Even though Craig dodge the question about the subscribers, he can't pull a white one on the annual report. In the second quarter 2008, AoC had over 400k subscribers. That's quite the respectable number is you ask me. That report and it's numbers prove the trolls and naysayers are full of shit, but nothing new there
They do experience a drop in revenues, but we still are in a global recession so they feel the effect of it as bad as anyone else do.
Edit:To the clueless troll below me, nope I'm not a fanboy of the game. I don't even like it, nor do I play it. I'm just trying to bring some facts to the table as there is way too much guesswork going around about the game, and other games aswell too for that matter. Just have to wait for their next report to check those numbers again. To you guys who say the game is dying, why would Funcom put most of their effort into it if it's dying?Besides if you check Q3 they earned more revenues compared to Q2 so what does that tell us, hmmm? So stop talking out your ass. That goes for all the other trolls and naysayers aswell.
Lol - they lost 50% of customers in the first 6 weeks - hardly a glowing report. And to qoute from their Q3 report All games experience this after launch so your point is what? A shitload of people who buy whatever game will leave it after the first month. Just the way things work. Even WoW had this going on at first but Blizzard gain 2 customers for everyone that leaves it seems. That ball just keep on rolling for some reason. WoW's a good game, but it's not that good. I would've liked to see the numbers on how many people leave WoW each month. I imagine that number is quite high.
After the very strong launch period, the average
subscription period for Age of Conan has been
shorter than expected and this has led to a
reduction in subscriber levels in the period.
Also not a glowing report. Perhaps you need to learn to read. If you haven't noticed it yet, we are in what we grownups call a global recession. Look it up and learn a thing or two. Anyway, they expected WoW-like numbers and didn't get it. So the picture not as bad as you want it to be.
However I would think that an xbox360 version would be a good thing for the PC players as to release on the xbox the game would need to be pretty much bug free. Also the xbox has lower graphics processing power and less memory so they would need to improve the performance/memory useage. All bonuses for the PC players.
Haha, I can't believe I'm on AmazingAvery's side on this one. I never agree with anything that man post
Someone want to explain what part of "it's still in the works" they don't understand in relation to the 360 development question? Plus and anyone explain why is it the Hardcore "I don't like AoC" group (doesn't sub either) who wants to know sub numbers? I can't understand why there are no posts in the LOTRO forums or EQ2 on the matter considering thats just 2 games that don't release numbes officially. Crazy.. Mabye it's because people are on a vendetta because AoC adversly effected their lives to such a great extent? who knows..
You can bet the group that doesn't like AoC is the same that was probably begging on general chat for lessons on how to use the combat system. Try to find one person that is good at this game trolling around the forum.
Someone want to explain what part of "it's still in the works" they don't understand in relation to the 360 development question? Plus and anyone explain why is it the Hardcore "I don't like AoC" group (doesn't sub either) who wants to know sub numbers? I can't understand why there are no posts in the LOTRO forums or EQ2 on the matter considering thats just 2 games that don't release numbes officially. Crazy.. Mabye it's because people are on a vendetta because AoC adversly effected their lives to such a great extent? who knows..
You can bet the group that doesn't like AoC is the same that was probably begging on general chat for lessons on how to use the combat system. Try to find one person that is good at this game trolling around the forum.
I don't like it, and I had absolutely no problem playing Simon Says...er... I mean using AoCs combat controls. Gotta stop making those assumptions, or you'll go broke with bets like that.
Itsa good theory but doesnt explain the lies they told early one. We'll right that one off to a lack of morals by management and their PR people.
Companies "lie" (emblish would be the word they would use but to many people they are lies) all of the time while doing their marketing.It when they cant back it up or the product doesnt have enough other things going for it that its gets them in trouble. As far as giving a damn well thats subjective. Yes they ( any business) give a damn because they want your money but that does not mean that they act with your interests in mind or that they do a good job in dealing with customers.
The lies they told at start is to be blamed on one person. One person that was Game director and a complete retard at it too. The guy was too full of himself rather then realizing what he was doing. After the new GD took over funny enough there hasn't been any lies, communication is down to earth and the devs that posts and gets interviewed are also down to earth and pretty much being realistic about the issues with the game.
Gaute as a GD wasn't that, no matter how severe the issues was he would sit there and talk about how awesome the game is, how awesome the players feel it is. if asked about the issues he would just say we are aware some players are having trouble, this will be fixed next patch. Without knowing for sure I'm pretty sure Gaute didn't quit by his free will, he was told to quit or they fired him. And it is the best thing funcom ever has done to AoC. Finally we have a GD that doesn't pretend the game is better then it is. and they are actually improving it too rather then pretedning if they close their eyes and ears everything will be ok.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC) On my radar: TSW, MO MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Itsa good theory but doesnt explain the lies they told early one. We'll right that one off to a lack of morals by management and their PR people.
Companies "lie" (emblish would be the word they would use but to many people they are lies) all of the time while doing their marketing.It when they cant back it up or the product doesnt have enough other things going for it that its gets them in trouble. As far as giving a damn well thats subjective. Yes they ( any business) give a damn because they want your money but that does not mean that they act with your interests in mind or that they do a good job in dealing with customers.
No it doesn't epxplain all the lies and misinformation. I dont know why companies do that? Funcom is not the first nor the last one to "lie". Lies work well for PR and atract new clients, but thats a short term benefit. In the long run it will hit them so bad they may not even recover from it.
I could never understand the misinformation like "FREE TO PLAY" with big letters and then tiny text at the bottom "for the first week". I mean, wouldn't it be easier to just say "free to try for a week"? Its the same message but without any hidden intentions. Misadvertising like in the first case always leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It just doesn't make sense to do it that way because people get pissed when they dont notice the hiddem text. They think they got cheated. And they would be right!
I also work for a small company, a telecom company, but I practice honest business. Even when our company screws up, I apologize and offer some kind of resolution, including a some kind of compensation for the screw up. Very often this turns people from angry client to a happy client. But, i guess, this is not how Funcom is doing things.
The lies they told at start is to be blamed on one person. One person that was Game director and a complete retard at it too. The guy was too full of himself rather then realizing what he was doing. After the new GD took over funny enough there hasn't been any lies, communication is down to earth and the devs that posts and gets interviewed are also down to earth and pretty much being realistic about the issues with the game.
How do you know it was Gaute you told them all to lie? Did he say in a meeting: "Ok, guys. Today we are all going to lie our ass off!". While Gaute was one of the main liers, I don't think he is not the only one to blame. Just go see any EE interview and you will know what I'm talking about. Gaute was just a scape goat who quit FC restore confidence in investors and players.
Yes, since Craig took over, we haven't seen much lying. You know why that is? Because it's difficult to lie about a game when everyone can log in at any time and see the truth for themselves. I mean EE can't talk about massive siege battles with hundreds and hundreds of players when we all know it's 48vs48.
Hyping and lying is much easier before launch. And there HAVE been subtle lies every month since Craig took over. He himself said they are working on server merges when everyone knows they are doing NOTHING about it. If they WERE working on it, it would have been done already. They are just feeding community this crap how "it is so difficult to merge servers! " and they need many MONTHS to do it, when in reality they could do it in a WEEK if they really wanted to. They are just waiting for Christmas miracle in form of DX10 client.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Scaredgirl
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by arkady09
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Gurtelrose
All the AoC fanboys came out stating how this was going to be the greatesr MMO ever and kill the WoW subscriber base. I played it for 2½ months. The starter area was good and then the game went downhill straight from there. A total waste of $50.
Cough! not all mate and you know it. If you played for 2 1/2 months (10weeks?) and say average gamer plays 20 hrs a week? Not bad for 25cents or 14pence per hour easy it. Even if $50 plus 3 month sub = about 48 cents per hour. Im guessing you played more than 20 hrs per week for the first while though
I would call that value for money
He doesnt get to decide what is and what is not 'value for HIS money' ? I mean ROFL
Well you have to ask yourself why would you play it for 2 1/2 months if it was not value or gained some entertainment value from the game - I mean - C'mon.
I agree with arkady09. YOU are not the one who decides what is "value for HIS money".
Think about it like this. You go see 2 movies which both cost 10 bucks. One is 2 hours long and entertaining. Other one is 10 hours and sucks. First one has $5/hour "value for money" second one $1/hour "value for money.
Now you think the second movie has better "value for money" only because it lasts longer even if it sucked? That is just stupid.
He himself said it was "A total waste of $50". This is how he FEELS about AoC. It's his personal feeling and nothing you do or say, can change that fact.
The real question is, why did he keep on playing for 10 weeks? Why didn't he quit after 3-4 weeks like many others?
Maybe he didn't play that much? Maybe he only reached the boring endgame in about 8 weeks?
Maybe he had bought 3 months of playtime and he "had" to play?
Or maybe he was like me. Maybe he was hoping so much to finally find a good pvp game that he was willing to give FC a chance to fix the game and he was willing to pay for "beta". Unfortunately not all things can be fixed and once he saw that he quit.
Hey listen and comprehend. I didn't decide anything for the guy. HE decided to keep playing, I didn't tell him, and I didn't plead with him or try to change his mind to not play.
The simple fact is like I said "you have to ask yourself if the game was a POS why play for 3 months" there is obviously something there of interest.
Just the same as you are FANATICAL about the game. How many posts in such a short time? does that not tell you something? you know kinda
Hey listen and comrephend. I didn't decide anything for the guy. HE decided to keep playing, I didn't tell him, and I didn't plead with him or try to change his mind to not play. The simple fact is like I said "you have to ask yourself if the game was a POS why play for 3 months" there is obviously something there of interest. Just the same as you are FANATICAL about the game. How many posts in such a short time? does that not tell you something? you know kinda
You didn't comprehend what I wrote. You DID decide for that guy. HE said he felt like he wasted 50 bucks but you said he got good "value for money". How is this not deciding something for the guy? You are basically telling him how he is thinking.
The fact that he played for 10 weeks before quiting doesn't mean anything. Some people, like myself, played AoC many months because we were hoping for that ONE miracle patch that would make the game fun. I just REFUSED to believe that AoC was as BAD as it looked. Like many other people I was blinded by the hype, wanting desperately to find the good PvP game that would keep me entertained for years to come. After months of abuse, one morning in Kheshatta, I finally saw the true AoC. Boring snoozefest. It was like in Matrix when Keanu Reeves took that red pill.
Surprise surprise, as usual you have to finish off with a personal attack... I have many posts in a short time? What does it tell me? Well, it tells me I've had a couple of days off and I've been trying to find a new game while at the same time writing on different forums like this. No conspiracy here, sorry.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Scaredgirl
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Hey listen and comrephend. I didn't decide anything for the guy. HE decided to keep playing, I didn't tell him, and I didn't plead with him or try to change his mind to not play. The simple fact is like I said "you have to ask yourself if the game was a POS why play for 3 months" there is obviously something there of interest. Just the same as you are FANATICAL about the game. How many posts in such a short time? does that not tell you something? you know kinda
You didn't comprehend what I wrote. You DID decide for that guy. HE said he felt like he wasted 50 bucks but you said he got good "value for money". How is this not deciding something for the guy? You are basically telling him how he is thinking.
I asked the question, you decided the answer. "You have to ask yourself why would you play it for 2 1/2 months if it was not value or gained some entertainment value from the game ?"
And before that - I stated an opinon on the cost break down per day would be value for money "I would call that" just like the amount of money for any mmorpg 3 month sub as they are all pretty similar these days.
I asked the question, you decided the answer. "You have to ask yourself why would you play it for 2 1/2 months if it was not value or gained some entertainment value from the game ?" And before that - I stated an opinon on the cost break down per day would be value for money "I would call that" just like the amount of money for any mmorpg 3 month sub as they are all pretty similar these days. He decided to continue to play and pay, not me.
Lol, whatever. I'm done arguing with you people. It's like and I need sleep.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Well Avery its an mmo its suppose to last longer then that, also you can spend several months playing with sticks and it would still be a rip off to have bought those sticks for $50 no?
The last I heard AoC's subs were under 50k now and still going down. I suspect that AoC will close down this time next year.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Krogan
The last I heard AoC's subs were under 50k now and still going down. I suspect that AoC will close down this time next year.
You can only pray that hearsay is accurate and wishful thinking becomes reality.
The game has enough money in the bank to support the game and pay the staff for a few years at least
Someone want to explain what part of "it's still in the works" they don't understand in relation to the 360 development question? Plus and anyone explain why is it the Hardcore "I don't like AoC" group (doesn't sub either) who wants to know sub numbers? I can't understand why there are no posts in the LOTRO forums or EQ2 on the matter considering thats just 2 games that don't release numbes officially. Crazy.. Mabye it's because people are on a vendetta because AoC adversly effected their lives to such a great extent? who knows..
ok amazingravy
let me say it loud and clear, People such as myself wanted age of conan to deliver what was promised. But no, you guys released like 6 months early, the game was full of bugs.........i fell threw the floor atleast 20 times into water and the grind was a joke.
You guys had the chance to make a real WoW killer with the good graphics, unique combat system. But no. you guys FCk3|) up BIG time
i understand that you get paid to come be a fanboy on these forums but honestly, you cant compare aoc to lotro, wow, and war.
AWEG RJN
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by WOTDOUPLAY
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Someone want to explain what part of "it's still in the works" they don't understand in relation to the 360 development question? Plus and anyone explain why is it the Hardcore "I don't like AoC" group (doesn't sub either) who wants to know sub numbers? I can't understand why there are no posts in the LOTRO forums or EQ2 on the matter considering thats just 2 games that don't release numbes officially. Crazy.. Mabye it's because people are on a vendetta because AoC adversly effected their lives to such a great extent? who knows..
ok amazingravy
let me say it loud and clear, People such as myself wanted age of conan to deliver what was promised. But no, you guys released like 6 months early, the game was full of bugs.........i fell threw the floor atleast 20 times into water and the grind was a joke.
You guys had the chance to make a real WoW killer with the good graphics, unique combat system. But no. you guys FCk3|) up BIG time
i understand that you get paid to come be a fanboy on these forums but honestly, you cant compare aoc to lotro, wow, and war.
At least i didn't have to report this post as I can see you have made an effort to keep the name calling to a minimum this time.
When you talk "you guys" that is not me, and when you said "paid to come be a fanboy" thats not me either. In retrospect maybe it is worth reporting, nevertheless coherent drivel maybe the only thing you can accumulate and at least you attempted.
Guess what? I fell through the floor 20 times in May , by end of June I didn't. Yes they did release early that is my opinion too. Grind? c'mon I never had any till level 77 / 80.
I can honestly compare them to those games with plus's and minus's. Honestly I can!!
One of the most fun well paced combat systems? I think not! I'm sorry but 1,2 ,3 use special doesn't feel fun by the time you get to 40. It's closer to the truth to say it's one of the most poorly thought out clumsy real time combat systems for a MMO.
To make a claim no other games has the atmosphere AOC has is nothing but a joke! Any atmosphere that would have been created is easily broken when you have to keep zoning, the tiny size of zones don't help the atmosphere either. Even the Istaria MMO has more atmosphere in it's world with it's dx 8.1 graphics imho than AOC.
This is nothing more than a mixture of spin and the mention of lacklustre updates that will do little to take AOC out of a niche MMO hole it's dug itself into. Do they really think dx10 eye candy touch up will magically change the games failings? You sure get that impression from reading the article. They think graphics will bring in sub numbers. They think having dx10 graphics is enough for them to be different in the MMO market?
This is a company desperately pulling at straws to turn AOC around. They fail to realize it's main failings are, it's far to heavily instanced and zones are to small. Even their larger desert zone is still small. Good luck Funcom if you think mature content moulded to this games design is an advantage for you then you're poorly mistaken.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by IAmMMO
One of the most fun well paced combat systems? I think not! I'm sorry but 1,2 ,3 use special doesn't feel fun by the time you get to 40. It's closer to the truth to say it's one of the most poorly thought out clumsy real time combat systems for a MMO. To make a claim no other games has the atmosphere AOC has is nothing but a joke! Any atmosphere that would have been created is easily broken when you have to keep zoning, the tiny size of zones don't help the atmosphere either. Even the Istaria MMO has more atmosphere in it's world with it's dx 8.1 graphics imho than AOC. This is nothing more than a mixture of spin and the mention of lacklustre updates that will do little to take AOC out of a niche MMO hole it's dug itself into. Do they really think dx10 eye candy touch up will magically change the games failings? You sure get that impression from reading the article. They think graphics will bring in sub numbers. They think having dx10 graphics is enough for them to be different in the MMO market? This is a company desperately pulling at straws to turn AOC around. They fail to realize it's main failings are, it's far to heavily instanced and zones are to small. Even their larger desert zone is still small. Good luck Funcom if you think mature content moulded to this games design is an advantage for you then you're poorly mistaken.
Well your opinion is a fair one. But the whole zone idea was laid out years ago in a trade off for better graphics. Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS. When you get to level 40 and your a melee character, 2 new directions open up so I would definately say it geets better then.
Zoning again is a down to personal preference - for me 2-7 seconds is not a long time and it doesn't happen that often as I find plenty to do with each zone visit. Like for example I might be going into Ymir's I won't come out for about 2-3hrs and that may be all the AoC sitting I do that day. Atmosphere in these zones are truly for more immersive than any other game I have played. DX10 will bring additional effects which is only something other games can hope for.
Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS.
Lotro's new Warden class has the best new combat system I have seen in a while. Hard to describe but you need to plan ahead 2 or 3 move, sort of like AOC in a way.Lotro's Minstrel class has had tiered combat since release. The warden gambits offer a whole new concept though.
I miss DAoC
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS.
Lotro's new Warden class has the best new combat system I have seen in a while. Hard to describe but you need to plan ahead 2 or 3 move, sort of like AOC in a way.Lotro's Minstrel class has had tiered combat since release. The warden gambits offer a whole new concept though.
That's good to hear Jack, haven't got around to trying one out and don't really play as much as used to. No one is buying my vials However, I think it's a step in the right direction to keep core fun elements but also to try new stuff in a hybrid fashion. I really think AoC moved forward a bit here and I think FC should be proud in trying something a bit different. It's never going to be everyones cup of tea, but the comfy couch has to be updated at some point.
Well your opinion is a fair one. But the whole zone idea was laid out years ago in a trade off for better graphics. Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS. When you get to level 40 and your a melee character, 2 new directions open up so I would definately say it geets better then.
Zoning again is a down to personal preference - for me 2-7 seconds is not a long time and it doesn't happen that often as I find plenty to do with each zone visit. Like for example I might be going into Ymir's I won't come out for about 2-3hrs and that may be all the AoC sitting I do that day. Atmosphere in these zones are truly for more immersive than any other game I have played. DX10 will bring additional effects which is only something other games can hope for.
The Chronicles of Spellborn has 10 times more innovative combat system than Age of Conan. They have REAL combos, not this button smashing whack-a-mole -system that Conan has. Unfortunately it's looking like TCoS might have a bad launch because of hosting and other issues. I hope they can pull it through. Every PvP player in here, go check it out 5th of this month. You can try it out for FREE.
I agree with you on that I don't find that 5-10 sec loading time between zones a big deal. It sucks big time at levels 1-20 but after Tortage loading is less frequent.
What I do hate about zones is that they are too small and have multiple instances. This really breaks immersion and affects gameplay. I think it's dumb that you can go hide on a different instance.
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Lol - they lost 50% of customers in the first 6 weeks - hardly a glowing report. And to qoute from their Q3 report All games experience this after launch so your point is what? A shitload of people who buy whatever game will leave it after the first month. Just the way things work. Even WoW had this going on at first but Blizzard gain 2 customers for everyone that leaves it seems. That ball just keep on rolling for some reason. WoW's a good game, but it's not that good. I would've liked to see the numbers on how many people leave WoW each month. I imagine that number is quite high.
After the very strong launch period, the average
subscription period for Age of Conan has been
shorter than expected and this has led to a
reduction in subscriber levels in the period.
Also not a glowing report. Perhaps you need to learn to read. If you haven't noticed it yet, we are in what we grownups call a global recession. Look it up and learn a thing or two. Anyway, they expected WoW-like numbers and didn't get it. So the picture not as bad as you want it to be.
However I would think that an xbox360 version would be a good thing for the PC players as to release on the xbox the game would need to be pretty much bug free. Also the xbox has lower graphics processing power and less memory so they would need to improve the performance/memory useage. All bonuses for the PC players.
Haha, I can't believe I'm on AmazingAvery's side on this one. I never agree with anything that man post
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
You can bet the group that doesn't like AoC is the same that was probably begging on general chat for lessons on how to use the combat system. Try to find one person that is good at this game trolling around the forum.
You can bet the group that doesn't like AoC is the same that was probably begging on general chat for lessons on how to use the combat system. Try to find one person that is good at this game trolling around the forum.
I don't like it, and I had absolutely no problem playing Simon Says...er... I mean using AoCs combat controls. Gotta stop making those assumptions, or you'll go broke with bets like that.
The lies they told at start is to be blamed on one person. One person that was Game director and a complete retard at it too. The guy was too full of himself rather then realizing what he was doing. After the new GD took over funny enough there hasn't been any lies, communication is down to earth and the devs that posts and gets interviewed are also down to earth and pretty much being realistic about the issues with the game.
Gaute as a GD wasn't that, no matter how severe the issues was he would sit there and talk about how awesome the game is, how awesome the players feel it is. if asked about the issues he would just say we are aware some players are having trouble, this will be fixed next patch. Without knowing for sure I'm pretty sure Gaute didn't quit by his free will, he was told to quit or they fired him. And it is the best thing funcom ever has done to AoC. Finally we have a GD that doesn't pretend the game is better then it is. and they are actually improving it too rather then pretedning if they close their eyes and ears everything will be ok.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
No it doesn't epxplain all the lies and misinformation. I dont know why companies do that? Funcom is not the first nor the last one to "lie". Lies work well for PR and atract new clients, but thats a short term benefit. In the long run it will hit them so bad they may not even recover from it.
I could never understand the misinformation like "FREE TO PLAY" with big letters and then tiny text at the bottom "for the first week". I mean, wouldn't it be easier to just say "free to try for a week"? Its the same message but without any hidden intentions. Misadvertising like in the first case always leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It just doesn't make sense to do it that way because people get pissed when they dont notice the hiddem text. They think they got cheated. And they would be right!
I also work for a small company, a telecom company, but I practice honest business. Even when our company screws up, I apologize and offer some kind of resolution, including a some kind of compensation for the screw up. Very often this turns people from angry client to a happy client. But, i guess, this is not how Funcom is doing things.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
How do you know it was Gaute you told them all to lie? Did he say in a meeting: "Ok, guys. Today we are all going to lie our ass off!". While Gaute was one of the main liers, I don't think he is not the only one to blame. Just go see any EE interview and you will know what I'm talking about. Gaute was just a scape goat who quit FC restore confidence in investors and players.
Yes, since Craig took over, we haven't seen much lying. You know why that is? Because it's difficult to lie about a game when everyone can log in at any time and see the truth for themselves. I mean EE can't talk about massive siege battles with hundreds and hundreds of players when we all know it's 48vs48.
Hyping and lying is much easier before launch. And there HAVE been subtle lies every month since Craig took over. He himself said they are working on server merges when everyone knows they are doing NOTHING about it. If they WERE working on it, it would have been done already. They are just feeding community this crap how "
it is so difficult to merge servers! 
" and they need many MONTHS to do it, when in reality they could do it in a WEEK if they really wanted to. They are just waiting for Christmas miracle in form of DX10 client.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Cough! not all mate and you know it. If you played for 2 1/2 months (10weeks?) and say average gamer plays 20 hrs a week? Not bad for 25cents or 14pence per hour easy it. Even if $50 plus 3 month sub = about 48 cents per hour. Im guessing you played more than 20 hrs per week for the first while though
I would call that value for money
He doesnt get to decide what is and what is not 'value for HIS money' ? I mean ROFL
Well you have to ask yourself why would you play it for 2 1/2 months if it was not value or gained some entertainment value from the game - I mean - C'mon.
I agree with arkady09. YOU are not the one who decides what is "value for HIS money".
Think about it like this. You go see 2 movies which both cost 10 bucks. One is 2 hours long and entertaining. Other one is 10 hours and sucks. First one has $5/hour "value for money" second one $1/hour "value for money.
Now you think the second movie has better "value for money" only because it lasts longer even if it sucked? That is just stupid.
He himself said it was "A total waste of $50". This is how he FEELS about AoC. It's his personal feeling and nothing you do or say, can change that fact.
The real question is, why did he keep on playing for 10 weeks? Why didn't he quit after 3-4 weeks like many others?
Maybe he didn't play that much? Maybe he only reached the boring endgame in about 8 weeks?
Maybe he had bought 3 months of playtime and he "had" to play?
Or maybe he was like me. Maybe he was hoping so much to finally find a good pvp game that he was willing to give FC a chance to fix the game and he was willing to pay for "beta". Unfortunately not all things can be fixed and once he saw that he quit.
Hey listen and comprehend. I didn't decide anything for the guy. HE decided to keep playing, I didn't tell him, and I didn't plead with him or try to change his mind to not play.
The simple fact is like I said "you have to ask yourself if the game was a POS why play for 3 months" there is obviously something there of interest.
Just the same as you are FANATICAL about the game. How many posts in such a short time? does that not tell you something? you know kinda
You didn't comprehend what I wrote. You DID decide for that guy. HE said he felt like he wasted 50 bucks but you said he got good "value for money". How is this not deciding something for the guy? You are basically telling him how he is thinking.
The fact that he played for 10 weeks before quiting doesn't mean anything. Some people, like myself, played AoC many months because we were hoping for that ONE miracle patch that would make the game fun. I just REFUSED to believe that AoC was as BAD as it looked. Like many other people I was blinded by the hype, wanting desperately to find the good PvP game that would keep me entertained for years to come. After months of abuse, one morning in Kheshatta, I finally saw the true AoC. Boring snoozefest. It was like in Matrix when Keanu Reeves took that red pill.
Surprise surprise, as usual you have to finish off with a personal attack... I have many posts in a short time? What does it tell me? Well, it tells me I've had a couple of days off and I've been trying to find a new game while at the same time writing on different forums like this. No conspiracy here, sorry.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
You didn't comprehend what I wrote. You DID decide for that guy. HE said he felt like he wasted 50 bucks but you said he got good "value for money". How is this not deciding something for the guy? You are basically telling him how he is thinking.
I asked the question, you decided the answer. "You have to ask yourself why would you play it for 2 1/2 months if it was not value or gained some entertainment value from the game ?"
And before that - I stated an opinon on the cost break down per day would be value for money "I would call that" just like the amount of money for any mmorpg 3 month sub as they are all pretty similar these days.
He decided to continue to play and pay, not me.
Lol, whatever. I'm done arguing with you people. It's like
and I need sleep.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Well Avery its an mmo its suppose to last longer then that, also you can spend several months playing with sticks and it would still be a rip off to have bought those sticks for $50 no?
The last I heard AoC's subs were under 50k now and still going down. I suspect that AoC will close down this time next year.
You can only pray that hearsay is accurate and wishful thinking becomes reality.
The game has enough money in the bank to support the game and pay the staff for a few years at least
let me say it loud and clear, People such as myself wanted age of conan to deliver what was promised. But no, you guys released like 6 months early, the game was full of bugs.........i fell threw the floor atleast 20 times into water and the grind was a joke.
You guys had the chance to make a real WoW killer with the good graphics, unique combat system. But no. you guys F
Ck3|) up BIG time 
i understand that you get paid to come be a fanboy on these forums but honestly, you cant compare aoc to lotro, wow, and war.
AWEG RJN
let me say it loud and clear, People such as myself wanted age of conan to deliver what was promised. But no, you guys released like 6 months early, the game was full of bugs.........i fell threw the floor atleast 20 times into water and the grind was a joke.
You guys had the chance to make a real WoW killer with the good graphics, unique combat system. But no. you guys F
Ck3|) up BIG time 
i understand that you get paid to come be a fanboy on these forums but honestly, you cant compare aoc to lotro, wow, and war.
At least i didn't have to report this post as I can see you have made an effort to keep the name calling to a minimum this time.
When you talk "you guys" that is not me, and when you said "paid to come be a fanboy" thats not me either. In retrospect maybe it is worth reporting, nevertheless coherent drivel maybe the only thing you can accumulate and at least you attempted.
Guess what? I fell through the floor 20 times in May , by end of June I didn't. Yes they did release early that is my opinion too. Grind? c'mon I never had any till level 77 / 80.
I can honestly compare them to those games with plus's and minus's. Honestly I can!!
says it all: http://www.mpog.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2438115#2438115
One of the most fun well paced combat systems? I think not! I'm sorry but 1,2 ,3 use special doesn't feel fun by the time you get to 40. It's closer to the truth to say it's one of the most poorly thought out clumsy real time combat systems for a MMO.
To make a claim no other games has the atmosphere AOC has is nothing but a joke! Any atmosphere that would have been created is easily broken when you have to keep zoning, the tiny size of zones don't help the atmosphere either. Even the Istaria MMO has more atmosphere in it's world with it's dx 8.1 graphics imho than AOC.
This is nothing more than a mixture of spin and the mention of lacklustre updates that will do little to take AOC out of a niche MMO hole it's dug itself into. Do they really think dx10 eye candy touch up will magically change the games failings? You sure get that impression from reading the article. They think graphics will bring in sub numbers. They think having dx10 graphics is enough for them to be different in the MMO market?
This is a company desperately pulling at straws to turn AOC around. They fail to realize it's main failings are, it's far to heavily instanced and zones are to small. Even their larger desert zone is still small. Good luck Funcom if you think mature content moulded to this games design is an advantage for you then you're poorly mistaken.
Well your opinion is a fair one. But the whole zone idea was laid out years ago in a trade off for better graphics. Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS. When you get to level 40 and your a melee character, 2 new directions open up so I would definately say it geets better then.
Zoning again is a down to personal preference - for me 2-7 seconds is not a long time and it doesn't happen that often as I find plenty to do with each zone visit. Like for example I might be going into Ymir's I won't come out for about 2-3hrs and that may be all the AoC sitting I do that day. Atmosphere in these zones are truly for more immersive than any other game I have played. DX10 will bring additional effects which is only something other games can hope for.
Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS.
Lotro's new Warden class has the best new combat system I have seen in a while. Hard to describe but you need to plan ahead 2 or 3 move, sort of like AOC in a way.Lotro's Minstrel class has had tiered combat since release. The warden gambits offer a whole new concept though.
I miss DAoC
Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS.
Lotro's new Warden class has the best new combat system I have seen in a while. Hard to describe but you need to plan ahead 2 or 3 move, sort of like AOC in a way.Lotro's Minstrel class has had tiered combat since release. The warden gambits offer a whole new concept though.
That's good to hear Jack, haven't got around to trying one out and don't really play as much as used to. No one is buying my vials
However, I think it's a step in the right direction to keep core fun elements but also to try new stuff in a hybrid fashion. I really think AoC moved forward a bit here and I think FC should be proud in trying something a bit different. It's never going to be everyones cup of tea, but the comfy couch has to be updated at some point.
Well your opinion is a fair one. But the whole zone idea was laid out years ago in a trade off for better graphics. Combat is down for personal preference, some like it better than the same old stale stuff out there at the moment - only other game doing something a bit different is TCoS. When you get to level 40 and your a melee character, 2 new directions open up so I would definately say it geets better then.
Zoning again is a down to personal preference - for me 2-7 seconds is not a long time and it doesn't happen that often as I find plenty to do with each zone visit. Like for example I might be going into Ymir's I won't come out for about 2-3hrs and that may be all the AoC sitting I do that day. Atmosphere in these zones are truly for more immersive than any other game I have played. DX10 will bring additional effects which is only something other games can hope for.
The Chronicles of Spellborn has 10 times more innovative combat system than Age of Conan. They have REAL combos, not this button smashing whack-a-mole -system that Conan has. Unfortunately it's looking like TCoS might have a bad launch because of hosting and other issues. I hope they can pull it through. Every PvP player in here, go check it out 5th of this month. You can try it out for FREE.
I agree with you on that I don't find that 5-10 sec loading time between zones a big deal. It sucks big time at levels 1-20 but after Tortage loading is less frequent.
What I do hate about zones is that they are too small and have multiple instances. This really breaks immersion and affects gameplay. I think it's dumb that you can go hide on a different instance.