to follow across Straglthorn Vale, repeatedly kill, and corpse camp one player 30 levels lower than them for the better part of an hour, even to the point of sneaking into Grom Gol base camp and hiding out for the kill, then sprinting or vanishing only to return and wait some more? Does the fact that he's free to gank all the lowbies because every other high level is out leveling to 80 give him pleasure? I remember ganking noobs on my old account... it got boring after like the second one, even when the 70s showed up and put on a decent fight. How does someone enjoy doing this so much that they keep going and going and going? I... I just can't comprehend it...
1) This is entirely your fault. If this bothers you enough to post you should have never rolled on a PvP server.
2) If you were being camped, instead of whining about it, log onto another toon and play for 30 min or so, or until the ganker leaves. Again, instead of being a whiney-ass take care of the problem yourself and don't keep rezing.
3) It's only going to get worse, so get to a PVE server ASAP.
I usually find these types are kids releasing the frustration of being beaten up at school. Let him have his little power trip and log for a while. He will get bored and seek power else where like joining the police force or something.
1) This is entirely your fault. If this bothers you enough to post you should have never rolled on a PvP server. 2) If you were being camped, instead of whining about it, log onto another toon and play for 30 min or so, or until the ganker leaves. Again, instead of being a whiney-ass take care of the problem yourself and don't keep rezing. 3) It's only going to get worse, so get to a PVE server ASAP.
Who pissed in your coffee? I wasn't whining, I was starting a discussion. I was making a point that that was the worst instance of griefing I've come across yet... and as of my original post it has not gotten worse, contrary to your statement, instead has improved as more of the people who didn't get Wrath on opening night are now out of the lower zones. So I ask, how is some kid with an inferiority complex that takes out his feelings of inadequacy my fault? Let me guess: "wtf why aren't you level 70" or "you totally provoked him by waiting ten minutes between rezzes" which one is it? Go spew your hate somewhere else.
1) This is entirely your fault. If this bothers you enough to post you should have never rolled on a PvP server. 2) If you were being camped, instead of whining about it, log onto another toon and play for 30 min or so, or until the ganker leaves. Again, instead of being a whiney-ass take care of the problem yourself and don't keep rezing. 3) It's only going to get worse, so get to a PVE server ASAP.
Who pissed in your coffee? I wasn't whining, I was starting a discussion. I was making a point that that was the worst instance of griefing I've come across yet... and as of my original post it has not gotten worse, contrary to your statement, instead has improved as more of the people who didn't get Wrath on opening night are now out of the lower zones. So I ask, how is some kid with an inferiority complex that takes out his feelings of inadequacy my fault? Let me guess: "wtf why aren't you level 70" or "you totally provoked him by waiting ten minutes between rezzes" which one is it? Go spew your hate somewhere else.
You made it the "worst instance of griefing I've come across yet.." by continuing to spawn and give him the chance to gank you. No one is responsible for that but you. And yes, by posting here you are in fact whining like a baby. PvP is not for you. Go roll PVE.
How will it get worse? As an experienced PvP player I will save you the frustration and tell you that this minor incident is nothing compared to how really bad it can get. Some can handle it and some can't. You, sir, fit the later. Save yourself some pain and roll PvE. Maybe someday you will have thick enough skin to handle PvP, [Doubt it!], until then go play on a PvE server where you will not have to worry about such things.
You made it the "worst instance of griefing I've come across yet.." by continuing to spawn and give him the chance to gank you. No one is responsible for that but you. And yes, by posting here you are in fact whining like a baby. PvP is not for you. Go roll PVE. How will it get worse? As an experienced PvP player I will save you the frustration and tell you that this minor incident is nothing compared to how really bad it can get. Some can handle it and some can't. You, sir, fit the later. Save yourself some pain and roll PvE. Maybe someday you will have thick enough skin to handle PvP, [Doubt it!], until then go play on a PvE server where you will not have to worry about such things.
Look here, son, I've been playing WoW on PvP servers since it first rolled out four years ago. I think I know the difference between PvP and blatant griefing, but it's pretty obvious that you don't. In fact it would appear you're not much more than an arrogant adolescent who gets off on trying to make other people look bad. Your logic is skewed, perhaps because you are one of those kids discussed in this thread who got bullied at school or sucks at PvP against equal opponents. But hey, when a bank gets robbed, it really is their fault for unlocking the door during business hours, and when a woman gets raped, well shit, she probably shouldn'ta worn that short skirt out in public. Am I right? Hell no, but that's approximately how ridiculous you're coming across by saying it's my fault for respawning. But that's OK, next time I'll wait half an hour like you suggested instead of the 15 minutes that I did. I'm sure that's all the difference right there.
What's an "experienced PvP player" even mean in your mind? You've racked up XX amount of kills, by grinding battlegrounds 14 hours a day? You've achieved XX arena ranking? You have your guildies come out and curbstomp whoever defeats you in world PvP? Congratulations, that don't earn you respect. Treating others with a little decency and dignity might though, you should try it rather than name-calling. If you can't participate in a discussion without putting on the better-than-you attitude just stay out next time. Seriously. If this thread bothers you so much that you can't reply without coming off like an insolent asshat, the back button on your browser will make you a lot more friends than the "Reply" button on the page (or at least lose you less).
You made it the "worst instance of griefing I've come across yet.." by continuing to spawn and give him the chance to gank you. No one is responsible for that but you. And yes, by posting here you are in fact whining like a baby. PvP is not for you. Go roll PVE. How will it get worse? As an experienced PvP player I will save you the frustration and tell you that this minor incident is nothing compared to how really bad it can get. Some can handle it and some can't. You, sir, fit the later. Save yourself some pain and roll PvE. Maybe someday you will have thick enough skin to handle PvP, [Doubt it!], until then go play on a PvE server where you will not have to worry about such things.
Look here, son, I've been playing WoW on PvP servers since it first rolled out four years ago. I think I know the difference between PvP and blatant griefing, but it's pretty obvious that you don't. In fact it would appear you're not much more than an arrogant adolescent who gets off on trying to make other people look bad. Your logic is skewed, perhaps because you are one of those kids discussed in this thread who got bullied at school or sucks at PvP against equal opponents. But hey, when a bank gets robbed, it really is their fault for unlocking the door during business hours, and when a woman gets raped, well shit, she probably shouldn'ta worn that short skirt out in public. Am I right? Hell no, but that's approximately how ridiculous you're coming across by saying it's my fault for respawning. But that's OK, next time I'll wait half an hour like you suggested instead of the 15 minutes that I did. I'm sure that's all the difference right there.
What's an "experienced PvP player" even mean in your mind? You've racked up XX amount of kills, by grinding battlegrounds 14 hours a day? You've achieved XX arena ranking? You have your guildies come out and curbstomp whoever defeats you in world PvP? Congratulations, that don't earn you respect. Treating others with a little decency and dignity might though, you should try it rather than name-calling. If you can't participate in a discussion without putting on the better-than-you attitude just stay out next time. Seriously. If this thread bothers you so much that you can't reply without coming off like an insolent asshat, the back button on your browser will make you a lot more friends than the "Reply" button on the page (or at least lose you less).
Comparing being ganked in WoW to real-life crime is idiotic. If you think what the ganker did to you was comparable to someone raping or robbing, go seek some counseling.
You rolled PvP, expect to get ganked. We need more gankers in WoW to weed out the whiners and send them back to the PvE servers they came from.
An "experienced PvP player" can mean many things, but they all share one common qaulity: they don't whine when they get ganked. They pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and move on. You repeatedly respawned while someone was camping you. You have no-one to blame but yourself for continuing to give him the opportunity to gank. There are far too many non-pvpers rolling on PvP servers and expecting things to be how they think it should be.
I wasn't saying ganking in a video game is comparable to RL crime, merely using it to illustrate a point (read: metaphor). I think you've got an issue where you can't tell the difference between ganking and griefing. Like I've said before, and I'll say it again, I know what PvP is about. I know what to expect on a PvP server. I don't have a problem with occasionally getting one-shotted by some passing chump with nothing better to do with their time, or even corpse camped a bit, that's part of the game. However Blizzard did not intend for the PvP system to be abused in this way. Contrary to what you may think, I didn't start this thread to seek sympathy, merely to discuss, debate, and perhaps eventually understand why people do this. Now I'm done arguing with you... feel free to contribute to the discussion if you have something worth contributing, other than "quit QQing and reroll PvE."
My guess is it's probably someone who's just bored and getting off on ruining someone else's fun. And yes I say "ruining" knowing full well that it's a PvP server and that PKing happens. Personally (and maybe it's just me, and possibly the OP), I think there's a difference between killing other players, and camping someone over and over to gank them because you 1. Have nothing better to do, or 2. Can't fight anyone your own level so you take it out on someone else. That's not a QQ, that's stating an opinion. True, that's to be expected on that type of server, but it is infact interesting to try and understand the mindset behind that. I've killed my share of low level players, but it's usually only after they have attacked an NPC (and therefore alerted me to their presence), or are running through my zone. I kill them and let them be. Unless of course they continue to attack a town, and then as long as they are there I consider them fair game.
However, that's not the same as following someone across an entire zone, killing them repeatedly, camping them, etc. And when someone posts something wondering if others are curious about the mindset of these people, what kind of answer is telling them that THEY were responsible because they actually respawned? Why should he have to stop playing his game because of a jerk? I probably would've either jumped on another toon, or left to grind somewhere else, but to say that it's someone's fault because they continued to play their game? Seriously, what kind of response is that?
------------------------------------------------------------ You can't win - if you strike me down I shall respawn more powerful than you could possibly imagine!
Your metaphor was a terrible one. RL actions have nothing to do with WoW actions.
Again, you are the one confused. Was the player that camped you being an ass? For sure. That being said, maybe he had his reasons. And for whatever reason he may or may not have had, the PvP system was not abused in any way.
Right off Blizzards website:
Actions that would typically be considered "dishonorable" are considered legitimate PvP tactics and will not be addressed by our Game Master (GM) staff. "Dishonorable" actions include, but are not limited to:
* Corpse camping.
* Tricking players into getting flagged for PvP (i.e. jumping in the middle of another player's area effect spell).
* Killing players well below your level.
Ongoing Harassment
The Ongoing Harassment policy does not apply when there is a PvP resolution available, as physical confrontations are considered a facet of PvP combat and players in opposing factions are unable to communicate verbally. Characters have the ability to address their conflicts through combat.
The PvP system was used exactly as intended. It is people like yourself, with their own ideas about how PvP should be played, that have no business rolling on a PvP server. You did not have to keep respawning. You could have easily took care of the situation and logged out or onto another character.
I don't believe the OP is complaining about the PvP system, and once again, why is the answer to being ganked to log out? Why does he have to quit having his fun because of some moron? I'm not saying the answer is contacting a GM, but I don't think he should have to stop playing the game because of someone else. The OP is also not QQing about being ganked, they are simply asking:
What makes people run across an entire zone, ganking someone over and over that is 30 levels beneath them? He is curious about the mindset of these people, and frankly I am as well.
------------------------------------------------------------ You can't win - if you strike me down I shall respawn more powerful than you could possibly imagine!
Your metaphor was a terrible one. RL actions have nothing to do with WoW actions.
Perhaps this will help:
met⋅a⋅phor /?m?t??f?r, -f?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
Once you understand the meaning of the word metaphor, I think it will become clear...but I may be overestimating you.
However, that's not the same as following someone across an entire zone, killing them repeatedly, camping them, etc. And when someone posts something wondering if others are curious about the mindset of these people, what kind of answer is telling them that THEY were responsible because they actually respawned? Why should he have to stop playing his game because of a jerk? I probably would've either jumped on another toon, or left to grind somewhere else, but to say that it's someone's fault because they continued to play their game? Seriously, what kind of response is that?
You would have jumped on another toon or left. You would have taken control of the situation in the only way possible. The OP could have done the same thing. Instead he continually respawned into the same situation, then comes here crying that the PvP system was "abused". It wasn't his fault that someone camped him, but it sure as hell was his fault for continuing to respawn.
Why should he have to stop playing "his" game because of a "jerk"? Well first off it is not "his" game. Second, open PvP is part of being on a PvP server. If he can't handle getting ganked, even repeatedly ganked, then PvP is not "his" game. There are PvE servers for him that will allow him the freedom to play "his" game unhindered.
Your metaphor was a terrible one. RL actions have nothing to do with WoW actions.
Perhaps this will help:
met⋅a⋅phor /?m?t??f?r, -f?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
Once you understand the meaning of the word metaphor, I think it will become clear...but I may be overestimating you.
Thanks for clarifying my point: it was a terrible metaphor. Do yourself a favor, and go take some reading comprehension classes so that maybe you can understand more complex ideas instead of quoting from a dictionary, you imbecile.
I don't believe the OP is complaining about the PvP system, and once again, why is the answer to being ganked to log out? Why does he have to quit having his fun because of some moron? I'm not saying the answer is contacting a GM, but I don't think he should have to stop playing the game because of someone else. The OP is also not QQing about being ganked, they are simply asking: What makes people run across an entire zone, ganking someone over and over that is 30 levels beneath them? He is curious about the mindset of these people, and frankly I am as well.
Really? The OP's own words: However Blizzard did not intend for the PvP system to be abused in this way. If that's not complaining about the PvP system, then what is?
For some people, it's thrilling and fun. It's like hunting in real life. Something that I also do not understand, but equally as boring and pointless in my opinion.
its hardly a hunt. i only ever find that fun if they have somewhat of an equal chance (i jump them to improve me chances). i remember stalking a few jerks on my assassin(AoC, when i still played it) after watching them gank someone else. they put up good fights but when an assassin gets the jump on you its difficult to recover. Aside from that i never ganked anyone as i found it useless and boring.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Your metaphor was a terrible one. RL actions have nothing to do with WoW actions.
Perhaps this will help:
met⋅a⋅phor /?m?t??f?r, -f?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
Once you understand the meaning of the word metaphor, I think it will become clear...but I may be overestimating you.
Thanks for clarifying my point: it was a terrible metaphor. Do yourself a favor, and go take some reading comprehension classes so that maybe you can understand more complex ideas instead of quoting from a dictionary, you imbecile.
I see. So while you comparing AoC's popularity with McDonalds is a perfectly good metaphor, comparing griefing with bank robbing is a terrible metaphor? Please explain.
to follow across Straglthorn Vale, repeatedly kill, and corpse camp one player 30 levels lower than them for the better part of an hour, even to the point of sneaking into Grom Gol base camp and hiding out for the kill, then sprinting or vanishing only to return and wait some more? Does the fact that he's free to gank all the lowbies because every other high level is out leveling to 80 give him pleasure? I remember ganking noobs on my old account... it got boring after like the second one, even when the 70s showed up and put on a decent fight. How does someone enjoy doing this so much that they keep going and going and going? I... I just can't comprehend it...
If you rolled on a PvP server, than you should have been prepared for this. I don't complain when it happens to me, but if I'm camped to the point of frustration I'll log onto another toon and/or another server. Everyone who rolls on a PvP server knows what they're getting into, that's why we have other server types to choose from.
I've been thinking about it and I actually think robbing a bank and griefing is a pretty good metaphor. Let's examine it a bit more closely, shall we?
Is someone robbing a bank really hurting anyone directly? No one gets hurt right? If the bank is federally insured, the people are gonna get their money back, so no one's really hurt. Perhaps the bank's reputation is tarnished a bit, but there's no direct harm. What about griefing? Does anyone really get hurt? Perhaps the griefee is somewhat miffed about being griefed, but they are not directly harmed are they?
And what is gained by the robber/griefer? In the case of the bank robber, they get a little cash which they can use for quite a number of things and the satisfaction of knowing they got away with something. For the griefer, what exactly does he get? The satisfaction of having griefed someone and knowing they got away with something. Anything else? I can't think of anything off hand.
What prevents people from robbing banks anyway? The thought of being caught and punished for the most part. If you think it's because it's immoral, well then ask yourself this question, if you were 100% certain that you could get away with robbing a bank, would you? I think most of us would at least be tempted. Sure, we might feel a little guilt over doing it (perhaps a lot), but we could probably live with it, couldn't we?
What about griefing? What prevents people from griefing? Well pretty much nothing but are own morality. If we think it's perfectly acceptable, then there's not much else stopping us is there? Sure we might have a little guilt over doing it, but we could probably live with that, couldn't we? Or could we?
Personally I'd have a harder time griefing somebody than robbing a bank even if I felt 100% sure that I wouldn't get punished. Why? Because the reward is better. What do I get out of robbing a bank? The money!!!! That's a pretty big incentive for me. But what about griefing? All you really get out of it is the satisfaction of having done something and gotten away with it. Personally, that's not that big of an incentive for me, but for some people I suspect it's a bit different. For some I believe the satisfaction of having done something they know they shouldn't and getting away with it is quite a powerful incentive. One they just can't resist.
So to try to answer the OP's question, I think it has something to do with the urge to do something that you know you probably shouldn't and getting away with it. For some people, this is a pretty powerful urge while others don't necessarily feel that big of urge. Why some people are like this and some aren't is a tougher question. Could be any one of a million reasons I guess so I won't attempt an answer for that.
There. You still think it's a terrible metaphor Ackmhed? I actually think it's a pretty good one.
And when someone posts something wondering if others are curious about the mindset of these people, what kind of answer is telling them that THEY were responsible because they actually respawned? Why should he have to stop playing his game because of a jerk? I probably would've either jumped on another toon, or left to grind somewhere else, but to say that it's someone's fault because they continued to play their game? Seriously, what kind of response is that?
Thank you. I guess there's no explaining things to some people, especially when they've got a superiority mindset...
Yup, yet another hardcore pvper fitting the stereotype.
Just keep chanting that "suck it up or leave" thing you have going there.
Exactly my point. If you can't handle it, leave. There are PvE servers for people who don't like or can't handle world PvP. If you consider that "hate and general nastyness" then you certainly have no business on a PvP server.
And when someone posts something wondering if others are curious about the mindset of these people, what kind of answer is telling them that THEY were responsible because they actually respawned? Why should he have to stop playing his game because of a jerk? I probably would've either jumped on another toon, or left to grind somewhere else, but to say that it's someone's fault because they continued to play their game? Seriously, what kind of response is that?
Thank you. I guess there's no explaining things to some people, especially when they've got a superiority mindset...
So if you think it is your right to be able to play the game anyway you want, with no chance of a player 30 levels higher than you camping you, then why on earth did you roll on a PvP server? Or did you just not realize the rule-set?
Just say "since killing me in one or two hits is so fun for you, ill leave my character logged in, afk, while I go have sex with my wife-- I've been neglecting her a bit too long, anyway."...
Trust me. Saying something like that would hurt him far more than he is annoying you.
So if you think it is your right to be able to play the game anyway you want, with no chance of a player 30 levels higher than you camping you, then why on earth did you roll on a PvP server? Or did you just not realize the rule-set?
No. How many times does it have to be explained to you? I was starting a discussion about WHY someone would do that. Okay? Not complaining that it happened. Read the post and try, please try, to comprehend. Were you dropped on your head as a child? How many more times is it gonna take before you figure it out? It's not a difficult concept... really, it isn't. Dear God I feel sorry for your schoolteachers...
Just say "since killing me in one or two hits is so fun for you, ill leave my character logged in, afk, while I go have sex with my wife-- I've been neglecting her a bit too long, anyway."...
Trust me. Saying something like that would hurt him far more than he is annoying you.
You can not talk or communicate with the opposing side in Wow. I recently got ganked on my DK by a couple of peeps. I brought my S3 / S4 mage & a couple of friends for revenge (damm you S4 shoulders). They logged after we ganked them for at least a solid thirty minutes.
Pvp happens on a pvp server. Look at your opponets guild before ganking is highly recomended thou.
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1) This is entirely your fault. If this bothers you enough to post you should have never rolled on a PvP server.
2) If you were being camped, instead of whining about it, log onto another toon and play for 30 min or so, or until the ganker leaves. Again, instead of being a whiney-ass take care of the problem yourself and don't keep rezing.
3) It's only going to get worse, so get to a PVE server ASAP.
I usually find these types are kids releasing the frustration of being beaten up at school. Let him have his little power trip and log for a while. He will get bored and seek power else where like joining the police force or something.
Who pissed in your coffee? I wasn't whining, I was starting a discussion. I was making a point that that was the worst instance of griefing I've come across yet... and as of my original post it has not gotten worse, contrary to your statement, instead has improved as more of the people who didn't get Wrath on opening night are now out of the lower zones. So I ask, how is some kid with an inferiority complex that takes out his feelings of inadequacy my fault? Let me guess: "wtf why aren't you level 70" or "you totally provoked him by waiting ten minutes between rezzes" which one is it? Go spew your hate somewhere else.
Who pissed in your coffee? I wasn't whining, I was starting a discussion. I was making a point that that was the worst instance of griefing I've come across yet... and as of my original post it has not gotten worse, contrary to your statement, instead has improved as more of the people who didn't get Wrath on opening night are now out of the lower zones. So I ask, how is some kid with an inferiority complex that takes out his feelings of inadequacy my fault? Let me guess: "wtf why aren't you level 70" or "you totally provoked him by waiting ten minutes between rezzes" which one is it? Go spew your hate somewhere else.
You made it the "worst instance of griefing I've come across yet.." by continuing to spawn and give him the chance to gank you. No one is responsible for that but you. And yes, by posting here you are in fact whining like a baby. PvP is not for you. Go roll PVE.
How will it get worse? As an experienced PvP player I will save you the frustration and tell you that this minor incident is nothing compared to how really bad it can get. Some can handle it and some can't. You, sir, fit the later. Save yourself some pain and roll PvE. Maybe someday you will have thick enough skin to handle PvP, [Doubt it!], until then go play on a PvE server where you will not have to worry about such things.
Look here, son, I've been playing WoW on PvP servers since it first rolled out four years ago. I think I know the difference between PvP and blatant griefing, but it's pretty obvious that you don't. In fact it would appear you're not much more than an arrogant adolescent who gets off on trying to make other people look bad. Your logic is skewed, perhaps because you are one of those kids discussed in this thread who got bullied at school or sucks at PvP against equal opponents. But hey, when a bank gets robbed, it really is their fault for unlocking the door during business hours, and when a woman gets raped, well shit, she probably shouldn'ta worn that short skirt out in public. Am I right? Hell no, but that's approximately how ridiculous you're coming across by saying it's my fault for respawning. But that's OK, next time I'll wait half an hour like you suggested instead of the 15 minutes that I did. I'm sure that's all the difference right there.
What's an "experienced PvP player" even mean in your mind? You've racked up XX amount of kills, by grinding battlegrounds 14 hours a day? You've achieved XX arena ranking? You have your guildies come out and curbstomp whoever defeats you in world PvP? Congratulations, that don't earn you respect. Treating others with a little decency and dignity might though, you should try it rather than name-calling. If you can't participate in a discussion without putting on the better-than-you attitude just stay out next time. Seriously. If this thread bothers you so much that you can't reply without coming off like an insolent asshat, the back button on your browser will make you a lot more friends than the "Reply" button on the page (or at least lose you less).
Look here, son, I've been playing WoW on PvP servers since it first rolled out four years ago. I think I know the difference between PvP and blatant griefing, but it's pretty obvious that you don't. In fact it would appear you're not much more than an arrogant adolescent who gets off on trying to make other people look bad. Your logic is skewed, perhaps because you are one of those kids discussed in this thread who got bullied at school or sucks at PvP against equal opponents. But hey, when a bank gets robbed, it really is their fault for unlocking the door during business hours, and when a woman gets raped, well shit, she probably shouldn'ta worn that short skirt out in public. Am I right? Hell no, but that's approximately how ridiculous you're coming across by saying it's my fault for respawning. But that's OK, next time I'll wait half an hour like you suggested instead of the 15 minutes that I did. I'm sure that's all the difference right there.
What's an "experienced PvP player" even mean in your mind? You've racked up XX amount of kills, by grinding battlegrounds 14 hours a day? You've achieved XX arena ranking? You have your guildies come out and curbstomp whoever defeats you in world PvP? Congratulations, that don't earn you respect. Treating others with a little decency and dignity might though, you should try it rather than name-calling. If you can't participate in a discussion without putting on the better-than-you attitude just stay out next time. Seriously. If this thread bothers you so much that you can't reply without coming off like an insolent asshat, the back button on your browser will make you a lot more friends than the "Reply" button on the page (or at least lose you less).
Comparing being ganked in WoW to real-life crime is idiotic. If you think what the ganker did to you was comparable to someone raping or robbing, go seek some counseling.
You rolled PvP, expect to get ganked. We need more gankers in WoW to weed out the whiners and send them back to the PvE servers they came from.
An "experienced PvP player" can mean many things, but they all share one common qaulity: they don't whine when they get ganked. They pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and move on. You repeatedly respawned while someone was camping you. You have no-one to blame but yourself for continuing to give him the opportunity to gank. There are far too many non-pvpers rolling on PvP servers and expecting things to be how they think it should be.
/sigh
I wasn't saying ganking in a video game is comparable to RL crime, merely using it to illustrate a point (read: metaphor). I think you've got an issue where you can't tell the difference between ganking and griefing. Like I've said before, and I'll say it again, I know what PvP is about. I know what to expect on a PvP server. I don't have a problem with occasionally getting one-shotted by some passing chump with nothing better to do with their time, or even corpse camped a bit, that's part of the game. However Blizzard did not intend for the PvP system to be abused in this way. Contrary to what you may think, I didn't start this thread to seek sympathy, merely to discuss, debate, and perhaps eventually understand why people do this. Now I'm done arguing with you... feel free to contribute to the discussion if you have something worth contributing, other than "quit QQing and reroll PvE."
My guess is it's probably someone who's just bored and getting off on ruining someone else's fun. And yes I say "ruining" knowing full well that it's a PvP server and that PKing happens. Personally (and maybe it's just me, and possibly the OP), I think there's a difference between killing other players, and camping someone over and over to gank them because you 1. Have nothing better to do, or 2. Can't fight anyone your own level so you take it out on someone else. That's not a QQ, that's stating an opinion. True, that's to be expected on that type of server, but it is infact interesting to try and understand the mindset behind that. I've killed my share of low level players, but it's usually only after they have attacked an NPC (and therefore alerted me to their presence), or are running through my zone. I kill them and let them be. Unless of course they continue to attack a town, and then as long as they are there I consider them fair game.
However, that's not the same as following someone across an entire zone, killing them repeatedly, camping them, etc. And when someone posts something wondering if others are curious about the mindset of these people, what kind of answer is telling them that THEY were responsible because they actually respawned? Why should he have to stop playing his game because of a jerk? I probably would've either jumped on another toon, or left to grind somewhere else, but to say that it's someone's fault because they continued to play their game? Seriously, what kind of response is that?
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You can't win - if you strike me down I shall respawn more powerful than you could possibly imagine!
Your metaphor was a terrible one. RL actions have nothing to do with WoW actions.
Again, you are the one confused. Was the player that camped you being an ass? For sure. That being said, maybe he had his reasons. And for whatever reason he may or may not have had, the PvP system was not abused in any way.
Right off Blizzards website:
Actions that would typically be considered "dishonorable" are considered legitimate PvP tactics and will not be addressed by our Game Master (GM) staff. "Dishonorable" actions include, but are not limited to:
* Corpse camping.
* Tricking players into getting flagged for PvP (i.e. jumping in the middle of another player's area effect spell).
* Killing players well below your level.
Ongoing Harassment
The Ongoing Harassment policy does not apply when there is a PvP resolution available, as physical confrontations are considered a facet of PvP combat and players in opposing factions are unable to communicate verbally. Characters have the ability to address their conflicts through combat.
The PvP system was used exactly as intended. It is people like yourself, with their own ideas about how PvP should be played, that have no business rolling on a PvP server. You did not have to keep respawning. You could have easily took care of the situation and logged out or onto another character.
I don't believe the OP is complaining about the PvP system, and once again, why is the answer to being ganked to log out? Why does he have to quit having his fun because of some moron? I'm not saying the answer is contacting a GM, but I don't think he should have to stop playing the game because of someone else. The OP is also not QQing about being ganked, they are simply asking:
What makes people run across an entire zone, ganking someone over and over that is 30 levels beneath them? He is curious about the mindset of these people, and frankly I am as well.
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You can't win - if you strike me down I shall respawn more powerful than you could possibly imagine!
Perhaps this will help:
met⋅a⋅phor /?m?t??f?r, -f?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
Once you understand the meaning of the word metaphor, I think it will become clear...but I may be overestimating you.
You would have jumped on another toon or left. You would have taken control of the situation in the only way possible. The OP could have done the same thing. Instead he continually respawned into the same situation, then comes here crying that the PvP system was "abused". It wasn't his fault that someone camped him, but it sure as hell was his fault for continuing to respawn.
Why should he have to stop playing "his" game because of a "jerk"? Well first off it is not "his" game. Second, open PvP is part of being on a PvP server. If he can't handle getting ganked, even repeatedly ganked, then PvP is not "his" game. There are PvE servers for him that will allow him the freedom to play "his" game unhindered.
Perhaps this will help:
met⋅a⋅phor /?m?t??f?r, -f?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
Once you understand the meaning of the word metaphor, I think it will become clear...but I may be overestimating you.
Thanks for clarifying my point: it was a terrible metaphor. Do yourself a favor, and go take some reading comprehension classes so that maybe you can understand more complex ideas instead of quoting from a dictionary, you imbecile.
Really? The OP's own words: However Blizzard did not intend for the PvP system to be abused in this way. If that's not complaining about the PvP system, then what is?
its hardly a hunt. i only ever find that fun if they have somewhat of an equal chance (i jump them to improve me chances). i remember stalking a few jerks on my assassin(AoC, when i still played it) after watching them gank someone else. they put up good fights but when an assassin gets the jump on you its difficult to recover. Aside from that i never ganked anyone as i found it useless and boring.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Perhaps this will help:
met⋅a⋅phor /?m?t??f?r, -f?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
Once you understand the meaning of the word metaphor, I think it will become clear...but I may be overestimating you.
Thanks for clarifying my point: it was a terrible metaphor. Do yourself a favor, and go take some reading comprehension classes so that maybe you can understand more complex ideas instead of quoting from a dictionary, you imbecile.
I see. So while you comparing AoC's popularity with McDonalds is a perfectly good metaphor, comparing griefing with bank robbing is a terrible metaphor? Please explain.
Yup, yet another hardcore pvper fitting the stereotype.
Just keep chanting that "suck it up or leave" thing you have going there.
If you rolled on a PvP server, than you should have been prepared for this. I don't complain when it happens to me, but if I'm camped to the point of frustration I'll log onto another toon and/or another server. Everyone who rolls on a PvP server knows what they're getting into, that's why we have other server types to choose from.
I've been thinking about it and I actually think robbing a bank and griefing is a pretty good metaphor. Let's examine it a bit more closely, shall we?
Is someone robbing a bank really hurting anyone directly? No one gets hurt right? If the bank is federally insured, the people are gonna get their money back, so no one's really hurt. Perhaps the bank's reputation is tarnished a bit, but there's no direct harm. What about griefing? Does anyone really get hurt? Perhaps the griefee is somewhat miffed about being griefed, but they are not directly harmed are they?
And what is gained by the robber/griefer? In the case of the bank robber, they get a little cash which they can use for quite a number of things and the satisfaction of knowing they got away with something. For the griefer, what exactly does he get? The satisfaction of having griefed someone and knowing they got away with something. Anything else? I can't think of anything off hand.
What prevents people from robbing banks anyway? The thought of being caught and punished for the most part. If you think it's because it's immoral, well then ask yourself this question, if you were 100% certain that you could get away with robbing a bank, would you? I think most of us would at least be tempted. Sure, we might feel a little guilt over doing it (perhaps a lot), but we could probably live with it, couldn't we?
What about griefing? What prevents people from griefing? Well pretty much nothing but are own morality. If we think it's perfectly acceptable, then there's not much else stopping us is there? Sure we might have a little guilt over doing it, but we could probably live with that, couldn't we? Or could we?
Personally I'd have a harder time griefing somebody than robbing a bank even if I felt 100% sure that I wouldn't get punished. Why? Because the reward is better. What do I get out of robbing a bank? The money!!!! That's a pretty big incentive for me. But what about griefing? All you really get out of it is the satisfaction of having done something and gotten away with it. Personally, that's not that big of an incentive for me, but for some people I suspect it's a bit different. For some I believe the satisfaction of having done something they know they shouldn't and getting away with it is quite a powerful incentive. One they just can't resist.
So to try to answer the OP's question, I think it has something to do with the urge to do something that you know you probably shouldn't and getting away with it. For some people, this is a pretty powerful urge while others don't necessarily feel that big of urge. Why some people are like this and some aren't is a tougher question. Could be any one of a million reasons I guess so I won't attempt an answer for that.
There. You still think it's a terrible metaphor Ackmhed? I actually think it's a pretty good one.
Thank you. I guess there's no explaining things to some people, especially when they've got a superiority mindset...
Yup, yet another hardcore pvper fitting the stereotype.
Just keep chanting that "suck it up or leave" thing you have going there.
Exactly my point. If you can't handle it, leave. There are PvE servers for people who don't like or can't handle world PvP. If you consider that "hate and general nastyness" then you certainly have no business on a PvP server.
Thank you. I guess there's no explaining things to some people, especially when they've got a superiority mindset...
So if you think it is your right to be able to play the game anyway you want, with no chance of a player 30 levels higher than you camping you, then why on earth did you roll on a PvP server? Or did you just not realize the rule-set?
Just say "since killing me in one or two hits is so fun for you, ill leave my character logged in, afk, while I go have sex with my wife-- I've been neglecting her a bit too long, anyway."...
Trust me. Saying something like that would hurt him far more than he is annoying you.
No. How many times does it have to be explained to you? I was starting a discussion about WHY someone would do that. Okay? Not complaining that it happened. Read the post and try, please try, to comprehend. Were you dropped on your head as a child? How many more times is it gonna take before you figure it out? It's not a difficult concept... really, it isn't. Dear God I feel sorry for your schoolteachers...
/facepalm
You can not talk or communicate with the opposing side in Wow. I recently got ganked on my DK by a couple of peeps. I brought my S3 / S4 mage & a couple of friends for revenge (damm you S4 shoulders). They logged after we ganked them for at least a solid thirty minutes.
Pvp happens on a pvp server. Look at your opponets guild before ganking is highly recomended thou.