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Arndur
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I cant believe the guy was able to get the second off.
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That reporter liked it better in Iraq when throwing a shoe at the president meant watching his wife and daughter get raped while his toes and ears were cut off. What a piece of human trash.
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Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
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Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Another small piece of history for those who choose not to remember:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_National_Congress
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Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Didn`t i say that you would link some BS off the web to try and prove your point but that proves nothing. You are what i call a googlelar.
What I googled proves you wrong. I always try and provide evidence where I feel it is required. Sorry if that bothers you.
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This is a typical dumb comment from someone who really thinks that bush saved Iraq from saddam.
This is a typical dumb comment from someone who really thinks that Iraq was better Under saddam.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Good duck!
I hope that punk gets what he deserves for throwing a shoe at our President.
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
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"Capitalism is currently working as intended."
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
Dictatorships are not legitimate countries. Any country or any individual for that that matter has every right to remove any dictator from power, morally speaking.
All free countries should be spreading freedom throughout the world. Pity so many are also moral cowards. It wasn't just America that did this -- we only led this.
Where is the "empire?" I see us pulling out, as promised.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
Dictatorships are not legitimate countries. Any country or any individual for that that matter has every right to remove any dictator from power, morally speaking.
All free countries should be spreading freedom throughout the world. Pity so many are also moral cowards. It wasn't just America that did this -- we only led this.
Where is the "empire?" I see us pulling out, as promised.
So the USSR was not a legitimate country? Italy? Spain? China? Just because a nation has a dictatorship does not mean you can disrespect its sovereignty. America, after coming out the victor after two world wars and a cold war, some how got into the habit of deciding what nations are "evil" and what nations are "free and good". We typically find it easier to call nations with dictatorships "evil". Propaganda eventually becomes very formulaic, as we have seen with this latest "war".
Who is to say what is "free" and what is not?
We are in empire in the way that we invaded another country without even declaring war, as if we had the right to do so. And we aren't out yet.
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"Capitalism is currently working as intended."
Notice how when he did get the second shoe off and threw it at the President, and the President ducked. The symbolism there, when the shoe still hit the American flag, ha. This was a lovely video and thank you for bringing it to my attention.
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What does he say when people ask what he did? "My mommy was irking me yo - I wanted to keep pwning nubs on my xbox, so I roughed her up with a hardshell. That is just how I roll."
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
Dictatorships are not legitimate countries. Any country or any individual for that that matter has every right to remove any dictator from power, morally speaking.
All free countries should be spreading freedom throughout the world. Pity so many are also moral cowards. It wasn't just America that did this -- we only led this.
Where is the "empire?" I see us pulling out, as promised.
So the USSR was not a legitimate country? Italy? Spain? China? Just because a nation has a dictatorship does not mean you can disrespect its sovereignty. America, after coming out the victor after two world wars and a cold war, some how got into the habit of deciding what nations are "evil" and what nations are "free and good". We typically find it easier to call nations with dictatorships "evil". Propaganda eventually becomes very formulaic, as we have seen with this latest "war".
Who is to say what is "free" and what is not?
We are in empire in the way that we invaded another country without even declaring war, as if we had the right to do so. And we aren't out yet.
The USSR was certainly NOT a legitimate country, neither is China. Dictatorships are not evil "nations" they are people enslaved by an evil government. They aren't nations at all.
You and I are to say what is "free" and what is not. I see you don't care, so I'll be happy to make that decision for you.
We did NOT invade a country without a declared war. Saddam was in clear violation of the terms of surrender from the first gulf war, thus our "invasion" was merely enforcing the terms of surrender. Sorry, no matter how one looks at it, the invasion of Iraq was easily justified.
We aren't out of germany yet either. Are they also part of our empire?
fishermage.blogspot.com
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
Not to be rude but HELLO! watch the tape. Why do you think they are,and the rest of the world, treating him this way. It's a disgrace he has brought upon us all with his horrible leadership.This is just terrible to see this happen to an American President. The really sad thing is, he was trying to do the right thing. He should have just stayed with the troops, they are the only ones that matter anyway.
As for the rest of your argument well China and Russia are and where, respectively, Kingdoms from heaven compared to governments that have reigned for most of human history. I guess what your saying is that only us hallowed special few from the West in the latter part of the 20th century really matter. Wonder how Jim Crow would feel about that.
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
Not to be rude but HELLO! watch the tape. Why do you think they are,and the rest of the world, treating him this way. It's a disgrace he has brought upon us all with his horrible leadership.This is just terrible to see this happen to an American President. The really sad thing is, he was trying to do the right thing. He should have just stayed with the troops, they are the only ones that matter anyway.
The rest of the world has always treated us this way. They hated Reagan even more. How quickly people forget. People always hate their saviors. It is human nature.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
Not to be rude but HELLO! watch the tape. Why do you think they are,and the rest of the world, treating him this way. It's a disgrace he has brought upon us all with his horrible leadership.This is just terrible to see this happen to an American President. The really sad thing is, he was trying to do the right thing. He should have just stayed with the troops, they are the only ones that matter anyway.
The rest of the world has always treated us this way. They hated Reagan even more. How quickly people forget. People always hate their saviors. It is human nature.
They loved Clinton and respected the US before Bush. I don't think your going to get real far not admitting the truth of this. It just makes you look like someone who will say anything to argue and doesn't care about facts!
Saddam was captured and executed.
When has freedom ever been free.
His 2 boys are dead too.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
Not to be rude but HELLO! watch the tape. Why do you think they are,and the rest of the world, treating him this way. It's a disgrace he has brought upon us all with his horrible leadership.This is just terrible to see this happen to an American President. The really sad thing is, he was trying to do the right thing. He should have just stayed with the troops, they are the only ones that matter anyway.
The rest of the world has always treated us this way. They hated Reagan even more. How quickly people forget. People always hate their saviors. It is human nature.
They loved Clinton and respected the US before Bush. I don't think your going to get real far not admitting the truth of this. It just makes you look like someone who will say anything to argue and doesn't care about facts!
They loved Clinton because he was one of them, or at least they perceived it as such. They still hated US.
Why can't you have a civil discussion without resorting to personal attacjks? It is fine to disagree, but why be so disagreeable about it?
I will ask the question again, as I have in several threads:
Are there ANY liberals on these forums who know how decent people argue?
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bush invaded on my freedoms. Too bad us Americans didn't cry to be saved and our liberties be freed, maybe China would have invaded the US and liberated us?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
Dictatorships are not legitimate countries. Any country or any individual for that that matter has every right to remove any dictator from power, morally speaking.
All free countries should be spreading freedom throughout the world. Pity so many are also moral cowards. It wasn't just America that did this -- we only led this.
Where is the "empire?" I see us pulling out, as promised.
So the USSR was not a legitimate country? Italy? Spain? China? Just because a nation has a dictatorship does not mean you can disrespect its sovereignty. America, after coming out the victor after two world wars and a cold war, some how got into the habit of deciding what nations are "evil" and what nations are "free and good". We typically find it easier to call nations with dictatorships "evil". Propaganda eventually becomes very formulaic, as we have seen with this latest "war".
Who is to say what is "free" and what is not?
We are in empire in the way that we invaded another country without even declaring war, as if we had the right to do so. And we aren't out yet.
The USSR was certainly NOT a legitimate country, neither is China. Dictatorships are not evil "nations" they are people enslaved by an evil government. They aren't nations at all.
You and I are to say what is "free" and what is not. I see you don't care, so I'll be happy to make that decision for you.
We did NOT invade a country without a declared war. Saddam was in clear violation of the terms of surrender from the first gulf war, thus our "invasion" was merely enforcing the terms of surrender. Sorry, no matter how one looks at it, the invasion of Iraq was easily justified.
We aren't out of germany yet either. Are they also part of our empire?
Country: a political state or nation or its territory. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Country)
Countries with dictatorships are political states.
Therefore, a dictatorship is a legitimate country.
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"Capitalism is currently working as intended."
Actually, the American congress invaded on our freedoms, and sadly, the American people went along with it.
Are you saying that we live in a Stalinist dictatorship like Iraq? Are you saying Bush has rape rooms for the familes of dissidents? What is your exact point and what are you comparing? The patriot act (which I want repealed as well) to the gassing of the Kurds?
fishermage.blogspot.com
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
Dictatorships are not legitimate countries. Any country or any individual for that that matter has every right to remove any dictator from power, morally speaking.
All free countries should be spreading freedom throughout the world. Pity so many are also moral cowards. It wasn't just America that did this -- we only led this.
Where is the "empire?" I see us pulling out, as promised.
So the USSR was not a legitimate country? Italy? Spain? China? Just because a nation has a dictatorship does not mean you can disrespect its sovereignty. America, after coming out the victor after two world wars and a cold war, some how got into the habit of deciding what nations are "evil" and what nations are "free and good". We typically find it easier to call nations with dictatorships "evil". Propaganda eventually becomes very formulaic, as we have seen with this latest "war".
Who is to say what is "free" and what is not?
We are in empire in the way that we invaded another country without even declaring war, as if we had the right to do so. And we aren't out yet.
The USSR was certainly NOT a legitimate country, neither is China. Dictatorships are not evil "nations" they are people enslaved by an evil government. They aren't nations at all.
You and I are to say what is "free" and what is not. I see you don't care, so I'll be happy to make that decision for you.
We did NOT invade a country without a declared war. Saddam was in clear violation of the terms of surrender from the first gulf war, thus our "invasion" was merely enforcing the terms of surrender. Sorry, no matter how one looks at it, the invasion of Iraq was easily justified.
We aren't out of germany yet either. Are they also part of our empire?
Country: a political state or nation or its territory. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Country)
Countries with dictatorships are political states.
Therefore, a dictatorship is a legitimate country.
That says nothing about legitimacy. You don't agree with the declaration of independence?
fishermage.blogspot.com
Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
I've never seen someone so upset that a genocidal dictator was removed from power.
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Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
Dictatorships are not legitimate countries. Any country or any individual for that that matter has every right to remove any dictator from power, morally speaking.
All free countries should be spreading freedom throughout the world. Pity so many are also moral cowards. It wasn't just America that did this -- we only led this.
Where is the "empire?" I see us pulling out, as promised.
So the USSR was not a legitimate country? Italy? Spain? China? Just because a nation has a dictatorship does not mean you can disrespect its sovereignty. America, after coming out the victor after two world wars and a cold war, some how got into the habit of deciding what nations are "evil" and what nations are "free and good". We typically find it easier to call nations with dictatorships "evil". Propaganda eventually becomes very formulaic, as we have seen with this latest "war".
Who is to say what is "free" and what is not?
We are in empire in the way that we invaded another country without even declaring war, as if we had the right to do so. And we aren't out yet.
The USSR was certainly NOT a legitimate country, neither is China. Dictatorships are not evil "nations" they are people enslaved by an evil government. They aren't nations at all.
You and I are to say what is "free" and what is not. I see you don't care, so I'll be happy to make that decision for you.
We did NOT invade a country without a declared war. Saddam was in clear violation of the terms of surrender from the first gulf war, thus our "invasion" was merely enforcing the terms of surrender. Sorry, no matter how one looks at it, the invasion of Iraq was easily justified.
We aren't out of germany yet either. Are they also part of our empire?
Country: a political state or nation or its territory. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Country)
Countries with dictatorships are political states.
Therefore, a dictatorship is a legitimate country.
That says nothing about legitimacy. You don't agree with the declaration of independence?
The Declaration of Independence says nothing about the legitimacy of dictatorships or tyrannic rulers. It says that when the people who are being governed see that their rights are being infringed upon, when they no longer consent to this government, it is the right of those people to rebel against that said government and restore one that serves the people. It does not however, justify the use of military force by other nations to remove a person of power and occupy the territory of that nation. If America wants to fight dictatorships in accordance with the Declaration of Independence, then it should be done through the use of psychological warfare, and getting the people of that nation to fight against their oppressive government. Otherwise all we are doing is just committing military coups.
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Some people don't deserve saving, but as Americans we should save them anyway because it is the right thing to do. All men and women of freedom can do no less.
I don`t recall any iraqi asking to be saved, do you? You were not invited,you invaded,that`s not the same as asking to be saved. Are you really that deluded to think that the majority of people in that country don`t feel the same way as that reporter.
I know, you are going to write a big story on why it was right to go to war and what you have done for the country.. blah blah blah.
Actually, exiled Iraqis fleeing from Saddam begged the international community for decades for us to save their country. the people INSIDE the country were not so free to speak.
It goes without saying that it was the right thing to do -- no need for a big story.
Does it go without saying? sorry but millions disagree with you. You might think it was the right thing to do ,especially being the invading force but many millions don`t agree with you.
It is always the right thing to remove a dictator from power. Please show me any evidence that millions thing it was the WRONG thing to do, morally speaking. I have never seen a poll that says that.
First, to set the record straight: I am extremely pro-democracy. I believe in it more than anything else.
But I know morally speaking that it is not okay to invade other countires because they have a different political system than you. America has no right whatsoever to "spread democracy" or "remove dictators". Almost all of Europe and its population believe that America way overstepped its boundaries and that we are a disgusting, expansionist empire.
Dictatorships are not legitimate countries. Any country or any individual for that that matter has every right to remove any dictator from power, morally speaking.
All free countries should be spreading freedom throughout the world. Pity so many are also moral cowards. It wasn't just America that did this -- we only led this.
Where is the "empire?" I see us pulling out, as promised.
So the USSR was not a legitimate country? Italy? Spain? China? Just because a nation has a dictatorship does not mean you can disrespect its sovereignty. America, after coming out the victor after two world wars and a cold war, some how got into the habit of deciding what nations are "evil" and what nations are "free and good". We typically find it easier to call nations with dictatorships "evil". Propaganda eventually becomes very formulaic, as we have seen with this latest "war".
Who is to say what is "free" and what is not?
We are in empire in the way that we invaded another country without even declaring war, as if we had the right to do so. And we aren't out yet.
The USSR was certainly NOT a legitimate country, neither is China. Dictatorships are not evil "nations" they are people enslaved by an evil government. They aren't nations at all.
You and I are to say what is "free" and what is not. I see you don't care, so I'll be happy to make that decision for you.
We did NOT invade a country without a declared war. Saddam was in clear violation of the terms of surrender from the first gulf war, thus our "invasion" was merely enforcing the terms of surrender. Sorry, no matter how one looks at it, the invasion of Iraq was easily justified.
We aren't out of germany yet either. Are they also part of our empire?
Country: a political state or nation or its territory. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Country)
Countries with dictatorships are political states.
Therefore, a dictatorship is a legitimate country.
That says nothing about legitimacy. You don't agree with the declaration of independence?
The Declaration of Independence says nothing about the legitimacy of dictatorships or tyrannic rulers. It says that when the people who are being governed see that their rights are being infringed upon, when they no longer consent to this government, it is the right of those people to rebel against that said government and restore one that serves the people. It does not however, justify the use of military force by other nations to remove a person of power and occupy the territory of that nation. If America wants to fight dictatorships in accordance with the Declaration of Independence, then it should be done through the use of psychological warfare, and getting the people of that nation to fight against their oppressive government. Otherwise all we are doing is just committing military coups.
Actually the Declaration says very clearly what makes a nation legitimate and not legitimate. Their just powers are derived from the people. Are you saying that Saddam had such "just powers?"
So France was wrong to help us? We could not have won without them. We helped the Iraqi people overthrow their oppressive leader. We helped them establish a constitutional democracy for the first time in their history. Now that we have done so, we are leaving. That is perfectly in line with everything the declaration of independence calls for.
Are you claiming that saddam ruled by consent of the governed? What about the Shiites that rose up against him, all murdered by him? What about the Kurds? What about the exiled Iraqis who begged the world for help? None of them matter?
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