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Jesus drank grape juice?
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That his body consumed no alcohol at all because it would be a sin.This was one of the things my younger brother told me he learned from church. I find it ridiculous that people try to trick younger kids into thinking that drinking is so bad that even Jesus drank "Grape Juice" instead of wine. It was my understanding that water was so disgusting and contaminated that wine was commonly put into a cup with water to clean it. I admit it has been five years since I have even conversed with someone on this subject. I just think instead of telling children that Wine is purely evil it would be better to tell them that "Getting drunk" is the real sin. I mean I have also seen many programs say that a glass of wine a day is good for your heart.
Any type of insight on this subject would be very helpful. I have refused to say anything about it to my brother for now until I find out more about it. I am currently reading through my King James version looking for some insight.
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These are the small group of nut jobs that Belive that Dinosaurs and man existed at the same time. When i was at a Prispetirian(Sp?) Private school they were trying to teach us that the earth was only 10k years old... When i was like But the Bible Dosent say that GODS day and ours are the same they were like WRONG!!!!!!! The Bible is created By GOD Not man and is thus Infallable. I picked up mine and pointed at the cover and went King James Bitch... Still wonder why they dident like me..
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Well here are the verses and there is no mistake that that Jesus made wine not juice .
John 2: 1-11
1On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."
4 "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
5 His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
7 Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.
8 Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."
They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
11 This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.
As many know, I am a Christian. What the OP shared I find terrible that someone should lie in a church. That disgusts me.
Furthermore, drinking is not a sin. Drinking beer is not a sin. Drinking wine is not a sin. They never were.
Getting DRUNK was and still is a sin.
Jesus drank wine for certain. There are verses that specifically mentioning Him doing so, although, the verse given above doesn't specifically mention Him drinking wine.
grr...
blessings,
MMO migrant.
you don't say....
Wine and beer were typically consumed on a daily basis.
Anyway how would they KNOW what happened?
These are the type of people who are completly unreasonable.Its the "WWJD" crowd.I googled some things for ya.
Item 1:LINKY
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Lots of info in those 3 links.
There is no "sin" inherent in the product the "sin" is in the excess use of it.People have drank and smoked and done drugs for hundreds of years for 1 reason alone.They WANT to.
What is your physical limit?
I like how Paul put it...
he said everything is permissible, but not everything is good for you. He summed it up more by saying do things but not in excess. like duh, overdosing / alcoholism / common sense, yet there it was because we're a glutton society still to this very day.
In that day eating "unclean" meat was the big sin... he said just roll with it and know you're not set apart by what you eat but by who you are (in Christ) ... which is forgiven by grace....of course there's a ton more detail i glossed over.
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I think kids are "sheltered" (lied to!) way too much and unecessarily. Our society is so oblivious that they think putting emphasis on things that are even somewhat "bad" that people don't realize that they just make things worse.
Propagandizing children always backfires. You build up false fears and then when they do uncover a lie, they begin to question the validity of everything you've ever told them.
Propagandizing adults is another story entirely. In most cases, they already want to believe the lie before you tell it to them. It's also an easy sell where religion is concerned. Adults are usually not curious enough to search for truth when a rational lie is readily available. I find it particularly funny when people fight tooth and nail to defend the lie, citing the "greater good".
Who Wants Jack Daniels ?
Btw.. paul was quoting the Corinthians when he said 'everything is permissible'. Those weren't words of doctrine, as his next words were, 'but not all things are profitable for me'.
MMO migrant.
Everything in the Bible about drinking says to avoid drunkenness, drinking alcohol in and of itself is not a sin...whatever your brother heard was false.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I love how people tend to pick and choose what is said in the bible to agree with their own sense of morality. I love even more how people have edited and translated the hell out of it to agree with their own sense of morality. It, then, intrigues me how people can read this book, manipulated and distorted by man, and take it all literally.
Think about all those nutjobs from the "Westboro Baptist Church." I wouldn't doubt that there has been groups of idiots similar to them around within the past 2000 years. Now what if one of them happened upon the task of translating the bible, or editing it, or re-writing an old manuscript of it? The Word of God would then be skewed by the beliefs of man. I'm sure this has happened, there is no way that it hasn't. Of course, the person writing the text may not have been as extreme as the westboro baptists - hell, he probably wasn't, but that person was just as biased as any one of us is.
Moshe (Moses' actual name with an english accent) received the written Teaching G Himself inscribed on the stone tablets (two times). The oral Teaching received from G Moshe delivered through the five books (Pentateuch)-- as a written teaching for the sons of Israel.
Moshe warned "not to add to not take away from it." (Deut 4:2, 12:32)
The jews later added thirty-four other books and the byzantines fabricated another twenty-seven (new testament [nt]).
G only inspired people to write the scriptures, He may not have told them what to say; what they said may be True how they said it was up to them (unlike the Prophets).
Truth usually lies hidden in the Hebrew Scriptures.
ps. Christ's name was Yeshua, with an english accent that is Joshua; might want to get the name of one's 'Savior' right and his ACTUAL teachings, the majority of the nt is other people's dogma. (If they misrepresent his name how much of the rest of it is wrong too?)
There are two classes of hypocrites among professors of religion, those that deceive others (e.g. talmudic pharise) and those that deceive themselves (e.g. hearers of the Word but not doers.)
Without knowledge of The Way how can one practice it? when one does not know "what" they do not know, they do not know "THAT" they do not know; OT gospel message (apostolic teaching) can only be found in an accurate understanding of the OT message.
I just wanted to point out that it isn't the wine that's good for your heart, it's the grapes in the wine. A glass of grape juice is just as healthy, if not moreso, than a glass of wine.
Also I have to wonder... will this desire to not "baby" your brother continue on once he starts learning history? Because if you think about it, we learn US & world history four times over... in elementary school, in jr. high, in high school, and in college. Yet every time, you learn a lot more as "society" deems one old enough to learn a bit more of the truth. When he learns about WW2, will you explain to him that Hitler wasn't a criminal because he killed people, but what he did to them that lead to their deaths?
If your brother is the inquisitive type who loves to read, I'd read to him the passages invovling Jesus and wine. Tell him that what he learns from adults is not always truthful or complete, and that he has to read or search the truth out to find it. If he's the type that just absorbs whatever is around him, then don't worry about it... he'll learn differently when he's ready.
Didn't you all know Jesus also did 2 important thing?
1. He rode around on dinosaurs.
2. Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet, he built my hot rod.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
to quote King Missile
Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
Jesus drank wine...the real stuff. The churches who tells you that Jesus only drank grape juice is doing a grave misjustice to historical accuracy....and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. My undergraduate school was a dry Christian college and they always squirmed whenever I brought up the wedding of Cana. Because they too know it was wine...they just don't like talkibg about it.
Churches first started to talk ill of wine during the puritan movement (some puritan sects...not all) and then it became widely popular during the prohibition movement when the US was a dry nation.
Take it from a guy was a priest. Jesus drank the real stuff. The sin is when you abuse it...just like anything else.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Dunno about wine but the bible definitely forbids pork.
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Levitical law forbids pork...there's a big difference.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Ah, your first point has credibility to it, as people can and do pick and choose what to do what the Bible says, but your second point is a common accusation that has no crediblity to it. The Bible HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED. If you look at ALL the major english translations of the greek manuscipts, there are no major changes to the sentense structures AT ALL that would in any way change the theme of that particular passage.
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
MMO migrant.
I am Catholic and as you know, Catholics drink. There is no sin in drinking as long as its kept in moderation. Some religions twisted the alcohol consumption.
I dated a woman who was terrified to walk into a liquor store! I convinced her that they sold fruit too. Lemons...LOL
She walked in with me.
I just wanted to point out that it isn't the wine that's good for your heart, it's the grapes in the wine. A glass of grape juice is just as healthy, if not moreso, than a glass of wine.
Also I have to wonder... will this desire to not "baby" your brother continue on once he starts learning history? Because if you think about it, we learn US & world history four times over... in elementary school, in jr. high, in high school, and in college. Yet every time, you learn a lot more as "society" deems one old enough to learn a bit more of the truth. When he learns about WW2, will you explain to him that Hitler wasn't a criminal because he killed people, but what he did to them that lead to their deaths?
If your brother is the inquisitive type who loves to read, I'd read to him the passages invovling Jesus and wine. Tell him that what he learns from adults is not always truthful or complete, and that he has to read or search the truth out to find it. If he's the type that just absorbs whatever is around him, then don't worry about it... he'll learn differently when he's ready.
Yes he is more or less the second type and I would tell him otherwise but for some reason I just do not feel it is my place. You can call it a personal issue (Which is mostly what it is) but I just do not want to confuse him so much that he looses faith. If anything I am trying to get my mother to take him to a different church because I have never liked the one he goes to now. Faith is just such a fickle thing with children now adays and it seems like one drop of water throw on it could completely douse the flame.
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At the turn of the century...
In 2008...
Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
This is his story....
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Mathew 12:31
If the turning of water into grape juice is a miracle...
Praise Him!
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
I just do not feel it is my place. First off, if an adult is LYING to him, then it is most definitely your place to tell him the truth. Make no mistake... the adult(s) he's around are lying to him for their own personal greed, not because it's good for him... but because it's good for them.
As for getting her to take him to another church, I'd suggest you go out and visit a few different churches in your area and speak not only to the resident priests, but to those who would be teaching your brother in the classes and find out what they think about the grape/wine issue. Let your mother know too that you're looking into these things because you feel strongly about making sure your brother is not given the watered-down verson of faith... nothing will shake his faith more than the realization that those in position of authority at the church lied to him.
Just make sure she knows that a single drop of grape juice could douse the flame, but a single drop of wine could fuel it more.