Kyleran wrote: "OP was sharing his opinions in a reasonable and interesting way, and only a fanboi/troll would see it any different. These forums are for discussing things and your post brought nothing to the table. Epic fail."
Of course both he and you are entitled to have your opinions... Just wondering why people spend so much time being negative...he could just move on - but instead he choses to write a long post about something that has been said a gazillion times before.. That is the epic fail in my book... but ok, each to his own opinion, and sorry if i offended you
Because I enjoy talking about DF. Even if its the same old thing said a hundred different times. Even if its negative, or the most positive rantings of a rabid fanboi.
What I dislike is people who try to stifle the conversation by calling people trolls, and saying there's no reason to have the discussion.
edit: How the heck do you think I got this post count?
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Do I think Darkfall will launch? Yep, probably. When? I'd sure hope it does launch soon. This hype machine has gone on way too long already. It's more then time this game either delivers or dies. I think we can figure where I stand on where I think this game will land. I honestly believe that once this game is launched to the public, it will quickly become one of the most hyped up video game failures to EVER be launched. It will become the butt of all video game jokes in the mmo community for years to come. You fans want my reasons? My reasons are simply the lack of real reasons to believe in this game. The fall of Darkfall is coming...
Jepp, you might be right and DF might fail. Why shouldn`t, it when every large mmo company after WOW have failed. Even Blizzard would fail if they tried to make another game than WOW at the moment. A small indie company with a base in Greece can`t possible make what appears to be the greatest game in years. Happy now?
Some of us still have a hope that this time it might be right. We are not many left from the old days of mmo`s, and belive me you have no... absolutly no idea how fun a decent full-loot mmo can be unless you have been there. That`s might be one reason why some fanbois react the way they do.
Aventurine is a small company founded by oldtime gamers. I do belive they are trying to make a good game, but honestly I don`t know if they can pull it off the way they want to. I was in before the last guildbeta years ago, and I know I might be dissapointed again. But the reward if they make a good full-loot mmo is to big to leave it alone.
"Darkfall is simply to good to be true" is what we hear all the time, but what if it is true?
If people would post their thoughts in a well thought out way that actually resembled a thought process and discussion like you did...... then we may actually have good discussion on these boards. Instead we get the tenspottings, RMs, etc of the world posting one liners and random nonsense.
Eh, he did a better job than those like TenSpotting, but do not be fooled by the length of the post. He stated his opinion, but he did not give any supporting reasons for his opinion beyond an obvious fallacy (over-hype that this game most definitely does not have, and which is not directly related to sucess or failure). To be well thought out, it would have had to have logical andsound supporting arguments.
That said, it was a good post for an opinion post, and better than the ever-idiotic troll that calls itself TenSpotting. However, this is the bare minimum of acceptability, and you will get no applause from me for just that.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
I have to agree with OP. I'm a massive skeptic (aka troll/non believer/infedel) of this game/cult/religion, and even I am starting to get a little excited about it possibly coming out next year. but I agree with OP no way it will live up to the hype. My moneys that its the buggiest unfinished game ever launched when it does, but theres a small chance of a miracle and I am wrong.
To the OP: I disagree that this game could be a huge failure because of all the hype.
There are so many games hyped much, much more than Darkfall. The only reason it seems like it is hyped is because you frequent MMO forums and follow the genre. If you are not a veteran MMORPG player, I highly doubt you would of heard about Darkfall.
And my prediction? I think Darkfall will have a very solid start, but then weed out to a loyal subscriber base of a little over 100k. I think some peoples expectations are sky high and will be impossible to meet, and they will be dissapointed. But for those realistic people who are looking for this type of game, I think they will be happily satisfied.
I have to agree with OP. I'm a massive skeptic (aka troll/non believer/infedel) of this game/cult/religion, and even I am starting to get a little excited about it possibly coming out next year. but I agree with OP no way it will live up to the hype. My moneys that its the buggiest unfinished game ever launched when it does(MUCH LIKE AoC then?), but theres a small chance of a miracle and I am wrong.
Yea, just like AoC, except its not an instanced, mass marketed fraud. IMHO, AoC was/is a fraud.
Here's my prediction. Darkfall will become the single most popular game since the Earth first formed 4.5 billion years ago. Darkfall will cure most common afflictions including Aids and all types of cancer. Darkfall will teach all of the peoples of the world to live in perfect harmony and war will be a thing of the past. Darkfall will be picked up by Alien races and make them realize that humans must be far superior to make such a perfect creation so they will come to Earth to meet Tasos and declare him all mighty god of the Universe. Darkfall will teach people to communicate with all other forms of life including all plants and animals.
Hey, my predictions are just as valid as anyone else's in this forum that has never played the game so try not to laugh to hard while reading them. They "could" come true after all no matter how unlikely.... just like most of the other predictions in this thread!
DarkFall has an interest from the ground level. There is no multi million dollar publicity launch. No fancy advertisements with half naked chicks. Just word of mouth, and individuals coming to their own conclusions. The hype stems from drama queens, who want attention and make antagonizing posts. They are refugees who move from game to game, trying to get a bit of attention.
I think the title for theis thread should be something like "The Fall of Narrowminded thinking" instead. Maybe people will see there is more then one way to play a MMO. And for this thread, all i can see id fear. Plain fear. Either fear that DF wil fail...or succed and destroy the mainstream idea of what a MMO is.
Its going to have to fail pretty badly to beat AoC in the butt of mmo jokes arena. AoC is the new benchmark in EPIC FAILURE.
I would DEFINITLY argue that, Not that its Failure, but that Warhammer didn't fail harder. Atleast AoC has STUNNING graphics. Warhammer has crappier graphics then WoW which is a half a decade older.
I agree with the OP. If DF ever does release it will be a mess. That's why they're scared shitless of letting anyone with an ounce of critical awareness near it.
Age of Conan and WAR hype was heard throughout the industry. Even the WoW players who didn't know there was an MMORPG gengre, only WoW, heard echoes of AoC hype, and the following failure.
Darkfall is really only whispered hopefully between people who have been waiting for a real MMO since the regression of the industry following WoW's release.
Yes this is exactly what I mean. It is the trolls who are playing this overhype card and it is getting old.
I mean seriously do you ever see even a minority of the fanbase going around and typing "oh holy tasos has proclaimed this game to be the best and it is mark my words". Of course not...most of the fans are also skeptics but we have a little more faith in taking what the developers say as truth while others cry conspiracy.
This game is definitely not overhyped. It is underhyped and if anything has the lowest expectations by the general public that a game has had in a long time.
Sorry to call you out, but your lying. I've seen more then a few fans recently post DF will have 200 vs 200 battles (something aventurine has never said) or that DF's graphics are better then AoC's / LoTRO. The game IS overhyped to a extreme point were its created unrealistic expectation IMO. The fans are just hurting DF more and more bye posting unrelistic hype and getting expectations up to a point there is simply no way DF can live up to the hype. (And no it wasn't trolls posting these things.)
And as far as the troll war goes. One doesn't have to say they think DF is Vaporware, nore do they even have to say they think DF will be bad, all they have to do is disagree with the hype or doubt and the fans will call them trolls. (ie I disagree with the hype that DF's graphics are better then AoC's, I also after waiting 12 weeks from the May announcement that a video would be out "soon" doubted there would be one in august. Yes i was wrong and yes i was one of the first to congratulate the fans when it did come out but I am labled a troll <shrug>)
Sad part is i guess the rabid fans here just can't see what they themselves are doing. When a troll posts guess what? The thread gets bumped and more people see/hear about DF in effect its a good thing. Yes now you can argue but the troll is saying bad things about the game, but really i give credit to most of the readers here at MMORPG to actually be able to figure out somewhat for themselves what is trolling (Not hard really considering no fans or trolls have played this game thus everyone is basically just posting unproven opinions.) However when the fans post they have a tendency to do it in such away as to actually make people say "God! Would i really want to play with this lot?!" ie. A recent thread here by a fan had almost evey post in it stating something demeaning about anyone that plays WoW. Ok fine so the DF fan hates people who play wow, but actually i know several wow players that are interested in DF do you really want to say in effect "Hey if you play wow don't even bother coming to DF because because you'll just excrete all over yourself !"? Then of course theres the DF fans that can't just be happy with good anouncements for DF they have to start making threads baiting trolls with almost eveyone of several posts being something like "oh where are the trolls now," or "Oh i can't wait for the trolls to show up so i can educate them again." etc etc etc. adnasium. Yeah the trolls are bad, but its always sadder when the Fanbois make the trolls look mature.
if you really want to discuss DF fine, but cut with the us vs them believer or your a troll, don't even disagree with us line you've created. (A) agree to be able to disagree. (B) Understand that while no ones played the game so they can't prove DF is bad, neither have you and you can'y prove its good. Its all just opinions and no yours is not always the right one but sometimes it might be.
Everyone (myself included) needs to lighten up and stop trying to be the damn fanboi / troll police and Understand its just a game, and at this point its all mainly just opinion with very little factual wrong or right.
People want you to play the same game as them. It makes for a more active and healthier community, as well as a more financially equipped company to keep the game running smoothly. I wouldn't trust 100% I read or hear, even from my friends, when it comes to MMOs (yea I guess I take it too seriously). Find which games interest you, do your research, try it out on your own. A troll has the same negative effects as a fan, odds are if somone is reading this forum they know full well what Darkfall consists of. I personally would be dissapointed if they release in the next month because I dont think that they can pop up just a month after lich king and 2 months after warhammer. Give some time for these games to lose hype IMO.
I think the error in OP's logic is in that he believes PR stunts, and advertising = Good Product.
Lets look back at other epic failures. For example; Warhamer Online: Age of Suckining. Had very good exposure, lots of people had a chance to play this game befor release, many beta accounts, and overwhemlingly positive feedback. Age of Conan, had great PR, lots of interviews with the Devs, and tons of promisses on stuff we never really saw. The only evidence we'll get of a GOOD product, is a GOOD product. Bull$H*T is just that.. A load of crap, and no matter how well you gift wrap it, IT STINKS!
I have to agree with OP. I'm a massive skeptic (aka troll/non believer/infedel) of this game/cult/religion, and even I am starting to get a little excited about it possibly coming out next year. but I agree with OP no way it will live up to the hype. My moneys that its the buggiest unfinished game ever launched when it does(MUCH LIKE AoC then?), but theres a small chance of a miracle and I am wrong.
To the OP: You write that people spend time yapping on and on and on about the game.. Well at least these people have something constructive to say or write - they talk about something they are excited about! You, on the other hand, spend your time bitching and being negative!
I feel sorry for you
See now i'd use this as a example of how the DF fans really don't want to hear any differening opinions. Sure the OP's opinion was not something the fans would like, and really he doesn't have any facts to back it up, but it is HIS opinion just as the fan poster here has HIS opinion that DF is great and wiil do well.
Either admit you don't want to hear any opinions that don't show DF in the best light or allow people to post their opnions even if negative as long as they do it with at least some reason and respect. (I'm not talking about the "OMG DF is soo gonna suxxor because i say so posts" I respect those just as much as the "OMG DF is so gonna rock its graphics totally kick AoC's and LoTRO to the side" posts)
To the OP: You write that people spend time yapping on and on and on about the game.. Well at least these people have something constructive to say or write - they talk about something they are excited about! You, on the other hand, spend your time bitching and being negative!
I feel sorry for you
See now i'd use this as a example of how the DF fans really don't want to hear any differening opinions. Sure the OP's opinion was not something the fans would like, and really he doesn't have any facts to back it up, but it is HIS opinion just as the fan poster here has HIS opinion that DF is great and wiil do well.
Either admit you don't want to hear any opinions that don't show DF in the best light or allow people to post their opnions even if negative as long as they do it with at least some reason and respect. (I'm not talking about the "OMG DF is soo gonna suxxor because i say so posts" I respect those just as much as the "OMG DF is so gonna rock its graphics totally kick AoC's and LoTRO to the side" posts)
How Dare you??
You are not allowed to use your brain when posting.
The Great Tasos looks disfavorably on you..
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Originally posted by arkady09 Its going to have to fail pretty badly to beat AoC in the butt of mmo jokes arena. AoC is the new benchmark in EPIC FAILURE.
huh, I am going to go out on a limb and assume that you are relatively new to the world of mmos? AoC was relatively tame as far as bad releases go, and it delivered pretty much what I expected (wow-style clone game with the extra combat mechanism). No I don't play it anymore, not my thing, so I am not just defending it due to fanboism.
You want an epic failure release? Look up Dark and Light.
AoC was just perfect, compared to dnl
Edit: As for DF's hype.. it has it. Sure you get the people yelling about how its a scam or it will fail and all that, but you get all the people screaming about how this is going to be THE mmo.
Why do I think DF might not do so well (assuming it exists)? Population. Such a concept game needs a good population to work, and in today's world, the easymode wow-clone style mmo is what the joe average mmo player masses play.. Are there 5000 players for DF? 10,000? or 150?
To the OP: You write that people spend time yapping on and on and on about the game.. Well at least these people have something constructive to say or write - they talk about something they are excited about! You, on the other hand, spend your time bitching and being negative!
I feel sorry for you
See now i'd use this as a example of how the DF fans really don't want to hear any differening opinions. Sure the OP's opinion was not something the fans would like, and really he doesn't have any facts to back it up, but it is HIS opinion just as the fan poster here has HIS opinion that DF is great and wiil do well.
Either admit you don't want to hear any opinions that don't show DF in the best light or allow people to post their opnions even if negative as long as they do it with at least some reason and respect. (I'm not talking about the "OMG DF is soo gonna suxxor because i say so posts" I respect those just as much as the "OMG DF is so gonna rock its graphics totally kick AoC's and LoTRO to the side" posts)
I don't entirely agree..
The reason I wrote as I did, is - as you also state - that the OP has no valid arguments at all.. I write nothing fanboish about the game - I only state that I find the text of the OP depressing at best.. If you only have negative things to say about a game, why bother going into the forum to write a long post about what you think will fail? I just dont get it...
My only hope is when dark fall is released they will keep the game running even if turns out to be very unfinished.
The problem with small companies is they really struggle to survive and so far only the Eve Online guys did it ... dont forget they almost bankrupt after the game was out for more then a year ( and WoW / EQ came out )
imo DF will be quite buggy and the biggest over hyped fans now will turn into trolls.
DF is something Iam willing to try out and probably play after a year when its patched fixed etc..
Here's my prediction. Darkfall will become the single most popular game since the Earth first formed 4.5 billion years ago. Darkfall will cure most common afflictions including Aids and all types of cancer. Darkfall will teach all of the peoples of the world to live in perfect harmony and war will be a thing of the past. Darkfall will be picked up by Alien races and make them realize that humans must be far superior to make such a perfect creation so they will come to Earth to meet Tasos and declare him all mighty god of the Universe. Darkfall will teach people to communicate with all other forms of life including all plants and animals.
Hey, my predictions are just as valid as anyone else's in this forum that has never played the game so try not to laugh to hard while reading them. They "could" come true after all no matter how unlikely.... just like most of the other predictions in this thread!
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I mean we can all dream nothing wrong with that, but since none of us AFIAK have ever actually played the game I'll tend not to believe the "Darkfall has graphics better then AoC or LoTRO's during its 200vs200 batles" hype i hear. Who knows maybe I'll be wrong? Maybe you'll be right and DF can cure cancer, though I hope you'll forgive me if i don't believe gods gonna use miracles on a MMO.
I think the title for theis thread should be something like "The Fall of Narrowminded thinking" instead. Maybe people will see there is more then one way to play a MMO. And for this thread, all i can see id fear. Plain fear. Either fear that DF wil fail...or succed and destroy the mainstream idea of what a MMO is.
Ah yes and then there is the DF fan that thinks everyone that doesn't believe the hype has some kinda Phobia. Yes we've heard it all from the fans time and time again "When Darkfall comes out those WoW playing carbears are gonna crap all over themselves, their that scared of Df!"
So what exactly do you think the Op and the rest of us with doubts are doing right now? Popping valuim, covering under our computer desk with loaded weapons waiting for the DF police to come pick us up and and take us to some secret aventurine reeducation camp where we will never be seen from again?
Well I gues its your opinion can't much argue against that.
PS. I do appreciate all the fans popping in and giving good examples of why people might not be to crazy about this game due to the kind,reasonable,mature and tolerant community itself.
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Sounds like he understood it way before you came here and decided to laugh at him.
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You win this one..
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Because I enjoy talking about DF. Even if its the same old thing said a hundred different times. Even if its negative, or the most positive rantings of a rabid fanboi.
What I dislike is people who try to stifle the conversation by calling people trolls, and saying there's no reason to have the discussion.
edit: How the heck do you think I got this post count?
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Darkfalls so revolutionary it uninstalls itself.
Jepp, you might be right and DF might fail. Why shouldn`t, it when every large mmo company after WOW have failed. Even Blizzard would fail if they tried to make another game than WOW at the moment. A small indie company with a base in Greece can`t possible make what appears to be the greatest game in years. Happy now?
Some of us still have a hope that this time it might be right. We are not many left from the old days of mmo`s, and belive me you have no... absolutly no idea how fun a decent full-loot mmo can be unless you have been there. That`s might be one reason why some fanbois react the way they do.
Aventurine is a small company founded by oldtime gamers. I do belive they are trying to make a good game, but honestly I don`t know if they can pull it off the way they want to. I was in before the last guildbeta years ago, and I know I might be dissapointed again. But the reward if they make a good full-loot mmo is to big to leave it alone.
"Darkfall is simply to good to be true" is what we hear all the time, but what if it is true?
Eh, he did a better job than those like TenSpotting, but do not be fooled by the length of the post. He stated his opinion, but he did not give any supporting reasons for his opinion beyond an obvious fallacy (over-hype that this game most definitely does not have, and which is not directly related to sucess or failure). To be well thought out, it would have had to have logical and sound supporting arguments.
That said, it was a good post for an opinion post, and better than the ever-idiotic troll that calls itself TenSpotting. However, this is the bare minimum of acceptability, and you will get no applause from me for just that.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Hype? what hype? I thought most people, fans and trolls alike, were complaining for the lack of hype pre-launch.
I have to agree with OP. I'm a massive skeptic (aka troll/non believer/infedel) of this game/cult/religion, and even I am starting to get a little excited about it possibly coming out next year. but I agree with OP no way it will live up to the hype. My moneys that its the buggiest unfinished game ever launched when it does, but theres a small chance of a miracle and I am wrong.
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To the OP: I disagree that this game could be a huge failure because of all the hype.
There are so many games hyped much, much more than Darkfall. The only reason it seems like it is hyped is because you frequent MMO forums and follow the genre. If you are not a veteran MMORPG player, I highly doubt you would of heard about Darkfall.
And my prediction? I think Darkfall will have a very solid start, but then weed out to a loyal subscriber base of a little over 100k. I think some peoples expectations are sky high and will be impossible to meet, and they will be dissapointed. But for those realistic people who are looking for this type of game, I think they will be happily satisfied.
Yea, just like AoC, except its not an instanced, mass marketed fraud. IMHO, AoC was/is a fraud.
Here's my prediction. Darkfall will become the single most popular game since the Earth first formed 4.5 billion years ago. Darkfall will cure most common afflictions including Aids and all types of cancer. Darkfall will teach all of the peoples of the world to live in perfect harmony and war will be a thing of the past. Darkfall will be picked up by Alien races and make them realize that humans must be far superior to make such a perfect creation so they will come to Earth to meet Tasos and declare him all mighty god of the Universe. Darkfall will teach people to communicate with all other forms of life including all plants and animals.
Hey, my predictions are just as valid as anyone else's in this forum that has never played the game so try not to laugh to hard while reading them. They "could" come true after all no matter how unlikely.... just like most of the other predictions in this thread!
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DarkFall has an interest from the ground level. There is no multi million dollar publicity launch. No fancy advertisements with half naked chicks. Just word of mouth, and individuals coming to their own conclusions. The hype stems from drama queens, who want attention and make antagonizing posts. They are refugees who move from game to game, trying to get a bit of attention.
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I think the title for theis thread should be something like "The Fall of Narrowminded thinking" instead. Maybe people will see there is more then one way to play a MMO. And for this thread, all i can see id fear. Plain fear. Either fear that DF wil fail...or succed and destroy the mainstream idea of what a MMO is.
I would DEFINITLY argue that, Not that its Failure, but that Warhammer didn't fail harder. Atleast AoC has STUNNING graphics. Warhammer has crappier graphics then WoW which is a half a decade older.
I agree with the OP. If DF ever does release it will be a mess. That's why they're scared shitless of letting anyone with an ounce of critical awareness near it.
Yes this is exactly what I mean. It is the trolls who are playing this overhype card and it is getting old.
I mean seriously do you ever see even a minority of the fanbase going around and typing "oh holy tasos has proclaimed this game to be the best and it is mark my words". Of course not...most of the fans are also skeptics but we have a little more faith in taking what the developers say as truth while others cry conspiracy.
This game is definitely not overhyped. It is underhyped and if anything has the lowest expectations by the general public that a game has had in a long time.
Sorry to call you out, but your lying. I've seen more then a few fans recently post DF will have 200 vs 200 battles (something aventurine has never said) or that DF's graphics are better then AoC's / LoTRO. The game IS overhyped to a extreme point were its created unrealistic expectation IMO. The fans are just hurting DF more and more bye posting unrelistic hype and getting expectations up to a point there is simply no way DF can live up to the hype. (And no it wasn't trolls posting these things.)
And as far as the troll war goes. One doesn't have to say they think DF is Vaporware, nore do they even have to say they think DF will be bad, all they have to do is disagree with the hype or doubt and the fans will call them trolls. (ie I disagree with the hype that DF's graphics are better then AoC's, I also after waiting 12 weeks from the May announcement that a video would be out "soon" doubted there would be one in august. Yes i was wrong and yes i was one of the first to congratulate the fans when it did come out but I am labled a troll <shrug>)
Sad part is i guess the rabid fans here just can't see what they themselves are doing. When a troll posts guess what? The thread gets bumped and more people see/hear about DF in effect its a good thing. Yes now you can argue but the troll is saying bad things about the game, but really i give credit to most of the readers here at MMORPG to actually be able to figure out somewhat for themselves what is trolling (Not hard really considering no fans or trolls have played this game thus everyone is basically just posting unproven opinions.) However when the fans post they have a tendency to do it in such away as to actually make people say "God! Would i really want to play with this lot?!" ie. A recent thread here by a fan had almost evey post in it stating something demeaning about anyone that plays WoW. Ok fine so the DF fan hates people who play wow, but actually i know several wow players that are interested in DF do you really want to say in effect "Hey if you play wow don't even bother coming to DF because because you'll just excrete all over yourself !"? Then of course theres the DF fans that can't just be happy with good anouncements for DF they have to start making threads baiting trolls with almost eveyone of several posts being something like "oh where are the trolls now," or "Oh i can't wait for the trolls to show up so i can educate them again." etc etc etc. adnasium. Yeah the trolls are bad, but its always sadder when the Fanbois make the trolls look mature.
if you really want to discuss DF fine, but cut with the us vs them believer or your a troll, don't even disagree with us line you've created. (A) agree to be able to disagree. (B) Understand that while no ones played the game so they can't prove DF is bad, neither have you and you can'y prove its good. Its all just opinions and no yours is not always the right one but sometimes it might be.
Everyone (myself included) needs to lighten up and stop trying to be the damn fanboi / troll police and Understand its just a game, and at this point its all mainly just opinion with very little factual wrong or right.
People want you to play the same game as them. It makes for a more active and healthier community, as well as a more financially equipped company to keep the game running smoothly. I wouldn't trust 100% I read or hear, even from my friends, when it comes to MMOs (yea I guess I take it too seriously). Find which games interest you, do your research, try it out on your own. A troll has the same negative effects as a fan, odds are if somone is reading this forum they know full well what Darkfall consists of. I personally would be dissapointed if they release in the next month because I dont think that they can pop up just a month after lich king and 2 months after warhammer. Give some time for these games to lose hype IMO.
I think the error in OP's logic is in that he believes PR stunts, and advertising = Good Product.
Lets look back at other epic failures. For example; Warhamer Online: Age of Suckining. Had very good exposure, lots of people had a chance to play this game befor release, many beta accounts, and overwhemlingly positive feedback. Age of Conan, had great PR, lots of interviews with the Devs, and tons of promisses on stuff we never really saw. The only evidence we'll get of a GOOD product, is a GOOD product. Bull$H*T is just that.. A load of crap, and no matter how well you gift wrap it, IT STINKS!
Yea, just like AoC
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See now i'd use this as a example of how the DF fans really don't want to hear any differening opinions. Sure the OP's opinion was not something the fans would like, and really he doesn't have any facts to back it up, but it is HIS opinion just as the fan poster here has HIS opinion that DF is great and wiil do well.
Either admit you don't want to hear any opinions that don't show DF in the best light or allow people to post their opnions even if negative as long as they do it with at least some reason and respect. (I'm not talking about the "OMG DF is soo gonna suxxor because i say so posts" I respect those just as much as the "OMG DF is so gonna rock its graphics totally kick AoC's and LoTRO to the side" posts)
See now i'd use this as a example of how the DF fans really don't want to hear any differening opinions. Sure the OP's opinion was not something the fans would like, and really he doesn't have any facts to back it up, but it is HIS opinion just as the fan poster here has HIS opinion that DF is great and wiil do well.
Either admit you don't want to hear any opinions that don't show DF in the best light or allow people to post their opnions even if negative as long as they do it with at least some reason and respect. (I'm not talking about the "OMG DF is soo gonna suxxor because i say so posts" I respect those just as much as the "OMG DF is so gonna rock its graphics totally kick AoC's and LoTRO to the side" posts)
How Dare you??
You are not allowed to use your brain when posting.
The Great Tasos looks disfavorably on you..
"Luckily I know that while you make nonsnese baiting threads that get locked....threads I make get sticked by the mods on this forum...." -imbant (greatest board warrior EVER)
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huh, I am going to go out on a limb and assume that you are relatively new to the world of mmos? AoC was relatively tame as far as bad releases go, and it delivered pretty much what I expected (wow-style clone game with the extra combat mechanism). No I don't play it anymore, not my thing, so I am not just defending it due to fanboism.
You want an epic failure release? Look up Dark and Light.
AoC was just perfect, compared to dnl
Edit: As for DF's hype.. it has it. Sure you get the people yelling about how its a scam or it will fail and all that, but you get all the people screaming about how this is going to be THE mmo.
Why do I think DF might not do so well (assuming it exists)? Population. Such a concept game needs a good population to work, and in today's world, the easymode wow-clone style mmo is what the joe average mmo player masses play.. Are there 5000 players for DF? 10,000? or 150?
We'll see what we'll see when it happens eh?
See now i'd use this as a example of how the DF fans really don't want to hear any differening opinions. Sure the OP's opinion was not something the fans would like, and really he doesn't have any facts to back it up, but it is HIS opinion just as the fan poster here has HIS opinion that DF is great and wiil do well.
Either admit you don't want to hear any opinions that don't show DF in the best light or allow people to post their opnions even if negative as long as they do it with at least some reason and respect. (I'm not talking about the "OMG DF is soo gonna suxxor because i say so posts" I respect those just as much as the "OMG DF is so gonna rock its graphics totally kick AoC's and LoTRO to the side" posts)
I don't entirely agree..
The reason I wrote as I did, is - as you also state - that the OP has no valid arguments at all.. I write nothing fanboish about the game - I only state that I find the text of the OP depressing at best.. If you only have negative things to say about a game, why bother going into the forum to write a long post about what you think will fail? I just dont get it...
Dont believe in miracles.
My only hope is when dark fall is released they will keep the game running even if turns out to be very unfinished.
The problem with small companies is they really struggle to survive and so far only the Eve Online guys did it ... dont forget they almost bankrupt after the game was out for more then a year ( and WoW / EQ came out )
imo DF will be quite buggy and the biggest over hyped fans now will turn into trolls.
DF is something Iam willing to try out and probably play after a year when its patched fixed etc..
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
yes your opinions are just as good as anyone else
I mean we can all dream nothing wrong with that, but since none of us AFIAK have ever actually played the game I'll tend not to believe the "Darkfall has graphics better then AoC or LoTRO's during its 200vs200 batles" hype i hear. Who knows maybe I'll be wrong? Maybe you'll be right and DF can cure cancer, though I hope you'll forgive me if i don't believe gods gonna use miracles on a MMO.
*edited due to double negative
Ah yes and then there is the DF fan that thinks everyone that doesn't believe the hype has some kinda Phobia. Yes we've heard it all from the fans time and time again "When Darkfall comes out those WoW playing carbears are gonna crap all over themselves, their that scared of Df!"
So what exactly do you think the Op and the rest of us with doubts are doing right now? Popping valuim, covering under our computer desk with loaded weapons waiting for the DF police to come pick us up and and take us to some secret aventurine reeducation camp where we will never be seen from again?
Well I gues its your opinion can't much argue against that.
PS. I do appreciate all the fans popping in and giving good examples of why people might not be to crazy about this game due to the kind,reasonable,mature and tolerant community itself.