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They spent all their $ making sure the game is quality first

OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75

But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.

Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..

Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c

Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.

This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

 

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  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     

     

    It's funny how you say the GAME as a whole lacks quality because of hand models and animations lol. I will take this as you running out of ammo.

    Yes we are all in agreement the animations are sub par, the hand models as the char models are far from great but far from horrible. The enviroment is where the graphics seem great.

     

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     

     

    It's funny how you say the GAME as a whole lacks quality because of hand models and animations lol. I will take this as you running out of ammo.

    Yes we are all in agreement the animations are sub par, the hand models as the char models are far from great but far from horrible. The enviroment is where the graphics seem great.

     

     

    and since we agree on this /thread

  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79


    It's funny how you say the GAME as a whole lacks quality because of hand models and animations lol. I will take this as you running out of ammo. 

    Oh no I can keep going.

    Not only are the animations sub par.. but 90% of the graphics are sub par also.

    And based on the few videos released , the gameplay looks like nothing more than a very basic combat simulator at best...

    So I am trying to figure out where exactly was all this cash dumped into???

  • SeggallionSeggallion Member UncommonPosts: 684
    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79


    It's funny how you say the GAME as a whole lacks quality because of hand models and animations lol. I will take this as you running out of ammo. 

    Oh no I can keep going.

    Not only are the animations sub par.. but 90% of the graphics are sub par also.

    And based on the few videos released , the gameplay looks like nothing more than a very basic combat simulator at best...

    So I am trying to figure out where exactly was all this cash dumped into???

     

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  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79 


    The enviroment is where the graphics seem great.



    do you honestly believe that these enviornments seem "great". This is exactly what happened with Dark and Light.  One real players screenshots started leaking out everything started looking terrible.

     

  • IhmoteppIhmotepp Member Posts: 14,495

    Blizzard,  if I remember correctly, spent somewhere between 60-70 million to make WoW.

    How much of that was spent on PR? I don't know, but I don't think it was half the budget, or a 1/3 of the budget, or 1/4 of the budget.

    I think a small percentage of a development budget is PR, and that's usually handled by the Publisher, so I'm not sure it really means anything to say we spent our PR budget on the game instead.

    Or another way to look at it, if Vanguard, or AoC, or WAR spent their PR budget on the game instead, would it be that much better? I don't really think so.

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  • SeggallionSeggallion Member UncommonPosts: 684

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  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75

    Those environments are not great either segg

    They are as basic as you can possibly get. The second screenshot looks terrible.

  • raizzeenraizzeen Member Posts: 185

    all screenshots look terrible:P lol

  • SeggallionSeggallion Member UncommonPosts: 684
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    Those environments are not great either segg
    They are as basic as you can possibly get. The second screenshot looks terrible.

     

    It was better than the default setting screenie.

    Anyhow, gameplay is more important for me than having the best graphics of all games.

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  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775
    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79 


    The enviroment is where the graphics seem great.



     

     do you honestly believe that these enviornments seem "great".

     

     

     

    These are.

     

     

     

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333

    Its not that we had this topic about the animations on the video and Graphics before....

     

    Welcome to another graphics/anim thread..

     

    Moderators can you please merge this thread with the others about graphics/animations?

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  • raizzeenraizzeen Member Posts: 185
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79 


    The enviroment is where the graphics seem great.



     

     do you honestly believe that these enviornments seem "great".

     

     

     

    These are.

     

     

     

    ewww thats awfull looks like something maded from realmcrafter LOL

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775
    Originally posted by raizzeen

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79 


    The enviroment is where the graphics seem great.



     

     do you honestly believe that these enviornments seem "great".

     

     

     

    These are.

     

     

     

    ewww thats awfull looks like something maded from realmcrafter LOL

    http://realmcrafter.thegamecreators.com/shots.php

    I stand corrected, your right the above look just like Realmcrafter screenies. (Sarcasm).

     

  • darianledarianle Member UncommonPosts: 47

    not to be a hataer or anything, but the screen shot do look really bad

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775
    Originally posted by darianle


    not to be a hataer or anything, but the screen shot do look really bad

     

    Can't be mad if you don't like them. Personal taste is personal taste.

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by raizzeen

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79 


    The enviroment is where the graphics seem great.



     

     do you honestly believe that these enviornments seem "great".

     

     

     

    These are.

     

     

     

    ewww thats awfull looks like something maded from realmcrafter LOL

     

    umm no

  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     

     

    Much better animation than the 100 million crap called WAR..........at least Adventurine spent 1 tenth of that.

    Also that video is 3 months old, animation is easily fixed, like Funcom proved.

    Animation was really poor in AoC couple of months before lunch, but they fixed it just in time (probably the only thing they actually fixed ready for lunch........)



    And for me that is acceptable for a game made by an indie, MMORPGs are not normal games, they require much more resources and investments, they will never look as sleeck and shiny as an offline game, in particular if made by an Indie.

    The quality of Darkfall should be in the gameplay, I personally don't give a shit about animation, and the graphic looks good enough to me.



    I will judge the game on the gameplay only, so i suppopse I ll have to wait another month.

  • FE|TachyonFE|Tachyon Member UncommonPosts: 652
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     



     

    IF your going to make dumb claims atleast quote people correctly.

    Tasos NEVER said they dumped all their money ANYWHERE.   HE said "Why would we need a huge advertising or marketing push?"    Hes right.   Everyones buzzing about Darkfall.  Save the money untill the Buzz dies down.

  • darianledarianle Member UncommonPosts: 47

    i play wow for many years.. So graphic arent the most important thing; ulimately, it's about gameplay.  We'll see how darkfall goes.

  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     

    Oh I see what you're saying now. Sooo.... quality means... graphics? So graphics > gameplay? Its so clear now! 

  • xzyaxxzyax Member Posts: 2,459
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden


    Its not that we had this topic about the animations on the video and Graphics before....
     
    Welcome to another graphics/anim thread..
     
    Moderators can you please merge this thread with the others about graphics/animations?



     

    While I can appreciate your desire to play forum police... I would guess that you'll be making this same post in all the threads about the Jan. Release then?  Or every thread about Tasos's interview with mmorpg.com, or every thread saying how excited they are about the Jan. Release date, or... well you probably get the idea.

     

    Seems a bit disingenuous of you if you only feign concern on threads that aren't praising DarkFall and Aventurine... doesn't it?  Just curious.   

  • xzyaxxzyax Member Posts: 2,459
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     

    Oh I see what you're saying now. Sooo.... quality means... graphics? So graphics > gameplay? Its so clear now! 

    I could be wrong... but I think he meant quality means the entire game... including graphics.

     

     

    I do think that the graphics in DarkFall are good enough for what they are trying to accomplish.  To say they are A+ top-quality?   I guess, it's in the eye of the beholder then... I just don't see it.

     

    Graphics are not as important as gameplay... at least to me. 

    However, he does have a valid criticism of a statement that Tasos made.  Tasos has made many such statements saying that they are only willing to release a top-notch quality game.  He has said time and time again that they didn't want to spend money on advertising and marketing because they wanted that to go into the game instead.

    All good things to say. 

    But that is where the valid criticism comes in.  He didn't say... Great quality game, except for the animations... you'll just have to accept those being average to sub-par.  Nope, don't recall him saying that.  When he says the game is top-quality... It applies to the whole game.  That would include the animations that I think almost everyone would agree are NOT top-quality.

     

    That is what I think he was trying to say.  

  • Aragon100Aragon100 Member RarePosts: 2,686
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     



     

    Aint it funny. I gave you a quote from developer journal 22 in another thread and in a second you open a thread on whats said there.

    You is a troll with no or very little information on the game Darkfall.

    You even need the fans to give you the ammo for next troll thread.

  • siftifiedsiftified Member Posts: 258
    Originally posted by Aragon100

    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    But yet the evidence doesn't support the claim.
    Tasos stated there's no need to spend any money on marketing because they dumped it all into the game to make sure it's just amazing quaity... so it will just sell itself..
    Yet for some strange reason we're left with animations like these that look like they were built by someone just learning how to animate.
    http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c
    Kind of strange considering they supposedly dumped so much cash into making sure everything was quality but seem to have overlooked something as glaring and in your face as having proper motion capture animation or quality hand animations on PC models that everyone will be looking at constantly.
    This is just one example of how this Tasos person constantly contradicts himself everytime he open his yap... unless of course that IS quality to him..  ???  At which point you would have to seriously question his producing and quality assurance abilities.

     



     

    Aint it funny. I gave you a quote from developer journal 22 in another thread and in a second you open a thread on whats said there.

    You is a troll with no or very little information on the game Darkfall.

    You even need the fans to give you the ammo for next troll thread.

    Hehe I was just thinking the same myself

     

    Must be an amatuer troll trying to get in some sorely needed practice where he can. Either that he came home to find Tasos in bed with his mother. Why else would one spend a whole day at home spewing hate-threads about an un-released online game?

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