why are people always using xfire as a measurement tool for sub base? i dont use xfire as a lot of people dont, so does that mean our sub isnt counted? give up on xfire numbers.
What?! You and your friends don't use Xfire? That must mean Xfire is crap!
Go to school and learn STATISTICS.
Go to school and learn that a good statistic includes all the groups present. If I had never come to MMORPG.com I would have never even known what xfire was. I doubt that xfire represents the casual MMO gamer who just jumps on an plays the game. I've heard the excuse that presidential races can be called accurately with a small amount of people, but xfire isn't the same. It doesn't take into account hardcore or casual. It just isn't as accurate a statistic as you are trying to make it out to be.
YOU hadn't heard about Xfire before and YOU and your friend don't use it, but guess what? Some people DO use it and that's all that it takes.
We can argue about the validity of Xfire data all day. How it's only used by hardcore players or some other reasoning that sounds perfectly logical on paper but the fact is..
XFIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT IN THE PAST. ALWAYS.
It just works, although in theory it probably shouldn't.
Now is there a reason why AoC is special and Xfire, for the first time, is wrong? I don't think so. They have about 40-50k subs. Deal with it.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
YOU hadn't heard about Xfire before and YOU and your friend don't use it, but guess what? Some people DO use it and that's all that it takes. We can argue about the validity of Xfire data all day. How it's only used by hardcore players or some other reasoning that sounds perfectly logical on paper but the fact is.. XFIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT IN THE PAST. ALWAYS. It just works, although in theory it probably shouldn't. Now is there a reason why AoC is special and Xfire, for the first time, is wrong? I don't think so. They have about 40-50k subs. Deal with it.
Never thought I would come to the AoC forum and defend the game
That 4-50k number is just pulled out of your ass. Yes xfire can be used to check out trnds in games and we can all agree on that AoC lost ALOT of players since launch but its not possible to say how many. There is a certain type of players that use xfire and its very much possilbe that this kind of player left to a higher extent than lets say "casual" palyers. Most of AoCs playerbase is now alot older and not "hardcore" than the average xfire user so you cant just divide the release numbers with the current ones.
So Xfire can be used to meassure trends but not actual sub numbers.
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Never thought I would come to the AoC forum and defend the game That 4-50k number is just pulled out of your ass. Yes xfire can be used to check out trnds in games and we can all agree on that AoC lost ALOT of players since launch but its not possible to say how many. There is a certain type of players that use xfire and its very much possilbe that this kind of player left to a higher extent than lets say "casual" palyers. Most of AoCs playerbase is now alot older and not "hardcore" than the average xfire user so you cant just divide the release numbers with the current ones. So Xfire can be used to meassure trends but not actual sub numbers.
Certain type of player.. blah blah..
Yes, I know that sounds very convincing in THEORY but the FACT is Xfire has ALWAYS been right in the past and no amount of academic discussion about sample size etc. is going to change that.
Nobody knows why it works but it does.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Final Fantasy XI is ranked #70 with 433 users playing per day.
So, FFXI should have around 40,000 active subscribers according to your logic. The game actually had around 500,000 active subscribers last month.
What you need to take in consideration is that xfire users are not some random players, many dont want to use additional apps in the background and for voice chat well only newbs will use it -> ventrilo for hardcore gamers.
So saying that xfire can show you the right statistics because of many users is like selecting a group of 1500 people which like to watch let say sci fi series then do statistics how many people are following reality shows.
You think that result would be accurate ?
As for AoC as soon as game have stability issues or its hardware demanding people will start turning off xfire and other unnecessary apps in the background.
Lol @ Xfire Let's use Final Fantasy XI as examples.
Final Fantasy XI is ranked #70 with 433 users playing per day.
So, FFXI should have around 40,000 active subscribers according to your logic. The game actually had around 500,000 active subscribers last month.
What you need to take in consideration is that xfire users are not some random players, many dont want to use additional apps in the background and for voice chat well only newbs will use it -> ventrilo for hardcore gamers. So saying that xfire can show you the right statistics because of many users is like selecting a group of 1500 people which like to watch let say sci fi series then do statistics how many people are following reality shows. You think that result would be accurate ? As for AoC as soon as game have stability issues or its hardware demanding people will start turning off xfire and other unnecessary apps in the background.
*sigh* you just don't get it...
You don't use the numbers like that. You use it like this:
1. First take the number of subs Funcom said they had after launch. I believe it was something like 700k.
2. Then look at the Xfire numbers they had at THAT TIME.
3. Now look at the Xfire numbers they have TODAY (something like 7% of what they had at launch).
4. Apply that 7% to initial 700k and you'll get 49k subs
There is of course a margin of error so the real number could be something like 44k-54k subs.
Like I've said many times before.. you can talk all day long, but the fact is, Xfire has given accurate data in the past.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
why are people always using xfire as a measurement tool for sub base? i dont use xfire as a lot of people dont, so does that mean our sub isnt counted? give up on xfire numbers.
What?! You and your friends don't use Xfire? That must mean Xfire is crap!
Go to school and learn STATISTICS.
Go to school and learn that a good statistic includes all the groups present. If I had never come to MMORPG.com I would have never even known what xfire was. I doubt that xfire represents the casual MMO gamer who just jumps on an plays the game. I've heard the excuse that presidential races can be called accurately with a small amount of people, but xfire isn't the same. It doesn't take into account hardcore or casual. It just isn't as accurate a statistic as you are trying to make it out to be.
YOU hadn't heard about Xfire before and YOU and your friend don't use it, but guess what? Some people DO use it and that's all that it takes.
We can argue about the validity of Xfire data all day. How it's only used by hardcore players or some other reasoning that sounds perfectly logical on paper but the fact is..
XFIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT IN THE PAST. ALWAYS.
It just works, although in theory it probably shouldn't.
Now is there a reason why AoC is special and Xfire, for the first time, is wrong? I don't think so. They have about 40-50k subs. Deal with it.
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by bukshot
Originally posted by Scaredgirl
Originally posted by Capn23
Originally posted by Scaredgirl
Originally posted by silverreign
why are people always using xfire as a measurement tool for sub base? i dont use xfire as a lot of people dont, so does that mean our sub isnt counted? give up on xfire numbers.
What?! You and your friends don't use Xfire? That must mean Xfire is crap!
Go to school and learn STATISTICS.
Go to school and learn that a good statistic includes all the groups present. If I had never come to MMORPG.com I would have never even known what xfire was. I doubt that xfire represents the casual MMO gamer who just jumps on an plays the game. I've heard the excuse that presidential races can be called accurately with a small amount of people, but xfire isn't the same. It doesn't take into account hardcore or casual. It just isn't as accurate a statistic as you are trying to make it out to be.
YOU hadn't heard about Xfire before and YOU and your friend don't use it, but guess what? Some people DO use it and that's all that it takes.
We can argue about the validity of Xfire data all day. How it's only used by hardcore players or some other reasoning that sounds perfectly logical on paper but the fact is..
XFIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT IN THE PAST. ALWAYS.
It just works, although in theory it probably shouldn't.
Now is there a reason why AoC is special and Xfire, for the first time, is wrong? I don't think so. They have about 40-50k subs. Deal with it.
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
Reminds me of the "how many people does it take to change a light bulb" ....
The formula is all wrong, doesn't work with other games like EvE, LOTRO, WAR.
If the "F" Formula doesn't work for AoC then you have to prove it universally. (F = F@#*ed up)
The only stat is that 200+ posts in ten days were all negative.
Age of Conan will offer some type of trial or re-introduction soon and that is when Funcom fully feel the game is "A-Ok" in their eyes.
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
People are not arguing about the subs or Xfire is crap here but about how unreliable statistic based on Xfire can be concerning MMO players.Over the past 5 years I have been in 3 guilds all with MMO vets.One guild had and is still big with 400-500 folks,the second one around 70-90 and the third one around 50 folks and guess what no one use Xfire ... and this is a fact
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
People are not arguing about the subs or Xfire is crap here but about how unreliable statistic based on Xfire can be concerning MMO players.Over the past 5 years I have been in 3 guilds all with MMO vets.One guild had and is still big with 400-500 folks,the second one around 70-90 and the third one around 50 folks and guess what no one use Xfire ... and this is a fact
Yes I thnik what he/she is trying to say is that for example your guilds have never used X-Fire so they wouldnt of showed up in the initial X-Fire stats at game release. So saying you or your guild has never used them is irrelevant.
Personally I think X-fire would give a rough indicaton but is no way an accurate method. I use the how many of my friends/guild members still play AoC. Started out at about 300.....now not one left. As for being 200k current subs for AoC....even Avery would probably put it closer to the 100k mark rather than 200k. Who cares anyway....if you enjoy it keep playing it.
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
People are not arguing about the subs or Xfire is crap here but about how unreliable statistic based on Xfire can be concerning MMO players.Over the past 5 years I have been in 3 guilds all with MMO vets.One guild had and is still big with 400-500 folks,the second one around 70-90 and the third one around 50 folks and guess what no one use Xfire ... and this is a fact
Yes I thnik what he/she is trying to say is that for example your guilds have never used X-Fire so they wouldnt of showed up in the initial X-Fire stats at game release. So saying you or your guild has never used them is irrelevant.
Personally I think X-fire would give a rough indicaton but is no way an accurate method. I use the how many of my friends/guild members still play AoC. Started out at about 300.....now not one left. As for being 200k current subs for AoC....even Avery would probably put it closer to the 100k mark rather than 200k. Who cares anyway....if you enjoy it keep playing it.
Oh would you give it up trolls. You were the ones bringing xfire numbers into the discussion and now you suddenly are not looking to those numbers any more. We all know thats because the number of people playing AoC in xfire went up with like over 10% this last weekend. If you look on highest gamingtime that have been with AoC over the last 4-5 weeks, numbers are like 7-8% higher today. What does this mean, well I don't know, probably not that much, but hell. When you start an arguiment based on Xfire I expect you to finish it with Xfire also! www.xfire.com/games/aoc/Age_of_Conan_Hyborian_Adventures/
Last thing, AoC sub numbers are roughly 200000 based on FC's predicted revenue numbers for AoC this Quarter.
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Actually I think Xfire stats are quite a good indication on the drop/increase of player base. Please prove me wrong.
It is a known fact that you have to live in denial to have the energy to continue playing AoC. It happend a hardcore fanboi like me. Every single promise Funcom told I was praising.. until the day I woke up from the pipe dream i was trapped in and quit.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by S1GNAL
Actually I think Xfire stats are quite a good indication on the drop/increase of player base. Please prove me wrong. It is a known fact that you have to live in denial to have the energy to continue playing AoC. It happend a hardcore fanboi like me. Every single promise Funcom told I was praising.. until the day I woke up from the pipe dream i was trapped in and quit.
X-fire stats as much as I dislike the fact people use them wrong show that since end of August till present there has only been a drop of just over 500 people playing.
Actually I think Xfire stats are quite a good indication on the drop/increase of player base. Please prove me wrong. It is a known fact that you have to live in denial to have the energy to continue playing AoC. It happend a hardcore fanboi like me. Every single promise Funcom told I was praising.. until the day I woke up from the pipe dream i was trapped in and quit.
Actually I think Xfire stats are quite a good indication on the drop/increase of player base. Please prove me wrong. It is a known fact that you have to live in denial to have the energy to continue playing AoC. It happend a hardcore fanboi like me. Every single promise Funcom told I was praising.. until the day I woke up from the pipe dream i was trapped in and quit.
X-fire stats as much as I dislike the fact people use them wrong show that since end of August till present there has only been a drop of just over 500 people playing.
The smaller the starting number, the smaller the drop. If a game has 10,000 players 500 is a good chunk. For a game with 11.5 million, 500 is nothing.
What would be interesting to know is the ratio of new and canceled accounts.
On a side note, I decided to give AOC another try yesterday and used one of my buddy keys. I logged on to the Set server, which was my original server and seems to be one of the most populated ones.First thing I have to say is that the game is a lot more stable than it was before. However, as soon as I got into the game and read the chat, the very first line I see is someone complaining about most servers not having any players on them. One guy said that on his original server (don't remember the server name), the previous evening only about 20 or so people were on.
So we can throw Xfire numbers at each other all day and then complain that they aren't valid statistics, although I think that they do have some merit. However, people in the game complaining about dead servers and rerolling on more populated realms, serves as an indication of the real population numbers.
Actually I think Xfire stats are quite a good indication on the drop/increase of player base. Please prove me wrong. It is a known fact that you have to live in denial to have the energy to continue playing AoC. It happend a hardcore fanboi like me. Every single promise Funcom told I was praising.. until the day I woke up from the pipe dream i was trapped in and quit.
X-fire stats as much as I dislike the fact people use them wrong show that since end of August till present there has only been a drop of just over 500 people playing.
The smaller the starting number, the smaller the drop. If a game has 10,000 players 500 is a good chunk. For a game with 11.5 million, 500 is nothing.
What would be interesting to know is the ratio of new and canceled accounts.
On a side note, I decided to give AOC another try yesterday and used one of my buddy keys. I logged on to the Set server, which was my original server and seems to be one of the most populated ones.First thing I have to say is that the game is a lot more stable than it was before. However, as soon as I got into the game and read the chat, the very first line I see is someone complaining about most servers not having any players on them. One guy said that on his original server (don't remember the server name), the previous evening only about 20 or so people were on.
So we can throw Xfire numbers at each other all day and then complain that they aren't valid statistics, although I think that they do have some merit. However, people in the game complaining about dead servers and rerolling on more populated realms, serves as an indication of the real population numbers.
Dude nobody argues that there are not servers with low pop in AoC. Theres quite a few in fact, however, what people often try to pass of as a fact here is that there are no servers with good population. And that is just plain out wrong. There's like a dousin well populated servers in US at least. For europe I am not sure.... Another thing, be a bit carefull with second hand info.
Anyways, so you tried it again. Are you coming back to us anytime soon (as in resubscribing).
I put one point in the climbing skill, so i could climb off a 200 feet cliff in a hostile zone.
At some point i decide to train crafting. I look up a bit of info about the trainers, and find out i have to do quite a bit of travel, about 3 zones, to get to the trainers. I start my journey, walk, walk and then walk some more. I finally arrive at this village with huts on stilts which you can only climb unto using a ladder. I go in front of the ladder to climb it and it tells me i need 200 points in climbing to climb that 3 feet ladder. I need only 1 point in climbing to climb down a 200 feet rock cliff but i need 200 points to climb that 3 feet wooden ladder. I stare at that ladder for about 10 seconds and log off. My character is still there and i never played again.
Heres a little story about me playing Conan. I put one point in the climbing skill, so i could climb off a 200 feet cliff in a hostile zone. At some point i decide to train crafting. I look up a bit of info about the trainers, and find out i have to do quite a bit of travel, about 3 zones, to get to the trainers. I start my journey, walk, walk and then walk some more. I finally arrive at this village with huts on stilts which you can only climb unto using a ladder. I go in front of the ladder to climb it and it tells me i need 200 points in climbing to climb that 3 feet ladder. I need only 1 point in climbing to climb down a 200 feet rock cliff but i need 200 points to climb that 3 feet wooden ladder. I stare at that ladder for about 10 seconds and log off. My character is still there and i never played again.
ohh, almost sounds like WOW to me... oh, wait, you cant climb in WOW.
Heres a little story about me playing Conan. I put one point in the climbing skill, so i could climb off a 200 feet cliff in a hostile zone. At some point i decide to train crafting. I look up a bit of info about the trainers, and find out i have to do quite a bit of travel, about 3 zones, to get to the trainers. I start my journey, walk, walk and then walk some more. I finally arrive at this village with huts on stilts which you can only climb unto using a ladder. I go in front of the ladder to climb it and it tells me i need 200 points in climbing to climb that 3 feet ladder. I need only 1 point in climbing to climb down a 200 feet rock cliff but i need 200 points to climb that 3 feet wooden ladder. I stare at that ladder for about 10 seconds and log off. My character is still there and i never played again.
ohh, almost sounds like WOW to me... oh, wait, you cant climb in WOW.
Basically, it's WoW with different graphics and no factions.
Funcom initially advertised a combat system where you aim every swing and shot, but then they just went WoW and dumbed it down, bringing autotarget for all ranged and spellcasting, plus autoface for melee.
Heres a little story about me playing Conan. I put one point in the climbing skill, so i could climb off a 200 feet cliff in a hostile zone. At some point i decide to train crafting. I look up a bit of info about the trainers, and find out i have to do quite a bit of travel, about 3 zones, to get to the trainers. I start my journey, walk, walk and then walk some more. I finally arrive at this village with huts on stilts which you can only climb unto using a ladder. I go in front of the ladder to climb it and it tells me i need 200 points in climbing to climb that 3 feet ladder. I need only 1 point in climbing to climb down a 200 feet rock cliff but i need 200 points to climb that 3 feet wooden ladder. I stare at that ladder for about 10 seconds and log off. My character is still there and i never played again.
ohh, almost sounds like WOW to me... oh, wait, you cant climb in WOW.
Basically, it's WoW with different graphics and no factions.
Funcom initially advertised a combat system where you aim every swing and shot, but then they just went WoW and dumbed it down, bringing autotarget for all ranged and spellcasting, plus autoface for melee.
Did they? Ohh, did not know that. Interesting idea. ANyways, I think most of us can agree that FC already took a good deal of chances with AoC and the combat system they currently have in place. You can't have it all in one go or it would be too much of a dramatic change for most players. Maybe TSW will have what you talk about . That would have been cool. Anyways, I think AoCs combat system is heck of a lot better than for any other MMO out there now.
Dude nobody argues that there are not servers with low pop in AoC. Theres quite a few in fact, however, what people often try to pass of as a fact here is that there are no servers with good population. And that is just plain out wrong. There's like a dousin well populated servers in US at least. For europe I am not sure.... Another thing, be a bit carefull with second hand info. Anyways, so you tried it again. Are you coming back to us anytime soon (as in resubscribing).
Honestly, I couldn't get past the starting zone. After I got to the end of the tutorial, I realized that I'll have to go through Tortage again, which became a turn off after the 3rd time when I actually played the game. This test run was to see if they have fixed the stability issues and to test my new PC.
So no, I will not be resubscribing. That though has more to do with the company running it, than with the actual game itself. The game has it's share of problems but I'm sure that they will get resolved in time. Funcom, on the other hand, is dishonest and incapable of running a high profile MMO.
The smaller the starting number, the smaller the drop. If a game has 10,000 players 500 is a good chunk. For a game with 11.5 million, 500 is nothing. What would be interesting to know is the ratio of new and canceled accounts. On a side note, I decided to give AOC another try yesterday and used one of my buddy keys. I logged on to the Set server, which was my original server and seems to be one of the most populated ones.First thing I have to say is that the game is a lot more stable than it was before. However, as soon as I got into the game and read the chat, the very first line I see is someone complaining about most servers not having any players on them. One guy said that on his original server (don't remember the server name), the previous evening only about 20 or so people were on. So we can throw Xfire numbers at each other all day and then complain that they aren't valid statistics, although I think that they do have some merit. However, people in the game complaining about dead servers and rerolling on more populated realms, serves as an indication of the real population numbers.
I am not suprised, you live in US and AoC is way smaller there than in EU, the opposite of WAR. The server merges are badly needed there.
And we don't know wich server the fellow played on first, the cultural PvP are a total flop and have almost no player whatsoever, but yes AoC did drop a lot this summer (no shit) but at least my server have been quite stable since end of august (Crom (EU).
AoC might at least get some players back but I ain't see it compete with Wow, Eve or guildwars any day soon. It will stay in the league with LOTRO, EQ2 and WAR.
It is really hard to guess the sub number, X-fire is good for seeing trends in a certain game but if you compare it to other games you go wrong. And europeans rarely use it, we prefer Ventrilo, it also messes up it. I would guess AoC have something in between 125-200K.
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What?! You and your friends don't use Xfire? That must mean Xfire is crap!
Go to school and learn STATISTICS.
Go to school and learn that a good statistic includes all the groups present. If I had never come to MMORPG.com I would have never even known what xfire was. I doubt that xfire represents the casual MMO gamer who just jumps on an plays the game. I've heard the excuse that presidential races can be called accurately with a small amount of people, but xfire isn't the same. It doesn't take into account hardcore or casual. It just isn't as accurate a statistic as you are trying to make it out to be.
YOU hadn't heard about Xfire before and YOU and your friend don't use it, but guess what? Some people DO use it and that's all that it takes.
We can argue about the validity of Xfire data all day. How it's only used by hardcore players or some other reasoning that sounds perfectly logical on paper but the fact is..
XFIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT IN THE PAST. ALWAYS.
It just works, although in theory it probably shouldn't.
Now is there a reason why AoC is special and Xfire, for the first time, is wrong? I don't think so. They have about 40-50k subs. Deal with it.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Never thought I would come to the AoC forum and defend the game
That 4-50k number is just pulled out of your ass. Yes xfire can be used to check out trnds in games and we can all agree on that AoC lost ALOT of players since launch but its not possible to say how many. There is a certain type of players that use xfire and its very much possilbe that this kind of player left to a higher extent than lets say "casual" palyers. Most of AoCs playerbase is now alot older and not "hardcore" than the average xfire user so you cant just divide the release numbers with the current ones.
So Xfire can be used to meassure trends but not actual sub numbers.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Certain type of player.. blah blah..
Yes, I know that sounds very convincing in THEORY but the FACT is Xfire has ALWAYS been right in the past and no amount of academic discussion about sample size etc. is going to change that.
Nobody knows why it works but it does.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Lol @ Xfire
Let's use Final Fantasy XI as examples.
Final Fantasy XI is ranked #70 with 433 users playing per day.
So, FFXI should have around 40,000 active subscribers according to your logic. The game actually had around 500,000 active subscribers last month.
What you need to take in consideration is that xfire users are not some random players, many dont want to use additional apps in the background and for voice chat well only newbs will use it -> ventrilo for hardcore gamers.
So saying that xfire can show you the right statistics because of many users is like selecting a group of 1500 people which like to watch let say sci fi series then do statistics how many people are following reality shows.
You think that result would be accurate ?
As for AoC as soon as game have stability issues or its hardware demanding people will start turning off xfire and other unnecessary apps in the background.
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
*sigh* you just don't get it...
You don't use the numbers like that. You use it like this:
1. First take the number of subs Funcom said they had after launch. I believe it was something like 700k.
2. Then look at the Xfire numbers they had at THAT TIME.
3. Now look at the Xfire numbers they have TODAY (something like 7% of what they had at launch).
4. Apply that 7% to initial 700k and you'll get 49k subs
There is of course a margin of error so the real number could be something like 44k-54k subs.
Like I've said many times before.. you can talk all day long, but the fact is, Xfire has given accurate data in the past.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
What?! You and your friends don't use Xfire? That must mean Xfire is crap!
Go to school and learn STATISTICS.
Go to school and learn that a good statistic includes all the groups present. If I had never come to MMORPG.com I would have never even known what xfire was. I doubt that xfire represents the casual MMO gamer who just jumps on an plays the game. I've heard the excuse that presidential races can be called accurately with a small amount of people, but xfire isn't the same. It doesn't take into account hardcore or casual. It just isn't as accurate a statistic as you are trying to make it out to be.
YOU hadn't heard about Xfire before and YOU and your friend don't use it, but guess what? Some people DO use it and that's all that it takes.
We can argue about the validity of Xfire data all day. How it's only used by hardcore players or some other reasoning that sounds perfectly logical on paper but the fact is..
XFIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT IN THE PAST. ALWAYS.
It just works, although in theory it probably shouldn't.
Now is there a reason why AoC is special and Xfire, for the first time, is wrong? I don't think so. They have about 40-50k subs. Deal with it.
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
What?! You and your friends don't use Xfire? That must mean Xfire is crap!
Go to school and learn STATISTICS.
Go to school and learn that a good statistic includes all the groups present. If I had never come to MMORPG.com I would have never even known what xfire was. I doubt that xfire represents the casual MMO gamer who just jumps on an plays the game. I've heard the excuse that presidential races can be called accurately with a small amount of people, but xfire isn't the same. It doesn't take into account hardcore or casual. It just isn't as accurate a statistic as you are trying to make it out to be.
YOU hadn't heard about Xfire before and YOU and your friend don't use it, but guess what? Some people DO use it and that's all that it takes.
We can argue about the validity of Xfire data all day. How it's only used by hardcore players or some other reasoning that sounds perfectly logical on paper but the fact is..
XFIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT IN THE PAST. ALWAYS.
It just works, although in theory it probably shouldn't.
Now is there a reason why AoC is special and Xfire, for the first time, is wrong? I don't think so. They have about 40-50k subs. Deal with it.
Sorry Scaredgirl but you really make no sense? I've been playing MMO's since the first EQ, I have played ALOT. I, nor anyone I have played any of these games with use Xfire, how could it possibly give accurate statistics? The only statistics that come from it are Xfire users that play MMO's. Xfire is generally used by people who play FPS games, such as Counterstrike. I just don't understand how you could keep arguing something is clearly not accurate. But whatever. "Xfire has always been right in the past. Always" Has been right about what? And how was this verified? It wasn't.
Reminds me of the "how many people does it take to change a light bulb" ....
The formula is all wrong, doesn't work with other games like EvE, LOTRO, WAR.
If the "F" Formula doesn't work for AoC then you have to prove it universally. (F = F@#*ed up)
The only stat is that 200+ posts in ten days were all negative.
Age of Conan will offer some type of trial or re-introduction soon and that is when Funcom fully feel the game is "A-Ok" in their eyes.
No they do not deserve more subs all be it they sure are trying. Avery knows this he just will not let the game die a quick death.
MAGA
I was thinking the same myself... An MMO deserving more subs? And some cruel ppl depriving it of its subs? A tear forming...
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
People are not arguing about the subs or Xfire is crap here but about how unreliable statistic based on Xfire can be concerning MMO players.Over the past 5 years I have been in 3 guilds all with MMO vets.One guild had and is still big with 400-500 folks,the second one around 70-90 and the third one around 50 folks and guess what no one use Xfire ... and this is a fact
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
People are not arguing about the subs or Xfire is crap here but about how unreliable statistic based on Xfire can be concerning MMO players.Over the past 5 years I have been in 3 guilds all with MMO vets.One guild had and is still big with 400-500 folks,the second one around 70-90 and the third one around 50 folks and guess what no one use Xfire ... and this is a fact
Yes I thnik what he/she is trying to say is that for example your guilds have never used X-Fire so they wouldnt of showed up in the initial X-Fire stats at game release. So saying you or your guild has never used them is irrelevant.
Personally I think X-fire would give a rough indicaton but is no way an accurate method. I use the how many of my friends/guild members still play AoC. Started out at about 300.....now not one left. As for being 200k current subs for AoC....even Avery would probably put it closer to the 100k mark rather than 200k. Who cares anyway....if you enjoy it keep playing it.
Ah.. the good old "Me and my friends don't use Xfire, therefore it's crap" -argument. Sounds logical. Too bad STATISTICS don't work that way.
My second highlight is the root of the problem.
I'm done arguing with you anti-Xfire people. Belive what you want. Believe that AoC has 200k subs.
I don't care.
People are not arguing about the subs or Xfire is crap here but about how unreliable statistic based on Xfire can be concerning MMO players.Over the past 5 years I have been in 3 guilds all with MMO vets.One guild had and is still big with 400-500 folks,the second one around 70-90 and the third one around 50 folks and guess what no one use Xfire ... and this is a fact
Yes I thnik what he/she is trying to say is that for example your guilds have never used X-Fire so they wouldnt of showed up in the initial X-Fire stats at game release. So saying you or your guild has never used them is irrelevant.
Personally I think X-fire would give a rough indicaton but is no way an accurate method. I use the how many of my friends/guild members still play AoC. Started out at about 300.....now not one left. As for being 200k current subs for AoC....even Avery would probably put it closer to the 100k mark rather than 200k. Who cares anyway....if you enjoy it keep playing it.
Oh would you give it up trolls. You were the ones bringing xfire numbers into the discussion and now you suddenly are not looking to those numbers any more. We all know thats because the number of people playing AoC in xfire went up with like over 10% this last weekend. If you look on highest gamingtime that have been with AoC over the last 4-5 weeks, numbers are like 7-8% higher today. What does this mean, well I don't know, probably not that much, but hell. When you start an arguiment based on Xfire I expect you to finish it with Xfire also! www.xfire.com/games/aoc/Age_of_Conan_Hyborian_Adventures/
Last thing, AoC sub numbers are roughly 200000 based on FC's predicted revenue numbers for AoC this Quarter.
Source
But wait the all mighty Xfire stats show Dofus on 68 place I guess they dont even have 30K player.
Like always Xfire stats are always correct and valid.
p.s. It does not matter if only 200K people are playing the game XFire is still way way way off ..
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
Actually I think Xfire stats are quite a good indication on the drop/increase of player base. Please prove me wrong.
It is a known fact that you have to live in denial to have the energy to continue playing AoC. It happend a hardcore fanboi like me. Every single promise Funcom told I was praising.. until the day I woke up from the pipe dream i was trapped in and quit.
X-fire stats as much as I dislike the fact people use them wrong show that since end of August till present there has only been a drop of just over 500 people playing.
Your post does not make sense. If you have gameaddiction problems thats hardly FC's faulty. And BTW, AoC Xfire numbers up like 25% this weekend compared to last. www.xfire.com/games/aoc/Age_of_Conan_Hyborian_Adventures/
Thats more than most other games.
X-fire stats as much as I dislike the fact people use them wrong show that since end of August till present there has only been a drop of just over 500 people playing.
The smaller the starting number, the smaller the drop. If a game has 10,000 players 500 is a good chunk. For a game with 11.5 million, 500 is nothing.
What would be interesting to know is the ratio of new and canceled accounts.
On a side note, I decided to give AOC another try yesterday and used one of my buddy keys. I logged on to the Set server, which was my original server and seems to be one of the most populated ones.First thing I have to say is that the game is a lot more stable than it was before. However, as soon as I got into the game and read the chat, the very first line I see is someone complaining about most servers not having any players on them. One guy said that on his original server (don't remember the server name), the previous evening only about 20 or so people were on.
So we can throw Xfire numbers at each other all day and then complain that they aren't valid statistics, although I think that they do have some merit. However, people in the game complaining about dead servers and rerolling on more populated realms, serves as an indication of the real population numbers.
X-fire stats as much as I dislike the fact people use them wrong show that since end of August till present there has only been a drop of just over 500 people playing.
The smaller the starting number, the smaller the drop. If a game has 10,000 players 500 is a good chunk. For a game with 11.5 million, 500 is nothing.
What would be interesting to know is the ratio of new and canceled accounts.
On a side note, I decided to give AOC another try yesterday and used one of my buddy keys. I logged on to the Set server, which was my original server and seems to be one of the most populated ones.First thing I have to say is that the game is a lot more stable than it was before. However, as soon as I got into the game and read the chat, the very first line I see is someone complaining about most servers not having any players on them. One guy said that on his original server (don't remember the server name), the previous evening only about 20 or so people were on.
So we can throw Xfire numbers at each other all day and then complain that they aren't valid statistics, although I think that they do have some merit. However, people in the game complaining about dead servers and rerolling on more populated realms, serves as an indication of the real population numbers.
Dude nobody argues that there are not servers with low pop in AoC. Theres quite a few in fact, however, what people often try to pass of as a fact here is that there are no servers with good population. And that is just plain out wrong. There's like a dousin well populated servers in US at least. For europe I am not sure.... Another thing, be a bit carefull with second hand info.
Anyways, so you tried it again. Are you coming back to us anytime soon (as in resubscribing).
Heres a little story about me playing Conan.
I put one point in the climbing skill, so i could climb off a 200 feet cliff in a hostile zone.
At some point i decide to train crafting. I look up a bit of info about the trainers, and find out i have to do quite a bit of travel, about 3 zones, to get to the trainers. I start my journey, walk, walk and then walk some more. I finally arrive at this village with huts on stilts which you can only climb unto using a ladder. I go in front of the ladder to climb it and it tells me i need 200 points in climbing to climb that 3 feet ladder. I need only 1 point in climbing to climb down a 200 feet rock cliff but i need 200 points to climb that 3 feet wooden ladder. I stare at that ladder for about 10 seconds and log off. My character is still there and i never played again.
ohh, almost sounds like WOW to me... oh, wait, you cant climb in WOW.
ohh, almost sounds like WOW to me... oh, wait, you cant climb in WOW.
Basically, it's WoW with different graphics and no factions.
Funcom initially advertised a combat system where you aim every swing and shot, but then they just went WoW and dumbed it down, bringing autotarget for all ranged and spellcasting, plus autoface for melee.
ohh, almost sounds like WOW to me... oh, wait, you cant climb in WOW.
Basically, it's WoW with different graphics and no factions.
Funcom initially advertised a combat system where you aim every swing and shot, but then they just went WoW and dumbed it down, bringing autotarget for all ranged and spellcasting, plus autoface for melee.
Did they? Ohh, did not know that. Interesting idea. ANyways, I think most of us can agree that FC already took a good deal of chances with AoC and the combat system they currently have in place. You can't have it all in one go or it would be too much of a dramatic change for most players. Maybe TSW will have what you talk about
. That would have been cool. Anyways, I think AoCs combat system is heck of a lot better than for any other MMO out there now.
Honestly, I couldn't get past the starting zone. After I got to the end of the tutorial, I realized that I'll have to go through Tortage again, which became a turn off after the 3rd time when I actually played the game. This test run was to see if they have fixed the stability issues and to test my new PC.
So no, I will not be resubscribing. That though has more to do with the company running it, than with the actual game itself. The game has it's share of problems but I'm sure that they will get resolved in time. Funcom, on the other hand, is dishonest and incapable of running a high profile MMO.
But, at least you guys got the Christmas goat.
I am not suprised, you live in US and AoC is way smaller there than in EU, the opposite of WAR. The server merges are badly needed there.
And we don't know wich server the fellow played on first, the cultural PvP are a total flop and have almost no player whatsoever, but yes AoC did drop a lot this summer (no shit) but at least my server have been quite stable since end of august (Crom (EU).
AoC might at least get some players back but I ain't see it compete with Wow, Eve or guildwars any day soon. It will stay in the league with LOTRO, EQ2 and WAR.
It is really hard to guess the sub number, X-fire is good for seeing trends in a certain game but if you compare it to other games you go wrong. And europeans rarely use it, we prefer Ventrilo, it also messes up it. I would guess AoC have something in between 125-200K.