Now the financing arm of GM (General Motors) is getting theirs.
I keep hearing "socialism" when it comes to helping ordinary Americans achieve a more efficient, affordable, accessible, and less expensive health care system.
Honest to God (100% real me question): Why Does the Public Support Socialism for the Wealthy but not for Ordinary Americans? [I honestly want to know, and I honestly do not know.]
I am witnessing the beginning of a depression (some sectors are in a depression RIGHT NOW); Bankers got their bail-outs pre-and-post crash; and Ordinary Americans refuse to help themselves with tax reform; health care; or a stimulus package.
Honestly, why?
The public is literally transferring wealth from themselves to the banks and causing a depression in the process, and worried about "socialism" when it comes to helping them. Someone, please, and I mean it, help me understand that. Thank you in advance.
What got us here was accepting what YOU believe in. The public tends to be FOR the kind of socialism YOU seem to favor, and that has put the tools on place to ram the kind of socialism you are against down all our throats.
That is like blaming the victim, though, and you are right that the public did oppose it.
It is not a "bail-out" ... it is a "take-over"... or a robbery of YOUR government, your Treasury, your credit standing as a nation. It is red-level.
You are right, however, in saying the public did oppose.
The public, as an aggregate, is not more powerful than banking or finance industry.
People think nationalization of the financial sector means governmental control.
We have a, it is hard to conceptualize and explain, reverse socialism.
It is finance and bankers controlling government (literally, and I mean literally, bankers running the U.S. Treasury, leaving after four years, and returning to banking ... with trusts that have hundreds of millions of dollars of shares in commercial banks).
Now the financing arm of GM (General Motors) is getting theirs.
I keep hearing "socialism" when it comes to helping ordinary Americans achieve a more efficient, affordable, accessible, and less expensive health care system.
Honest to God (100% real me question): Why Does the Public Support Socialism for the Wealthy but not for Ordinary Americans? [I honestly want to know, and I honestly do not know.]
I am witnessing the beginning of a depression (some sectors are in a depression RIGHT NOW); Bankers got their bail-outs pre-and-post crash; and Ordinary Americans refuse to help themselves with tax reform; health care; or a stimulus package.
Honestly, why?
The public is literally transferring wealth from themselves to the banks and causing a depression in the process, and worried about "socialism" when it comes to helping them. Someone, please, and I mean it, help me understand that. Thank you in advance.
What got us here was accepting what YOU believe in. The public tends to be FOR the kind of socialism YOU seem to favor, and that has put the tools on place to ram the kind of socialism you are against down all our throats.
That is like blaming the victim, though, and you are right that the public did oppose it.
It is not a "bail-out" ... it is a "take-over"... or a robbery of YOUR government, your Treasury, your credit standing as a nation. It is red-level.
You are right, however, in saying the public did oppose.
The public, as an aggregate, is not more powerful than banking or finance industry.
People think nationalization of the financial sector means governmental control.
We have a, it is hard to conceptualize and explain, reverse socialism.
It is finance and bankers controlling government (literally, and I mean literally, bankers running the U.S. Treasury, leaving after four years, and returning to banking ... with trusts that have hundreds of millions of dollars of shares in commercial banks).
It's not blaming the victim, it is blaming weak philosophy. Time to advocate liberty, not socialism.
All socialism sells itself as a way to better the lives of the people, and all socialism ends up empowering an elite oligarchy. How many times do people have to see the same pattern before they realize it?
Well, the socialist government education systems used the world over certainy haven't helped there. When you look at the knowledge base people are atarting out with, it's easy to see how and why it happens in country after country.
All socialism sells itself as a way to better the lives of the people, and all socialism ends up empowering an elite oligarchy. How many times do people have to see the same pattern before they realize it?
I presume you are referring to the "corporate aristrocracy" or "corporate royalty" in which certain families own the shares of many corporations, often usually in the form of different class of shares, where one of their shares has a 1-to-10 vote to always maintain control? Ford family. Rockefellers, etc. The use of trusts. It is usually easiest for me to explain that by mentioning that Standard Oil was a trust, and it is why we have anti-trust laws and not anti-monopoly law.
Finance, defense contractors, oil families, pharmaceutical companies, and the timber industry, among others, will always get their way with the government. It will not, and it cannot, change. Do not even try to resist it or "vote it out." It is not going to happen.
The ordinary people, however, could have the government work them as well by achieving tax reform and having their taxes reduced; changing health care to improve its efficiencies, enhance its quality, and reduce its costs; and rebuild America through an infrastructure program.
You will not defeat corporate socialism by opposing health care reform.
Edit: I am not opposing corporate aristocracy, or how these same corporations are able to "zero-out" each year and not pay taxes. I am just saying, hey, let's help middle America. Let's put the government on their side too. Let's have big government for big corporations but help regular Americans, too.
I accept, and respect, the control banks and other special interests have over government.
Yes. I know it has gone too far and will lead to a world wide depression: (1) buying toxic assets and (2) giving-away free taxpayer money in a recession to those who hoard, literally, BILLIONS when we need a liquid capital market. Total crisis.
All socialism sells itself as a way to better the lives of the people, and all socialism ends up empowering an elite oligarchy. How many times do people have to see the same pattern before they realize it?
I presume you are referring to the "corporate aristrocracy" or "corporate royalty" in which certain families own the shares of many corporations, often usually in the form of different class of shares, where one of their shares has a 1-to-10 vote to always maintain control? Ford family. Rockefellers, etc. The use of trusts. It is usually easiest for me to explain that by mentioning that Standard Oil was a trust, and it is why we have anti-trust laws and not anti-monopoly law.
Finance, defense contractors, oil families, pharmaceutical companies, and the timber industry, among others, will always get their way with the government. It will not, and it cannot, change. Do not even try to resist it or "vote it out." It is not going to happen.
The ordinary people, however, could have the government work them as well by achieving tax reform and having their taxes reduced; changing health care to improve its efficiencies, enhance its quality, and reduce its costs; and rebuild America through an infrastructure program.
You will not defeat corporate socialism by opposing health care reform.
Edit: I am not opposing corporate aristocracy, or how these same corporations are able to "zero-out" each year and not pay taxes. I am just saying, hey, let's help middle America. Let's put the government on their side too. Let's have big government for big corporations but help regular Americans, too.
I accept, and respect, the control banks and other special interests have over government.
Yes. I know it has gone too far and will lead to a world wide depression: (1) buying toxic assets and (2) giving-away free taxpayer money in a recession to those who hoard, literally, BILLIONS when we need a liquid capital market. Total crisis.
But we can help ordinary people, too.
You oppose socialism by opposing it. You aid socialism, and oligarchy, by advocating it. It took you awhile to learn that the Republicans were not your friends; I imagine it'll take you equally long to learn the Democrats are even worse.
You oppose socialism by opposing it. You aid socialism, and oligarchy, by advocating it. It took you awhile to learn that the Republicans were not your friends; I imagine it'll take you equally long to learn the Democrats are even worse.
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie differently to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Tax reform
Health care reform
Rebuild the U.S.A.
Roads
Bridges
Highways
Airports
Seaports
Public work projects such as water filitration
Energy
Wind
Nuclear energy power
Hydro
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy by reslicing the pie;
You oppose socialism by opposing it. You aid socialism, and oligarchy, by advocating it. It took you awhile to learn that the Republicans were not your friends; I imagine it'll take you equally long to learn the Democrats are even worse.
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie different to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Tax reform
Health care reform
Rebuild the U.S.A.
Roads
Bridges
Highways
Airports
Seaports
Public work projects such as water filitration
Energy
Wind
Nuclear energy power
Hydro
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy;
Let's enlarge the pie.
There is no pie. That is not how economics works. There is an upwardly sloping, outwardly moving, spiral on a tilted axis.
Socialism is downhill on that axis, liberty is uphill. The choice is yours which you advocate. I understand these things sometimes take time to realize, but the intellectually honest eventually will get there. Just keep watching, keep learning. I have faith in you.
You oppose socialism by opposing it. You aid socialism, and oligarchy, by advocating it. It took you awhile to learn that the Republicans were not your friends; I imagine it'll take you equally long to learn the Democrats are even worse.
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie different to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Tax reform
Health care reform
Rebuild the U.S.A.
Roads
Bridges
Highways
Airports
Seaports
Public work projects such as water filitration
Energy
Wind
Nuclear energy power
Hydro
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy;
Let's enlarge the pie.
There is no pie. That is not how economics works. There is an upwardly sloping, outwardly moving, spiral on a tilted axis.
Socialism is downhill on that axis, liberty is uphill. The choice is yours which you advocate. I understand these things sometimes take time to realize, but the intellectually honest eventually will get there. Just keep watching, keep learning. I have faith in you.
I do understand economics, and I do understand scarcity.
But our policies is to devalue the U.S. currency. Fine. If that is the policy, fine.
But let's help the folks as well. The ordinary people are not the beneficiaries of central planning -it is apparent that the commercial banks, major insurers, auto, and other special interests are- and the could be through public works projects, tax reform, and health care changes.
Edit: I think we are on the brink of something devastating economically, and we will either realize that central planning does not work, or we will centralize planning even further.*
My hope, however, as we somehow help ordinary Americans as well.
*Unless something changes dramatically.
Banks are sitting on BILLIONS of free taxpayer money.
Why don't they give SOME of it to the auto industry as a loan.
It was free money anyway.
I mean, the U.S. Treasury (a former CEO of a investment, now reorganized as bank holding company) is sitting on billions and so are other commercial banks.
You oppose socialism by opposing it. You aid socialism, and oligarchy, by advocating it. It took you awhile to learn that the Republicans were not your friends; I imagine it'll take you equally long to learn the Democrats are even worse.
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie different to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Tax reform
Health care reform
Rebuild the U.S.A.
Roads
Bridges
Highways
Airports
Seaports
Public work projects such as water filitration
Energy
Wind
Nuclear energy power
Hydro
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy;
Let's enlarge the pie.
There is no pie. That is not how economics works. There is an upwardly sloping, outwardly moving, spiral on a tilted axis.
Socialism is downhill on that axis, liberty is uphill. The choice is yours which you advocate. I understand these things sometimes take time to realize, but the intellectually honest eventually will get there. Just keep watching, keep learning. I have faith in you.
I do understand economics, and I do understand scarcity.
But our policies is to devalue the U.S. currency. Fine. If that is the policy, fine.
But let's help the folks as well. The ordinary people are not the beneficiaries of central planning -it is apparent that the commercial banks, major insurers, auto, and other special interests are- and the could be through public works projects, tax reform, and health care changes.
Edit: I think we are on the brink of something devastating economically, and we will either realize that central planning does not work, or we will centralize planning even further.*
My hope, however, as we somehow help ordinary Americans as well.
*Unless something changes dramatically.
Banks are sitting on BILLIONS of free taxpayer money.
Why don't they give SOME of it to the auto industry as a loan.
It was free money anyway.
I mean, the U.S. Treasury (a former CEO of a investment, now reorganized as bank holding company) is sitting on billions and so are other commercial banks.
USE THE MONEY OR GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
That which you advocate will only make matters worse.
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What got us here was accepting what YOU believe in. The public tends to be FOR the kind of socialism YOU seem to favor, and that has put the tools on place to ram the kind of socialism you are against down all our throats.
That is like blaming the victim, though, and you are right that the public did oppose it.
It is not a "bail-out" ... it is a "take-over"... or a robbery of YOUR government, your Treasury, your credit standing as a nation. It is red-level.
You are right, however, in saying the public did oppose.
The public, as an aggregate, is not more powerful than banking or finance industry.
People think nationalization of the financial sector means governmental control.
We have a, it is hard to conceptualize and explain, reverse socialism.
It is finance and bankers controlling government (literally, and I mean literally, bankers running the U.S. Treasury, leaving after four years, and returning to banking ... with trusts that have hundreds of millions of dollars of shares in commercial banks).
What got us here was accepting what YOU believe in. The public tends to be FOR the kind of socialism YOU seem to favor, and that has put the tools on place to ram the kind of socialism you are against down all our throats.
That is like blaming the victim, though, and you are right that the public did oppose it.
It is not a "bail-out" ... it is a "take-over"... or a robbery of YOUR government, your Treasury, your credit standing as a nation. It is red-level.
You are right, however, in saying the public did oppose.
The public, as an aggregate, is not more powerful than banking or finance industry.
People think nationalization of the financial sector means governmental control.
We have a, it is hard to conceptualize and explain, reverse socialism.
It is finance and bankers controlling government (literally, and I mean literally, bankers running the U.S. Treasury, leaving after four years, and returning to banking ... with trusts that have hundreds of millions of dollars of shares in commercial banks).
It's not blaming the victim, it is blaming weak philosophy. Time to advocate liberty, not socialism.
fishermage.blogspot.com
All socialism sells itself as a way to better the lives of the people, and all socialism ends up empowering an elite oligarchy. How many times do people have to see the same pattern before they realize it?
Well, the socialist government education systems used the world over certainy haven't helped there. When you look at the knowledge base people are atarting out with, it's easy to see how and why it happens in country after country.
fishermage.blogspot.com
I presume you are referring to the "corporate aristrocracy" or "corporate royalty" in which certain families own the shares of many corporations, often usually in the form of different class of shares, where one of their shares has a 1-to-10 vote to always maintain control? Ford family. Rockefellers, etc. The use of trusts. It is usually easiest for me to explain that by mentioning that Standard Oil was a trust, and it is why we have anti-trust laws and not anti-monopoly law.
Finance, defense contractors, oil families, pharmaceutical companies, and the timber industry, among others, will always get their way with the government. It will not, and it cannot, change. Do not even try to resist it or "vote it out." It is not going to happen.
The ordinary people, however, could have the government work them as well by achieving tax reform and having their taxes reduced; changing health care to improve its efficiencies, enhance its quality, and reduce its costs; and rebuild America through an infrastructure program.
You will not defeat corporate socialism by opposing health care reform.
Edit: I am not opposing corporate aristocracy, or how these same corporations are able to "zero-out" each year and not pay taxes. I am just saying, hey, let's help middle America. Let's put the government on their side too. Let's have big government for big corporations but help regular Americans, too.
I accept, and respect, the control banks and other special interests have over government.
Yes. I know it has gone too far and will lead to a world wide depression: (1) buying toxic assets and (2) giving-away free taxpayer money in a recession to those who hoard, literally, BILLIONS when we need a liquid capital market. Total crisis.
But we can help ordinary people, too.
I presume you are referring to the "corporate aristrocracy" or "corporate royalty" in which certain families own the shares of many corporations, often usually in the form of different class of shares, where one of their shares has a 1-to-10 vote to always maintain control? Ford family. Rockefellers, etc. The use of trusts. It is usually easiest for me to explain that by mentioning that Standard Oil was a trust, and it is why we have anti-trust laws and not anti-monopoly law.
Finance, defense contractors, oil families, pharmaceutical companies, and the timber industry, among others, will always get their way with the government. It will not, and it cannot, change. Do not even try to resist it or "vote it out." It is not going to happen.
The ordinary people, however, could have the government work them as well by achieving tax reform and having their taxes reduced; changing health care to improve its efficiencies, enhance its quality, and reduce its costs; and rebuild America through an infrastructure program.
You will not defeat corporate socialism by opposing health care reform.
Edit: I am not opposing corporate aristocracy, or how these same corporations are able to "zero-out" each year and not pay taxes. I am just saying, hey, let's help middle America. Let's put the government on their side too. Let's have big government for big corporations but help regular Americans, too.
I accept, and respect, the control banks and other special interests have over government.
Yes. I know it has gone too far and will lead to a world wide depression: (1) buying toxic assets and (2) giving-away free taxpayer money in a recession to those who hoard, literally, BILLIONS when we need a liquid capital market. Total crisis.
But we can help ordinary people, too.
You oppose socialism by opposing it. You aid socialism, and oligarchy, by advocating it. It took you awhile to learn that the Republicans were not your friends; I imagine it'll take you equally long to learn the Democrats are even worse.
fishermage.blogspot.com
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie differently to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy by reslicing the pie;
Let's enlarge the pie.
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie different to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy;
Let's enlarge the pie.
There is no pie. That is not how economics works. There is an upwardly sloping, outwardly moving, spiral on a tilted axis.
Socialism is downhill on that axis, liberty is uphill. The choice is yours which you advocate. I understand these things sometimes take time to realize, but the intellectually honest eventually will get there. Just keep watching, keep learning. I have faith in you.
fishermage.blogspot.com
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie different to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy;
Let's enlarge the pie.
There is no pie. That is not how economics works. There is an upwardly sloping, outwardly moving, spiral on a tilted axis.
Socialism is downhill on that axis, liberty is uphill. The choice is yours which you advocate. I understand these things sometimes take time to realize, but the intellectually honest eventually will get there. Just keep watching, keep learning. I have faith in you.
I do understand economics, and I do understand scarcity.
But our policies is to devalue the U.S. currency. Fine. If that is the policy, fine.
But let's help the folks as well. The ordinary people are not the beneficiaries of central planning -it is apparent that the commercial banks, major insurers, auto, and other special interests are- and the could be through public works projects, tax reform, and health care changes.
Edit: I think we are on the brink of something devastating economically, and we will either realize that central planning does not work, or we will centralize planning even further.*
My hope, however, as we somehow help ordinary Americans as well.
*Unless something changes dramatically.
Banks are sitting on BILLIONS of free taxpayer money.
Why don't they give SOME of it to the auto industry as a loan.
It was free money anyway.
I mean, the U.S. Treasury (a former CEO of a investment, now reorganized as bank holding company) is sitting on billions and so are other commercial banks.
USE THE MONEY OR GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
I am saying there is a pie.
And instead of cutting the pie different to reduce subsidies to corporate farmers, let's enlarge the pie.
Let's reach a compromise where we will continue to support defense, ethanol subsidized energy/food policies, but help ordinary people as well:
Let's not take from corporate America or the wealthy;
Let's enlarge the pie.
There is no pie. That is not how economics works. There is an upwardly sloping, outwardly moving, spiral on a tilted axis.
Socialism is downhill on that axis, liberty is uphill. The choice is yours which you advocate. I understand these things sometimes take time to realize, but the intellectually honest eventually will get there. Just keep watching, keep learning. I have faith in you.
I do understand economics, and I do understand scarcity.
But our policies is to devalue the U.S. currency. Fine. If that is the policy, fine.
But let's help the folks as well. The ordinary people are not the beneficiaries of central planning -it is apparent that the commercial banks, major insurers, auto, and other special interests are- and the could be through public works projects, tax reform, and health care changes.
Edit: I think we are on the brink of something devastating economically, and we will either realize that central planning does not work, or we will centralize planning even further.*
My hope, however, as we somehow help ordinary Americans as well.
*Unless something changes dramatically.
Banks are sitting on BILLIONS of free taxpayer money.
Why don't they give SOME of it to the auto industry as a loan.
It was free money anyway.
I mean, the U.S. Treasury (a former CEO of a investment, now reorganized as bank holding company) is sitting on billions and so are other commercial banks.
USE THE MONEY OR GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
That which you advocate will only make matters worse.
fishermage.blogspot.com