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Well, AOC and WAR didn't turn out to be Vanguard killers
pencilrick
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Right? The big boy from Sony is still on the block.
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Vanguard killers? 0.o Lol, thats really evil sarcasm. (I hope)
Funniest thing I have read in so long my good man.
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WAR has over 700k subscribers
AOC has 400k
and last thing I read vanguard had somewhere over a 100k subscribers
so...not really sure what your getting at here.
WAR and AOC were playing ball with the big boy on the block "WoW" and Im pretty sure they were completely ignoring Vanguard.
Vanguard? never heard of it.
WAR has over 700k subscribers
AOC has 400k
and last thing I read vanguard had somewhere over a 100k subscribers
so...not really sure what your getting at here.
WAR and AOC were playing ball with the big boy on the block "WoW" and Im pretty sure they were completely ignoring Vanguard.
SHWOOOSH
It meant that war and aoc both wanted to rival wow, and they were to be the next big thing, but in truth they weren't even able to extinguish lesser games like vanguard.
how is this game doing? is it fun and all and can you group with ppl or is it dead?
Brad is that you?
Vanguard, huh?
That was the game I really didn't like because it was so empty, even when server populations were high, like at release, I ran into like 3 people out on the field in one session... In cities, there were like 10 people at an exchange guy... but thats it.
I need to have a lot of poeple around me when I am playing in a vast and empty world unless it is Fallout 3.
Vanguard killers?
Dude, AoC dispite its problems and WAR destroyed Vanguard. Over a year ago SOE put out that VG had something like 50k active users...Both AoC and WAR are in the hundreds of thousands.
Sony has no "big boy" games, they wrecked them all. What they have left are a bunch of half realized and half finished, empty server games.
Funny.
Puts into perspective all those WoW-killer sentiments though. MMOs don't kill MMOs, supply hasn't exceeded demand and interest. Thus all the homeless fans of the genre on these boards.
The funny thing to me is that Vanguard is a better game than either of the other two.
soe isnt an mmo company
its an mmo graveyard. soe has the touch of death from Innoruuk
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A MMO doesnt kill another MMO, it doesnt matter how the game really is, there will be always hardcore fans.
How many people is working in Vanguard today? How many servers are playable?
Vanguard is out of the block even for SOE´s standarts, Everquest 2 is the real SOE MMO, Vanguard is just like Matrix online and Planetside, even when I can agree it is a better game (than matrix and planetside, EQ2 still is a better pve game).
If you forget forums, you just cant compare Vanguard to Age of Conan, Warhammer, Guild Wars, FFXI, Lineage2... sure they all have less players than WoW, but all of them have at least one animator in their team, they will expand and they have more than just one playable server.
Vanguard is the major MMO failure, it is a bigger failure than Dark and Light, because Vanguard is a good game in its core, it is just (and this is sad) a stagnate MMO that will never expand or grow, just get minor updates to keep the extremely small playerbase... a good concept/creation when it is failure is a bigger failure than empty promisses like DnL and the upcoming Darkfall.
When people say, "ooh I can find groups in Vanguard", remember how many servers Vanguard has, and keep in mind, this usually happens in only one server.
Age of Conan and Warhammer will have expansions, they have marketing and more than 30x the population of Vanguard.
Oh, you think Vanguard is a better game? It doesnt matter, somepeople think Mapple Story is a better game, a lot of people think WoW is a better game...in the end wich game is better just doesnt make any difference, it is just a matter of taste, the reality is, Age of Conan and Warhammer doesnt need to kill Vanguard, they are just in another level.
Just a side note, when a game has Brad, SoE, a ridiculous small dev team and a hardcore community unable too realize the game issues and reality, there is absolute no need for another game to kill it, it is already in death process.
Just compare what was added to Vanguard in the last 2 years (forget about performance fixes) with what Age of Conan and Warhammer will get till the end of this year, also compare Vanguard updates with Everquest 2 updates and expansions... compare it with SWG (yes SWG) updates... are you sure any game still need to kill Vanguard?
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If this is sarcasm:
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I agree.
To bad they screwed up the launch.
The unforgivable sin of an MMORPG as we know all to well.
Vanguard is the best game out there right now. Had a bad start but its a great game now.
Yes, it will be breaking the two million mark pretty soon I think.
Brad is that you?
Its ironic coming from you. Lol look who is talking.
Well I did read a lot of post stating that: AoC will kill what remains of vanguard. War will kill what remains of vanguard. And vanguard should improve soon or it will die when AoC / War comes out. It's funny but AoC now is on life support too, and War looks like will end as a niche or life support game.
So the Op is right, none of them killed vanguard, of course vanguard is on life support too but they didnt kill it.
WAR has over 700k subscribers No it dont have them anymore, we dont have exact numbers but they are merging servers and we know a lot of people left it.
AOC has 400k No it dont have them anymore, we know this game has a lot less than 400k subs.
and last thing I read vanguard had somewhere over a 100k subscribers
so...not really sure what your getting at here.
WAR and AOC were playing ball with the big boy on the block "WoW" and Im pretty sure they were completely ignoring Vanguard.
By the way, of course Vanguard is the more dead game of the 3, but we are not talking about how well is doing each game, we are talking about this games were suposed to kill vanguard and they didnt. I think vanguard has his loyal fanbase that will stick with it till the end, some with AoC and War.
At least IMHO.
WAR has over 700k subscribers No it dont have them anymore, we dont have exact numbers but they are merging servers and we know a lot of people left it.
AOC has 400k No it dont have them anymore, we know this game has a lot less than 400k subs.
and last thing I read vanguard had somewhere over a 100k subscribers
so...not really sure what your getting at here.
WAR and AOC were playing ball with the big boy on the block "WoW" and Im pretty sure they were completely ignoring Vanguard.
By the way, of course Vanguard is the more dead game of the 3, but we are not talking about how well is doing each game, we are talking about this games were suposed to kill vanguard and they didnt. I think vanguard has his loyal fanbase that will stick with it till the end, some with AoC and War.
At least IMHO.
Vanguard may not be dead but being on life support is considered that it's alive and kicking to you?
Other game studios would just pull the plug because the cost of keeping it alive overshadows the small revenue that it brings in.
Uh what? WAR does not have 700K Subs.... More likely 350K. AoC is probably 300K. And I like both the games. Both of them sold quite a lot but dropped fast because they were released to early, hmmm sounds familiar, doesn't it?
All those 3 games could really be big if they had waited 6 more months before releasing them. Too bad, all 3 games are good.
But SOE will keep Vanguard alive even if it only would have 10K players, it is not really a big cost to them since they manage all their games together and they still get some cash in. If it would have more players we would have seen a lot more work on it however.
But there will not be a Vanguard killer, unless SOE do a lot of work the game will very slowly lose some players for the next 5 years until it drops so small that it is under 10K. Only Vanguard killer ever is SOE.
I am still wondering why Vanguard doeesn't have a free trial
VG servers are still open, who knew?
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