thats one reason i like eq2 a littel since they have the option to lock the target once you attack otheres cant attack the mob and has a chain lock icon above the head so people cant try to steal your named by out dmg him fast
Continued from my previous post, Part 2. Definition of Help When you shot the other player's target, it is not necessary means that you are helpful. Your help only established when other needs it and you were able to give at right time right place. You don't leave others have no choice to your help and twist the meaning of help. Blind Shooting I often seen hunter blind shooting other player's target. I don't want to guess by what reason most hunter like to do that. I may think it is just too handy to pull trigger. It is like a lame policeman or maybe an outlaw gangster pull trigger whenever they have spotted something for free shooting. If you are a so helpful person then you know how to respect other people as well. Whenever I am playing the game, there are such people blind shooting my target, what do I feel about it? I feel like when I walk on the street and someone walked by just spit on the ground in front of me. I don't want to send tell because you may not seeing this player again. Just in case when you seen again, quickly add him in your ignore list. Usually, this type of person is the one screwed up in the group and ninja everything. One other thing is that he may loose control on his mouse and shot on other player's target accidently, if you sent tell, What was that for? He may said he is helping. You don't have to buy his help but you can forgive his unskillful experience if he answered the right answer, he is helping. If he answered wrong then add him in the ignore list.
I'm sorry, and this will seem rude so I apologize, but I think you guys are just too tightly wound.
There are reasons there are good samaritan laws.
So "yes" it's always good too ask someone for help but quite frankly, are they really going to see it? I know when I'm in a pinch I don't look at my chat box. I just attend to the matter at hand. Now, sure, sometimes I don't need or want the help but there are times that I do. I don't have the numerous people attacking my targets which has been mentioned in this thread so I don't know what to tell you.
Are there jerks out there? Sure. Are there people who will think nothing of attacking every one of your mobs? Sure. But the minute we start putting every action under a microscope we start getting ourselves in trouble, not only in the game but also as a society.
If you see the same people attacking your mobs over and over again, and you ask them to stop and they don't then go ahead and ignore them, make your lists (to a_name) do what you need to do.
but if you are low on health and someone steps in to aid you I think you should be thankful that there are still people who might actually care enough to lend aid.
Something is seriously wrong with society when we have to always ask to help or when you can't even reply to an unwanted helper "thanks but in the future I think I'll be fine... I'd rather just see how the fight turns out". And equally wrong if they don't respect that.
But to start quantifying "being helpful" and making lists because you were low on health and someone thought you might not want to appear in the stone circle and wait a bit before being able to play to full effectiveness is just beyond the pale in my opinion.
but then again, maybe we play a different game. I can't really count on two hands over the entirety of my time in LOTRO where someone lent aid and it was unwanted or that they were griefing me.
And in the end, in a story context it makes sense to aid your fellow man against the dark forces of Sauron. I always find it funny when I pass by a solo guy or duo who are fighting a mob and I just make my way past them. I always think "if this were really middle earth I'd be jumping in to help them in a heart beat!"
But it is a game and has to be seen in that context.
All I know is that seeing this thread I would like to make a list of who I would WANT to know in real life as they seem to be decent people.
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I think the game mechanics are to blame for this. Basically, if you're first to tag a creature you should get all the stuff from it - XP and everything - if it dies. If someone drops in to help, it should be purely to help - he should get nothing unless you decide to reward him after the fight. If players want to share XP, then they need to team up before the fight.
hi all, never posted on forums before ,but something really bugged me yesterday . I was questing in Moria and saw a fellow player ( shadowbourn ) fighting a mob. As i thought he could use a hand i waded in and kick the mobs butt. Then in IMS came a massage from the player i helped....was it ty m8?..cheers friend?...no it was this...."before you go charging in to help why dont you take the time out to ask i its needed?"..Asking what i did wrong i got the reply that i was stealing his xp???...Now if that was the case he couldve just said ty but i dont need help..I politely told him what i thought of his manners :P, so then he tells me im reporting you m8 and your in my ignore list (ill miss him:(..lol)..so in OOC i told him he was the most ungrateful rudest player ive ever met..this was met with no less than 12 other players telling me he has been rude to them for helping too? and lecturing them on respect??hmmmm..so if you ever see that mentionedplayer dont help him let him die and pay him the respect he so rightly has earned.BTW his comments have only stregthened my beliefs ,that 99.9% of players of lotro are great and funny and play to enjoy not to become smeagal..
Yeah you stoled a whole bunch of exp from him. Maybe like 100 points out if a few hundred thousand to level. I'd say he has issues and probably was solo for a reason. Water off a ducks back is what my advice for you is.
I do this, if the person is in short health, looks to be AFK for any reason, or is purely outnumbered I will help. If the person doesn't need help I won't bother with it. I have never been yelled at when I have helped and more often thanked. But if someone I helped did act like that they'd be on my ignore list before they'd even be able to put me on theirs. No use bothering with people like that. BTW if he tried to Pet you the GMs would laugh em off the server.
Just agreeing with those that state.. before helping someone.. check both the players and mobs health.. if the player seems to be holding his own... let him be.. its HIS fight.. on the flip side i dont think i have ever been rude to when helping someone... generally you can tell that player got more aggro then he wanted and could use an assist.. even then I try to hit mobs he hasn't already hit... but that are wailing on him. ANd yes this sometimes means standing around watching to see if the player is doing ok...
On the flip side.. my kin has helped with quest mobs regardless of player(s) health. The quest mob will yeild xp for the completion of the quest .. far more than the kill xp... so the faster he goes down the quicker the respawn is.. and we can have our turn. Further... he have invited those on "hunting quests" ... (kill 30 goblins) to jion us just so we arent competing for the mobs.. better to share the or even loose the xp than be frustrated at who can get the mob first just to get the count.
As a note a I play on Brandywine,, and have since beta. yes there are jerks there, but mostly everyone is just trying to play the game and make nice. On the "drama-meter" I say we are pretty low.
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Originally posted by Beery I think the game mechanics are to blame for this. Basically, if you're first to tag a creature you should get all the stuff from it - XP and everything - if it dies. If someone drops in to help, it should be purely to help - he should get nothing unless you decide to reward him after the fight. If players want to share XP, then they need to team up before the fight.
I heartily agree with you, Beery. It is a bizarre mechanic for xp the way it is currently set up. I think that in WoW, you get all xp, all loot, everything, for every mob you tap--a much better system, imo.
I also believe that, in WoW, if you are grouped with a high-level player, your xp is also vastly reduced, which makes good sense.
Now, can a fellow high-level player in WoW accompany you (but NOT be grouped with you) and, after you tap the mobs, then pulverize them into dust, with you earning major xp? Yeah, I suppose so. And people do it, I imagine, though I can't for the life of me see the point in "power leveling" like that. Seems totally not fun. (I don't usually even like it when a highbie player accompanies me/my fellows on a lowbie mission or quest -- though sometimes, I admit, it sure is nice).
I really wish Turbine would change this xp thing; it is a lousy system, imo.
I think the game mechanics are to blame for this. Basically, if you're first to tag a creature you should get all the stuff from it - XP and everything - if it dies. If someone drops in to help, it should be purely to help - he should get nothing unless you decide to reward him after the fight. If players want to share XP, then they need to team up before the fight.
If someone helps you kill a mob you've already attacked, he gets nothing. He doesn't "steal" the XP from you, and he can't get the loot. Whoever attacked the mob first gets the loot, all of the XP awarded from the mob, and any quest advancements. The XP gained my be reduced because of the help, but the original attacker is the only one who gets any benefit from the mob dying.
What someone helping you DOES do is lower your gained XP which is there to prevent power leveling.
Below is how WOW works:
The experience amounts given above assume that the solo character and their pets have done 100% of the damage to kill the mob. Experience will be reduced when:
* Someone else (ungrouped) helps to damage the mob. The XP you receive depends on if that someone else will receive xp for killing that mob. If yes, you get full XP. If not, you get a tiny fraction. It doesn't matter how many other ungrouped help damage nor how much damage you done.
Example: You're 6th level fighting a 6th level mob. If the ungrouped helper is level 10 or lower damage the mob, you will get full XP because a character level 10 or lower can receive XP from a 6th level mob. If the ungrouped helper is level 11 or higher, you get a tiny fraction of the XP.
* Someone else (ungrouped) helps you by healing you in mid fight. This will cost you only a few XP points per heal.
* Your damage shields do significant damage to the mob. This is usually a small loss, 5-10 XP points at worst.
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Wow , quite a response..try to answer a few questions..My server is snowbourn and to be honest been playing lotro since the off and the people on the server on the whole are great.The reason i named and shame the player in question is because i had so many tells from people after the incident all saying the same thing about the same person.I cant agree with the people replying that you should ask before helping, cos in most cases the player would be dead and (being a captain) would then be asking me to res them (which ofc i would).I have loads of friends on the server and to be honest i dont think the player would even find my thread offensive ,it will just give him something else to make his grumpy ego tick over about, It IS a game after all , some people take it far too serious (which is a shame).I think anyone that is rude to other players trying to help should be castrated lol (only joking just him).It has made me wary for the first time ever though wondering should i help or not..But as always i do help and 99% of people say thanx as do i when helped.Maybe a few of the people that agreed with his behaviour on this topic should go find a lonely , but deadly serious sever for grumpy unhelpful , selfish bigots..where you can all moan about each other and tell each other how great you are ...THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE !!!...LMAOThanks to everyone that reply on the positive side cos to be honest you are the people that make lotro the great game it is ....NOT the die hards that lvl a char to 50 or 60 in 24hrs..TC ALL...MAD
It IS a game after all , some people take it far too serious (which is a shame).I think anyone that is rude to other players trying to help should be castrated lol (only joking just him).
Bashing someone in ooc and forum and now even asking for him to be castrated...all this because he didn't say thank you...Dude you have some serious issues!
Glad i'm not on 'your' server the thought of running into you kinda freaks me out.
OP, what I find offensive is your attitude towards us readers. If you are really a person who cares about the welfare of others, you would care enough to use PARAGRAPHS!!!
Reading one of your posts makes my eyes bleed.
That being said, keep your sword in your pants unless someone asks for you to use it.
*read the horrible stories about insane xp stealing and about all the poor players involved* *turns off computer and goes out for a walk*
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Given that there's already 6 pages of replies to this thread, I hesitate to add my own beating to the dead horse, but I happen to be one of those 'blue haired' mmo player who cut his teeth on EQ 6 months after it released.
MMO etiquette at the time dictated that you did ask if a player needed help in a situation, without assuming that they did or didn't and then questioning your actions later.
Typically it wasn't uncommon to have someone stand there and watch you fight a mob and if it looked like it was going sour, for either of the party to ask if they needed help.
One thing we should remember is that the OP is offering his version of both sides of the story, we really don't know what was actually said to him from the person he had 'helped' and what we do know could ne askew with bias.
With that said, if a player is hunting solo in Moria, it's safe to presume that they should be able to handle themselves in a 1v1 fight, but there are always different circumstances that could sway that opinion in either direction. It wouldn't take very long for someone who actually had the right intention of helping someone to not assume before they react, evaluate the situation and then if there is time, see if the person would like help defeating the mob.
If in that evaluation time you target the player, then target the mob and see that there is little doubt in your mind that if you do not react that the player will be 'defeated' and you decide to assist in either adding DPS or heals to the player, and if that player turns 'rude' to you, then you being an adult know that you have a few decisions that you can make, walk away and put them on ignore, or commence the arguind and exploitation of the rude player.
But therein lies another problem, who really is the instigator in that regard?
In this regard, lesson learned. While you may always remember the other player's name, there is no need to exploit them and call for a mass black-list that only signifies to fuel your ego, understand that in LOTRO that player is a minority of the wealth of community that resides there.
Just use common sense, if you're unsure ... ask first. If it's apparent, react and then apologize later .. but always take the opportunity to learn from it and move on.
Lemme get this straight, you'd rather die then lose a little exp? Wow, the mental function of todays gamers seems to be slipping drastically. Me. I don't mind if someone gives me a hand when I have a swarm of nasties in my face, but then that's just me being a veteran gamer and knowing that most times when this occur,s it's simply someone tryin to help ya out of a bad spot.
If you are one of those damaged folks who'd rather die then lose a little exp, maybe you should start a thread containing the names of thos like you so we civil gamers can learn who to let die and who doesn't mind a friendly assist when things are lookin bad
I think it's a prime example of people getting overworked up about their game. A bit of experience, something that has no material value, is not something to get worked up about.
Being a nice person and trying to help is not something to critise someone for, but if they do it's just something you shrug off and forget about.
If you fight around NPC guards then the NPC will help you to kill your target, how about that? You will receive 0 XP even you tag it first.
So can you ask NPC guard to help you? It will never happen. The NPC wasn't meant to help you but they just shooting any mob within his territory.
So I think it is not the point to discuss if it is guilty to helping others but the point will be do others needs your help, and how to help others in game properly.
LOL , sorry to make peoples eyes bleed when reading my threads,i dont have a degree in English and punctuation isnt my best talent either.Also to the person that said the thought of meeting me kinda freaks him out...why is that? im a nice bloke..come on mate buy me a beer and chill outand to be honest im glad your not on my server too cos i met your mate..he was the one that started all thisoh and excuse the lack of paragraphs...send me your address and ill send you some eye drops for your bleeding eyes..and i thought i was Mad?
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thats one reason i like eq2 a littel since they have the option to lock the target once you attack otheres cant attack the mob and has a chain lock icon above the head so people cant try to steal your named by out dmg him fast
I'm sorry, and this will seem rude so I apologize, but I think you guys are just too tightly wound.
There are reasons there are good samaritan laws.
So "yes" it's always good too ask someone for help but quite frankly, are they really going to see it? I know when I'm in a pinch I don't look at my chat box. I just attend to the matter at hand. Now, sure, sometimes I don't need or want the help but there are times that I do. I don't have the numerous people attacking my targets which has been mentioned in this thread so I don't know what to tell you.
Are there jerks out there? Sure. Are there people who will think nothing of attacking every one of your mobs? Sure. But the minute we start putting every action under a microscope we start getting ourselves in trouble, not only in the game but also as a society.
If you see the same people attacking your mobs over and over again, and you ask them to stop and they don't then go ahead and ignore them, make your lists (to a_name) do what you need to do.
but if you are low on health and someone steps in to aid you I think you should be thankful that there are still people who might actually care enough to lend aid.
Something is seriously wrong with society when we have to always ask to help or when you can't even reply to an unwanted helper "thanks but in the future I think I'll be fine... I'd rather just see how the fight turns out". And equally wrong if they don't respect that.
But to start quantifying "being helpful" and making lists because you were low on health and someone thought you might not want to appear in the stone circle and wait a bit before being able to play to full effectiveness is just beyond the pale in my opinion.
but then again, maybe we play a different game. I can't really count on two hands over the entirety of my time in LOTRO where someone lent aid and it was unwanted or that they were griefing me.
And in the end, in a story context it makes sense to aid your fellow man against the dark forces of Sauron. I always find it funny when I pass by a solo guy or duo who are fighting a mob and I just make my way past them. I always think "if this were really middle earth I'd be jumping in to help them in a heart beat!"
But it is a game and has to be seen in that context.
All I know is that seeing this thread I would like to make a list of who I would WANT to know in real life as they seem to be decent people.
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I think the game mechanics are to blame for this. Basically, if you're first to tag a creature you should get all the stuff from it - XP and everything - if it dies. If someone drops in to help, it should be purely to help - he should get nothing unless you decide to reward him after the fight. If players want to share XP, then they need to team up before the fight.
Yeah you stoled a whole bunch of exp from him. Maybe like 100 points out if a few hundred thousand to level.
I'd say he has issues and probably was solo for a reason. Water off a ducks back is what my advice for you is.
I do this, if the person is in short health, looks to be AFK for any reason, or is purely outnumbered I will help. If the person doesn't need help I won't bother with it. I have never been yelled at when I have helped and more often thanked. But if someone I helped did act like that they'd be on my ignore list before they'd even be able to put me on theirs. No use bothering with people like that. BTW if he tried to Pet you the GMs would laugh em off the server.
Just agreeing with those that state.. before helping someone.. check both the players and mobs health.. if the player seems to be holding his own... let him be.. its HIS fight.. on the flip side i dont think i have ever been rude to when helping someone... generally you can tell that player got more aggro then he wanted and could use an assist.. even then I try to hit mobs he hasn't already hit... but that are wailing on him. ANd yes this sometimes means standing around watching to see if the player is doing ok...
On the flip side.. my kin has helped with quest mobs regardless of player(s) health. The quest mob will yeild xp for the completion of the quest .. far more than the kill xp... so the faster he goes down the quicker the respawn is.. and we can have our turn. Further... he have invited those on "hunting quests" ... (kill 30 goblins) to jion us just so we arent competing for the mobs.. better to share the or even loose the xp than be frustrated at who can get the mob first just to get the count.
As a note a I play on Brandywine,, and have since beta. yes there are jerks there, but mostly everyone is just trying to play the game and make nice. On the "drama-meter" I say we are pretty low.
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I heartily agree with you, Beery. It is a bizarre mechanic for xp the way it is currently set up. I think that in WoW, you get all xp, all loot, everything, for every mob you tap--a much better system, imo.
I also believe that, in WoW, if you are grouped with a high-level player, your xp is also vastly reduced, which makes good sense.
Now, can a fellow high-level player in WoW accompany you (but NOT be grouped with you) and, after you tap the mobs, then pulverize them into dust, with you earning major xp? Yeah, I suppose so. And people do it, I imagine, though I can't for the life of me see the point in "power leveling" like that. Seems totally not fun. (I don't usually even like it when a highbie player accompanies me/my fellows on a lowbie mission or quest -- though sometimes, I admit, it sure is nice).
I really wish Turbine would change this xp thing; it is a lousy system, imo.
If someone helps you kill a mob you've already attacked, he gets nothing. He doesn't "steal" the XP from you, and he can't get the loot. Whoever attacked the mob first gets the loot, all of the XP awarded from the mob, and any quest advancements. The XP gained my be reduced because of the help, but the original attacker is the only one who gets any benefit from the mob dying.
What someone helping you DOES do is lower your gained XP which is there to prevent power leveling.
Below is how WOW works:
The experience amounts given above assume that the solo character and their pets have done 100% of the damage to kill the mob. Experience will be reduced when:
* Someone else (ungrouped) helps to damage the mob. The XP you receive depends on if that someone else will receive xp for killing that mob. If yes, you get full XP. If not, you get a tiny fraction. It doesn't matter how many other ungrouped help damage nor how much damage you done.
Example: You're 6th level fighting a 6th level mob. If the ungrouped helper is level 10 or lower damage the mob, you will get full XP because a character level 10 or lower can receive XP from a 6th level mob. If the ungrouped helper is level 11 or higher, you get a tiny fraction of the XP.
* Someone else (ungrouped) helps you by healing you in mid fight. This will cost you only a few XP points per heal.
* Your damage shields do significant damage to the mob. This is usually a small loss, 5-10 XP points at worst.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Wow , quite a response..try to answer a few questions..My server is snowbourn and to be honest been playing lotro since the off and the people on the server on the whole are great.The reason i named and shame the player in question is because i had so many tells from people after the incident all saying the same thing about the same person.I cant agree with the people replying that you should ask before helping, cos in most cases the player would be dead and (being a captain) would then be asking me to res them (which ofc i would).I have loads of friends on the server and to be honest i dont think the player would even find my thread offensive ,it will just give him something else to make his grumpy ego tick over about, It IS a game after all , some people take it far too serious (which is a shame).
I think anyone that is rude to other players trying to help should be castrated
lol (only joking just him).It has made me wary for the first time ever though wondering should i help or not..But as always i do help and 99% of people say thanx as do i when helped.Maybe a few of the people that agreed with his behaviour on this topic should go find a lonely , but deadly serious sever for grumpy unhelpful , selfish bigots..where you can all moan about each other and tell each other how great you are ...THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE !!!...LMAO
Thanks to everyone that reply on the positive side cos to be honest you are the people that make lotro the great game it is ....NOT the die hards that lvl a char to 50 or 60 in 24hrs..TC ALL...MAD
Bashing someone in ooc and forum and now even asking for him to be castrated...all this because he didn't say thank you...Dude you have some serious issues!
Glad i'm not on 'your' server the thought of running into you kinda freaks me out.
OP, what I find offensive is your attitude towards us readers. If you are really a person who cares about the welfare of others, you would care enough to use PARAGRAPHS!!!
Reading one of your posts makes my eyes bleed.
That being said, keep your sword in your pants unless someone asks for you to use it.
*read the horrible stories about insane xp stealing and about all the poor players involved* *turns off computer and goes out for a walk*
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Given that there's already 6 pages of replies to this thread, I hesitate to add my own beating to the dead horse, but I happen to be one of those 'blue haired' mmo player who cut his teeth on EQ 6 months after it released.
MMO etiquette at the time dictated that you did ask if a player needed help in a situation, without assuming that they did or didn't and then questioning your actions later.
Typically it wasn't uncommon to have someone stand there and watch you fight a mob and if it looked like it was going sour, for either of the party to ask if they needed help.
One thing we should remember is that the OP is offering his version of both sides of the story, we really don't know what was actually said to him from the person he had 'helped' and what we do know could ne askew with bias.
With that said, if a player is hunting solo in Moria, it's safe to presume that they should be able to handle themselves in a 1v1 fight, but there are always different circumstances that could sway that opinion in either direction. It wouldn't take very long for someone who actually had the right intention of helping someone to not assume before they react, evaluate the situation and then if there is time, see if the person would like help defeating the mob.
If in that evaluation time you target the player, then target the mob and see that there is little doubt in your mind that if you do not react that the player will be 'defeated' and you decide to assist in either adding DPS or heals to the player, and if that player turns 'rude' to you, then you being an adult know that you have a few decisions that you can make, walk away and put them on ignore, or commence the arguind and exploitation of the rude player.
But therein lies another problem, who really is the instigator in that regard?
In this regard, lesson learned. While you may always remember the other player's name, there is no need to exploit them and call for a mass black-list that only signifies to fuel your ego, understand that in LOTRO that player is a minority of the wealth of community that resides there.
Just use common sense, if you're unsure ... ask first. If it's apparent, react and then apologize later .. but always take the opportunity to learn from it and move on.
Lemme get this straight, you'd rather die then lose a little exp? Wow, the mental function of todays gamers seems to be slipping drastically. Me. I don't mind if someone gives me a hand when I have a swarm of nasties in my face, but then that's just me being a veteran gamer and knowing that most times when this occur,s it's simply someone tryin to help ya out of a bad spot.
If you are one of those damaged folks who'd rather die then lose a little exp, maybe you should start a thread containing the names of thos like you so we civil gamers can learn who to let die and who doesn't mind a friendly assist when things are lookin bad
I think it's a prime example of people getting overworked up about their game. A bit of experience, something that has no material value, is not something to get worked up about.
Being a nice person and trying to help is not something to critise someone for, but if they do it's just something you shrug off and forget about.
What do you think?
If you fight around NPC guards then the NPC will help you to kill your target, how about that? You will receive 0 XP even you tag it first.
So can you ask NPC guard to help you? It will never happen. The NPC wasn't meant to help you but they just shooting any mob within his territory.
So I think it is not the point to discuss if it is guilty to helping others but the point will be do others needs your help, and how to help others in game properly.
It's not polite to steal or lower someone's XP output. Why would anyone expect a "thank you" from someone who didn't need or want help?
Dragging this person through the mud on these forums and in-game isn't polite either. Him ignoring you was much more polite.
Learn MMO ettiquette before running around and "helping" people.
LOL , sorry to make peoples eyes bleed when reading my threads,i dont have a degree in English and punctuation isnt my best talent either.Also to the person that said the thought of meeting me kinda freaks him out...why is that? im a nice bloke..come on mate buy me a beer and chill out
and to be honest im glad your not on my server too cos i met your mate..he was the one that started all this
oh and excuse the lack of paragraphs...send me your address and ill send you some eye drops for your bleeding eyes..and i thought i was Mad?