... Over the course of the last 3 months, the developers have also announced the following:
Darkfall Open Beta will end in early December. They are still on track and are confident that they will be releasing the game in 2008.
Open Beta has not yet started and they only have about a month to meet their 2008 deadline so we will all have to wait patiently to see if they meet their goal or if they hit a snag in the road and have to delay. Most reports from the beta and journalists are positive and make it seem like the game could be ready, but as we all know from past game releases that this is never something to be trusted so all that we can do is wait and see.
That part I high-lighted above is my biggest problem with Aventurine/Tasos and why I feel some of the supporters are being naive and/or deceptive when they say that they are the most trust-worthy Devs of any MMO.
How can anyone honestly say that at this late juncture that Tasos isn't being deceptive about what the state of the game is in? Obviously they know by now when/if they will be doing an Open Beta before the end of the year.
Let's say that I believe them about not knowing for sure if/when the game will release by the end of year. Although even that is becoming very problematic as they realistically have less than a month (unless someone knows of a game that has ever released between Dec. 26th and Jan. 1st).
But for them not to have any details about Open Beta out yet... which was slated to be FINISHED by the beginning of December is a bit hard to swallow.
Again... it is not about them releasing in 2008. If it needs to be pushed back or delayed, so be it. It is not about them making good on their stead-fast declarations that it will release in 2008; it should release when it is ready.
For me anyway... it is about them communicating with their fans. Communicating with those who they expect to pay for their product. Changing the mistakes of the past. In 2005 when the Clan Beta did not materliaze there was zero explanation as to why. Even to this day it is never discussed or explained what happened. I am hoping that 2008 does not end with the same silence.
Only reason the devs are being so deceptive is because they see all the hype on the forums and their realizing their product is sht and won't live up to the hype so their keeping quiet. Tasos will be the laughing-stock of these forums when df is released.
I watched several vids on df and all I can say is wow, that game is junk. Sub-par graphics and the worst animations I have ever seen are more then enough to make this game fail hard. Oh well, R.I.P. df/aventurine ( I hope they didn't put alot of money into this game because their gonna go bankrupt lol)
In 2005 when the Clan Beta did not materliaze there was zero explanation as to why. Even to this day it is never discussed or explained what happened. I am hoping that 2008 does not end with the same silence.
I read in an interview somewhere they accually gave up DF at some point.
Still as an old follower im baffled by the huge amount of info we now get. We had nothing for years and now we get info month after month.
It`s like a myth slowly reveal it self in thick mist. I`m not sure it`s real or not, but there is definitive something happening.
I'm happy to see that it looks like...well, that SOMETHING is happening.
I'm not putting any hopes into this one though. I followed this game since it was first announced, and about all it has convinced me of is to not trust these guys as far as I could throw them.
The game may come out, but until I'm proved otherwise I'll rank it about one rung higher than Mourning or DnL.
It's especially telling how well DF is doing from the failtrolls having moved from "roflvapurz" to "this game will fail". It's still vaporware... but I hope the game doesn't fail if it ever does come out! aside from minor detractions like female elf running animation, all the new stuff has been nothing short of great. I wouldn't consider horrible animations a "minor detractor".... but that's just me. I haven't seen any good animations in the Darkfall videos yet.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Added the Giana reviews (with direct links that the other threads didnt have)
Please remember that comments in this thread should stick to discussing the information in the OP and is purely meant as a resource for this forum to refer people to when they ask for links. This is NOT a thread to discuss your personal views of DF being real, having a chance at 2008 release, bad or good graphics...etc....please take those comments to pretty much any other thread in this forum
IF you see any mistakes in OP or have suggestions please let me know
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
So thats the combat? Reminds me of a HL2 mod think its called pirates,knights and vikings or in some order like that. Wasnt a bad mod and combat was kinda interesting but balance was off.
Forgot which link but the one where the knights were jumping glaciers to fight a bunch of bots looked interesting.
So thats the combat? Reminds me of a HL2 mod think its called pirates,knights and vikings or in some order like that. Wasnt a bad mod and combat was kinda interesting but balance was off. Forgot which link but the one where the knights were jumping glaciers to fight a bunch of bots looked interesting. Any vids of crafting or gathering?
No videos yet that show indepth explanations of crafting or gathering yet that I know of. Probably something youll see during open beta if you dont try it for yourself that is.
Never played that mod you are talking about so I can't comment on that.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Thank you TRD. This thread is intended to be a resource for those who don't have the time to read up on every little update about DF, and it has already been used successfully so I would like to keep it updated without having it derail into the same old arguements that end up getting locked. It is a reasonable request and im trying to keep the OP as factual as possible.
-edit because i typed this as you were cleaning the thread-
There are other threads to discuss things like release dates, graphic quality, development status, etc etc etc....this is not one of them. It is something to help the community and thats it.
Please reply with posts that point out errors I made in the OP, things I missed, or suggestions to make it more visually appealing (already had someone suggest to change the font size and im going to work on that). Please don't read that as me telling you how to post...it is just I would like to have a thread that doesn't derail.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
... Over the course of the last 3 months, the developers have also announced the following:
Darkfall Open Beta will end in early December. They are still on track and are confident that they will be releasing the game in 2008.
Open Beta has not yet started and they only have about a month to meet their 2008 deadline so we will all have to wait patiently to see if they meet their goal or if they hit a snag in the road and have to delay. Most reports from the beta and journalists are positive and make it seem like the game could be ready, but as we all know from past game releases that this is never something to be trusted so all that we can do is wait and see.
That part I high-lighted above is my biggest problem with Aventurine/Tasos and why I feel some of the supporters are being naive and/or deceptive when they say that they are the most trust-worthy Devs of any MMO.
How can anyone honestly say that at this late juncture that Tasos isn't being deceptive about what the state of the game is in? Obviously they know by now when/if they will be doing an Open Beta before the end of the year.
Let's say that I believe them about not knowing for sure if/when the game will release by the end of year. Although even that is becoming very problematic as they realistically have less than a month (unless someone knows of a game that has ever released between Dec. 26th and Jan. 1st).
But for them not to have any details about Open Beta out yet... which was slated to be FINISHED by the beginning of December is a bit hard to swallow.
Again... it is not about them releasing in 2008. If it needs to be pushed back or delayed, so be it. It is not about them making good on their stead-fast declarations that it will release in 2008; it should release when it is ready.
For me anyway... it is about them communicating with their fans. Communicating with those who they expect to pay for their product. Changing the mistakes of the past. In 2005 when the Clan Beta did not materliaze there was zero explanation as to why. Even to this day it is never discussed or explained what happened. I am hoping that 2008 does not end with the same silence.
In my opinion I am assuming/hoping that the dervs are not responding purely because they are busy going about thier business, I also do not think we should be concered if it fails to meet the 2008 deadline. If they are clever they will make the game correctly first time and avoid the mistakes like AoC & WAR have by leaving out content which needed to be there from the off.
I think it is great that the dervs ignore posters request for more and more of the game to be shown to feed their needs. I like the fact that they are also not trying to over hype the game and pretty much letting all the boards do that for them, either great PR or purely by accident I feel this will have a better impact for their game. Okay you may say they can not beat advertising, but even the negative posting is getting aired all over which means people are talking about the game in some form or another and this can only be good.
The old cliche of the proof is in the pudding, or in our case playing, will like all other games either make or break this product. This game will not be for every player and will even maybe suprise many people too and I think many of the people who have been calling it all doom and gloom may just have to eat a little humble pie in the not to distant future.
The other side of it is if it does fail to provide people with the fun factor they are looking for then it will fall by the wayside and be added to the bottom of peoples profiles as just another MMO.
HEY OP, seriously, what do you mean Gianna is fairly unbiased? If she had any closer ties to Tasos and company, she'd be married to them. She is a friend of their's that they've been gaming with for years. Not only that, Aventurine hosts her website. So please, correct your post as it is an obviously wrong.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
... Over the course of the last 3 months, the developers have also announced the following:
Darkfall Open Beta will end in early December. They are still on track and are confident that they will be releasing the game in 2008.
Open Beta has not yet started and they only have about a month to meet their 2008 deadline so we will all have to wait patiently to see if they meet their goal or if they hit a snag in the road and have to delay. Most reports from the beta and journalists are positive and make it seem like the game could be ready, but as we all know from past game releases that this is never something to be trusted so all that we can do is wait and see.
That part I high-lighted above is my biggest problem with Aventurine/Tasos and why I feel some of the supporters are being naive and/or deceptive when they say that they are the most trust-worthy Devs of any MMO.
How can anyone honestly say that at this late juncture that Tasos isn't being deceptive about what the state of the game is in? Obviously they know by now when/if they will be doing an Open Beta before the end of the year.
Let's say that I believe them about not knowing for sure if/when the game will release by the end of year. Although even that is becoming very problematic as they realistically have less than a month (unless someone knows of a game that has ever released between Dec. 26th and Jan. 1st).
But for them not to have any details about Open Beta out yet... which was slated to be FINISHED by the beginning of December is a bit hard to swallow.
Again... it is not about them releasing in 2008. If it needs to be pushed back or delayed, so be it. It is not about them making good on their stead-fast declarations that it will release in 2008; it should release when it is ready.
For me anyway... it is about them communicating with their fans. Communicating with those who they expect to pay for their product. Changing the mistakes of the past. In 2005 when the Clan Beta did not materliaze there was zero explanation as to why. Even to this day it is never discussed or explained what happened. I am hoping that 2008 does not end with the same silence.
Only reason the devs are being so deceptive is because they see all the hype on the forums and their realizing their product is sht and won't live up to the hype so their keeping quiet. Tasos will be the laughing-stock of these forums when df is released.
I watched several vids on df and all I can say is wow, that game is junk. Sub-par graphics and the worst animations I have ever seen are more then enough to make this game fail hard. Oh well, R.I.P. df/aventurine ( I hope they didn't put alot of money into this game because their gonna go bankrupt lol)
The problem here is, alot of people don't really give two shits about the graphics and animation. What we're all waiting for is a sandbox world with awesome PvP. If Darkfall can offer this, then I don't care if the models/animations are as hideous as a 300kg naked fat woman with one leg .... on a trampoline.
HEY OP, seriously, what do you mean Gianna is fairly unbiased? If she had any closer ties to Tasos and company, she'd be married to them. She is a friend of their's that they've been gaming with for years. Not only that, Aventurine hosts her website. So please, correct your post as it is an obviously wrong.
Shannia,
When I first posted the links to the Gianna updates I noted that she has a personal relationship with Tasos and Claus. That is sufficient because anything beyond that is just speculation. If you can find proof or make a valid arguement that her review is influenced by them, then please post it.
Her review contains both positive and negative aspects so from what I can tell it is pretty unbiased.
Also just updated OP with part 3.
Please remember to stay on topic everyone else. Mods have had to clean this thread a few times and i will continue to report posts that are only here to discuss graphics, development chances, wheter tasos is telling the truth etc....this is not the topic of the thread.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Thank you TRD. This thread is intended to be a resource for those who don't have the time to read up on every little update about DF, and it has already been used successfully so I would like to keep it updated without having it derail into the same old arguements that end up getting locked. It is a reasonable request and im trying to keep the OP as factual as possible.
-edit because i typed this as you were cleaning the thread-
There are other threads to discuss things like release dates, graphic quality, development status, etc etc etc....this is not one of them. It is something to help the community and thats it.
Please reply with posts that point out errors I made in the OP, things I missed, or suggestions to make it more visually appealing (already had someone suggest to change the font size and im going to work on that). Please don't read that as me telling you how to post...it is just I would like to have a thread that doesn't derail.
Great post imbant and very informative, just a shame they can't sticky this after corrections. just a shame that this site is on self destruct and has no moderation.
Well done nice effort.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Thank you TRD. This thread is intended to be a resource for those who don't have the time to read up on every little update about DF, and it has already been used successfully so I would like to keep it updated without having it derail into the same old arguements that end up getting locked. It is a reasonable request and im trying to keep the OP as factual as possible.
-edit because i typed this as you were cleaning the thread-
There are other threads to discuss things like release dates, graphic quality, development status, etc etc etc....this is not one of them. It is something to help the community and thats it.
Please reply with posts that point out errors I made in the OP, things I missed, or suggestions to make it more visually appealing (already had someone suggest to change the font size and im going to work on that). Please don't read that as me telling you how to post...it is just I would like to have a thread that doesn't derail.
Great post imbant and very informative, just a shame they can't sticky this after corrections. just a shame that this site is on self destruct and has no moderation.
Well done nice effort.
Thanks man
And yea it would be nice to have it as a sticky...the mods would be more than welcome to edit my OP however they would like to make it appropriate of one. But so far the mods have done a good job of removing the off topic posts in this thread on request...especially the ones that just go "you cant tell me how to post you arent my dad" lol.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Thanks Imbant, for the work in making this thread and keeping it updated.
to MMORPG.com, any chance of a sticky for this?
Welcome
{edited to leave no room for offtopic nonsense}
I was just getting tired of people making posts that showed they had missed some of the more recent updates.
Or when people ask for links to specific things and people say "go to the official forums" which can sometimes turn people off and just quit looking.
As far as a sticky goes it would be great to have it as one if enough people would like to see it as one. Possibly ask Seggalion (sp) as he seems to be a guide that has a few stickies in this forum about how to do it.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Thanks Imbant, for the work in making this thread and keeping it updated.
to MMORPG.com, any chance of a sticky for this?
Welcome
{edited to leave no room for offtopic nonsense}
I was just getting tired of people making posts that showed they had missed some of the more recent updates.
Or when people ask for links to specific things and people say "go to the official forums" which can sometimes turn people off and just quit looking.
As far as a sticky goes it would be great to have it as one if enough people would like to see it as one. Possibly ask Seggalion (sp) as he seems to be a guide that has a few stickies in this forum about how to do it.
One thing you may want to mention on that post as well... not sure where would be a good place.
But I think it would be good to tell new people to NOT just read the FAQ on the official site. There is quite a bit of stuff in there that is now out-dated. There are a few decent links inside the offical forums to fairly updated lists of the Features and Dev-quotes, so you might want to think about a link to those as well. Just a thought.
Thanks Imbant, for the work in making this thread and keeping it updated.
to MMORPG.com, any chance of a sticky for this?
Welcome
{edited to leave no room for offtopic nonsense}
I was just getting tired of people making posts that showed they had missed some of the more recent updates.
Or when people ask for links to specific things and people say "go to the official forums" which can sometimes turn people off and just quit looking.
As far as a sticky goes it would be great to have it as one if enough people would like to see it as one. Possibly ask Seggalion (sp) as he seems to be a guide that has a few stickies in this forum about how to do it.
One thing you may want to mention on that post as well... not sure where would be a good place.
But I think it would be good to tell new people to NOT just read the FAQ on the official site. There is quite a bit of stuff in there that is now out-dated. There are a few decent links inside the offical forums to fairly updated lists of the Features and Dev-quotes, so you might want to think about a link to those as well. Just a thought.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Most of times open beta is only 1 or 2 weeks so its all still posible for this year:)
But if not ill wait patiencely untill its released, but im convinced it will just not when:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
can add zomg RELEASE DATE to this summary too now.
regardless of the length of time DF has been in development, i don't think many people can complain about how Aventurine have delivered the goods in the past few months.
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"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Comments
That part I high-lighted above is my biggest problem with Aventurine/Tasos and why I feel some of the supporters are being naive and/or deceptive when they say that they are the most trust-worthy Devs of any MMO.
How can anyone honestly say that at this late juncture that Tasos isn't being deceptive about what the state of the game is in? Obviously they know by now when/if they will be doing an Open Beta before the end of the year.
Let's say that I believe them about not knowing for sure if/when the game will release by the end of year. Although even that is becoming very problematic as they realistically have less than a month (unless someone knows of a game that has ever released between Dec. 26th and Jan. 1st).
But for them not to have any details about Open Beta out yet... which was slated to be FINISHED by the beginning of December is a bit hard to swallow.
Again... it is not about them releasing in 2008. If it needs to be pushed back or delayed, so be it. It is not about them making good on their stead-fast declarations that it will release in 2008; it should release when it is ready.
For me anyway... it is about them communicating with their fans. Communicating with those who they expect to pay for their product. Changing the mistakes of the past. In 2005 when the Clan Beta did not materliaze there was zero explanation as to why. Even to this day it is never discussed or explained what happened. I am hoping that 2008 does not end with the same silence.
Only reason the devs are being so deceptive is because they see all the hype on the forums and their realizing their product is sht and won't live up to the hype so their keeping quiet. Tasos will be the laughing-stock of these forums when df is released.
I watched several vids on df and all I can say is wow, that game is junk. Sub-par graphics and the worst animations I have ever seen are more then enough to make this game fail hard. Oh well, R.I.P. df/aventurine ( I hope they didn't put alot of money into this game because their gonna go bankrupt lol)
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
I read in an interview somewhere they accually gave up DF at some point.
Still as an old follower im baffled by the huge amount of info we now get. We had nothing for years and now we get info month after month.
It`s like a myth slowly reveal it self in thick mist. I`m not sure it`s real or not, but there is definitive something happening.
It's especially telling how well DF is doing from the failtrolls having moved from "roflvapurz" to "this game will fail".
aside from minor detractions like female elf running animation, all the new stuff has been nothing short of great.
I'm happy to see that it looks like...well, that SOMETHING is happening.
I'm not putting any hopes into this one though. I followed this game since it was first announced, and about all it has convinced me of is to not trust these guys as far as I could throw them.
The game may come out, but until I'm proved otherwise I'll rank it about one rung higher than Mourning or DnL.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Added the Giana reviews (with direct links that the other threads didnt have)
Please remember that comments in this thread should stick to discussing the information in the OP and is purely meant as a resource for this forum to refer people to when they ask for links. This is NOT a thread to discuss your personal views of DF being real, having a chance at 2008 release, bad or good graphics...etc....please take those comments to pretty much any other thread in this forum
IF you see any mistakes in OP or have suggestions please let me know
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
So thats the combat? Reminds me of a HL2 mod think its called pirates,knights and vikings or in some order like that. Wasnt a bad mod and combat was kinda interesting but balance was off.
Forgot which link but the one where the knights were jumping glaciers to fight a bunch of bots looked interesting.
Any vids of crafting or gathering?
No videos yet that show indepth explanations of crafting or gathering yet that I know of. Probably something youll see during open beta if you dont try it for yourself that is.
Never played that mod you are talking about so I can't comment on that.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
A friendly reminder: Please stay on topic.
TRD
Thank you TRD. This thread is intended to be a resource for those who don't have the time to read up on every little update about DF, and it has already been used successfully so I would like to keep it updated without having it derail into the same old arguements that end up getting locked. It is a reasonable request and im trying to keep the OP as factual as possible.
-edit because i typed this as you were cleaning the thread-
There are other threads to discuss things like release dates, graphic quality, development status, etc etc etc....this is not one of them. It is something to help the community and thats it.
Please reply with posts that point out errors I made in the OP, things I missed, or suggestions to make it more visually appealing (already had someone suggest to change the font size and im going to work on that). Please don't read that as me telling you how to post...it is just I would like to have a thread that doesn't derail.
~~
Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
That part I high-lighted above is my biggest problem with Aventurine/Tasos and why I feel some of the supporters are being naive and/or deceptive when they say that they are the most trust-worthy Devs of any MMO.
How can anyone honestly say that at this late juncture that Tasos isn't being deceptive about what the state of the game is in? Obviously they know by now when/if they will be doing an Open Beta before the end of the year.
Let's say that I believe them about not knowing for sure if/when the game will release by the end of year. Although even that is becoming very problematic as they realistically have less than a month (unless someone knows of a game that has ever released between Dec. 26th and Jan. 1st).
But for them not to have any details about Open Beta out yet... which was slated to be FINISHED by the beginning of December is a bit hard to swallow.
Again... it is not about them releasing in 2008. If it needs to be pushed back or delayed, so be it. It is not about them making good on their stead-fast declarations that it will release in 2008; it should release when it is ready.
For me anyway... it is about them communicating with their fans. Communicating with those who they expect to pay for their product. Changing the mistakes of the past. In 2005 when the Clan Beta did not materliaze there was zero explanation as to why. Even to this day it is never discussed or explained what happened. I am hoping that 2008 does not end with the same silence.
In my opinion I am assuming/hoping that the dervs are not responding purely because they are busy going about thier business, I also do not think we should be concered if it fails to meet the 2008 deadline. If they are clever they will make the game correctly first time and avoid the mistakes like AoC & WAR have by leaving out content which needed to be there from the off.
I think it is great that the dervs ignore posters request for more and more of the game to be shown to feed their needs. I like the fact that they are also not trying to over hype the game and pretty much letting all the boards do that for them, either great PR or purely by accident I feel this will have a better impact for their game. Okay you may say they can not beat advertising, but even the negative posting is getting aired all over which means people are talking about the game in some form or another and this can only be good.
The old cliche of the proof is in the pudding, or in our case playing, will like all other games either make or break this product. This game will not be for every player and will even maybe suprise many people too and I think many of the people who have been calling it all doom and gloom may just have to eat a little humble pie in the not to distant future.
The other side of it is if it does fail to provide people with the fun factor they are looking for then it will fall by the wayside and be added to the bottom of peoples profiles as just another MMO.
Asbo
HEY OP, seriously, what do you mean Gianna is fairly unbiased? If she had any closer ties to Tasos and company, she'd be married to them. She is a friend of their's that they've been gaming with for years. Not only that, Aventurine hosts her website. So please, correct your post as it is an obviously wrong.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
That part I high-lighted above is my biggest problem with Aventurine/Tasos and why I feel some of the supporters are being naive and/or deceptive when they say that they are the most trust-worthy Devs of any MMO.
How can anyone honestly say that at this late juncture that Tasos isn't being deceptive about what the state of the game is in? Obviously they know by now when/if they will be doing an Open Beta before the end of the year.
Let's say that I believe them about not knowing for sure if/when the game will release by the end of year. Although even that is becoming very problematic as they realistically have less than a month (unless someone knows of a game that has ever released between Dec. 26th and Jan. 1st).
But for them not to have any details about Open Beta out yet... which was slated to be FINISHED by the beginning of December is a bit hard to swallow.
Again... it is not about them releasing in 2008. If it needs to be pushed back or delayed, so be it. It is not about them making good on their stead-fast declarations that it will release in 2008; it should release when it is ready.
For me anyway... it is about them communicating with their fans. Communicating with those who they expect to pay for their product. Changing the mistakes of the past. In 2005 when the Clan Beta did not materliaze there was zero explanation as to why. Even to this day it is never discussed or explained what happened. I am hoping that 2008 does not end with the same silence.
Only reason the devs are being so deceptive is because they see all the hype on the forums and their realizing their product is sht and won't live up to the hype so their keeping quiet. Tasos will be the laughing-stock of these forums when df is released.
I watched several vids on df and all I can say is wow, that game is junk. Sub-par graphics and the worst animations I have ever seen are more then enough to make this game fail hard. Oh well, R.I.P. df/aventurine ( I hope they didn't put alot of money into this game because their gonna go bankrupt lol)
The problem here is, alot of people don't really give two shits about the graphics and animation. What we're all waiting for is a sandbox world with awesome PvP. If Darkfall can offer this, then I don't care if the models/animations are as hideous as a 300kg naked fat woman with one leg .... on a trampoline.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Shannia,
When I first posted the links to the Gianna updates I noted that she has a personal relationship with Tasos and Claus. That is sufficient because anything beyond that is just speculation. If you can find proof or make a valid arguement that her review is influenced by them, then please post it.
Her review contains both positive and negative aspects so from what I can tell it is pretty unbiased.
Also just updated OP with part 3.
Please remember to stay on topic everyone else. Mods have had to clean this thread a few times and i will continue to report posts that are only here to discuss graphics, development chances, wheter tasos is telling the truth etc....this is not the topic of the thread.
Thanks
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Thank you TRD. This thread is intended to be a resource for those who don't have the time to read up on every little update about DF, and it has already been used successfully so I would like to keep it updated without having it derail into the same old arguements that end up getting locked. It is a reasonable request and im trying to keep the OP as factual as possible.
-edit because i typed this as you were cleaning the thread-
There are other threads to discuss things like release dates, graphic quality, development status, etc etc etc....this is not one of them. It is something to help the community and thats it.
Please reply with posts that point out errors I made in the OP, things I missed, or suggestions to make it more visually appealing (already had someone suggest to change the font size and im going to work on that). Please don't read that as me telling you how to post...it is just I would like to have a thread that doesn't derail.
Great post imbant and very informative, just a shame they can't sticky this after corrections. just a shame that this site is on self destruct and has no moderation.
Well done nice effort.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Thank you TRD. This thread is intended to be a resource for those who don't have the time to read up on every little update about DF, and it has already been used successfully so I would like to keep it updated without having it derail into the same old arguements that end up getting locked. It is a reasonable request and im trying to keep the OP as factual as possible.
-edit because i typed this as you were cleaning the thread-
There are other threads to discuss things like release dates, graphic quality, development status, etc etc etc....this is not one of them. It is something to help the community and thats it.
Please reply with posts that point out errors I made in the OP, things I missed, or suggestions to make it more visually appealing (already had someone suggest to change the font size and im going to work on that). Please don't read that as me telling you how to post...it is just I would like to have a thread that doesn't derail.
Great post imbant and very informative, just a shame they can't sticky this after corrections. just a shame that this site is on self destruct and has no moderation.
Well done nice effort.
Thanks man
And yea it would be nice to have it as a sticky...the mods would be more than welcome to edit my OP however they would like to make it appropriate of one. But so far the mods have done a good job of removing the off topic posts in this thread on request...especially the ones that just go "you cant tell me how to post you arent my dad" lol.
Updated OP with the Tasos MMORPG.com interview
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Thanks Imbant, for the work in making this thread and keeping it updated.
to MMORPG.com, any chance of a sticky for this?
Welcome
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I was just getting tired of people making posts that showed they had missed some of the more recent updates.
Or when people ask for links to specific things and people say "go to the official forums" which can sometimes turn people off and just quit looking.
As far as a sticky goes it would be great to have it as one if enough people would like to see it as one. Possibly ask Seggalion (sp) as he seems to be a guide that has a few stickies in this forum about how to do it.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Welcome
{edited to leave no room for offtopic nonsense}
I was just getting tired of people making posts that showed they had missed some of the more recent updates.
Or when people ask for links to specific things and people say "go to the official forums" which can sometimes turn people off and just quit looking.
As far as a sticky goes it would be great to have it as one if enough people would like to see it as one. Possibly ask Seggalion (sp) as he seems to be a guide that has a few stickies in this forum about how to do it.
One thing you may want to mention on that post as well... not sure where would be a good place.
But I think it would be good to tell new people to NOT just read the FAQ on the official site. There is quite a bit of stuff in there that is now out-dated. There are a few decent links inside the offical forums to fairly updated lists of the Features and Dev-quotes, so you might want to think about a link to those as well. Just a thought.
Welcome
{edited to leave no room for offtopic nonsense}
I was just getting tired of people making posts that showed they had missed some of the more recent updates.
Or when people ask for links to specific things and people say "go to the official forums" which can sometimes turn people off and just quit looking.
As far as a sticky goes it would be great to have it as one if enough people would like to see it as one. Possibly ask Seggalion (sp) as he seems to be a guide that has a few stickies in this forum about how to do it.
One thing you may want to mention on that post as well... not sure where would be a good place.
But I think it would be good to tell new people to NOT just read the FAQ on the official site. There is quite a bit of stuff in there that is now out-dated. There are a few decent links inside the offical forums to fairly updated lists of the Features and Dev-quotes, so you might want to think about a link to those as well. Just a thought.
Very good point...ill update it.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Most of times open beta is only 1 or 2 weeks so its all still posible for this year:)
But if not ill wait patiencely untill its released, but im convinced it will just not when:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
can add zomg RELEASE DATE to this summary too now.
regardless of the length of time DF has been in development, i don't think many people can complain about how Aventurine have delivered the goods in the past few months.
The RELEASE date fits perfectly in OP
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
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Hmmm really guys? You think this news is worthy to put in the OP....
hmmm fine ok i guess i see your point...against my better judgement ill add the release date to the OP.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Made this a stciky