Expansions with bugs? oh no way I even found bugged quests in Blizzards expansions by level 71. QQ somewhere else.
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Originally posted by Papadam
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Ya wonderful launch, except the constant stress on the servers still that lag up every 10-15mins in a freeze frame, sometimes containing death.
Or the fact that a lot of skills are broken.
Or the new stats are broken.
Or some quests are bugged.
Or block % no longer exist and seems to be worse than it was, working intended who knows but its an annoying change.
QA is slipping, slipping I tells ya.
You are just a drama queen and a perfect example that the LotrO community have its bad apples..
Heh alright sorry for not bowing down and worshiping Turbine. There are problems in this game wither you like it or not. For christ sakes open your eyes, is it a good expansion as far as content well that is up to you, rehashed mobs didn't help my exploration anymore but I lived with it. Lore breaking mobs in Moria I'm sure of it, we'll be hearing more of that once people get into it more.
Sorry I'm the only one with enough balls around here to tell it like it is.
Name one mmo expansion that didnt have a few bugs at launch, pliz do.
I woke up 10 mins before the expansion launched, got on the server exactly at teh time they announced, no queue. Tried to do b15c12 realised that 6 lvl 50 vs 4 lvl 52 elite mobs wasnt a good idea so i used my brain and decided to start with moria.
Did quests, non of the were bugged, got disco once in 5hours, a little lag when i passed by areas where 50-100 players were gathered, a few graphic glitches ( my pc might be to blame)
Even though i dislike the legendary items system and the fact that rift armor is worse than what you get as book rewards in moria i must say this is the best mmo expansion i've ever seen.
So if you like serving whine so much go work in a restaurant.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
lol I love how message board whiners can twist their crying into a crusade against an unholy substandard MMO company almost without fail. You would think after 10-15 years of this approach they would have came up with something different.
Who cares if you think Turbine is slipping. Theres many people that like the company, if you dont, boohoohoo nobody cares as you can see.
Moria was one of the smoothest expansion releases I've ever been a part of.
They had the servers down for less than a day and I logged in the following morning with no lag, no disconnects, no problems.
If you want to complain about server issues don't ever play EVE Online where a new expansion means setting a 3 day skill if you are optimistic about being able to play again after that long. I want my boot.ini back!
Why are people complaining that they can't find a group for Book 15.12 or saying it's to hard.
For crying out loud people it's a flipping lvl 52 instance!
Go into Moria, gain some levels, and then come back to it when you have decided to grow a pair and not whine like a little &*^%$.
This was actually a wonderful launch by Turbine. Servers were unstable at MIDNIGHT on a WORK / SCHOOL night but everything was running well by the next morning. There are plenty of MMO's out there who would have given their left nut for a launch that smooth.
People who want everything perfect NOW NOW NOW NOW really piss me off.
Learn some patience.
Ya wonderful launch, except the constant stress on the servers still that lag up every 10-15mins in a freeze frame, sometimes containing death.
Or the fact that a lot of skills are broken.
Or the new stats are broken.
Or some quests are bugged.
Or block % no longer exist and seems to be worse than it was, working intended who knows but its an annoying change.
All you guys proved to me is how much you care when you say you don't care. If you didn't care you wouldn't have read it would you. Just goes to show even Darkfall type fans exist in other MMOs, pathetic and sad that I can't share a concern without fanbois jumping on me saying everything is perfect and there is nothing wrong. Laughable at best enjoy your day.
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1. The additions to the trollshaws map do not give you a clear enough idea of how to get to Eregion. It took me quite a bit of running around to find an entrance.
2. The RM class pushes the boundaries of the lore more than I'm comfortable with. I suppose I'll get used to it.
3. Two of the three LM talent lines don't look that great to me, and Minst Warspeach is reportedly a bit broken right now (but getting fixed in the first patch).
4. I'm not sure that funneling every 50 in the game through Eregion was such a hot idea. The questing there is currently pretty crowded.
Taken together though, I see all of those issues as pretty minor. And that is honestly all I can come up with off the top of my head. It's overall the best expansion I've experienced in an MMO by a wide margin.
The launch was incredibly smooth, I've encountered 0 bugs (not sure what the OP is talking about), and I'm having a ton of fun. The legendary item system alone has ramped up the addiction factor by a huge margin. Looking for a legendary bow that can go to 50 and has a good set of traits is going to keep me entertained for months. And the Mines are absolutely stunning.
I'm not sure if some players were expecting a gift certificate for a prostitute in the box or what. Some of the whines I'm seeing just don't sound like players in the same game as me. I personally think that Turbine hit this one out of the park. No single expansion has ever revitalized my interest in a game like this one has.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
All you guys proved to me is how much you care when you say you don't care. If you didn't care you wouldn't have read it would you. Just goes to show even Darkfall type fans exist in other MMOs, pathetic and sad that I can't share a concern without fanbois jumping on me saying everything is perfect and there is nothing wrong. Laughable at best enjoy your day.
When you come back to your senses, let us know.
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You were supposed to go to Moria first and get a few levels on you and your legendary before you started book 15. They also made changes to the combat system so a lot of people aren't used to them and have to relearn to use some skills and in some cases learn their class all over again.
Angmar is empty because everyone is in Moria!!!! My goodness the chat there is non-stop!!!
Best X-pac ever making this hands down the best game ever!!!
I've seen many expansions launch, and this one is in the top 3 of the smoothest releases. Things that ALWAYs, AL - WAYS come up when expansions release, any p2p game, any time:
- Game hoppers show up that haven't played the game for months, they talk crap, lol, level, cry about how boring it is at level cap and quit again. Happens in every game.
- Initial content has a drop to near zero in population for about 4 weeks, because everyone is trying the new content. Happens in every game.
- Alts drop to near zero, because 80% of the players play their mains to the new cap and 17% create one of the new classes.
- Powerleveling kicks in. The guys that create new chars want to be at the level range for the new content as fast as possible, so you'll see people in a hurry everywhere.
- Old items drop in value, market destabilizes. Happens in every expansion in every game. Takes some weeks until the prices restabilize again.
All these things are temporary. 4 to 8 weeks and the hoppers will be gone, the achievers will grind their raids, the casuals will start new alts, the roleplayers will start to roleplay again and the crafter will adapt to the new market environment.
Never ever judge an expansion during the first month. And never judge a new game during the free month btw.
I have to wonder if the OP's main is a Minstrel. If so I can understand his bile, Turbine really screwed that class over bad.
Overall I think this was a good expansion but yes the Minstrel is pretty much a hosed class at this point. Changes are upcoming in the first patch but I have to wonder if it is enough to fix what should have never made it to release. Guardians took some pretty nasty nerfs also from what my friends tell me. No personal experience there. I rarely group with my LM, and there are some complaints there but he solos like a madman. On the otehr hand Minstrels still are terrrible solo and die way too easy when grouped.
I like the new weapons system but have to give the new class tree idea a C minus or a D grade. Turbine tried to fix something which was not broken. Same with the new crafting Guilds. They are ok but seem like a lot of work to fix something that did not need fixed.
The new areas are just awesome, not perfect but very very good. A big B+ on that point.
Crafting changes I am luke warm over. I like the new Guild system to a point, but have to wonder if it were really necessary. Once again if it isn't broke then why fix it.
so in summary
Class Changes D-
New Weapons System B+
New Areas B+
New Classes B
New Skill Trees C-
Crafting Changes C-
Release Stability and BugsB
Overall C+
Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh coming from someone who has a rep as a Turbine fanboy but Turbine really did fall down a few notches in my eyes on this one.
I have to wonder if the OP's main is a Minstrel. If so I can understand his bile, Turbine really screwed that class over bad. Overall I think this was a good expansion but yes the Minstrel is pretty much a hosed class at this point. Changes are upcoming in the first patch but I have to wonder if it is enough to fix what should have never made it to release. Guardians took some pretty nasty nerfs also from what my friends tell me. No personal experience there. I rarely group with my LM, and there are some complaints there but he solos like a madman. On the otehr hand Minstrels still are terrrible solo and die way too easy when grouped. I like the new weapons system but have to give the new class tree idea a C minus or a D grade. Turbine tried to fix something which was not broken. Same with the new crafting Guilds. They are ok but seem like a lot of work to fix something that did not need fixed. The new areas are just awesome, not perfect but very very good. A big B+ on that point. Crafting changes I am luke warm over. I like the new Guild system to a point, but have to wonder if it were really necessary. Once again if it isn't broke then why fix it. so in summary Class Changes D- New Weapons System B+ New Areas B+ New Classes B New Skill Trees C-
Crafting Changes C OverallC Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh coming from someone who has a rep as a Turbine fanboy but Turbine really did fall down a few notches in my eyes on this one.
I understand that those are your opinions and while I have shelved my Min till the next patch can you please explain a little more on some of your grades?
Class changes dont really agree there they are different but some people dont like change yes Mins are shitty to solo with but still the best healers. Other class complaints?
New weapon system B+ really.... tell me how it could be better seems perfect to me I can not personally think of a way to make it better. Tell me what you would change.
New areas ....lots of swift travel I like this alot I assume you have seen all of the new areas so I will not question that but what is wrong with them? what could be better?
New Classes I have not played them so no comment on that.
New skill trees C- ok I see that a little for some classes but what classes did you feel were bad and what needs changed? I played a burg and they seem fine for what they are and the Min tree that gives like a 85% less healing sucks big time but it can be fixed but still agree.
What is wrong with crafting seems like its mostly the same but they added crafting guilds have you tried them yet or are you just speculating that they suck?
Overall grade no problem there as I respect your opinion but as a fellow Lotro guy would really like some more input from you and why you feel the way you do.
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Make the new weapon system better, have a crafter that can turn some of the old teal items (rift gem weapons), the devs talked about that some time ago but it seems the idea was dropped.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Make the new weapon system better, have a crafter that can turn some of the old teal items (rift gem weapons), the devs talked about that some time ago but it seems the idea was dropped.
So you mean add them to the current system or just the rift items only? I can understand not wanting to part with old gear that you put time in for and I believe that is what the current system is there for.
It will not be perfect for now but once you are 60 most will have unfortunatly forgotten about the Rift ( loved the place R.I.P. Rift) so although it may have an impact now when the next xpac comes I think it will work out better.
Have to give Turbine credit for doing something new though and I am sure they will get it right for most of the player base. Hope you are not one of those that dislike the current system and if you are hopefully they will do something for you.
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All you guys proved to me is how much you care when you say you don't care. If you didn't care you wouldn't have read it would you. Just goes to show even Darkfall type fans exist in other MMOs, pathetic and sad that I can't share a concern without fanbois jumping on me saying everything is perfect and there is nothing wrong. Laughable at best enjoy your day.
Not at all, I think your concerns are valid as they are your concerns, but I think you expressed them so that they seemed a bit extreme.
I play the same game you do and I just don't see what you are saying.
Is it "ok" to have bugs and issues? no.
Does it have to be acceptable? Well apparently to a certain extant "yes".
Having played other games the bugs and issues in LOTRO are minimal. Any server issues or downtime have been minimal.
I'm far more concerned about turbine adding more lore breaking content then whether or not their QA is slipping.
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I have to wonder if the OP's main is a Minstrel. If so I can understand his bile, Turbine really screwed that class over bad. Overall I think this was a good expansion but yes the Minstrel is pretty much a hosed class at this point. Changes are upcoming in the first patch but I have to wonder if it is enough to fix what should have never made it to release. Guardians took some pretty nasty nerfs also from what my friends tell me. No personal experience there. I rarely group with my LM, and there are some complaints there but he solos like a madman. On the otehr hand Minstrels still are terrrible solo and die way too easy when grouped. I like the new weapons system but have to give the new class tree idea a C minus or a D grade. Turbine tried to fix something which was not broken. Same with the new crafting Guilds. They are ok but seem like a lot of work to fix something that did not need fixed. The new areas are just awesome, not perfect but very very good. A big B+ on that point. Crafting changes I am luke warm over. I like the new Guild system to a point, but have to wonder if it were really necessary. Once again if it isn't broke then why fix it. so in summary Class Changes D- New Weapons System B+ New Areas B+ New Classes B New Skill Trees C-
Crafting Changes C OverallC Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh coming from someone who has a rep as a Turbine fanboy but Turbine really did fall down a few notches in my eyes on this one.
I understand that those are your opinions and while I have shelved my Min till the next patch can you please explain a little more on some of your grades?
Class changes dont really agree there they are different but some people dont like change yes Mins are shitty to solo with but still the best healers. Other class complaints?
Guardians need some love, LM's who are heavy into grouping and or PvMP are also crying for changes. I dismissed mot of this as board whiners till I saw for myself how bad Minstrel was hosed. Now I will gibe them the benefit of the doubt.
New weapon system B+ really.... tell me how it could be better seems perfect to me I can not personally think of a way to make it better. Tell me what you would change.
What Beaverz said
New areas ....lots of swift travel I like this alot I assume you have seen all of the new areas so I will not question that but what is wrong with them? what could be better?
Mob density in Moria is pretty thick. A lot of the outside quests involve a lot of travel. I have found a couple of bugged quests in a couple of areas. Overall I like it and think a B+ is a good grade.
New Classes I have not played them so no comment on that.
So far I am not impressed all that much by the Rune Keeper Class. Love the Wardens though
New skill trees C- ok I see that a little for some classes but what classes did you feel were bad and what needs changed? I played a burg and they seem fine for what they are and the Min tree that gives like a 85% less healing sucks big time but it can be fixed but still agree.
I misworded that. I meant the trait lines. One example isway too much grinding to get some traits for the minstrels heal line. For example some require 300 to 400 repetitions on a skill that has 10 minute cool down. Again on the minstrel ther is too much of a penalty on the heals when in War speech now. 85% reduction for having 3 traits slotted. I ended up taking one out and slotted a trait which is so so from anotehr tree just to get the penalty reduced.
What is wrong with crafting seems like its mostly the same but they added crafting guilds have you tried them yet or are you just speculating that they suck?
Why the crafting guilds? Just more grinding ion my opinion. Again it was a pretty good system just the way it was. Why fix what did not need fixed. More complicated is not always better.
Overall grade no problem there as I respect your opinion but as a fellow Lotro guy would really like some more input from you and why you feel the way you do.
The overall grade is a average of all the grades added up with a A being four down to D which is 1.That is how I ended up with a C or C+ if I wanted to be a bit lenient.
Quite a few bugs made it through beta that should not have made it through. As the OP has stated Turbine really fell down on the QA compared to what it was at launch. There are still server problems, I don't recall any server problems at all withteh original launch and the last couple of days I have seen several glitches on Silverlode.
The minstrel dev team should be fired. That is harsh but just the way I feel. Whoefver is in charge of them needs to close the door and have some serious words of prayer. As a long time minstrel ( since beta 2) the changes really kind of gave me a sour taste on the entire expansion.
Originally posted by Sovrath Not at all, I think your concerns are valid as they are your concerns, but I think you expressed them so that they seemed a bit extreme. I play the same game you do and I just don't see what you are saying. Is it "ok" to have bugs and issues? no. Does it have to be acceptable? Well apparently to a certain extant "yes". Having played other games the bugs and issues in LOTRO are minimal. Any server issues or downtime have been minimal. I'm far more concerned about turbine adding more lore breaking content then whether or not their QA is slipping
Ya I probably should have worded it better or in a different tone because it was mistaken for a backlash attack to Turbine and LotRO as a troll attempt. Which it obviously isn't but anyone around these parts seem to have satisfaction in labeling anyone a troll they do not agree with. Imagine the real world if this happened, would be comedy. What you want to return this shirt cause it has a hole in it? TROLL!
Originally posted by Jackdog I have to wonder if the OP's main is a Minstrel. If so I can understand his bile, Turbine really screwed that class over bad. Overall I think this was a good expansion but yes the Minstrel is pretty much a hosed class at this point. Changes are upcoming in the first patch but I have to wonder if it is enough to fix what should have never made it to release. Guardians took some pretty nasty nerfs also from what my friends tell me. No personal experience there. I rarely group with my LM, and there are some complaints there but he solos like a madman. On the otehr hand Minstrels still are terrrible solo and die way too easy when grouped. I like the new weapons system but have to give the new class tree idea a C minus or a D grade. Turbine tried to fix something which was not broken. Same with the new crafting Guilds. They are ok but seem like a lot of work to fix something that did not need fixed. The new areas are just awesome, not perfect but very very good. A big B+ on that point. Crafting changes I am luke warm over. I like the new Guild system to a point, but have to wonder if it were really necessary. Once again if it isn't broke then why fix it. so in summary Class Changes D- New Weapons System B+ New Areas B+ New Classes B New Skill Trees C-
Crafting Changes C- Release Stability and Bugs B Overall C+
Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh coming from someone who has a rep as a Turbine fanboy but Turbine really did fall down a few notches in my eyes on this one.
Finally someone with some sense, I realize everyone is glorified in the new content but there is some serious skill breaking issues. I'm sure it will get patched up but I hate playing a broken class makes me want to... quit, heh bet you thought I'd say kill a kitten.
Jackdog right on my friend, Minstrel is my main.
Turbine did slip, but still are one of the top notch companies in terms of content and polish although if this keeps up that will be a thing in the past.
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I can feel better with this clarification, of why you are not satified. I would say let them patch , make a new book, and see from there.... All of your points should be transferred to the official forums, and discussed.
Have fun dude !
Form all indications Jeffrey Steele needs to go in and chew some serious butt of whoever in charge of LM's and Minstrels. Most of these complaints surfaced as soon as the NDA was lifted.
The quest QA is another area he needs to take a serious look at. So far I have bugged 2 quests out of 30 that I have completed in Eregion. Hopefully thiose were the only 2 bugged quests in the expansion but some how I doubt it. One quest refused to update for anyone in the group when the boss mob was killed , the other just dissapeared off my quest log when I killed the last foozle. Yes I did bug reports.
I stil think Turbine is the best developer going right now and LoTRO the best PvE game. It just hurts my fanboy feelings to see them screw up this way. Overall I love the expansion and if I were to grade it on a weighted scale I would have to give it a slightly higher grade. But honestly I can't because some of these mistakes were just too damn big. I just have a hard time believing that they let the expansion ship with a major class being that fubared. That is something I could see happening in a SOE game, but I hold Turbine to a much higher standard.
I am to very upset with the changes to Mins as my main WAS a Min but luckily I leveled a Burg and a guard to 50 just before the xpac just in case what the forums said was true.
I got my Min to 51 before I realized every normal NPC feels like a dam elite to me and I died more times in my journey from 50-51 then on all my toons combined 1-50.
I would have quit the game for a few months had that been my only toon actually is it was like playing the game while sitting on a picked fence instead of my computer chair.
I do agree with you on the fact of how this group of changes for some classes went live and some one needs to get their ass handed to them. Not sure why they would nerf anything in the game as much as they did Mins this is not a hardcore PVP game so i really dont understand it.
The good news is atleast they know they have a problem and have stated it will be fixed by the next patch.
The bad news is what they mean by fixed may end up killing the game at max levels as there will be very few people who will tough it out leveling a Min to 60. It was already difficult finding a healer sometimes if I were not playing mine so this problem can only add to that.
Remember the next time you call for a nerf in this game you may be contributing to killing off an entire class since in this game everyone plays the hero side atleast if not creep and freep side together.
So if you called for a Min nerf ever due to monster play just remember that next time you are looking for a healer for hours.
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I am to very upset with the changes to Mins as my main WAS a Min but luckily I leveled a Burg and a guard to 50 just before the xpac just in case what the forums said was true. I got my Min to 51 before I realized every normal NPC feels like a dam elite to me and I died more times in my journey from 50-51 then on all my toons combined 1-50. I would have quit the game for a few months had that been my only toon actually is it was like playing the game while sitting on a picked fence instead of my computer chair. I do agree with you on the fact of how this group of changes for some classes went live and some one needs to get their ass handed to them. Not sure why they would nerf anything in the game as much as they did Mins this is not a hardcore PVP game so i really dont understand it. The good news is atleast they know they have a problem and have stated it will be fixed by the next patch. The bad news is what they mean by fixed may end up killing the game at max levels as there will be very few people who will tough it out leveling a Min to 60. It was already difficult finding a healer sometimes if I were not playing mine so this problem can only add to that. Remember the next time you call for a nerf in this game you may be contributing to killing off an entire class since in this game everyone plays the hero side atleast if not creep and freep side together. So if you called for a Min nerf ever due to monster play just remember that next time you are looking for a healer for hours.
just looking at the partch notes has not convinced me that much if anything is going to be fixed any time soon. At least three of us lvl 50+ minsterels in my kin have retired our minnies to the crafting halls except in cases of we gotta have a minnie kinship requests. I am seriously thinking about going back to EQII for awhile.
Just to add my 2 cents.. I see a lot of unhappy ministrels and I can't speak to that because I don't play one. However there are some ministrels who are not unhappy. In general, people who are willing to relearn the stat system, take a fresh look at their traits and the new system, and review how they use their skills are the ones who are not complaining. If you are married to your old stats and old traits and don't want to re-examine things you're probably unhappy. I don't blame you though: it's natural to be resistant change.
I would suggest if you haven't done a complete review of your traits and the new stats system to do so. Do you still trait yourself with Fidelity because you used to run Rift weekly? It's time to ditch it: no one is hitting you with shadow damage when you are leveling. Did you forget about Empathy because armor didn't do much in Shadows in Armor? Well it's one of the better traits now. Do you not have any -Incoming damage traits slotted? Consider it!
And wait till you've played with a few legendary items. By level 52 or 53 you should have be able to equip a few of them, hopefully have a good idea of the legacies you can equip. There are some nices bonuses, especially with runes.
Personally, I feel like my captain has received lots of love. I had to change a few traits to make me more solo oriented and less group oriented, and tougher but less power efficient. There are definitely some perks to the new weapons system and with new trait slots there are more possibilties to take advantage of the class trait tier. I'm looking forward to seeing what the extreme healing, extreme dps, and extreme pet builds will look like!
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Heh alright sorry for not bowing down and worshiping Turbine. There are problems in this game wither you like it or not. For christ sakes open your eyes, is it a good expansion as far as content well that is up to you, rehashed mobs didn't help my exploration anymore but I lived with it. Lore breaking mobs in Moria I'm sure of it, we'll be hearing more of that once people get into it more.
Sorry I'm the only one with enough balls around here to tell it like it is.
Name one mmo expansion that didnt have a few bugs at launch, pliz do.
I woke up 10 mins before the expansion launched, got on the server exactly at teh time they announced, no queue. Tried to do b15c12 realised that 6 lvl 50 vs 4 lvl 52 elite mobs wasnt a good idea so i used my brain and decided to start with moria.
Did quests, non of the were bugged, got disco once in 5hours, a little lag when i passed by areas where 50-100 players were gathered, a few graphic glitches ( my pc might be to blame)
Even though i dislike the legendary items system and the fact that rift armor is worse than what you get as book rewards in moria i must say this is the best mmo expansion i've ever seen.
So if you like serving whine so much go work in a restaurant.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
lol I love how message board whiners can twist their crying into a crusade against an unholy substandard MMO company almost without fail. You would think after 10-15 years of this approach they would have came up with something different.
Who cares if you think Turbine is slipping. Theres many people that like the company, if you dont, boohoohoo nobody cares as you can see.
Turbine is slipping? To me it seems like they are doing about the same as they always have...
What do you mean?
Moria was one of the smoothest expansion releases I've ever been a part of.
They had the servers down for less than a day and I logged in the following morning with no lag, no disconnects, no problems.
If you want to complain about server issues don't ever play EVE Online where a new expansion means setting a 3 day skill if you are optimistic about being able to play again after that long. I want my boot.ini back!
Ya wonderful launch, except the constant stress on the servers still that lag up every 10-15mins in a freeze frame, sometimes containing death.
Or the fact that a lot of skills are broken.
Or the new stats are broken.
Or some quests are bugged.
Or block % no longer exist and seems to be worse than it was, working intended who knows but its an annoying change.
QA is slipping, slipping I tells ya.
BS and like the others said you're a drama QUEEN.
All you guys proved to me is how much you care when you say you don't care. If you didn't care you wouldn't have read it would you. Just goes to show even Darkfall type fans exist in other MMOs, pathetic and sad that I can't share a concern without fanbois jumping on me saying everything is perfect and there is nothing wrong. Laughable at best enjoy your day.
I have a few problems with MoM.
1. The additions to the trollshaws map do not give you a clear enough idea of how to get to Eregion. It took me quite a bit of running around to find an entrance.
2. The RM class pushes the boundaries of the lore more than I'm comfortable with. I suppose I'll get used to it.
3. Two of the three LM talent lines don't look that great to me, and Minst Warspeach is reportedly a bit broken right now (but getting fixed in the first patch).
4. I'm not sure that funneling every 50 in the game through Eregion was such a hot idea. The questing there is currently pretty crowded.
Taken together though, I see all of those issues as pretty minor. And that is honestly all I can come up with off the top of my head. It's overall the best expansion I've experienced in an MMO by a wide margin.
The launch was incredibly smooth, I've encountered 0 bugs (not sure what the OP is talking about), and I'm having a ton of fun. The legendary item system alone has ramped up the addiction factor by a huge margin. Looking for a legendary bow that can go to 50 and has a good set of traits is going to keep me entertained for months. And the Mines are absolutely stunning.
I'm not sure if some players were expecting a gift certificate for a prostitute in the box or what. Some of the whines I'm seeing just don't sound like players in the same game as me. I personally think that Turbine hit this one out of the park. No single expansion has ever revitalized my interest in a game like this one has.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
When you come back to your senses, let us know.
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You were supposed to go to Moria first and get a few levels on you and your legendary before you started book 15. They also made changes to the combat system so a lot of people aren't used to them and have to relearn to use some skills and in some cases learn their class all over again.
Angmar is empty because everyone is in Moria!!!! My goodness the chat there is non-stop!!!
Best X-pac ever making this hands down the best game ever!!!
I've seen many expansions launch, and this one is in the top 3 of the smoothest releases. Things that ALWAYs, AL - WAYS come up when expansions release, any p2p game, any time:
- Game hoppers show up that haven't played the game for months, they talk crap, lol, level, cry about how boring it is at level cap and quit again. Happens in every game.
- Initial content has a drop to near zero in population for about 4 weeks, because everyone is trying the new content. Happens in every game.
- Alts drop to near zero, because 80% of the players play their mains to the new cap and 17% create one of the new classes.
- Powerleveling kicks in. The guys that create new chars want to be at the level range for the new content as fast as possible, so you'll see people in a hurry everywhere.
- Old items drop in value, market destabilizes. Happens in every expansion in every game. Takes some weeks until the prices restabilize again.
All these things are temporary. 4 to 8 weeks and the hoppers will be gone, the achievers will grind their raids, the casuals will start new alts, the roleplayers will start to roleplay again and the crafter will adapt to the new market environment.
Never ever judge an expansion during the first month. And never judge a new game during the free month btw.
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I have to wonder if the OP's main is a Minstrel. If so I can understand his bile, Turbine really screwed that class over bad.
Overall I think this was a good expansion but yes the Minstrel is pretty much a hosed class at this point. Changes are upcoming in the first patch but I have to wonder if it is enough to fix what should have never made it to release. Guardians took some pretty nasty nerfs also from what my friends tell me. No personal experience there. I rarely group with my LM, and there are some complaints there but he solos like a madman. On the otehr hand Minstrels still are terrrible solo and die way too easy when grouped.
I like the new weapons system but have to give the new class tree idea a C minus or a D grade. Turbine tried to fix something which was not broken. Same with the new crafting Guilds. They are ok but seem like a lot of work to fix something that did not need fixed.
The new areas are just awesome, not perfect but very very good. A big B+ on that point.
Crafting changes I am luke warm over. I like the new Guild system to a point, but have to wonder if it were really necessary. Once again if it isn't broke then why fix it.
so in summary
Class Changes D-
New Weapons System B+
New Areas B+
New Classes B
New Skill Trees C-
Crafting Changes C-
Release Stability and Bugs B
Overall C+
Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh coming from someone who has a rep as a Turbine fanboy but Turbine really did fall down a few notches in my eyes on this one.
I miss DAoC
I understand that those are your opinions and while I have shelved my Min till the next patch can you please explain a little more on some of your grades?
Class changes dont really agree there they are different but some people dont like change yes Mins are shitty to solo with but still the best healers. Other class complaints?
New weapon system B+ really.... tell me how it could be better seems perfect to me I can not personally think of a way to make it better. Tell me what you would change.
New areas ....lots of swift travel I like this alot I assume you have seen all of the new areas so I will not question that but what is wrong with them? what could be better?
New Classes I have not played them so no comment on that.
New skill trees C- ok I see that a little for some classes but what classes did you feel were bad and what needs changed? I played a burg and they seem fine for what they are and the Min tree that gives like a 85% less healing sucks big time but it can be fixed but still agree.
What is wrong with crafting seems like its mostly the same but they added crafting guilds have you tried them yet or are you just speculating that they suck?
Overall grade no problem there as I respect your opinion but as a fellow Lotro guy would really like some more input from you and why you feel the way you do.
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Make the new weapon system better, have a crafter that can turn some of the old teal items (rift gem weapons), the devs talked about that some time ago but it seems the idea was dropped.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
So you mean add them to the current system or just the rift items only? I can understand not wanting to part with old gear that you put time in for and I believe that is what the current system is there for.
It will not be perfect for now but once you are 60 most will have unfortunatly forgotten about the Rift ( loved the place R.I.P. Rift) so although it may have an impact now when the next xpac comes I think it will work out better.
Have to give Turbine credit for doing something new though and I am sure they will get it right for most of the player base. Hope you are not one of those that dislike the current system and if you are hopefully they will do something for you.
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Not at all, I think your concerns are valid as they are your concerns, but I think you expressed them so that they seemed a bit extreme.
I play the same game you do and I just don't see what you are saying.
Is it "ok" to have bugs and issues? no.
Does it have to be acceptable? Well apparently to a certain extant "yes".
Having played other games the bugs and issues in LOTRO are minimal. Any server issues or downtime have been minimal.
I'm far more concerned about turbine adding more lore breaking content then whether or not their QA is slipping.
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I understand that those are your opinions and while I have shelved my Min till the next patch can you please explain a little more on some of your grades?
Class changes dont really agree there they are different but some people dont like change yes Mins are shitty to solo with but still the best healers. Other class complaints?
Guardians need some love, LM's who are heavy into grouping and or PvMP are also crying for changes. I dismissed mot of this as board whiners till I saw for myself how bad Minstrel was hosed. Now I will gibe them the benefit of the doubt.
New weapon system B+ really.... tell me how it could be better seems perfect to me I can not personally think of a way to make it better. Tell me what you would change.
What Beaverz said
New areas ....lots of swift travel I like this alot I assume you have seen all of the new areas so I will not question that but what is wrong with them? what could be better?
Mob density in Moria is pretty thick. A lot of the outside quests involve a lot of travel. I have found a couple of bugged quests in a couple of areas. Overall I like it and think a B+ is a good grade.
New Classes I have not played them so no comment on that.
So far I am not impressed all that much by the Rune Keeper Class. Love the Wardens though
New skill trees C- ok I see that a little for some classes but what classes did you feel were bad and what needs changed? I played a burg and they seem fine for what they are and the Min tree that gives like a 85% less healing sucks big time but it can be fixed but still agree.
I misworded that. I meant the trait lines. One example isway too much grinding to get some traits for the minstrels heal line. For example some require 300 to 400 repetitions on a skill that has 10 minute cool down. Again on the minstrel ther is too much of a penalty on the heals when in War speech now. 85% reduction for having 3 traits slotted. I ended up taking one out and slotted a trait which is so so from anotehr tree just to get the penalty reduced.
What is wrong with crafting seems like its mostly the same but they added crafting guilds have you tried them yet or are you just speculating that they suck?
Why the crafting guilds? Just more grinding ion my opinion. Again it was a pretty good system just the way it was. Why fix what did not need fixed. More complicated is not always better.
Overall grade no problem there as I respect your opinion but as a fellow Lotro guy would really like some more input from you and why you feel the way you do.
The overall grade is a average of all the grades added up with a A being four down to D which is 1.That is how I ended up with a C or C+ if I wanted to be a bit lenient.
Quite a few bugs made it through beta that should not have made it through. As the OP has stated Turbine really fell down on the QA compared to what it was at launch. There are still server problems, I don't recall any server problems at all withteh original launch and the last couple of days I have seen several glitches on Silverlode.
The minstrel dev team should be fired. That is harsh but just the way I feel. Whoefver is in charge of them needs to close the door and have some serious words of prayer. As a long time minstrel ( since beta 2) the changes really kind of gave me a sour taste on the entire expansion.
I miss DAoC
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Ya I probably should have worded it better or in a different tone because it was mistaken for a backlash attack to Turbine and LotRO as a troll attempt. Which it obviously isn't but anyone around these parts seem to have satisfaction in labeling anyone a troll they do not agree with. Imagine the real world if this happened, would be comedy. What you want to return this shirt cause it has a hole in it? TROLL!
Finally someone with some sense, I realize everyone is glorified in the new content but there is some serious skill breaking issues. I'm sure it will get patched up but I hate playing a broken class makes me want to... quit, heh bet you thought I'd say kill a kitten.
Jackdog right on my friend, Minstrel is my main.
Turbine did slip, but still are one of the top notch companies in terms of content and polish although if this keeps up that will be a thing in the past.
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I can feel better with this clarification, of why you are not satified. I would say let them patch , make a new book, and see from there.... All of your points should be transferred to the official forums, and discussed.
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Form all indications Jeffrey Steele needs to go in and chew some serious butt of whoever in charge of LM's and Minstrels. Most of these complaints surfaced as soon as the NDA was lifted.
The quest QA is another area he needs to take a serious look at. So far I have bugged 2 quests out of 30 that I have completed in Eregion. Hopefully thiose were the only 2 bugged quests in the expansion but some how I doubt it. One quest refused to update for anyone in the group when the boss mob was killed , the other just dissapeared off my quest log when I killed the last foozle. Yes I did bug reports.
I stil think Turbine is the best developer going right now and LoTRO the best PvE game. It just hurts my fanboy feelings to see them screw up this way. Overall I love the expansion and if I were to grade it on a weighted scale I would have to give it a slightly higher grade. But honestly I can't because some of these mistakes were just too damn big. I just have a hard time believing that they let the expansion ship with a major class being that fubared. That is something I could see happening in a SOE game, but I hold Turbine to a much higher standard.
I miss DAoC
I am to very upset with the changes to Mins as my main WAS a Min but luckily I leveled a Burg and a guard to 50 just before the xpac just in case what the forums said was true.
I got my Min to 51 before I realized every normal NPC feels like a dam elite to me and I died more times in my journey from 50-51 then on all my toons combined 1-50.
I would have quit the game for a few months had that been my only toon actually is it was like playing the game while sitting on a picked fence instead of my computer chair.
I do agree with you on the fact of how this group of changes for some classes went live and some one needs to get their ass handed to them. Not sure why they would nerf anything in the game as much as they did Mins this is not a hardcore PVP game so i really dont understand it.
The good news is atleast they know they have a problem and have stated it will be fixed by the next patch.
The bad news is what they mean by fixed may end up killing the game at max levels as there will be very few people who will tough it out leveling a Min to 60. It was already difficult finding a healer sometimes if I were not playing mine so this problem can only add to that.
Remember the next time you call for a nerf in this game you may be contributing to killing off an entire class since in this game everyone plays the hero side atleast if not creep and freep side together.
So if you called for a Min nerf ever due to monster play just remember that next time you are looking for a healer for hours.
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just looking at the partch notes has not convinced me that much if anything is going to be fixed any time soon. At least three of us lvl 50+ minsterels in my kin have retired our minnies to the crafting halls except in cases of we gotta have a minnie kinship requests. I am seriously thinking about going back to EQII for awhile.
I miss DAoC
^^ probably going to be in a book update.
Just to add my 2 cents.. I see a lot of unhappy ministrels and I can't speak to that because I don't play one. However there are some ministrels who are not unhappy. In general, people who are willing to relearn the stat system, take a fresh look at their traits and the new system, and review how they use their skills are the ones who are not complaining. If you are married to your old stats and old traits and don't want to re-examine things you're probably unhappy. I don't blame you though: it's natural to be resistant change.
I would suggest if you haven't done a complete review of your traits and the new stats system to do so. Do you still trait yourself with Fidelity because you used to run Rift weekly? It's time to ditch it: no one is hitting you with shadow damage when you are leveling. Did you forget about Empathy because armor didn't do much in Shadows in Armor? Well it's one of the better traits now. Do you not have any -Incoming damage traits slotted? Consider it!
And wait till you've played with a few legendary items. By level 52 or 53 you should have be able to equip a few of them, hopefully have a good idea of the legacies you can equip. There are some nices bonuses, especially with runes.
Personally, I feel like my captain has received lots of love. I had to change a few traits to make me more solo oriented and less group oriented, and tougher but less power efficient. There are definitely some perks to the new weapons system and with new trait slots there are more possibilties to take advantage of the class trait tier. I'm looking forward to seeing what the extreme healing, extreme dps, and extreme pet builds will look like!