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EverQuest II: New Items in Station Market Place

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  • ohreallyohreally Member Posts: 106
    Originally posted by bobfish


    Free Realms and Agency will do fine, this is no indication of SOE's ability to make games, just their decisions on how to keep said games profitable after they've been out a few years.
    They aren't the only company that get desperate when games start to die.

     

    I get teh impression that SOE is using any profit they might make from this new market to fund development of these two new games. I know they aren't released yet, but when they are, and they become profitable in their own rite (if they do) do you think they will be pulling the plug on EQ1 and EQ2? There are several articles in various places online about an EQ3.....One such says they would never release EQ3 while the other 2 are still being played...Sure would be interesting to see how their fanboy botlicker base would feel if they went to log in one morning and found the game gone...It would be just like SOE to do it with no notice too...

  • LuckyRLuckyR Member UncommonPosts: 260
    Originally posted by micona


    All you EQ2 players should try out LOTR , it's not perfect but at least it's not full of lies and rmt .
    I dont regret switching one bit and having a blast , not trying to sell the game but i dont give EQ2 et sony much time in mmo's tbh the way it's going .
    ** no /pizza either :P



     

    LOTR sucks big time, I would rather play EQ2 as it is than play a crap game like that.

     

  • ohreallyohreally Member Posts: 106
    Originally posted by LuckyR

    Originally posted by micona


    All you EQ2 players should try out LOTR , it's not perfect but at least it's not full of lies and rmt .
    I dont regret switching one bit and having a blast , not trying to sell the game but i dont give EQ2 et sony much time in mmo's tbh the way it's going .
    ** no /pizza either :P



     

    LOTR sucks big time, I would rather play EQ2 as it is than play a crap game like that.

     

    Thanks, Smed, seems like you are getting around a lot these days.

     

    Another SOE bootlicker heard from.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by ohreally

    Originally posted by bobfish


    Free Realms and Agency will do fine, this is no indication of SOE's ability to make games, just their decisions on how to keep said games profitable after they've been out a few years.
    They aren't the only company that get desperate when games start to die.

     

    I get teh impression that SOE is using any profit they might make from this new market to fund development of these two new games. I know they aren't released yet, but when they are, and they become profitable in their own rite (if they do) do you think they will be pulling the plug on EQ1 and EQ2? There are several articles in various places online about an EQ3.....One such says they would never release EQ3 while the other 2 are still being played...Sure would be interesting to see how their fanboy botlicker base would feel if they went to log in one morning and found the game gone...It would be just like SOE to do it with no notice too...

     

    I get a similar impression about SOE right now.  They have 3 major projects underway and I think a fourth for the asian market.   All of these projects were started a number of years ago when SOE was doing much better than they are currently.  

    Fast forward a few years and they have 7 MMO that generate the revenue of maybe one decent game when all combined and all of their projects still require funding.  Their marketshare is maybe 20-25% of what it used to be.  Sony prime is cutting and slashing unprofitable projects and divisions. 

    This is just a suspision, but I would not be surprised if Smed got a mandate to show that all the money being invested in the new projects is a worthwhile investment.  SOE might be doing fine with their PS3 initiatives, ringtones and all the other widgets they do, but on the MMO side the books have to show they are not sustainable currently.  Since SOE can no longer hide in the motion pictures division it makes sense that they are now having to account for their time, money and manpower.   Compound that by the overall state of Sony and it become a scary picture.

     

    The way the EULA and Station Cash changes were ushered suggests that SOE might be in some real trouble. 

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    Daffid, I have been saying that all along, there is big trouble in SOE city.  They can put any kind of face on it they like, but it is a desparate cash grab by very desparate people.  It is about time Sony woke up to the consistent poor performance of this group.

    Personally, the best thing Sony could do is clean out the entire executive suite at SOE.  Those people have to be the most bumbling inept group in the gaming industry including those yahoos at EA.  To go from an industry leader to a fading also ran is pretty good indicator that the SOE execs have lost touch with the industry.

    Sorry to step on toes of those looking forward to their upcoming games, but it will get much worse.  I would recommend you pass on anything coming out of SOE for now until something changes.

  • ZibooZiboo Member UncommonPosts: 158

     I'm terribly disappointed that they've implemented this in game.  

    I've always enjoyed EQ2 and think it does offer quite a variety of things to do in game as well as having a wonderful story line etc.,  BUT this past year I've honestly felt a a bit  used after last summers 'come back and play for free crap'.  Then an expansion that rolls the whole game in to one for new subscribers, but existing we have to pay the same for a game we already own?  Oh yea we got a bear mount and a few new toys.  

    Now with this in game $$ systerm - you know its only the tip of the iceburg and SOE will keep adding a bit more and a bit more if the community doesnt 'mind'.

     I'm seriously going to consider re-upping my subscription when it comes due.  There are too many other MMO's out there competing for people's time and money.  

    Treat your subscribers right SOE or watch them disappear 

     

    Proud member of Hammerfist Clan Gaming Community.

    Currently playing: RIFT, EQ2, WoW, LoTRO
    Retired: Warhammer, AoC, EQ
    Waiting: SWToR & GW2

  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    Daffid, I have been saying that all along, there is big trouble in SOE city.  They can put any kind of face on it they like, but it is a desparate cash grab by very desparate people.  It is about time Sony woke up to the consistent poor performance of this group.
    Personally, the best thing Sony could do is clean out the entire executive suite at SOE.  Those people have to be the most bumbling inept group in the gaming industry including those yahoos at EA.  To go from an industry leader to a fading also ran is pretty good indicator that the SOE execs have lost touch with the industry.
    Sorry to step on toes of those looking forward to their upcoming games, but it will get much worse.  I would recommend you pass on anything coming out of SOE for now until something changes.

     

    Smedley said he wants to achive at least 1 Million boxes sales of DC Online and The Agency.

    I just can't stop laughing.

    I might concede that DC Online could actually sell 1 million boxes but that's because the IP rather than the quality of the game.

    What I am sure they cannot do is to retain 1 million subscribers, which is not just going to happen, I give it a couple of months and DC will have 100K subs top.

    Any other Console developer with an IP like DC Comics, could have made a game which could have sold more than 1 million boxes.

    So it will be hardly an achievement for SoE.

    As for The Agency, to me it will end up like The Matrix, it looks pretty much the same thing to me.



    What SoE is doing is slowly leaving the MMO market and entering the more wild and difficult market of the console.

    I don't think Smedley knows what he is doing.

    Firstly he is overlapping the other Sony game division, which has more experience in the sector.

    Secondly they are leaving a market which in few years time will be worth Billion of Dollars.

    WoW is just the tip of the iceberg, and SoE is getting it wrong going toward the more mainstream game market.



    Sony Pictures (which SoE answer to) should have a look at what Smedley is doing, I think they are too busy producing movies to have a good look at SoE business.

    If Sony Pictures actually wants to convert SoE to a more mainstream game developer, then Smedley is not the man.

    They should poach executives from EA or Blizzard if they want to make SoE a powerhouse.

    Either way Smedley is just a nuisance.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by ste2000




    Sony Pictures (which SoE answer to) should have a look at what Smedley is doing, I think they are too busy producing movies to have a good look at SoE business.

    If Sony Pictures actually wants to convert SoE to a more mainstream game developer, then Smedley is not the man.

    They should poach executives from EA or Blizzard if they want to make SoE a powerhouse.

    Either way Smedley is just a nuisance.

     

    Actually SOE got moved into the SCEI and are no longer part of the movie division. 

    Now that they are part of a division that knows something about games, they will have to explain their plans and their performance to people who understand the gaming market.

     

     

  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by ste2000




    Sony Pictures (which SoE answer to) should have a look at what Smedley is doing, I think they are too busy producing movies to have a good look at SoE business.

    If Sony Pictures actually wants to convert SoE to a more mainstream game developer, then Smedley is not the man.

    They should poach executives from EA or Blizzard if they want to make SoE a powerhouse.

    Either way Smedley is just a nuisance.

     

    Actually SOE got moved into the SCEI and are no longer part of the movie division. 

    Now that they are part of a division that knows something about games, they will have to explain their plans and their performance to people who understand the gaming market.

     

     



    Well if that's true,  I find it funny they allowed SoE to make games which are tailored more for console than for PC.

    SoE is supposed to be specialised in the MMO market, they actually started it with UO, so they should use their expertise (if they have any left) to make quality MMOs.

    The Agency and DC online are closer to Guild Wars than then they are to EQ/EQ2, not sure what's going on there, but someone has to wake up.

     

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by ste2000

    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by ste2000




    Sony Pictures (which SoE answer to) should have a look at what Smedley is doing, I think they are too busy producing movies to have a good look at SoE business.

    If Sony Pictures actually wants to convert SoE to a more mainstream game developer, then Smedley is not the man.

    They should poach executives from EA or Blizzard if they want to make SoE a powerhouse.

    Either way Smedley is just a nuisance.

     

    Actually SOE got moved into the SCEI and are no longer part of the movie division. 

    Now that they are part of a division that knows something about games, they will have to explain their plans and their performance to people who understand the gaming market.

     

     



    Well if that's true,  I find it funny they allowed SoE to make games which are tailored more for console than for PC.

    SoE is supposed to be specialised in the MMO market, they actually started it with UO, so they should use their expertise (if they have any left) to make quality MMOs.

    The Agency and DC online are closer to Guild Wars than then they are to EQ/EQ2, not sure what's going on there, but someone has to wake up.

     

     

    Sony is looking for anything to boost PS3 marketshare.  If I recall right there is an interview where Smedly thinks they can make an MMO that gets 20 million subs through the PC, but mostly though consoles.  I have no doubt Smed oversold his ability to make games for the PS3.

     

     

  • ohreallyohreally Member Posts: 106
    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by ste2000

    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by ste2000




    Sony Pictures (which SoE answer to) should have a look at what Smedley is doing, I think they are too busy producing movies to have a good look at SoE business.

    If Sony Pictures actually wants to convert SoE to a more mainstream game developer, then Smedley is not the man.

    They should poach executives from EA or Blizzard if they want to make SoE a powerhouse.

    Either way Smedley is just a nuisance.

     

    Actually SOE got moved into the SCEI and are no longer part of the movie division. 

    Now that they are part of a division that knows something about games, they will have to explain their plans and their performance to people who understand the gaming market.

     

     



    Well if that's true,  I find it funny they allowed SoE to make games which are tailored more for console than for PC.

    SoE is supposed to be specialised in the MMO market, they actually started it with UO, so they should use their expertise (if they have any left) to make quality MMOs.

    The Agency and DC online are closer to Guild Wars than then they are to EQ/EQ2, not sure what's going on there, but someone has to wake up.

     

     

    Sony is looking for anything to boost PS3 marketshare.  If I recall right there is an interview where Smedly thinks they can make an MMO that gets 20 million subs through the PC, but mostly though consoles.  I have no doubt Smed oversold his ability to make games for the PS3.

     

     

     

    Its rumored that EQ3 is a title being bounced about for the PS3 but won't be released to compete with EQ or EQ2. If they are already talking EQ3 and only on a console AND not until EQ1 and 2 are history, it tells me there may already be a deadline in place for the PC versions. As I said before they have a relatively small window in which to make this Station Marketplace profitable. It looks to me like this is a "Last Lunge" before dying sort of attempt. Like a Hail Mary pass at teh end of a football game, except even if they score, they still don't win...

    Smed Lied and EQ Died....

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    I don't think SOE is giving up on the PC market, just the subscription PC market.  Also I think they are getting away from any demographic that has a history with them and trying to start fresh with younger players.  Not that they won't take those players, but they are resigned that they have burned down most of those bridges and need a new base of customers.

    It sounds like they really want to get in bed with kids who think RMT is the bomb.  As can be evidenced by this article and the new cash shops.

     

     

  • ursinursin Member Posts: 148
    Originally posted by Darksix

    Originally posted by safwd


    So you get a pretty suit of armor with no stats
    Two pets that if they fight for you is a benefit but in a PVE game does it really matter. Yes there is PVP in EQ2 but most players in the game are not on PVP servers.
    Some glowing skulls that it looks like you can put in your house.
    And an EXP potion which is nice but only last for 30 minutes so no big deal there.
    Who cares.



     

    I can say that I care..anyone else???

     

    I very care. the moment they expand the 'item availability' to include non-fluff i'll be trying to find another game. unfortunately LotRO made my wife motion sick :s

     

     

    fixed typos... sigh

    "We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."

    ya. ok. whatever.

    but what do i know, i'm only a vanbois i'm told.

  • ohreallyohreally Member Posts: 106
    Originally posted by Daffid011


    I don't think SOE is giving up on the PC market, just the subscription PC market.  Also I think they are getting away from any demographic that has a history with them and trying to start fresh with younger players.  Not that they won't take those players, but they are resigned that they have burned down most of those bridges and need a new base of customers.
    It sounds like they really want to get in bed with kids who think RMT is the bomb.  As can be evidenced by this article and the new cash shops.
     
     

     

    Great plan, alienate your 26-45 demographic. We are only the ones with more money to spen on both games AND top of the line equipment that is apparently required to play new SOE games. Lets make teh teenagers our target. They have the attention span of a melting ice cube and will jump ship at a moment's notice if the game gets too slow or something that looks better comes along....

     

    Again, Way to run the company into the ground Smed...

  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077


    Originally posted by ohreally
    SOE is a stock holder owned company. Unlike Blizzard or Turbine, they can't have non profitable products on their balance sheets. The stock holders would scream bloody murder.

    :cough: PS3 :cough:

    Have a funny feeling that Sony Entertainment (not SoE) is what's funding their MMOs, as SoE obviously doesn't make enough to fund it's MMOs plus the cash shop.
     

  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077
    Originally posted by Daffid011


    I don't think SOE is giving up on the PC market, just the subscription PC market.  Also I think they are getting away from any demographic that has a history with them and trying to start fresh with younger players.  Not that they won't take those players, but they are resigned that they have burned down most of those bridges and need a new base of customers.
    It sounds like they really want to get in bed with kids who think RMT is the bomb.  As can be evidenced by this article and the new cash shops.
     
     



     

    The 15 to 21 year-old male bracket isn't a profit generator for MMOs. It's great for FPS games as it's about buying boxes, but the MMO market it's the older players who keep these games afloat (the most disposible income).

    It's more likely they're using their MMOs as test beds, as they can't get enough testers to stay on the test servers despite the incentives (more character slots, for example). The cash shop was released with zero beta testing (which means the devs had to test it somewhere else, which isn't a good sign for players that the dev team is THAT secretative [and it didn't help what that EQ2Flames founder and member did with outing the devs publicly, which spooked the devs further]).

    It's just a complete mess.

  • AedhanAedhan Member Posts: 15

       This doesnt really  bother me at all right now.   The items for the most part are useless. The only ones that give an advantage are the exp potions.... and if someone really wants a high level character, they can just buy an account.

     

        If they start adding items like high end gear, then there will be a problem, but for now it is just there to allow people to move through the game quicker, I find it bringing leveling difficulty down to WoW's level, for people that want it easy.

     

        They also add items that just give ya cool things to stick in your house etc. show off how much you love EQ2

  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077


    Originally posted by Aedhan

       This doesnt really  bother me at all right now.   The items for the most part are useless. The only ones that give an advantage are the exp potions.... and if someone really wants a high level character, they can just buy an account.


    Well, with attitude the stereotypes that will come to this genre -- that all or most MMORPG gamers are cheaters and buy their epics on mommy and daddy's credit card -- will be the genre's scarlet letter.

    Now which gamers likes to be labeled a cheater (and that it will be true, since so many claim even buying accounts is the status quo)?

    In BF2, if you're caught buying an account your butt was lamblasted up and down the gamesphere as a cheat, as it takes a long time to become an officer and busting one's butt to get good stats (which is broken down in so many ways to make a RPGer cry), even.

    Seems the cheats from FPS games got tired of that pounding, and just came over to MMORPGs as it's more acceptable to the stereotypical MMO game image.

    Shame.

  • ohreallyohreally Member Posts: 106
    Originally posted by Aedhan


       This doesnt really  bother me at all right now.   The items for the most part are useless. The only ones that give an advantage are the exp potions.... and if someone really wants a high level character, they can just buy an account.
     
        If they start adding items like high end gear, then there will be a problem, but for now it is just there to allow people to move through the game quicker, I find it bringing leveling difficulty down to WoW's level, for people that want it easy.
     
        They also add items that just give ya cool things to stick in your house etc. show off how much you love EQ2

     

    So you don't mind that they are using your subscription money to develop items that you would have to pay for to get? You are a kid aren't you. This is EXACTLY the attitude SOE is hoping for from the teenies. Although from your post count I would think you are probably an SOE employee....

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