You assume when I say the game is one of the most anticipiated mmo's out there, I'm talking about the populairty on this site alone. I'm not, Darkfalls forums has something around 270 thousand members - every game I've played in the past 3 months has had people talking about darkfall on it. I wouldn't call it a gamble to assume their going to get enough people to get a solid start.
I disagree with you when you say Darkfall is taking a risk, and their method of advertising (or lack of) hasn't turned out as a solid alternative to traditional over-hyping of games. As mentioned before, there is alot of people following this game, and I doubt you can honestly say most of the people who are interested in the MMO genre hasn't heard about Darkfall yet. So to me, if it works, I'd consider it solid.
And I honestly don't know why you think my apparent tone of posts implies I'm a blind Darkfall fanboy, when I've said nothing to even endorse the game aside from what I think of their marketing stratagy, and how it's turned out. Seems it's impossible to disagree with someone on forums these days without them yelling "troll!" or "fanboy!".
Your labeling me a fanboy because I disagree with your point, there's been nothing I've said to imply I even believe Darkfall is going to pull off what they've promised (I have my doubts). how I feel about the game is I like the promised features - I havn't seen darkfalls devs remove anything without a reason I agree on, and I'm looking forward to the industry straying from the WoW style-mmos, or at least making the attempt as Darkfall is doing.
but of course if I'm to go by your logic, you seem to be bashing what appears to be a successful marketing campaign from darkfall, for no apparent reason aside from the fact it isn't status quo. there for you must be an ignorant troll?
You can go right ahead with this name calling contest, maybe we can compare e-peen sizes later, but it really doesn't back up your claim that darkfall hasn't been getting alot of hype across the MMO community.
Finally, how negative hype may be a good thing - in terms of games in development, any negativity from a troll is going to be ignored, because frankly the "you havn't seen the game yet" argument prevails. And at the very least all the attention a troll brings to darkfall might get someone to look into the game, so they can form an opinion on it - be it good or bad.
Always odd when a person starts throwing the "Troll" word around first then becomes objective to being called a fan / fanbois. Even more so when the poster tells "someone they need to give up on life" yet then turns around and starts crying "name calling" because someone states they seem like a rabid die hard fanbois.
The DF forum always is good for a laugh at human nature. My hats off to WSImike though for handling the whole post in a mature and reasonable manner. Much better then I could have ever done admittedly.
You assume when I say the game is one of the most anticipiated mmo's out there, I'm talking about the populairty on this site alone. I'm not, Darkfalls forums has something around 270 thousand members - every game I've played in the past 3 months has had people talking about darkfall on it. I wouldn't call it a gamble to assume their going to get enough people to get a solid start.
I disagree with you when you say Darkfall is taking a risk, and their method of advertising (or lack of) hasn't turned out as a solid alternative to traditional over-hyping of games. As mentioned before, there is alot of people following this game, and I doubt you can honestly say most of the people who are interested in the MMO genre hasn't heard about Darkfall yet. So to me, if it works, I'd consider it solid.
And I honestly don't know why you think my apparent tone of posts implies I'm a blind Darkfall fanboy, when I've said nothing to even endorse the game aside from what I think of their marketing stratagy, and how it's turned out. Seems it's impossible to disagree with someone on forums these days without them yelling "troll!" or "fanboy!".
Your labeling me a fanboy because I disagree with your point, there's been nothing I've said to imply I even believe Darkfall is going to pull off what they've promised (I have my doubts). how I feel about the game is I like the promised features - I havn't seen darkfalls devs remove anything without a reason I agree on, and I'm looking forward to the industry straying from the WoW style-mmos, or at least making the attempt as Darkfall is doing.
but of course if I'm to go by your logic, you seem to be bashing what appears to be a successful marketing campaign from darkfall, for no apparent reason aside from the fact it isn't status quo. there for you must be an ignorant troll?
You can go right ahead with this name calling contest, maybe we can compare e-peen sizes later, but it really doesn't back up your claim that darkfall hasn't been getting alot of hype across the MMO community.
Finally, how negative hype may be a good thing - in terms of games in development, any negativity from a troll is going to be ignored, because frankly the "you havn't seen the game yet" argument prevails. And at the very least all the attention a troll brings to darkfall might get someone to look into the game, so they can form an opinion on it - be it good or bad.
Always odd when a person starts throwing the "Troll" word around first then becomes objective to being called a fan / fanbois. Even more so when the poster tells "someone they need to give up on life" yet then turns around and starts crying "name calling" because someone states they seem like a rabid die hard fanbois.
The DF forum always is good for a laugh at human nature. My hats off to WSImike though for handling the whole post in a mature and reasonable manner. Much better then I could have ever done admittedly.
You missed the subtle sarcasm my friend. The point was calling eachother troll or fanboys wasn't going to go anywhere, you might want to re-read the post, might save you some embarassment.
On the other hand, derailing the argument with several posts refering to me reccomending you give up on life does not make your point any truer, nor was it intended to make my argument any more legit. So seriously, take it easy and move on.
I still don't see how you wouldn't play a game, even if it turned out amazing, simply because they got alot of hype without advertising. - I'm still looking forward to you explaining the logic behind that.
Pretty much all the bug testing that has been done, was done with AI scripted NPC's (bots)
Not true from what I've read. The darkfall staff mentioned they'ld done extensive internal beta testing with some hired people - but I've never seen anything mentioning using bots to find bugs ><.
link please?
Wow you really haven't been following DF much. What was it you said earlier? Ah yes "Ignorance is bliss"
What does me missing an "apparent" update, then asking for a link to it have to do with ignorance?
Still waiting for a quote or link.
You ignorance is you do not know how Darkfall has been mostly beta tested over the last year. (Or more) its not a small update. posters have been round and round about it over the last year several times its really been a fairly big thing, yet you know nothing about it? (Speaks volumes on ignorance.)
Goggle it yourself, I'm not your maid. I figure it'll give you something constructive to do other then to tell people they need to die. (you certainly seem to have both the time and the ability to type, do you need me to hold your hand or something? Young people these days they believe they have all the answers but aren't even willing to look for the information themselves.)
Pretty much all the bug testing that has been done, was done with AI scripted NPC's (bots)
Not true from what I've read. The darkfall staff mentioned they'ld done extensive internal beta testing with some hired people - but I've never seen anything mentioning using bots to find bugs ><.
link please?
Wow you really haven't been following DF much. What was it you said earlier? Ah yes "Ignorance is bliss"
What does me missing an "apparent" update, then asking for a link to it have to do with ignorance?
Still waiting for a quote or link.
You ignorance is you do not know how Darkfall has been mostly beta tested over the last year. (Or more) its not a small update. posters have been round and round about it over the last year several times its really been a fairly big thing, yet you know nothing about it? (Speaks volumes on ignorance.)
Goggle it yourself, I'm not your maid. I figure it'll give you something constructive to do other then to tell people they need to die. (you certainly seem to have both the time and the ability to type, do you need me to hold your hand or something? Young people these days they believe they have all the answers but aren't even willing to look for the information themselves.)
Firstly, I didn't say you needed to die, I simply suggested you should give up on life, if you think the marketing campaign a game runs has anything to do with how good said game is - expecially when it already has a huge amount of hype behind it.
second, there's no need to get so butthurt about it, I really don't know you well enough to form an opinion if you should die or not, and going on for 4 posts complaining about the comment isn't going to make you feel any better.
and I thought I was a huge DF fanboy? yet I missed an update that's been apparently talked about for a year now. Funny.
You missed the subtle sarcasm my friend. The point was calling eachother troll or fanboys wasn't going to go anywhere, you might want to re-read the post, might save you some embarassment. On the other hand, derailing the argument with several posts refering to me reccomending you give up on life does not make your point any truer, nor was it intended to make my argument any more legit. So seriously, take it easy and move on. I still don't see how you wouldn't play a game, even if it turned out amazing, simply because they got alot of hype without advertising. - I'm still looking forward to you explaining the logic behind that.
Ah right gotcha its perfectly ok for you to start calling people troll before anyone says your a fanbois or anything but once they do its all bad bad. if it wasn't going to go anywhere then why did you start it? Ah gosh guess i got you on that one nice try at twisting words though.
Sorry let me see if i missed anything. Your arguement was if someone has a different opinion then you they should give up on life (because that supports your facts / arguement) or they are a troll. Further They are evil/bad if they state you seem to be a fanbois because while its ok for you to throw the term troll around and tell people to die its never nice or constructive to be labled a fanbois. Sorry if I derailed your well worded, compelling and intelligent arguement which was solely grounded in reason, logic and facts.
Did I ever say i wouldn't play DF? I simply disagree with your debate style of attack/insult then QQ when your even slightly on the recieving end. Don't take it personally. i enjoyed your show. you'd never make it in debate of any type but its waa fun watching you try to and cover your mistakes (or do you really not see them?)
if you'd been here much, and i take it your pretty new due to your ignorance on things like DF's AI bot testing etc. then you Know I have nothing against DF i hope it does well. Every MMO that succeeds is good for the genre as a whole, and every playstyle should have a game to turn to, as IMO there is room for all playstyles. (Mine is no better then yours and your is no better then mine etc.). I do however dislike the unsupported / False Hype DF sometimes gets. ie 200 vs 200 batles with graphics better then AoC or LoTRO are just some of the hype Fanbois have spewed here as fact. When players log into a game expecting such things and get handed less then yes Hype can be bad for a game IMO.
You missed the subtle sarcasm my friend. The point was calling eachother troll or fanboys wasn't going to go anywhere, you might want to re-read the post, might save you some embarassment. On the other hand, derailing the argument with several posts refering to me reccomending you give up on life does not make your point any truer, nor was it intended to make my argument any more legit. So seriously, take it easy and move on. I still don't see how you wouldn't play a game, even if it turned out amazing, simply because they got alot of hype without advertising. - I'm still looking forward to you explaining the logic behind that.
Ah right gotcha its perfectly ok for you to start calling people troll before anyone says your a fanbois or anything but once they do its all bad bad. if it wasn't going to go anywhere then why did you start it? Ah gosh guess i got you on that one nice try at twisting words though.
Sorry let me see if i missed anything. Your arguement was if someone has a different opinion then you they should give up on life (because that supports your facts / arguement) or they are a troll. Further They are evil/bad if they state you seem to be a fanbois because while its ok for you to throw the term troll around and tell people to die its never nice or constructive to be labled a fanbois. Sorry if I derailed your well worded, compelling and intelligent arguement which was solely grounded in reason, logic and facts.
Did I ever say i wouldn't play DF? I simply disagree with your debate style of attack/insult then QQ when your even slightly on the recieving end. Don't take it personally. i enjoyed your show. you'd never make it in debate of any type but its waa fun watching you try to and cover your mistakes (or do you really not see them?)
if you'd been here much, and i take it your pretty new due to your ignorance on things like DF's AI bot testing etc. then you Know I have nothing against DF i hope it does well. Every MMO that succeeds is good for the genre as a whole, and every playstyle should have a game to turn to, as IMO there is room for all playstyles. (Mine is no better then yours and your is no better then mine etc.). I do however dislike the unsupported / False Hype DF sometimes gets. ie 200 vs 200 batles with graphics better then AoC or LoTRO are just some of the hype Fanbois have spewed here as fact. When players log into a game expecting such things and get handed less then yes Hype can be bad for a game IMO.
I actually havn't seen you say a single thing regarding the subject untill now.
Your just twisting what's been said, and debating an off-set insult I threw at someone? Seriously, offer an opinion or don't bother posting.
I'm saying Darkfall doesn't need to pour any more money into advertising, when they already have alot of hype surrounding them, the person I was disuccusing this with disagrees. and apparently you are just here to preach morals about saying mean things to people.
Since you were acting all hurt about what I said to the other guy, I figured you were him on an alt, I was mistaken. The point he was putting across was that he didn't want to play the game, because if they didn't advertise it's a sign their an unreliable company or something - which I disagree with. If you don't want to discuss that point then I don't know why your posting here.
You ignorance is you do not know how Darkfall has been mostly beta tested over the last year. (Or more) its not a small update. posters have been round and round about it over the last year several times its really been a fairly big thing, yet you know nothing about it? (Speaks volumes on ignorance.) Goggle it yourself, I'm not your maid. I figure it'll give you something constructive to do other then to tell people they need to die. (you certainly seem to have both the time and the ability to type, do you need me to hold your hand or something? Young people these days they believe they have all the answers but aren't even willing to look for the information themselves.)
Firstly, I didn't say you needed to die, I simply suggested you should give up on life, if you think the marketing campaign a game runs has anything to do with how good said game is - expecially when it already has a huge amount of hype behind it.
second, there's no need to get so butthurt about it, I really don't know you well enough to form an opinion if you should die or not, and going on for 4 posts complaining about the comment isn't going to make you feel any better.
and I thought I was a huge DF fanboy? yet I missed an update that's been apparently talked about for a year now. Funny.
Hell its all good I've had fun! I mean afterall if your a 12 y/o and tried to debate like this in person I'd have to treat you with kit gloves or something as it Is i can assume your a adult over the internet (perhaps incorrectly) and have a great laugh at your debate style.
Perhaps you might actually take something away from this like if you don't want to be called a fanbois, chill with the Troll term, or if you want to use the ignorant term at least show you have a basic understanding of whats been going on for the last year with the game. and if you want anything in your arguement to be taken seriously then don't make it a point to tell people they should give up on life as the factual basis of your arguement.... nah that'll never happen just too complex for kids these days to understand I guess.
You ignorance is you do not know how Darkfall has been mostly beta tested over the last year. (Or more) its not a small update. posters have been round and round about it over the last year several times its really been a fairly big thing, yet you know nothing about it? (Speaks volumes on ignorance.) Goggle it yourself, I'm not your maid. I figure it'll give you something constructive to do other then to tell people they need to die. (you certainly seem to have both the time and the ability to type, do you need me to hold your hand or something? Young people these days they believe they have all the answers but aren't even willing to look for the information themselves.)
Firstly, I didn't say you needed to die, I simply suggested you should give up on life, if you think the marketing campaign a game runs has anything to do with how good said game is - expecially when it already has a huge amount of hype behind it.
second, there's no need to get so butthurt about it, I really don't know you well enough to form an opinion if you should die or not, and going on for 4 posts complaining about the comment isn't going to make you feel any better.
and I thought I was a huge DF fanboy? yet I missed an update that's been apparently talked about for a year now. Funny.
Hell its all good I've had fun! I mean afterall if your a 12 y/o and tried to debate like this in person I'd have to treat you with kit gloves or something as it Is i can assume your a adult over the internet (perhaps incorrectly) and have a great laugh at your debate style.
Perhaps you might actually take something away from this like if you don't want to be called a fanbois, chill with the Troll term, or if you want to use the ignorant term at least show you have a basic understanding of whats been going on for the last year with the game. and if you want anything in your arguement to be taken seriously then don't make it a point to tell people they should give up on life as the factual basis of your arguement.... nah that'll never happen just too complex for kids these days to understand I guess.
Cheers
/facepalm
suppose you were just arguing for the sake of arguing. Obviously this discussion isn't going anywhere, at least the other guy was trying to make a point, your just trying to bash mindlessly.
I actually havn't seen you say a single thing regarding the subject untill now. Your just twisting what's been said, and debating an off-set insult I threw at someone? Seriously, offer an opinion or don't bother posting. I'm saying Darkfall doesn't need to pour any more money into advertising, when they already have alot of hype surrounding them, the person I was disuccusing this with disagrees. and apparently you are just here to preach morals about saying mean things to people. Since you were acting all hurt about what I said to the other guy, I figured you were him on an alt, I was mistaken. The point he was putting across was that he didn't want to play the game, because if they didn't advertise it's a sign their an unreliable company or something - which I disagree with. If you don't want to discuss that point then I don't know why your posting here.
Ok lets tackle this in order so its easier for you
#1. How long have you actually been watching this forum? You say you've never seen me post till now, fine i haven't been around much because of the holidays, and Can say i haven't seen you post at all untill this last week. So I figure you've been checking here what a week or two tops?
#2 I have twisted nothing or are you saying you didn't tell the poster he needs to give up on life (or to put simply you implied he should die. You do understand the words your typing don't you?) Did you not start calling other posters trolls before anyone called you a fanbois? See no twist there either. nice try but fail.
#3 Its ok for me to preach morals just as its ok for you to tell people who disagree with you to die. bah guess we're even there.
Furthermore to your point. What = enough advertisement? Even you said more is better. So in effect you are stating that "Darkfall doesn't need to pour any more money into advertising", but that it would be handy if they did. I find it hard to really argue such a waffly point.
#4 its the internet boy nothing you can say here can hurt me, doesn't mean I have to shutup and listen to your Drivil in silence without any response though does it? Hell i'm not telling you to stop posting am I?
As I've already stated I find your mild attempts at debate/arguement entertaining. Even now you can't come to admit saying someone should give up on life was a blunder, or that you were wrong to start trying to prove your arguement/case be calling the other poster a troll. I don't soubt you'll continue to try and insult and attack people to prove how right your point is but at least cut with the 360 turn around I'm a victom because they called me a fanbois QQ. Makes you and your arguement look weak.
Hell its all good I've had fun! I mean afterall if your a 12 y/o and tried to debate like this in person I'd have to treat you with kit gloves or something as it Is i can assume your a adult over the internet (perhaps incorrectly) and have a great laugh at your debate style. Perhaps you might actually take something away from this like if you don't want to be called a fanbois, chill with the Troll term, or if you want to use the ignorant term at least show you have a basic understanding of whats been going on for the last year with the game. and if you want anything in your arguement to be taken seriously then don't make it a point to tell people they should give up on life as the factual basis of your arguement.... nah that'll never happen just too complex for kids these days to understand I guess. Cheers
/facepalm
suppose you were just arguing for the sake of arguing. Obviously this discussion isn't going anywhere, at least the other guy was trying to make a point, your just trying to bash mindlessly.
Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen boy!
Mindlessly bashing? I should say not! Hell your the one showing the mindless debate style. Here take it for what its worth you are debating, argueing to try and prove your point. However nothing you prove here will make any difference at all. none, ZER0! So in effect you are "just arguing for the sake of arguing" the sooner you wake up to that truth the happier you'll be
Hell you might' learn things like its just a debate, Its not war. You don't have to trash the other guy with insults to prove your point, and even if you do and win you still haven't gained a single damn thing except maybe the fun of using your brains.
LOL wow, behind, talk about takeing to the extreme, in my first post I said I was very ninterested in the game (that means id like to give it a whirl if you have trouble understandinhg). I made a simple statement that ACCTUAL advertiseing efforts (which there have been NONE) on the part of the DF developer would do nothing but good for the games launch. so you told 6-8 people about the game....big....freaking...deal The adds would reach COUNTLESS individuals, and btw the hype rateing on this website is a FAR cry from labeling a game succesful, every game, a month befor launch, is on the top of that list, than most drop off like flies caught in a puddle of raid. Im sorry but if the DF community is made mostly of defensive, blind mice who cant even appreciate a different point of view, your going to do nothing but damage the succes that DF could enjoy.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
As you might have guessed, I'm no regular to these parts...
But I can't believe how ridiculous some people's expectations are based on nothing but marketing semantics spewing forth from a talking head. Weirdly though, in this thread at least, the haters are clearly worse than the fanbois:
Citing the lack of banner ads as an indicator of poor quality is as deliciously ironic as it is pathetic.
Please, show me where I'm going wrong here, but from my perspective the people who apparently hate the hype about Darkfall are arguing that it doesn't truly deserve any hype -- some would have us believe that it is practically guaranteed to be a failure now -- because it hasn't done a proper job of hyping itself in the most banal, utterly craptastical fashion that every traffic generating link whore on the planet with half a brain came up with way back when Hammer dropped the MC from his name? (He readopted it later.)
Have I missed something? Is a banner ad campaign the new standard of reliability? Am I part of some sort lost vanguard of people that actually use a search engine along with my keyboard when I try to find out possibly-useful stuff on the internets for myself?
Huh? What?
At any rate, I hope that the game turns out to be good and that when the release eventually does happen that the servers aren't instantly flooded with kids who'll just end up going back to WoW when they realize that there aren't any character levels and a developer mapped out route to power and phat lewts or whatever. For their own sake, most of them should probably only come after (and only if...) the reviewers, community, etc. have told them what to expect -- hype will give them nothing but false expectations and they'll focus on the only thing they really can know and see: graphics.
I believe that for any game to have a chance against WoW (and it would be nice to have another title able to go toe to toe against it for the entire industry's sake), it has to come as quietly as possible. I'm of the opinion that any hype of the pre-release variety can only work in Blizzard's favour in the long run. Everyone seems to think that some major franchise being made into an MMORPG is the only hope for a legitimate contender (competition is good), but I don't see it -- there would be far too much hype and subsequent disappointment. It happens in cinema all the time -- franchises with a seemingly guaranteed, built-in audience fail to transfer over all the time. A darkhorse needs to work its way out from the pack for any real momentum to be added to the race.
Darkfall has too much hype as it stands. It doesn't need any more. That doesn't mean people shoudln't talk about it, however. And, in case you haven't noticed, this thread has been totally derailed -- sorry, OP! I can only guess more answers will be forthcoming sometime soon. There's still lots of time left before the proposed release date of Jan 22nd, but it would be nice to hear something a little more concrete, if only to get the next round of forum flames on with.
My only two cents. Maybe I'll see you in-game... but neither of us will know it. Later.
Originally posted by qthulhu Have I missed something? Is a banner ad campaign the new standard of reliability? Am I part of some sort lost vanguard of people that actually use a search engine along with my keyboard when I try to find out possibly-useful stuff on the internets for myself? Huh? What?
Of course you are, if it's not made in Texas and spoon fed to you it doesn't exist.
As you might have guessed, I'm no regular to these parts... But I can't believe how ridiculous some people's expectations are based on nothing but marketing semantics spewing forth from a talking head. Weirdly though, in this thread at least, the haters are clearly worse than the fanbois: Citing the lack of banner ads as an indicator of poor quality is as deliciously ironic as it is pathetic. Please, show me where I'm going wrong here, but from my perspective the people who apparently hate the hype about Darkfall are arguing that it doesn't truly deserve any hype -- some would have us believe that it is practically guaranteed to be a failure now -- because it hasn't done a proper job of hyping itself in the most banal, utterly craptastical fashion that every traffic generating link whore on the planet with half a brain came up with way back when Hammer dropped the MC from his name? (He readopted it later.) Have I missed something? Is a banner ad campaign the new standard of reliability? Am I part of some sort lost vanguard of people that actually use a search engine along with my keyboard when I try to find out possibly-useful stuff on the internets for myself? Huh? What? At any rate, I hope that the game turns out to be good and that when the release eventually does happen that the servers aren't instantly flooded with kids who'll just end up going back to WoW when they realize that there aren't any character levels and a developer mapped out route to power and phat lewts or whatever. For their own sake, most of them should probably only come after (and only if...) the reviewers, community, etc. have told them what to expect -- hype will give them nothing but false expectations and they'll focus on the only thing they really can know and see: graphics. I believe that for any game to have a chance against WoW (and it would be nice to have another title able to go toe to toe against it for the entire industry's sake), it has to come as quietly as possible. I'm of the opinion that any hype of the pre-release variety can only work in Blizzard's favour in the long run. Everyone seems to think that some major franchise being made into an MMORPG is the only hope for a legitimate contender (competition is good), but I don't see it -- there would be far too much hype and subsequent disappointment. It happens in cinema all the time -- franchises with a seemingly guaranteed, built-in audience fail to transfer over all the time. A darkhorse needs to work its way out from the pack for any real momentum to be added to the race. Darkfall has too much hype as it stands. It doesn't need any more. That doesn't mean people shoudln't talk about it, however. And, in case you haven't noticed, this thread has been totally derailed -- sorry, OP! I can only guess more answers will be forthcoming sometime soon. There's still lots of time left before the proposed release date of Jan 22nd, but it would be nice to hear something a little more concrete, if only to get the next round of forum flames on with. My only two cents. Maybe I'll see you in-game... but neither of us will know it. Later.
since you have advised us you dont post here often, maybe you should continue the trend. I at no time said banner ads or other forms of marketing are the be all end all of a succesful game, I SAID that it is fairly important however. AGAIN I will state I am excited to see DF, but my MAIN point is that the lack of advertiseing or any sort of promotion by the developer makes me a little uneasy about what I will be getting into, that is IT, stop misreading/misunderstanding my posts and think about the text for a moment before you reply i the form of a foolish sounding, drama queen flame bomb.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
Originally posted by winter I may have gotten the wrong impression and while I do appreciate your response on the subject the extra info on libel suits/ slander seems to be more just a attempt to brow beat and shutup anyone thats not 100% fan. You were at least partially correct as was I.... (Damn i really didn't want to go to the dictionary with this one. ) lied, ly·ing (lng), lies
v.intr.
1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
2. To convey a false image or impression: Appearances often lie.
Your choice of the definition is #1 and yes I can not prove Tasos is presenting false information with the intent to decieve.
I'm sorry but you are still wrong. Lets look at the whole set of definitions regarding these words:
lie 2 (l)
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
v. lied, ly·ing (lng), lies
v.intr.
1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
2. To convey a false image or impression.
Your comments have included the word "lie" several times of which there is no defintion that does not require intent to deceive. I assume that you are using the same source as it matches word for word. The definition that you pointed out for "lying", which you may have also used, does not require intent as the lie could be conveyed via a signpost which is not capable of intent or in other situations where intent is not possible. However this clearly is not how you are using the word as you were also using "lie" in the same paragraph so it does not apply.
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You assume when I say the game is one of the most anticipiated mmo's out there, I'm talking about the populairty on this site alone. I'm not, Darkfalls forums has something around 270 thousand members - every game I've played in the past 3 months has had people talking about darkfall on it. I wouldn't call it a gamble to assume their going to get enough people to get a solid start.
I disagree with you when you say Darkfall is taking a risk, and their method of advertising (or lack of) hasn't turned out as a solid alternative to traditional over-hyping of games. As mentioned before, there is alot of people following this game, and I doubt you can honestly say most of the people who are interested in the MMO genre hasn't heard about Darkfall yet. So to me, if it works, I'd consider it solid.
And I honestly don't know why you think my apparent tone of posts implies I'm a blind Darkfall fanboy, when I've said nothing to even endorse the game aside from what I think of their marketing stratagy, and how it's turned out. Seems it's impossible to disagree with someone on forums these days without them yelling "troll!" or "fanboy!".
Your labeling me a fanboy because I disagree with your point, there's been nothing I've said to imply I even believe Darkfall is going to pull off what they've promised (I have my doubts). how I feel about the game is I like the promised features - I havn't seen darkfalls devs remove anything without a reason I agree on, and I'm looking forward to the industry straying from the WoW style-mmos, or at least making the attempt as Darkfall is doing.
but of course if I'm to go by your logic, you seem to be bashing what appears to be a successful marketing campaign from darkfall, for no apparent reason aside from the fact it isn't status quo. there for you must be an ignorant troll?
You can go right ahead with this name calling contest, maybe we can compare e-peen sizes later, but it really doesn't back up your claim that darkfall hasn't been getting alot of hype across the MMO community.
Finally, how negative hype may be a good thing - in terms of games in development, any negativity from a troll is going to be ignored, because frankly the "you havn't seen the game yet" argument prevails. And at the very least all the attention a troll brings to darkfall might get someone to look into the game, so they can form an opinion on it - be it good or bad.
Always odd when a person starts throwing the "Troll" word around first then becomes objective to being called a fan / fanbois. Even more so when the poster tells "someone they need to give up on life" yet then turns around and starts crying "name calling" because someone states they seem like a rabid die hard fanbois.
The DF forum always is good for a laugh at human nature. My hats off to WSImike though for handling the whole post in a mature and reasonable manner. Much better then I could have ever done admittedly.
You assume when I say the game is one of the most anticipiated mmo's out there, I'm talking about the populairty on this site alone. I'm not, Darkfalls forums has something around 270 thousand members - every game I've played in the past 3 months has had people talking about darkfall on it. I wouldn't call it a gamble to assume their going to get enough people to get a solid start.
I disagree with you when you say Darkfall is taking a risk, and their method of advertising (or lack of) hasn't turned out as a solid alternative to traditional over-hyping of games. As mentioned before, there is alot of people following this game, and I doubt you can honestly say most of the people who are interested in the MMO genre hasn't heard about Darkfall yet. So to me, if it works, I'd consider it solid.
And I honestly don't know why you think my apparent tone of posts implies I'm a blind Darkfall fanboy, when I've said nothing to even endorse the game aside from what I think of their marketing stratagy, and how it's turned out. Seems it's impossible to disagree with someone on forums these days without them yelling "troll!" or "fanboy!".
Your labeling me a fanboy because I disagree with your point, there's been nothing I've said to imply I even believe Darkfall is going to pull off what they've promised (I have my doubts). how I feel about the game is I like the promised features - I havn't seen darkfalls devs remove anything without a reason I agree on, and I'm looking forward to the industry straying from the WoW style-mmos, or at least making the attempt as Darkfall is doing.
but of course if I'm to go by your logic, you seem to be bashing what appears to be a successful marketing campaign from darkfall, for no apparent reason aside from the fact it isn't status quo. there for you must be an ignorant troll?
You can go right ahead with this name calling contest, maybe we can compare e-peen sizes later, but it really doesn't back up your claim that darkfall hasn't been getting alot of hype across the MMO community.
Finally, how negative hype may be a good thing - in terms of games in development, any negativity from a troll is going to be ignored, because frankly the "you havn't seen the game yet" argument prevails. And at the very least all the attention a troll brings to darkfall might get someone to look into the game, so they can form an opinion on it - be it good or bad.
Always odd when a person starts throwing the "Troll" word around first then becomes objective to being called a fan / fanbois. Even more so when the poster tells "someone they need to give up on life" yet then turns around and starts crying "name calling" because someone states they seem like a rabid die hard fanbois.
The DF forum always is good for a laugh at human nature. My hats off to WSImike though for handling the whole post in a mature and reasonable manner. Much better then I could have ever done admittedly.
You missed the subtle sarcasm my friend. The point was calling eachother troll or fanboys wasn't going to go anywhere, you might want to re-read the post, might save you some embarassment.
On the other hand, derailing the argument with several posts refering to me reccomending you give up on life does not make your point any truer, nor was it intended to make my argument any more legit. So seriously, take it easy and move on.
I still don't see how you wouldn't play a game, even if it turned out amazing, simply because they got alot of hype without advertising. - I'm still looking forward to you explaining the logic behind that.
Not true from what I've read. The darkfall staff mentioned they'ld done extensive internal beta testing with some hired people - but I've never seen anything mentioning using bots to find bugs ><.
link please?
Wow you really haven't been following DF much. What was it you said earlier? Ah yes "Ignorance is bliss"
What does me missing an "apparent" update, then asking for a link to it have to do with ignorance?
Still waiting for a quote or link.
You ignorance is you do not know how Darkfall has been mostly beta tested over the last year. (Or more) its not a small update. posters have been round and round about it over the last year several times its really been a fairly big thing, yet you know nothing about it? (Speaks volumes on ignorance.)
Goggle it yourself, I'm not your maid. I figure it'll give you something constructive to do other then to tell people they need to die. (you certainly seem to have both the time and the ability to type, do you need me to hold your hand or something? Young people these days they believe they have all the answers but aren't even willing to look for the information themselves.)
Not true from what I've read. The darkfall staff mentioned they'ld done extensive internal beta testing with some hired people - but I've never seen anything mentioning using bots to find bugs ><.
link please?
Wow you really haven't been following DF much. What was it you said earlier? Ah yes "Ignorance is bliss"
What does me missing an "apparent" update, then asking for a link to it have to do with ignorance?
Still waiting for a quote or link.
You ignorance is you do not know how Darkfall has been mostly beta tested over the last year. (Or more) its not a small update. posters have been round and round about it over the last year several times its really been a fairly big thing, yet you know nothing about it? (Speaks volumes on ignorance.)
Goggle it yourself, I'm not your maid. I figure it'll give you something constructive to do other then to tell people they need to die. (you certainly seem to have both the time and the ability to type, do you need me to hold your hand or something? Young people these days they believe they have all the answers but aren't even willing to look for the information themselves.)
Firstly, I didn't say you needed to die, I simply suggested you should give up on life, if you think the marketing campaign a game runs has anything to do with how good said game is - expecially when it already has a huge amount of hype behind it.
second, there's no need to get so butthurt about it, I really don't know you well enough to form an opinion if you should die or not, and going on for 4 posts complaining about the comment isn't going to make you feel any better.
and I thought I was a huge DF fanboy? yet I missed an update that's been apparently talked about for a year now. Funny.
Ah right gotcha its perfectly ok for you to start calling people troll before anyone says your a fanbois or anything but once they do its all bad bad. if it wasn't going to go anywhere then why did you start it? Ah gosh guess i got you on that one nice try at twisting words though.
Sorry let me see if i missed anything. Your arguement was if someone has a different opinion then you they should give up on life (because that supports your facts / arguement) or they are a troll. Further They are evil/bad if they state you seem to be a fanbois because while its ok for you to throw the term troll around and tell people to die its never nice or constructive to be labled a fanbois. Sorry if I derailed your well worded, compelling and intelligent arguement which was solely grounded in reason, logic and facts.
Did I ever say i wouldn't play DF? I simply disagree with your debate style of attack/insult then QQ when your even slightly on the recieving end. Don't take it personally. i enjoyed your show. you'd never make it in debate of any type but its waa fun watching you try to and cover your mistakes (or do you really not see them?)
if you'd been here much, and i take it your pretty new due to your ignorance on things like DF's AI bot testing etc. then you Know I have nothing against DF i hope it does well. Every MMO that succeeds is good for the genre as a whole, and every playstyle should have a game to turn to, as IMO there is room for all playstyles. (Mine is no better then yours and your is no better then mine etc.). I do however dislike the unsupported / False Hype DF sometimes gets. ie 200 vs 200 batles with graphics better then AoC or LoTRO are just some of the hype Fanbois have spewed here as fact. When players log into a game expecting such things and get handed less then yes Hype can be bad for a game IMO.
So... what was the original topic of this thread again? It's been derailed so far that I can't remember.
Ah right gotcha its perfectly ok for you to start calling people troll before anyone says your a fanbois or anything but once they do its all bad bad. if it wasn't going to go anywhere then why did you start it? Ah gosh guess i got you on that one nice try at twisting words though.
Sorry let me see if i missed anything. Your arguement was if someone has a different opinion then you they should give up on life (because that supports your facts / arguement) or they are a troll. Further They are evil/bad if they state you seem to be a fanbois because while its ok for you to throw the term troll around and tell people to die its never nice or constructive to be labled a fanbois. Sorry if I derailed your well worded, compelling and intelligent arguement which was solely grounded in reason, logic and facts.
Did I ever say i wouldn't play DF? I simply disagree with your debate style of attack/insult then QQ when your even slightly on the recieving end. Don't take it personally. i enjoyed your show. you'd never make it in debate of any type but its waa fun watching you try to and cover your mistakes (or do you really not see them?)
if you'd been here much, and i take it your pretty new due to your ignorance on things like DF's AI bot testing etc. then you Know I have nothing against DF i hope it does well. Every MMO that succeeds is good for the genre as a whole, and every playstyle should have a game to turn to, as IMO there is room for all playstyles. (Mine is no better then yours and your is no better then mine etc.). I do however dislike the unsupported / False Hype DF sometimes gets. ie 200 vs 200 batles with graphics better then AoC or LoTRO are just some of the hype Fanbois have spewed here as fact. When players log into a game expecting such things and get handed less then yes Hype can be bad for a game IMO.
I actually havn't seen you say a single thing regarding the subject untill now.
Your just twisting what's been said, and debating an off-set insult I threw at someone? Seriously, offer an opinion or don't bother posting.
I'm saying Darkfall doesn't need to pour any more money into advertising, when they already have alot of hype surrounding them, the person I was disuccusing this with disagrees. and apparently you are just here to preach morals about saying mean things to people.
Since you were acting all hurt about what I said to the other guy, I figured you were him on an alt, I was mistaken. The point he was putting across was that he didn't want to play the game, because if they didn't advertise it's a sign their an unreliable company or something - which I disagree with. If you don't want to discuss that point then I don't know why your posting here.
Firstly, I didn't say you needed to die, I simply suggested you should give up on life, if you think the marketing campaign a game runs has anything to do with how good said game is - expecially when it already has a huge amount of hype behind it.
second, there's no need to get so butthurt about it, I really don't know you well enough to form an opinion if you should die or not, and going on for 4 posts complaining about the comment isn't going to make you feel any better.
and I thought I was a huge DF fanboy? yet I missed an update that's been apparently talked about for a year now. Funny.
Hell its all good I've had fun! I mean afterall if your a 12 y/o and tried to debate like this in person I'd have to treat you with kit gloves or something as it Is i can assume your a adult over the internet (perhaps incorrectly) and have a great laugh at your debate style.
Perhaps you might actually take something away from this like if you don't want to be called a fanbois, chill with the Troll term, or if you want to use the ignorant term at least show you have a basic understanding of whats been going on for the last year with the game. and if you want anything in your arguement to be taken seriously then don't make it a point to tell people they should give up on life as the factual basis of your arguement.... nah that'll never happen just too complex for kids these days to understand I guess.
Cheers
Firstly, I didn't say you needed to die, I simply suggested you should give up on life, if you think the marketing campaign a game runs has anything to do with how good said game is - expecially when it already has a huge amount of hype behind it.
second, there's no need to get so butthurt about it, I really don't know you well enough to form an opinion if you should die or not, and going on for 4 posts complaining about the comment isn't going to make you feel any better.
and I thought I was a huge DF fanboy? yet I missed an update that's been apparently talked about for a year now. Funny.
Hell its all good I've had fun! I mean afterall if your a 12 y/o and tried to debate like this in person I'd have to treat you with kit gloves or something as it Is i can assume your a adult over the internet (perhaps incorrectly) and have a great laugh at your debate style.
Perhaps you might actually take something away from this like if you don't want to be called a fanbois, chill with the Troll term, or if you want to use the ignorant term at least show you have a basic understanding of whats been going on for the last year with the game. and if you want anything in your arguement to be taken seriously then don't make it a point to tell people they should give up on life as the factual basis of your arguement.... nah that'll never happen just too complex for kids these days to understand I guess.
Cheers
/facepalm
suppose you were just arguing for the sake of arguing. Obviously this discussion isn't going anywhere, at least the other guy was trying to make a point, your just trying to bash mindlessly.
Ok lets tackle this in order so its easier for you
#1. How long have you actually been watching this forum? You say you've never seen me post till now, fine i haven't been around much because of the holidays, and Can say i haven't seen you post at all untill this last week. So I figure you've been checking here what a week or two tops?
#2 I have twisted nothing or are you saying you didn't tell the poster he needs to give up on life (or to put simply you implied he should die. You do understand the words your typing don't you?) Did you not start calling other posters trolls before anyone called you a fanbois? See no twist there either. nice try but fail.
#3 Its ok for me to preach morals just as its ok for you to tell people who disagree with you to die. bah guess we're even there.
Furthermore to your point. What = enough advertisement? Even you said more is better. So in effect you are stating that "Darkfall doesn't need to pour any more money into advertising", but that it would be handy if they did. I find it hard to really argue such a waffly point.
#4 its the internet boy nothing you can say here can hurt me, doesn't mean I have to shutup and listen to your Drivil in silence without any response though does it? Hell i'm not telling you to stop posting am I?
As I've already stated I find your mild attempts at debate/arguement entertaining. Even now you can't come to admit saying someone should give up on life was a blunder, or that you were wrong to start trying to prove your arguement/case be calling the other poster a troll. I don't soubt you'll continue to try and insult and attack people to prove how right your point is but at least cut with the 360 turn around I'm a victom because they called me a fanbois QQ.
Makes you and your arguement look weak.
Carry on!
/facepalm
suppose you were just arguing for the sake of arguing. Obviously this discussion isn't going anywhere, at least the other guy was trying to make a point, your just trying to bash mindlessly.
Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen boy!
Mindlessly bashing? I should say not! Hell your the one showing the mindless debate style. Here take it for what its worth you are debating, argueing to try and prove your point. However nothing you prove here will make any difference at all. none, ZER0! So in effect you are "just arguing for the sake of arguing" the sooner you wake up to that truth the happier you'll be
Hell you might' learn things like its just a debate, Its not war. You don't have to trash the other guy with insults to prove your point, and even if you do and win you still haven't gained a single damn thing except maybe the fun of using your brains.
The Netherlands are part of western civilization, you idiot.
~Ripper
Netherlands has a civilization?
LOL wow, behind, talk about takeing to the extreme, in my first post I said I was very ninterested in the game (that means id like to give it a whirl if you have trouble understandinhg). I made a simple statement that ACCTUAL advertiseing efforts (which there have been NONE) on the part of the DF developer would do nothing but good for the games launch. so you told 6-8 people about the game....big....freaking...deal The adds would reach COUNTLESS individuals, and btw the hype rateing on this website is a FAR cry from labeling a game succesful, every game, a month befor launch, is on the top of that list, than most drop off like flies caught in a puddle of raid. Im sorry but if the DF community is made mostly of defensive, blind mice who cant even appreciate a different point of view, your going to do nothing but damage the succes that DF could enjoy.
As you might have guessed, I'm no regular to these parts...
But I can't believe how ridiculous some people's expectations are based on nothing but marketing semantics spewing forth from a talking head. Weirdly though, in this thread at least, the haters are clearly worse than the fanbois:
Citing the lack of banner ads as an indicator of poor quality is as deliciously ironic as it is pathetic.
Please, show me where I'm going wrong here, but from my perspective the people who apparently hate the hype about Darkfall are arguing that it doesn't truly deserve any hype -- some would have us believe that it is practically guaranteed to be a failure now -- because it hasn't done a proper job of hyping itself in the most banal, utterly craptastical fashion that every traffic generating link whore on the planet with half a brain came up with way back when Hammer dropped the MC from his name? (He readopted it later.)
Have I missed something? Is a banner ad campaign the new standard of reliability? Am I part of some sort lost vanguard of people that actually use a search engine along with my keyboard when I try to find out possibly-useful stuff on the internets for myself?
Huh? What?
At any rate, I hope that the game turns out to be good and that when the release eventually does happen that the servers aren't instantly flooded with kids who'll just end up going back to WoW when they realize that there aren't any character levels and a developer mapped out route to power and phat lewts or whatever. For their own sake, most of them should probably only come after (and only if...) the reviewers, community, etc. have told them what to expect -- hype will give them nothing but false expectations and they'll focus on the only thing they really can know and see: graphics.
I believe that for any game to have a chance against WoW (and it would be nice to have another title able to go toe to toe against it for the entire industry's sake), it has to come as quietly as possible. I'm of the opinion that any hype of the pre-release variety can only work in Blizzard's favour in the long run. Everyone seems to think that some major franchise being made into an MMORPG is the only hope for a legitimate contender (competition is good), but I don't see it -- there would be far too much hype and subsequent disappointment. It happens in cinema all the time -- franchises with a seemingly guaranteed, built-in audience fail to transfer over all the time. A darkhorse needs to work its way out from the pack for any real momentum to be added to the race.
Darkfall has too much hype as it stands. It doesn't need any more. That doesn't mean people shoudln't talk about it, however. And, in case you haven't noticed, this thread has been totally derailed -- sorry, OP! I can only guess more answers will be forthcoming sometime soon. There's still lots of time left before the proposed release date of Jan 22nd, but it would be nice to hear something a little more concrete, if only to get the next round of forum flames on with.
My only two cents. Maybe I'll see you in-game... but neither of us will know it. Later.
Of course you are, if it's not made in Texas and spoon fed to you it doesn't exist.
since you have advised us you dont post here often, maybe you should continue the trend. I at no time said banner ads or other forms of marketing are the be all end all of a succesful game, I SAID that it is fairly important however. AGAIN I will state I am excited to see DF, but my MAIN point is that the lack of advertiseing or any sort of promotion by the developer makes me a little uneasy about what I will be getting into, that is IT, stop misreading/misunderstanding my posts and think about the text for a moment before you reply i the form of a foolish sounding, drama queen flame bomb.
I'm sorry but you are still wrong. Lets look at the whole set of definitions regarding these words:
lie 2 (l)
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
v. lied, ly·ing (lng), lies
v.intr.
1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
2. To convey a false image or impression.
Your comments have included the word "lie" several times of which there is no defintion that does not require intent to deceive. I assume that you are using the same source as it matches word for word. The definition that you pointed out for "lying", which you may have also used, does not require intent as the lie could be conveyed via a signpost which is not capable of intent or in other situations where intent is not possible. However this clearly is not how you are using the word as you were also using "lie" in the same paragraph so it does not apply.
Work for what?
Last time I checked I can easily click the download button on a website and I have no lttency issues at all connecting to euro servers.
I find it funny that Euros always have ping problems connecting to our server but when we connect to yours our connections are perfect.
Man I would be pissed if I were you.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing