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Aion is not a next gen MMO
coldfreedom
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aion is not a next gen mmo title. why? well the gameplay is same old generic typical mmo out there. you still get hit by a fireball that you have no option of dodging it in real-time with human-skill.
i only call a mmo next gen is when it is innovative with true real-time that can dodge a fireball.
i can almost call chronicles of spellborn a next gen title since it seems real-time and can dodge melee attack with real human-skill involve. no idea if we can dodge a fireball though but anyway the crappy graphic is holding it back from calling it a next gen title.
age of conan is almost be called next gen too but sadly not. it has real-time attack button but you still cant dodge a fireball right? and the ultimate hold back is the graphic.. sur ethe graphic is advance with all that hdr lighting ect or whatever it is but the overall visual is still look like neverwinter nights 2 even in dx10. it wont change the graphic style.
next gen mmo must have both innovating department, true real-time and graphic. aion is just a souped up lineage2 with great graphic and a blend of wow controls. super lineage2. gameplay still the same generic mmo out there. cant dodge fireball blah blah no human-skill involve. only stat involve. mmo need to stop making stat level based and make it human-skill based. cause whoever high level win is no fun.
MMO WITH STAT BASED LEVEL BASED IS ENCOURAGING CURRUPTCY...... PLAYERS WILL START ILLEGALLY/LEGALLY BUYING IN-GAME CURRENCY TO RAISE STAT AND LEVEL UP FASTER. so do you want to race each other with this kind of currupcy system? hell no i wouldnt even play. the people that buys in-game currency is jus dont notice the manipulation system.
MMO WITH PURE HUMAN-SKILL BASED, TRUE REAL-TIME, GREAT GRAPHIC.... THAT IS NEXT GEN MMO.
from the creator of aion.. from the creator of lineage2.. called blade and soul will be a true next gen mmo. innovating looking with that console feel and unparalleled graphic will surely make you drool all over.
mmorpg is getting obsolete cause its keep on bringing same old crap on the table.
WAIT FOR NEXT GEN MMO.....
..........UNTILL THEN STICK WITH FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.
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honesty.... what is really next gen lol.... i think the next gen crap all around is a lot of marketing stuff... now they named the few new ideas this days next gen... but 10 years ago or 15 years ago u could see a lot of new ideas and the term next gen was rarely used...
But is Aion fun? Will people (besides yourself) enjoy playing it? If so, it succeeds, regardless of whether it meets your narrow definitions of a next gen MMO. (that would use old school FPS combat mechanics)
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So? The game looks pretty weak also to people also so whats your point?
OP: Your not talking about a RPG but a shooter or action/adv game. RPGs are about the stats, its not about player skill but how you build your character and player strategy.
And your right Aion isnt next gen. Been checking it out and it looks like a korean WoW. With a flying gimmick. One trick pony and all that.
Thing is Aion has never hidden the fact that it is the same as other mmorpgs, it states it on its homepage.
Your saying higher lvl should not = win and i think having a slightly better ping or ablility to twitch your hands a bit faster should not = win.
Pure twitch gaming has its place but its not in rpgs, char stats and skills are what rpgs are about without them you just have an action grinder or a fps and there is no way i am paying a monthy fee for a game to be ganked by someone who thinks he is a L33T d00d cus he got a bit better twitch skills than me, at least with lvls, skills and stats i got a chance against people like that.
The moral of the story is everyone has a differant idea of fun and devs are going to go with the mass market idea of fun not the minority.
Im sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you plan on creating limitations (such as AoC's or Tcos's) you can't do anything similar to real time combat. The technologies aren't ready yet, so I'd rather have non-next gen massive battles than next-gen instanced experience.
Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.
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In the eye of businessmen, the so called TITLE '' innovative and true real- time '' combat is squashed to petty. What they exactly thirst for is '' a purse full of gold and silver coins '' , the more subz ,the more players, the more money racked in their bank account ... for them the game LABELLED '' innovative and ... '' is not nessesarily a GAUGE of success, but REVENUE for sure is.
What is the point of trying to score a Title with an empty stomach ?? Look at FUNCOM , do they want to be called '' innovative and true real-time combat'' ?? Nay, they want ya to come back and resub instead.. whether ya call their a piece of crap..
Your point is fascinating but financial profit is priority.
if i were to make my own mmo i would have japanese/korean art style example lineage2, devil may cry. it wil be 100% real-time with 100% human-skill based involved. you can dodge a fireball! using your humnan-skill!
there will be no level system. for the people that play more gets to be rewarded with extra optional skill slot and extra optional magic element slot. example everybody default has 2 elemental slot which is fire and water but if you play more and pked many players... you will be rewarded with lighting, an extra elemantal slot at your disposal. your new element obtained will not be overly do more damage... it jus an effect. lighting will stun and do not do more damage than water.
another rewarded to players who kill many players will archieve a stat customize. which is something like a +5 moving speed and -5 strt.
overall my mmorpg will not encourage curruption from both players and the make of the game. no manipulation involve. no tricks. just pure fun, pure gameplay. no work feeling, nothing but fun. players is all equal but you have very wide play-style customization without being overpowered.
pvping pking many players will earn you archievement and extra slot of powerups. at the beginning of the game you can just go kick some ass in a massively land wide world. no level system. you can still do pve and quests. dungeons will be instance like mabinogi where theres a boss at the end of the dungeon. you and your party will crawl to the end and beat the boss.. once beat it will show cutscenes and cinematic as your reward and extra disposal pvp slot.
my game focus on pvp. much content on pvp. no level system. no need to grind jus to level up and pk your enemy with your high level status.... when you can pk them with your own pure human-skill and feel good.
anyone can attack each other at anywhere and anytime. a fixed rule is avalible like duel mode pvp where no one can interfere. party battle, guild battle. the world is default a royal rumble or call it deatmatch in fps.
pking each other gets loot from each other. like clothing, accessories ect.. note clothing and stuff will not raise your stat so be assure that it will not be whoever got better clothing wins. thsi game is all about your own human-skill not equipment. also all weapons will have its own unique feature up and down on each blah blah
my game will be 2.99 monthly fee. free trial download are avalible for 2 days limit. after 2 days you will not have access. buddy key are avalible too from the retail box set. 1 buddy key in each box. will be 4 days llimit.
mmorpg does not need level system if they really wanted to.
so everybody go roam the world of "no name yet" and start pwning each other using your human-skill now!
ps. sorry about the sloppy writing. and feel free to have y idea everyone as im just a kid that wont make any game.
What Amazes me is that you were even looking into this game or Any MMo for that matter to find these so called inovative skills? So let's all be able to Dodge Fireballs....well there goes the mage class because this is what they rely on ranged attacks, so now that every 1 can dodge fireballs thus making the Mage class useless what next?, Rangers? if you can dodge a fireball then surely you can dodge an Arrow right? well let's now get rid of the Ranger cause i sure as hell dont want to play a class where my Main skills just get dodged and then i get a beat down because some Plate mail claded Warrior that weighs half a tonne just dodged my Arrow that is approximately travelling at 300+ miles per hour....this is just a stupid idea lol.
Now one would think that if you are going to try a game you would atleast do the slightest bit of research on that game so you atleast knew what you were going to be playing, now if you done this then you would have known 1: it never stated to be Next gen 2: you would have realized it was gonna be like most other MMO's out there, Or what i should be asking is did you actually try this game? in order to come up with this statement or are you just another one of the many that like to spin a yarn based on other rediculous post just like yours?
if it is the latter it is good to see that ppl still dont have anything of decent merit to flame this game about, if it is not and you have tried the game and found out it was no different to the other MMO's on the market then i am sorry that you did not take the Initiative to do some research (which by the way is not that hard ) to get some info on the game before trying it, could have saved yourself from having to write this post.
My time in game seen alot of difference compared to other MMO's, this game does actually require some player skill, you can not just spam away on 1 skill in this game and expect to survive, it requires tactics, you need to hit them right skills at them right times or else .....back to respawn point. Finally a game Where the Healer is going to play a crucial part in game, no more of being able to solo your way to End game it is just not going to happen in Aion. Im not even going to go into a Rant about all the Features this game has to offer and trust me there a few innovative little treats that you wont find in other titles, so i say again do some Research in Future and you wont be dissapointed, there is more than enough Info on the net regarding Aion it should not be that hard a task to find it.
Are you saying you want an MMORPG with FPS combat? That's just a First Person Shooter, with a lot of shooters.
Honestly, when I play Battlefield 2142 or Call of Duty, there are plenty of people to shoot me, and plenty of people to shoot.
I don't think adding more shooters makes the game any better.
We dont' have to wait for the next gen of First Person Shooters. The FPS games are already here, and they are already fun to play.
I have no idea what you're waiting on, but it's not an MMORPG.
RPG doesn't mean FPS. Duh.
Its a shame how people who do not like a game will take out time to post negative things about. When will you people understand that only your little small niche crowed is screaming for Innovation. Dont get me wrong, I think inovation is good thing but I dont think thats the problem that we have with MMOs. We dont need inovation, what we need is a MMO that polished and fun to play. When was the last time we had one of those?
If you say the next gen mmo is going to be a FPS / mmorpg hybred then i'm gonna have to pass on that. Playing Heretic II in a mmo enviroment sounds lame.
Show me a game out there that combines the two, and I will show you a game that will fail.
You cannot bring real time combat in an enviroment that has massive amounts of people fighting in one area at the same time. Dream all you want but Its just not gonna work.
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let me remind you, game developers have brain way smarter than most of us and they work in group. If you think making a good game is that easy, think again.
EDIT : from several post above, "profit is priority".. Yeah it feels good looking at people having fun with your game, but that'll last only for several hours.
Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.
rofl, own'd
anywayz, the OP makes some good points, i love skill based mmo's, considering ive been playing Neocron for 6 years straight. Never really got into fantasy based rpg, it was all about levels, and who has better gear, etc ( bigger e-peen).
Im waiting to see what Fallen Earth, Earthrise, Global Agenda, have to offer.
Aion just seems to shinny and a grind-fest imho.
i'll stick with Crysis and look at the crytek "2" engine instead
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Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.
Sorry buddy but your on the wrong forum site. Search for it and you will find it. And next time try to bring something more to the table. Your comment makes you look foolish.
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Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.
rofl, own'd
anywayz, the OP makes some good points, i love skill based mmo's, considering ive been playing Neocron for 6 years straight. Never really got into fantasy based rpg, it was all about levels, and who has better gear, etc ( bigger e-peen).
Im waiting to see what Fallen Earth, Earthrise, Global Agenda, have to offer.
Aion just seems to shinny and a grind-fest imho.
i'll stick with Crysis and look at the crytek "2" engine instead
Well if you call Neocron a good mmo game, you can have it. I'm just gonna have to pass on that one. As you said, its just not my style of game.
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What features does blade and soul have thats so special ?
The only thing I dont like about Aion is that the environment graphix dotn looks great they look very similar to linage II especialy the biuldings.
Sigh. I think you'll find that no one expects a 'next gen' MMO of Aion.
Everyone is hoping however it does what WoW did.
Re-hash the standard MMO stuff, build on it a bit, add some new dynamics and polish the living **** out of it. That boys and girls is what Aion is. A very polished game which brings a few new things to the table.
While everyone is screaming for 'MMO Revolution' they dont realise that the real revolution is still a few years away. I.e., all these new systems people are talking about in an MMO havent been built upon. FPS Combat/Realtime Combat for example is still very unrefined/unpopular on the MMO scene.
If anything, I'd say Darkfall is the next generation EQ (sorry I know its an insult) and Mortal Online would potentially be the next 'WoW'. Assuming both of these games launch.
Long story short, stop bitching, enjoy Aion until something truly revolutionary comes out.
Really what is a next gen MMo?
This term gets thrown around alot now and for every game that has said it,well it has ended in tears,The OP mentioned TCoS as maybe being a next gen as you could avoid melee attacks,well I hate to burst your bubble but at times all players do is run around in a circle in melee hoping to avoid the attack.
I tell you what instead of delivering the "next gen mmo" how about a company actually delivers a mmo that is ready for release and we build from there!
Aion has released in Korea and by all accounts has done well,now they have a few months to get it translated and sort out the bugs before it hits the EU/NA market and I tell you what...If the game is in a finished state and playable that will feel "next gen" to me after the terrible releases that have happened in the last couple of years.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
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Ummm... So you want an MMORPG that has no leveling system, no advancement, I assume no quests or gear, a twitch based fighting system and open PvP with no rules? Is there a death penalty? Factions? Crafting? Anything at all to make this not an FPS with swords and magic?
This is what you would consider next-gen?
You want to change MMORPGs into a completely different genre of game. You are basicly wanting a fantasy based FPS. Where as that's not a terrible idea, it's not the next gen of MMORPGs, it's a fantasy based FPS.
There really is no 'Next-gen' of MMORPGs. There are only various directions that different games choose to go in. Sandbox games aren't new or revolutionary, neither are twitch based MMORPGs where you can 'dodge fireballs'.
If you don't call this a next gen mmo, then i don't know...
since you said your a kid, ill go easy on you.... but so far your just rambling.
1) the game your talking about creating would cost millions capitol.
2) using your own skill to " dodge a fireball is a nice idea" but you have to consider the people playing the caster. considering most spells take a period of time to fire, how easy would it be for you to dodge it? even a kid such as yourself could do it ( one of the questionable things about darkfall imo). if you make them instant cast, the casters then become overpowered. you would have to think of a solution that fits the needs of the caster and the melee. this is partially why most games with casters and melee tend to be unbalanced.
3) for the amount your charging a month, your game wont launch because you wont get any producers or investors to help you with the money.
4) your idea about spells is pretty worthless because no1 wants to pk and pk and pk just to get some crappy spell that does as much damage as the same spell you started out with. to me, the whole point of an MMO, is to get stronger. be it through spells, or a leveling system, or whatever.
5) define fun? since fun is a variable, because it differentiates depending on the person. so your game might be fun for about 30000 thousand people acrosss america, paying 3.00 a month. but with that amount of money youll have to shut your game down soon. thats chump change in the mmo industry. fees would consume all that in a month and more.
6) even in your description of your game its still based on experience in gameplay rather than human skill. for example: sally has been playing a caster for 3 months. she has 6 skill slots (water,fire,thunder,earth,wind). i just started yesterday and only have water and fire. who do you think is going to win? no amount of skill i produced will probably let me win this battle due to a difference in spells, and time played. therefore you could say sally is a higher lvl than me.
go play at least 10 mmo's and come back and see if you have the same ideals.
NEXT gen is a term used by companies to say thier bringing something new to the table, at least thats what every 1 thinks. Next gen is actually an idea or concept that has the potential to change the way people look at a game. remember reading choose your own adventure books as a kid? someone decided " hey, i want to add that to my video game. i want people to choose whether they want to be good or bad". include a popular franchise and a powerful system,like xbox, and BOOM! youve got knights of the old republic. that game was next gen, in the sence that it took an idea thats been around for a while, and did it better than people thought possible. same thing with WoW, it simply took ideas that were already out there, and made them better.
AoC was something fresh. the combo system along with the fatalaties was cool (the idea was not new to the gaming industry, but it was fairly new to the mmo world). it could be considered next gen, but the game was just lacking in several departments, thus making it uniteresting.
AION has the potential to be next gen, if they can pull through with the flying aspect of thier game. if Aion's flight system, including mid air combat, is better than any game befor it, it can be considered next gen. there might not be any new ideas in the game, but there arent really to many new ideas that you can add to a game that hasnt been tried befor.
I agree with you 110% my friend. I'm one of the few lucky Americans who actually had the chance to play in the Korean Open Beta and I can attest that AION fits the defonition you just gave.
Every particular aspect of the game that was not "new" to the genre was in one way shape or form done at minimum "slightly better". The storyline and quest progression were masterfully done in a way I have not seen in well... forever. The flight system is also is something that will mark the turning of a new page in MMO combat. NCsoft did it the way it should be done in my opinion.
To the OP... I'm sorry bud... but "progressive free-for-all/skill based" mmorpg was tried just recently. Perhaps you may remember it... it's name was Fury. It died a most miserable and painful death.
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I think I will just DESIDE for myself what game I would like to play, I don't need anyone to tell me what I need to play just because it has next gen features in it.
I play a game because its fun to play
And as a OBT player I can say Aion is dam fun to play for me.
If its not fun for you (try playing it first before posting...lol) then bugger off mate.
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