Must have been extrabladet, lol. When you start to play more than a certain number of hours every day the social competence seems to decline.
I don't think this is always the case. We had recruits in our guild who were total jerks, didn't know how to spell, had no idea how to talk to people to make a group and didn't know how to lead a raid.
After a few months they became more mellow and started to realise what attracted players and why they were being shunned. They realised that you attract more bees with honey than vinegar because people told them and pointed it out to them.
I bet you that the people in RL who never got help like that in MMO would still be the same.
Must have been extrabladet, lol. When you start to play more than a certain number of hours every day the social competence seems to decline.
I don't think this is always the case. We had recruits in our guild who were total jerks, didn't know how to spell, had no idea how to talk to people to make a group and didn't know how to lead a raid.
After a few months they became more mellow and started to realise what attracted players and why they were being shunned. They realised that you attract more bees with honey than vinegar because people told them and pointed it out to them.
I bet you that the people in RL who never got help like that in MMO would still be the same.
MMOs have made it so I could tolerate a party an hour longer than I would have otherwise
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Originally posted by paulscott MMOs have made it so I could tolerate a party an hour longer than I would have otherwise
Exactly, you get into contact with people you would shun in RL or people who would shun you in RL, just because we have a tendency to go by looks and first impressions.
Putting someone who is socially unskilled right into the middle of a group of people is exactly what clinics and helpers all over the world do to introduce people to others. They form groups of people and let them socialize, which is exactly the format an MMO uses.
Yes, I realise it's online but it's not hard to assume that the skills you learn in MMO will be used in RL too.
i love all the honorable ppl in this thread. Because im sure evryone here has never taken a break or a shortcut or milked something ever in there lives ever. To say you wouldnt hire someone based on the fact that they play mmo's is rediculous. "Im not gonna hire you unless you bust ur ass every second of everyday that ur on my watch and then when ur not on my watch u need to go home, turn off all the lights and sit in the corner." BS... It has nothing to do with mmos. its a form of entertainment as is drinking, watching movies, playing board games. Im addicted to my daughter because i love her so mch, so i guess ill never be able to work again cause i spend too much time playing with her or stay up late with her. If ur gonna screen someone for legal things they do in there offtime, then might as well screen them for everything that anyone does at any given time. Or better yet, "your hired as long as you keep working and never leave again ever"
So they pass on WoW players.. because they may not be able to focus on the job.
*ponder*
I just am wondering if they have ever actually looked at just how focused most employees are on their jobs... They should do a study.. then maybe they could come up with a complete list of people types to avoid imho.
Probably about 700 billion or so from the federal government would fund the study...
There are some people who are just lazy bums, and employers would rightly wish to stay away from such people. If someone playing WoW enough to be unable to do proper work, then there is a problem. But the problem isn't that the person plays WoW; it's that he's a lazy bum. It's quite possible to become obsessed with plenty of other things to the degree of neglecting work.
It's also a matter of degree. If someone admits to playing WoW when directly asked, that may not be such a bad thing. If someone cannot carry on a conversation about anything other than WoW, there's a problem.
As job-interfering hobbies go, WoW may well be worse than some of other MMORPGs for some design reasons. Raids are commonly prescheduled, and "I have to do this at a particular real-life time" is far more likely to conflict with work than "I can play the game as fits my schedule". This is one of the reasons why I think strong real-life time dependence is a severe game-design defect for a game to have.
Having to play certain things for hours in a single sitting could also be a problem, as that can lead people to continuing to play the game even after they ought to do other things like sleep. Wanting to finish an instance that you're halfway through, rather than having to start over, feels more compelling when you're a couple hours in than ten minutes in. It's also more problematic when there's a couple hours to go than when there's ten minutes to go. That's one of the reasons why I think requiring long periods playing the game is also a severe game design defect.
But the biggest reason why playing WoW conflicts with work is the pvp rewards system in which whoever gets the most pvp points over the course of a few months gets epic rewards for it. With getting points strongly correlated with time spent, it's mostly rewarding whoever plays the most. And that can push people who feel like they're getting close to spend way, way too much time on the game.
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What really distracts me from doing other, important work is grading exams. Once I start grading exams, if there was something else important for me to do, I'll likely forget about it until the exams are all graded, which could be a couple of days. Once I forgot to prepare the next lecture for the class I was teaching (which is why I had exams to grade!) and remembered about 10 minutes before class started, by which time it was too late.
I've learned that I have to be careful about this when I know that I'm going to grade exams, and make sure to get anything else important out of the way before the exams. Playing MMORPGs doesn't do that to me; only exam grading. It's not like I'm terribly fond of grading exams, even, though it is funny to see some of the stupid things that students do.
That probably sounds ilke a bad satire, but I'm serious. But does that mean that universities should never hire people who might grade exams while they work there?
Wow. Who the Hell is dumb enough to mention this at an interview? Nobody wants to hear anything about your damned video game exploits. Even if it seems like your interviewer is himself really into video games, don't say nothing. Interviewers bullshit you all the time to get you to reveal stuff. You make a line. You stick to it. Even if you're John Q. Raider who spends 30 a week humping WoW dungeons, say you've never played MMORPG's. If they can tell you're the geek type, and believe me they can tell, just say you play a few single player games every now and then. Don't act like you don't enjoy video games if you have to mention them, but leave the MMORPG part, or any other type of obsessive play, out.
i love all the honorable ppl in this thread. Because im sure evryone here has never taken a break or a shortcut or milked something ever in there lives ever. To say you wouldnt hire someone based on the fact that they play mmo's is rediculous. "Im not gonna hire you unless you bust ur ass every second of everyday that ur on my watch and then when ur not on my watch u need to go home, turn off all the lights and sit in the corner." BS... It has nothing to do with mmos. its a form of entertainment as is drinking, watching movies, playing board games. Im addicted to my daughter because i love her so mch, so i guess ill never be able to work again cause i spend too much time playing with her or stay up late with her. If ur gonna screen someone for legal things they do in there offtime, then might as well screen them for everything that anyone does at any given time. Or better yet, "your hired as long as you keep working and never leave again ever"
The bottom line is nobody “owes” anyone a job. Employers want to get best employee for their money that doesn’t mean they own you, but it does mean they have to take everything into consideration. I have seen too many MMORPG addicts not to take this into consideration. I’m not simply talking about people who play on their own time, but people who A) call in sick to play stay up so late playing that they are crap the next day or C) even play during work hours in situations where they are not monitored.
I personally would rather hire an MMROPG player all other things being equal because they have some experience with the product we are working on. The problem is all things are quite often not equal, because many (not all) MMORPG players do not put in the same effort. Does that mean it may be unfair to some people? Absolutely. But hiring someone is always a hit or miss and employers have to give themselves the best chance for a hit. When it’s your investors’ money and you have only so much to spend to reach your goals, you need to consider these things.
I would also not hire WoW players, but for a wholly other reason:
Because they don't understand any paradigm than the WoW one. Even pre-WoW players, that have played WoW extensively, seem to forget anything pre-WoW, and I would hate to see my project swamped in WoW ideas, and then have to disappoint members of the team, because their ideas are rejected.
Why would a company make a WoW clone? Going up against WoW on its home turf is suicide. Recent history (Vanguard, LOTRO, AoC, WAR) has proven this.
Wow. Who the Hell is dumb enough to mention this at an interview? Nobody wants to hear anything about your damned video game exploits. Even if it seems like your interviewer is himself really into video games, don't say nothing. Interviewers bullshit you all the time to get you to reveal stuff. You make a line. You stick to it. Even if you're John Q. Raider who spends 30 a week humping WoW dungeons, say you've never played MMORPG's. If they can tell you're the geek type, and believe me they can tell, just say you play a few single player games every now and then. Don't act like you don't enjoy video games if you have to mention them, but leave the MMORPG part, or any other type of obsessive play, out.
Well around about 1990/1991 I was actively being recruited by a paticular company...
I was specificly asked about my experience with "video games" and the only reason I was hired was due to my experience.
So I would guess it all depends on what exactly you are trying to get a job doing.
I'm fairly sure that the people who work at the banks, dmv and post office around where I live. Never mentioned in a job interview that they would spend so much time doing "social facebook at work" that people would be in line an extra 20 minutes or so.
I don't honestly see why anyone would start talking about WoW or any NON related topic (for the job they want) unless asked about it.. regardless.
If people were being asked about it specificly for job screening.. then somebody is missing the big picture imho.
i love all the honorable ppl in this thread. Because im sure evryone here has never taken a break or a shortcut or milked something ever in there lives ever. To say you wouldnt hire someone based on the fact that they play mmo's is rediculous. "Im not gonna hire you unless you bust ur ass every second of everyday that ur on my watch and then when ur not on my watch u need to go home, turn off all the lights and sit in the corner." BS... It has nothing to do with mmos. its a form of entertainment as is drinking, watching movies, playing board games. Im addicted to my daughter because i love her so mch, so i guess ill never be able to work again cause i spend too much time playing with her or stay up late with her. If ur gonna screen someone for legal things they do in there offtime, then might as well screen them for everything that anyone does at any given time. Or better yet, "your hired as long as you keep working and never leave again ever"
I was raised to actually value work, not sherk from it. Plus, I'm v-e-r-y ethical, and will report the scumbag who does sherk from his duties, as *I* don't want to do his job for free.
Another thing: I sure wouldn't be hiring anyone who uses IM nor l33t speak. It has zero place in business communications. Grammar mistakes are one thing, but being so lazy to no even type long hand to better communicate with customers, or future clients, is an attitude from the start to not hire.
There's a time and place for everything, but at work you're on someone else's timeclock and getting paid to do a job, not fool around.
I would say probably not true. I work for a large organization and no one even knows what World of Warcraft is. I think it's a generational thing. Most middle to upper level managers where I work are 40 to 60 years old. They are too busy with real life and interoffice politics and charities to play videogames.
Nothing like people calling in sick for a long weekend of golf every friday or monday during warms days...
Hmm nothing like it huh? Lets see a client comes in town on the weekend and......golfing.....drinks.....strip club.......dinner out to a NICE restraunt......gets a new client or maybe a new lucrative contract. OR....client comes in from out of town and you offer him a computer in the office to play WOW ALL WEEKEND!!!! Gee whiz nothing like it at all you were right!!!
Don't be a jerk.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
And if it is true then it's just another reason to pick on a demographic. Just like the sweet guy earlier in the thread who stereotyped everyone that's not 20 something and single...
I used to work as a cook in a bar/restaurant. Let me tell you the kind of utter crap I've seen happen in that line of employment. People staying up at the bar until it closes then end up at a club, drink themselves silly, end up home with someone not their significant other and turn up at work still drunk.
Oh yeah ideal stuff right there. People who played EQ all the time when not at work were model employees compared to that mess. So please. Of course anything in excess is bad, doesn't matter if your obsession is video games, alcohol ect.. It leads to trouble.
I also recently just worked at a computer store for a bit, most people there played WoW, sales associates and techs alike. Yes sometimes people showed at work tired from staying up too late, but it's not something that rendered almost incapable of performing. Unlike showing up massively hung over or drunk, or high.
Also people have to live, start with not hiring MMO players and then what? How long will the questionaire get?
.Do you smoke, drink?
.Do you have children under the year of 5.
.Are you expecting to be married in the next 5 years?
I wouldn't ask my own recruiter to do a lot of digging about it, but if someone wolunteered to me that they had MMORPG's as a hobby, I would think twice about hiring them as well. While many people just play an hour or two here or there, you never know if you're hiring one of the obsessed ones who will skip work to play, stay up until 2am leading raids and turn up at work tired and the like. It's certainly a risk.
I liked this answer on the f13 forums:
Shrug. Everybody does something when they're not working. Just as an example, (and to be clear I do not do this, it's very illegal) I would love to avoid hiring married people with young children. Nothing sucks more time than kids, and children are always prioritized over work. I've had major problems with parents in the past. Major, major problems. If it weren't illegal, I'd hire the unkempt surly gamer with a neckbeard over the married professional guy with a lovely wife and infant at home any day of the week. Any day, any way. If only it were possible.
I also wouldn't hire anyone over 50, women, or cripples. Old people leave at 4:59:59.999, women get married and quit working or take long maternity leaves or sue your ass for harassment, and no matter what they may think, being unable to hobble with that crutch faster than 0.4MPH does impair your ability to do a white collar job, Quasimodo. But hey, all illegal.
I agree with all of that as well.
Ideally the people you are hiring are in the mid to late 20s, unmarried, no children, and tons of energy and ambition. That's the ideal person for starting with a company, I think. Anything else is less than ideal. You can't only hire on that basis, but, really, there are ways to set job qualifications and salary levels to screen effectively whom you wish to hire, really.
But as for the topic at hand, MMO gaming -- again I wouldn't ask someone to screen on that basis. But if someone were silly enough to volunteer that information in an interview, it would give me pause. Just like I wouldn't expect someone to talk about that DUI they got a few years ago (and yes, that would give me pause, too). Also, everyone should fully expect that employers are running google searches on potential hires, and credit reports are being checked, too. In the grand scheme of things, worrying about MMO use is a small thing, but again if someone volunteered it in an interview, I would be concerned that they might be one of the obsessed players who has "MMOs on the brain", and therefore not a busy little beaver that I would prefer to hire.
This made me want to vomit. People with children often possess a great skillset, were generally more patient, better at multitasking, and we arent known for doing irresponsible things like barhopping every night. We show up and work hard because we have kids to support. I dont have the luxory of calling off work for that reason alone.
Seriously, Im a better employee than any unmarried 20 somethings at my job, in 2 years, Ive never been late, not once, and have never called off due to my kids. And I do a far better job to boot.
I really want to resort to nastiness after reading this, but Ill stop here.
I agree entirely that couples or people with children can be fantastic at their job, and I shared the same feeling you did when reading that. I've also known women, elderly people, and cripples who were also great at their job. I highly doubt the person in orange actually has a white collar job or does any kind of hiring based on what they said and the lingo they used.
People need to stop trying to stereotype everyone and just see what the individual is like.
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I also recently just worked at a computer store for a bit, most people there played WoW, sales associates and techs alike. Yes sometimes people showed at work tired from staying up too late, but it's not something that rendered almost incapable of performing. Unlike showing up massively hung over or drunk, or high.
Becuase (sorry) it's not a thinking job. Being overly tired when doing any kind of job that requires a lot of mental effort is gong to kill your performance.
I hate to say this but mothers are the worst employees. They call in a ton, have no qualms about leaving as soon as they can get away with, are never willing to put in an extra hour, and generally feel they are entitled to special treatment. I've never worked with a mother that wasn't like this. Everytime I hire one I end up just replacing her, because of the excessive amounts of call-ins.
This isn't a shot at mothers, because lots of other employees suck just as bad. Its just this one particular group that never pans out.
I've never had a problem with an employee calling in to play a MMO, rushing out the door to play, or refuse to stay and help instead of going home and playing. I've never done that, and the two guys I work with that play MMOs have never done that. I've havent shown up late to work or called in sick in the last 3 years. I'm sure luck has some part to play, since I haven't been sick besides a cold in quite some time.
Mothers and drug addicts, though. Both are equally reliable.
I also recently just worked at a computer store for a bit, most people there played WoW, sales associates and techs alike. Yes sometimes people showed at work tired from staying up too late, but it's not something that rendered almost incapable of performing. Unlike showing up massively hung over or drunk, or high.
Becuase (sorry) it's not a thinking job. Being overly tired when doing any kind of job that requires a lot of mental effort is gong to kill your performance.
I'm sorry helping customers, doing inventory, ordering and managing said inventory, repairing computers both in hardware and software sectors are not thinking jobs?
This isn't a shot at mothers, because lots of other employees suck just as bad. Its just this one particular group that never pans out.
Looks like a pretty good shot to me... lol. There's so much to this issue that you refuse to see or are completely ignorant of, it's quite silly.
Be very careful what you say about others before you end up a single father in a new city with no family or friends around you to help you out. And before you tell me you're too good to ever be in that situation or something similar, be prepared to deal with it if ever you are.
Two interesting things happened... The video game players agreed that it's plausible and in some cases reasonable. WoW got bashed sure I set myself up for it by the topic. And it took 50+ posts to get exactly ontopic for a little while, needless to say everything was interestering.
I'd love to call BS But I really can't because I just know the following condition was true at some... A company has had a bad experiance a few times in a row, like a networker getting around the firewall they're responible to configure to play the game. Then I can see a company telling a recruiter to not get WoW players.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
This isn't a shot at mothers, because lots of other employees suck just as bad. Its just this one particular group that never pans out.
Looks like a pretty good shot to me... lol. There's so much to this issue that you refuse to see or are completely ignorant of, it's quite silly.
Be very careful what you say about others before you end up a single father in a new city with no family or friends around you to help you out. And before you tell me you're too good to ever be in that situation or something similar, be prepared to deal with it if ever you are.
If you say so. I'm a father myself(neither of our parents live within 80 miles), so I'm not sure why you'd think I'm totally clueless. If you think there are people out there that don't use this kid excuse every single day you are very naive.
Why are you assuming I'm talking about single mothers in new cities with no family or friends? Going out on quite a limb aren't ya?
This isn't a shot at mothers, because lots of other employees suck just as bad. Its just this one particular group that never pans out.
Looks like a pretty good shot to me... lol. There's so much to this issue that you refuse to see or are completely ignorant of, it's quite silly.
Be very careful what you say about others before you end up a single father in a new city with no family or friends around you to help you out. And before you tell me you're too good to ever be in that situation or something similar, be prepared to deal with it if ever you are.
If you say so. I'm a father myself(neither of our parents live within 80 miles), so I'm not sure why you'd think I'm totally clueless. If you think there are people out there that don't use this kid excuse every single day you are very naive.
Why are you assuming I'm talking about single mothers in new cities with no family or friends? Going out on quite a limb aren't ya?
Perfect^^! You two just need a place to get together now.
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I don't think this is always the case. We had recruits in our guild who were total jerks, didn't know how to spell, had no idea how to talk to people to make a group and didn't know how to lead a raid.
After a few months they became more mellow and started to realise what attracted players and why they were being shunned. They realised that you attract more bees with honey than vinegar because people told them and pointed it out to them.
I bet you that the people in RL who never got help like that in MMO would still be the same.
I don't think this is always the case. We had recruits in our guild who were total jerks, didn't know how to spell, had no idea how to talk to people to make a group and didn't know how to lead a raid.
After a few months they became more mellow and started to realise what attracted players and why they were being shunned. They realised that you attract more bees with honey than vinegar because people told them and pointed it out to them.
I bet you that the people in RL who never got help like that in MMO would still be the same.
MMOs have made it so I could tolerate a party an hour longer than I would have otherwise
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Exactly, you get into contact with people you would shun in RL or people who would shun you in RL, just because we have a tendency to go by looks and first impressions.
Putting someone who is socially unskilled right into the middle of a group of people is exactly what clinics and helpers all over the world do to introduce people to others. They form groups of people and let them socialize, which is exactly the format an MMO uses.
Yes, I realise it's online but it's not hard to assume that the skills you learn in MMO will be used in RL too.
i love all the honorable ppl in this thread. Because im sure evryone here has never taken a break or a shortcut or milked something ever in there lives ever. To say you wouldnt hire someone based on the fact that they play mmo's is rediculous. "Im not gonna hire you unless you bust ur ass every second of everyday that ur on my watch and then when ur not on my watch u need to go home, turn off all the lights and sit in the corner." BS... It has nothing to do with mmos. its a form of entertainment as is drinking, watching movies, playing board games. Im addicted to my daughter because i love her so mch, so i guess ill never be able to work again cause i spend too much time playing with her or stay up late with her. If ur gonna screen someone for legal things they do in there offtime, then might as well screen them for everything that anyone does at any given time. Or better yet, "your hired as long as you keep working and never leave again ever"
That would be an interesting concept.
So they pass on WoW players.. because they may not be able to focus on the job.
*ponder*
I just am wondering if they have ever actually looked at just how focused most employees are on their jobs... They should do a study.. then maybe they could come up with a complete list of people types to avoid imho.
Probably about 700 billion or so from the federal government would fund the study...
There are some people who are just lazy bums, and employers would rightly wish to stay away from such people. If someone playing WoW enough to be unable to do proper work, then there is a problem. But the problem isn't that the person plays WoW; it's that he's a lazy bum. It's quite possible to become obsessed with plenty of other things to the degree of neglecting work.
It's also a matter of degree. If someone admits to playing WoW when directly asked, that may not be such a bad thing. If someone cannot carry on a conversation about anything other than WoW, there's a problem.
As job-interfering hobbies go, WoW may well be worse than some of other MMORPGs for some design reasons. Raids are commonly prescheduled, and "I have to do this at a particular real-life time" is far more likely to conflict with work than "I can play the game as fits my schedule". This is one of the reasons why I think strong real-life time dependence is a severe game-design defect for a game to have.
Having to play certain things for hours in a single sitting could also be a problem, as that can lead people to continuing to play the game even after they ought to do other things like sleep. Wanting to finish an instance that you're halfway through, rather than having to start over, feels more compelling when you're a couple hours in than ten minutes in. It's also more problematic when there's a couple hours to go than when there's ten minutes to go. That's one of the reasons why I think requiring long periods playing the game is also a severe game design defect.
But the biggest reason why playing WoW conflicts with work is the pvp rewards system in which whoever gets the most pvp points over the course of a few months gets epic rewards for it. With getting points strongly correlated with time spent, it's mostly rewarding whoever plays the most. And that can push people who feel like they're getting close to spend way, way too much time on the game.
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What really distracts me from doing other, important work is grading exams. Once I start grading exams, if there was something else important for me to do, I'll likely forget about it until the exams are all graded, which could be a couple of days. Once I forgot to prepare the next lecture for the class I was teaching (which is why I had exams to grade!) and remembered about 10 minutes before class started, by which time it was too late.
I've learned that I have to be careful about this when I know that I'm going to grade exams, and make sure to get anything else important out of the way before the exams. Playing MMORPGs doesn't do that to me; only exam grading. It's not like I'm terribly fond of grading exams, even, though it is funny to see some of the stupid things that students do.
That probably sounds ilke a bad satire, but I'm serious. But does that mean that universities should never hire people who might grade exams while they work there?
Wow. Who the Hell is dumb enough to mention this at an interview? Nobody wants to hear anything about your damned video game exploits. Even if it seems like your interviewer is himself really into video games, don't say nothing. Interviewers bullshit you all the time to get you to reveal stuff. You make a line. You stick to it. Even if you're John Q. Raider who spends 30 a week humping WoW dungeons, say you've never played MMORPG's. If they can tell you're the geek type, and believe me they can tell, just say you play a few single player games every now and then. Don't act like you don't enjoy video games if you have to mention them, but leave the MMORPG part, or any other type of obsessive play, out.
The bottom line is nobody “owes” anyone a job. Employers want to get best employee for their money that doesn’t mean they own you, but it does mean they have to take everything into consideration. I have seen too many MMORPG addicts not to take this into consideration. I’m not simply talking about people who play on their own time, but people who A) call in sick to play
stay up so late playing that they are crap the next day or C) even play during work hours in situations where they are not monitored.
I personally would rather hire an MMROPG player all other things being equal because they have some experience with the product we are working on. The problem is all things are quite often not equal, because many (not all) MMORPG players do not put in the same effort. Does that mean it may be unfair to some people? Absolutely. But hiring someone is always a hit or miss and employers have to give themselves the best chance for a hit. When it’s your investors’ money and you have only so much to spend to reach your goals, you need to consider these things.
I would also not hire WoW players, but for a wholly other reason:
Because they don't understand any paradigm than the WoW one. Even pre-WoW players, that have played WoW extensively, seem to forget anything pre-WoW, and I would hate to see my project swamped in WoW ideas, and then have to disappoint members of the team, because their ideas are rejected.
Why would a company make a WoW clone? Going up against WoW on its home turf is suicide. Recent history (Vanguard, LOTRO, AoC, WAR) has proven this.
Of course when corporate tells you to not hire WoW players they mean all MMO players....
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Well around about 1990/1991 I was actively being recruited by a paticular company...
I was specificly asked about my experience with "video games" and the only reason I was hired was due to my experience.
So I would guess it all depends on what exactly you are trying to get a job doing.
I'm fairly sure that the people who work at the banks, dmv and post office around where I live. Never mentioned in a job interview that they would spend so much time doing "social facebook at work" that people would be in line an extra 20 minutes or so.
I don't honestly see why anyone would start talking about WoW or any NON related topic (for the job they want) unless asked about it.. regardless.
If people were being asked about it specificly for job screening.. then somebody is missing the big picture imho.
I can see where the recruiters are coming from, ...back in '94 muds were part of the reason i dropped out of college....alcohol being the other.
"It's better to burn out, than fade away!"
that makes so much more sense than the crap about the leading skills rofl.
I was raised to actually value work, not sherk from it. Plus, I'm v-e-r-y ethical, and will report the scumbag who does sherk from his duties, as *I* don't want to do his job for free.
Another thing: I sure wouldn't be hiring anyone who uses IM nor l33t speak. It has zero place in business communications. Grammar mistakes are one thing, but being so lazy to no even type long hand to better communicate with customers, or future clients, is an attitude from the start to not hire.
There's a time and place for everything, but at work you're on someone else's timeclock and getting paid to do a job, not fool around.
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I would say probably not true. I work for a large organization and no one even knows what World of Warcraft is. I think it's a generational thing. Most middle to upper level managers where I work are 40 to 60 years old. They are too busy with real life and interoffice politics and charities to play videogames.
Don't be a jerk.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
I call BS.
And if it is true then it's just another reason to pick on a demographic. Just like the sweet guy earlier in the thread who stereotyped everyone that's not 20 something and single...
I used to work as a cook in a bar/restaurant. Let me tell you the kind of utter crap I've seen happen in that line of employment. People staying up at the bar until it closes then end up at a club, drink themselves silly, end up home with someone not their significant other and turn up at work still drunk.
Oh yeah ideal stuff right there. People who played EQ all the time when not at work were model employees compared to that mess. So please. Of course anything in excess is bad, doesn't matter if your obsession is video games, alcohol ect.. It leads to trouble.
I also recently just worked at a computer store for a bit, most people there played WoW, sales associates and techs alike. Yes sometimes people showed at work tired from staying up too late, but it's not something that rendered almost incapable of performing. Unlike showing up massively hung over or drunk, or high.
Also people have to live, start with not hiring MMO players and then what? How long will the questionaire get?
.Do you smoke, drink?
.Do you have children under the year of 5.
.Are you expecting to be married in the next 5 years?
.Do you put your pants on right leg first?
Come on now.
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I liked this answer on the f13 forums:
Shrug. Everybody does something when they're not working. Just as an example, (and to be clear I do not do this, it's very illegal) I would love to avoid hiring married people with young children. Nothing sucks more time than kids, and children are always prioritized over work. I've had major problems with parents in the past. Major, major problems. If it weren't illegal, I'd hire the unkempt surly gamer with a neckbeard over the married professional guy with a lovely wife and infant at home any day of the week. Any day, any way. If only it were possible.
I also wouldn't hire anyone over 50, women, or cripples. Old people leave at 4:59:59.999, women get married and quit working or take long maternity leaves or sue your ass for harassment, and no matter what they may think, being unable to hobble with that crutch faster than 0.4MPH does impair your ability to do a white collar job, Quasimodo. But hey, all illegal.
I agree with all of that as well.
Ideally the people you are hiring are in the mid to late 20s, unmarried, no children, and tons of energy and ambition. That's the ideal person for starting with a company, I think. Anything else is less than ideal. You can't only hire on that basis, but, really, there are ways to set job qualifications and salary levels to screen effectively whom you wish to hire, really.
But as for the topic at hand, MMO gaming -- again I wouldn't ask someone to screen on that basis. But if someone were silly enough to volunteer that information in an interview, it would give me pause. Just like I wouldn't expect someone to talk about that DUI they got a few years ago (and yes, that would give me pause, too). Also, everyone should fully expect that employers are running google searches on potential hires, and credit reports are being checked, too. In the grand scheme of things, worrying about MMO use is a small thing, but again if someone volunteered it in an interview, I would be concerned that they might be one of the obsessed players who has "MMOs on the brain", and therefore not a busy little beaver that I would prefer to hire.
This made me want to vomit. People with children often possess a great skillset, were generally more patient, better at multitasking, and we arent known for doing irresponsible things like barhopping every night. We show up and work hard because we have kids to support. I dont have the luxory of calling off work for that reason alone.
Seriously, Im a better employee than any unmarried 20 somethings at my job, in 2 years, Ive never been late, not once, and have never called off due to my kids. And I do a far better job to boot.
I really want to resort to nastiness after reading this, but Ill stop here.
I agree entirely that couples or people with children can be fantastic at their job, and I shared the same feeling you did when reading that. I've also known women, elderly people, and cripples who were also great at their job. I highly doubt the person in orange actually has a white collar job or does any kind of hiring based on what they said and the lingo they used.
People need to stop trying to stereotype everyone and just see what the individual is like.
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Becuase (sorry) it's not a thinking job. Being overly tired when doing any kind of job that requires a lot of mental effort is gong to kill your performance.
I hate to say this but mothers are the worst employees. They call in a ton, have no qualms about leaving as soon as they can get away with, are never willing to put in an extra hour, and generally feel they are entitled to special treatment. I've never worked with a mother that wasn't like this. Everytime I hire one I end up just replacing her, because of the excessive amounts of call-ins.
This isn't a shot at mothers, because lots of other employees suck just as bad. Its just this one particular group that never pans out.
I've never had a problem with an employee calling in to play a MMO, rushing out the door to play, or refuse to stay and help instead of going home and playing. I've never done that, and the two guys I work with that play MMOs have never done that. I've havent shown up late to work or called in sick in the last 3 years. I'm sure luck has some part to play, since I haven't been sick besides a cold in quite some time.
Mothers and drug addicts, though. Both are equally reliable.
Becuase (sorry) it's not a thinking job. Being overly tired when doing any kind of job that requires a lot of mental effort is gong to kill your performance.
I'm sorry helping customers, doing inventory, ordering and managing said inventory, repairing computers both in hardware and software sectors are not thinking jobs?
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Looks like a pretty good shot to me... lol. There's so much to this issue that you refuse to see or are completely ignorant of, it's quite silly.
Be very careful what you say about others before you end up a single father in a new city with no family or friends around you to help you out. And before you tell me you're too good to ever be in that situation or something similar, be prepared to deal with it if ever you are.
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Two interesting things happened... The video game players agreed that it's plausible and in some cases reasonable. WoW got bashed sure I set myself up for it by the topic. And it took 50+ posts to get exactly ontopic for a little while, needless to say everything was interestering.
I'd love to call BS But I really can't because I just know the following condition was true at some... A company has had a bad experiance a few times in a row, like a networker getting around the firewall they're responible to configure to play the game. Then I can see a company telling a recruiter to not get WoW players.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Looks like a pretty good shot to me... lol. There's so much to this issue that you refuse to see or are completely ignorant of, it's quite silly.
Be very careful what you say about others before you end up a single father in a new city with no family or friends around you to help you out. And before you tell me you're too good to ever be in that situation or something similar, be prepared to deal with it if ever you are.
If you say so. I'm a father myself(neither of our parents live within 80 miles), so I'm not sure why you'd think I'm totally clueless. If you think there are people out there that don't use this kid excuse every single day you are very naive.
Why are you assuming I'm talking about single mothers in new cities with no family or friends? Going out on quite a limb aren't ya?
Looks like a pretty good shot to me... lol. There's so much to this issue that you refuse to see or are completely ignorant of, it's quite silly.
Be very careful what you say about others before you end up a single father in a new city with no family or friends around you to help you out. And before you tell me you're too good to ever be in that situation or something similar, be prepared to deal with it if ever you are.
If you say so. I'm a father myself(neither of our parents live within 80 miles), so I'm not sure why you'd think I'm totally clueless. If you think there are people out there that don't use this kid excuse every single day you are very naive.
Why are you assuming I'm talking about single mothers in new cities with no family or friends? Going out on quite a limb aren't ya?
Perfect^^! You two just need a place to get together now.