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EVE for n00bs?
HellsMajesty
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i've just started a 14 day trial on this game because i am looking for a new mmo to keep me occupied and this is a little bit different to the usual stuff on offer.
I was gonna go back to WAR but i cant face it atm without some of my IRL friends
so my question being in short is this game at all easy for nabs to it like me? cos from what i read its pretty harsh unless you've been at it a while
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its not noob friendly, game has a steep learning curve.
but if you stick to it, it will be worth it . join a good corp and dont be afraid to ask questions in the rookie channel
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I've given EVE 4 tries in the past. One time I REALLY tried to get into it, but just couldn't.
2 weeks ago, being bored with... well.. everything, I decided, what the hell, give it a go again.
Rather than re-sub my previous account, which was nothing special and I wouldn't remember how to use anyways, I started the 14 day trial.
Today, I purchased and subbed to the game.
I guess at this point having not played for maybe 2 years, I'd be considered a TOTAL EVE NOOB, However, I looked up everything I wanted to know about the game prior to downloading the client (Google is your friend!).
The game is diverse, and I honestly think in the past, I never really gave it the true chance it deserved.
Now, actually reading agent missions, completing the tutorial, and socializing minimally, I've been able to pick up the general knowledge needed to function in game, and have a clear set goal path in mind for how I wish to see my character progress.
The best advice I can give being new myself - FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF THE GAME BEFORE YOU MAKE THE CHARACTER. (yes, CAPs is necessary, it's that important).
Being so many years late to the party means to "catch up" you need to specialize in what you want your role in the universe to be.
Good Luck!
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Not easy and the "fun" in Eve mainly comes from your sense of accomplishment. Pve in eve sucks, combat is mainly what you do before you undock. Alot of things are tedious/realistic. When you suceed in pvp or make serious money through buisness you will feel great. The begining of the game will suck unless you enjoy learning new games and grinding repetative tasks to make money before you can dive into the risky parts your researching.
I've played once seriously at release and resubbed for 3 months a year ago. I keep coming back/leaving because the "endgame" or open ended feel draws me in and I leave because the day to day actions in Eve are either boring or stressful punctuated by shear terror.
That being said I may try again over the summer.
That green part is usually what a lot of people enjoy about this game its one of the few MMOs that can have moments of sheer terror. Is the game newb friendly, not really but the community can be extremely newb friendly if you act mature and are willing to ask well thought out questions.
That green part is usually what a lot of people enjoy about this game its one of the few MMOs that can have moments of sheer terror. Is the game newb friendly, not really but the community can be extremely newb friendly if you act mature and are willing to ask well thought out questions.
Agreed on all points. It's great how this game can get your heart racing in a moments notice and when you least expect it.
As for starting the game, I wouldn't come at it from the standpoint of just doing the trail for a little fun until something else comes out. I do think EVE is pretty noob friendly, but you need to have an agenda and a goal to pursue. There is all kinds of help if your on the right path, but if not your pretty much just on your own with a lot of things that need to be accomplished as a new player. The number one thing you need to do as a noob is learn how to make yourself useful to someone else, in some ways this never really changes. It's hard to do that if your not planning on being around.
Honestly, if you just want to have some fun killing time there is probably a better game.
Starting EVE is like running face first into a brick wall. The amount of arbitrary rules implemented in EVE are ridiculous, I'm subscribed to it but the thought of learning all the ridiculous limitations and rules again - plus grinding from 0 isk scares me.
There are a lot of nub corps, nowadays its 'cool' to start your own corp and most of them will help you out in some way.
If you really wanna stick with it then be patient, make sure you are always training a relevant skill and be prepared to grind isk like hell.
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i wouldnt say you have to figure out what do to RIGHT AWAY because you can also just get to know the different parts of the game a bit better (missions, mining etc.) and then decide!
i did it that way and am happy with it, however i do aggree that at the beginning its very hard to start making money etc.
i experience it myself^^ without a corp. that helps you, mining is pretty much worthless!
its very uneffective!
however i believe that its a great game that deserves a chance!
I can't think of any arbitrary rules actually, all of them serve a distinct purpose, and mesh in an amazing tapestry of a game.
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My first trial didn't hook me, then I tried a few months later and fell in love with it. The game has a very steep learning curve but its worth it. Do every tutorial. I think they simplified the tutorial a while back so it may be easier now. You are also in a noob channel for your first 30 days where you can ask really basic questions and get some good advice from people, you dont get flamed like in other mmos, people in there will help you. It tends to get isk spammers so rememeber to right click/block them....
On your trial try different play styles. Make a miner, a combat pilot and just experiement. If you decide you like the game then decide what you want to do in it. Become a miner? manufacturer? pirate? I agree with what was said above, you need to have a goal to persue otherwise you can feel lost.
Never open a can that is not yours and remember at a Gate Camp no one will hear you scream.
MAGA
i'm a noob. i've got a couple of billion isk worth of skillbooks in my head and another billion or so worth of implants in that same noggin... still feel pretty noob though.
so um, yes, eve is for noobs and stuff.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
That green part is usually what a lot of people enjoy about this game its one of the few MMOs that can have moments of sheer terror. Is the game newb friendly, not really but the community can be extremely newb friendly if you act mature and are willing to ask well thought out questions.
Agreed on all points. It's great how this game can get your heart racing in a moments notice and when you least expect it.
As for starting the game, I wouldn't come at it from the standpoint of just doing the trail for a little fun until something else comes out. I do think EVE is pretty noob friendly, but you need to have an agenda and a goal to pursue. There is all kinds of help if your on the right path, but if not your pretty much just on your own with a lot of things that need to be accomplished as a new player. The number one thing you need to do as a noob is learn how to make yourself useful to someone else, in some ways this never really changes. It's hard to do that if your not planning on being around.
Honestly, if you just want to have some fun killing time there is probably a better game.
I find my heart racing whenever I'm in 0.0 with my alliance as a scout, and see a red on my overview. Do I engage? Do I wait for backup? Do I attempt to run? I find that the most fun. Hell I waited about 3 hours before anything really happened that I was in during a roam with my alliance, but hell. It was worth it to me. 2 hacs and 3 intys were on me, the hacs got occupied from some allies warping in, and my assault ship took down the interceptors like flies. Was really intense for me. Considering I thought I was going to die from the hacs. (Tanked them for a good 2-3 minutes >_<)
Not a noob anymore checklist:
[ ] I understand skillpoints =/= level, and are merely part of a much bigger equation, most of which involves money, teamwork, strategy, and tactics.
[ ] I understand I will never see it all nor do it all, and thus will always be a 'noob' at most things.
[ ] I understand that getting killed in a fight I had absolutely no chance of winning, or even really fighting back, does not constitute griefing
[ ] I understand that every time I undock, I might come back in a pod, or wake up in a clone, and plan appropriately.
[ ] I understand that Eve is not a solo game, and that if I choose to play solo anyway, it will be more difficult.
[ ] I understand that in spite/because of all the above, I still have fun and continue to pay my sub fee.
Feel free to ignore this nub. If you play Amarr or Caldari, there is plenty of space to play in where the pirates can not get to you without having to face NPC super ships. However, if you are interested in end game content, don't plan to see it for at least a year. It will take you 6 months of skilling to even try to pvp with any success. 1 year and you should have necessary skills to kill pretty much anything you run into, numbers being the determining factor. This is a game of time spent vs power levelling. There is no way to power level. All skills have a real time timer involved. To get to some of the advanced skills, several basic skills are required to be maxed out, which will require several months to train. Then plan to spend between a week and several months, real time, to train the advanced skill 1 train point.
You'd be better off waiting for JumpGate evolution MMO released this year. It's twitched based too. Eve is not newbie friendly.
If you desire Wing Commander or Freelancer type feel but in a MMO, then wait for JumpGate Evolution. There's another Space MMO in development too that real time twitch combat. It was revealed at the EU game show last year in Germany I think it was. I keep forgetting the name though, but it too looks set to give EVE online some stiff competition.
Warning long post my 21 day trail.
RULE NUMBER ONE:- Don't open yellow cans no matter how tempting it is as a noob...you've been warned.
I beta tested Eve when it first came out, the game has changed so much since my last visit. I have just completed my 21 day trail. I was lucky enough to know what type of character to play due to my beta exploits. I made both a tank and a trader, but played my tank more than the trader.
This is what I learnt from early on, on my tanker I got my learning main skill to lvl 4 followed by engineering, electronic POWER IS A MUST IN EVE. My missile and guns were already lvl 5. social skills, connections both to lvl 3 as this helps with agent rating which = more isk's and better missions.
It is important to get salvaging as soon as you can afford the skills which cost 900,000 isk's and learn it to lvl 3 as you can, sell the bits you collect, this is a little like mining only you do this on destroyed NPC and player ships. The results give you T1 T2 T3 ect components for rigging items which players buy for good isk's to making rigging items. I found this far more lucrative than mining.
You will have to do some mining for npc missions so don't ignore the skills as higher skills means less time wasted doing this, I got my skill high enough to use a lvl 2 minning laser.
I learnt something quickly the other day as I was helping a guy mine in my Caldari destroyer which was specked up to kill npc ships and not player ship. Avoid using your ship in PvP against people who are ready and will draw you into fighting them as I was. He looted my can I was using to pass ore I mined to the transporter and he looted it and he turned flashing red on me straight away. I noticed he was just in a Frigate and assumed I would slap him....Wrong move on my behalf he was PvP specked and wasted me within a few minutes, it was obvious he was sucking my power from my ship and had prevented me from warping and although I had taken down half his shields in the first few minutes he destroyed me as I had no power to kill him.
So I changed my skill training and now have both a PvP spec and NPC spec for my ships, you need differant equipment and the person who appears to have the more power seems to win the engagement, so I now carry a pair of vamps which suck power from ememy ships and a warp disruptor to stop the escaping and a missile battary they hurt and a pair of 150mm carbine railguns with Iridium charges for long range gunning I also have two other weapons 125 carbine or Neutron Particle Accelerator with close up ammo such as Antimatter. You need to test this to which ever suits your style ie close up or distant work.
When fighting NPC you also have to learn when to warp away repair and then return save you losing all your bits. I have been very close to losing ships and managed to warp away and return after using my shield recharger back to full and carried on with the fight. You get bonus payments on many missions so it's great if u don't have to keep flying away. It also takes time to salvage but is worth the time factor for reward imo. My salvaging and social skills have more than paid me my isk's back in a short time for sure.
Jita unless you been playing for a while stay away from here unless you really have to go there as with the lag you can get jumped at gates and don't have a chance if a group are camping it. Do not buy from contracts as there are many ingame scammers selling items which seem amazing I saw someone selling a certain caldari Navy ships which does not even appear in the game. One good thing is that on a trail account u can not use contracts these are very dangerous ways of losing money until you have a full understanding of the game mechanics so buyer beware as always in games. Stick to buying from the ingame market which is your 5th icon on the left side in stations.
Selling is great but easy to lose money very early on in this game because we all assume we geting a fair price, guess what we aint. GREEN = PROFIT while RED = LOSS. Players always try it on and try to buy your hard earnt isk's used the advanced sell option this will appear when u try to sell it's a button in the lower right check what you could get for your items. You will learn fast when you come to sell your items that if you hang onto them for a few days it may be that you get double the price as someone is always looking to make an item and this is well worth the wait. Or you could look at the price and then set your own sell price which you feel you want for a week and then forget about it until the isk's appear in your bank.
Reprocessing items can sometime prove more luctritive than selling them for example look at the noob civilian shield this is a great example you sell it for little profit in the starter stations, however if you convert the item into minerals and then sell this you get double profit. Also wait until you move away from the new player area to sell items as you will get a better profit in the long run.
Banking, Eve has a player run bank, sadly you can not use this while on any trail and I am not sure how secure it is no doubt someone will updates us on this, EBANK Ricdic you can find this person using people and places and then add him to your friends list and right click and send hin 1 isk this will open you a bank account and you will be able to see your money in an hour or so, again there is a bank channel for noob questions which you can add to your chat channel for ease. Once you create an account you will get a default password called password after an hour open the bank account and reset your password and write it down. You start with two types of accounts Sweep being the main and checking which is interest savings account you get 1.5% interests in the checking account which adds up fast, you can only have a max of 6 mill in this account but hey when u get to 6 mill the game will be fun and I imagine you earn and lose loads a day in that case anyway.
Travel I almost forgot press F10 goto settings and click second line down where it says Prefer safer - stay in 0.5 to 1.0 where possible is a must for noobs alike, I have also ticked the bottom box which says advoid systems on your avodidance list such as Jita...enough said imo.
Never carry stuff in peak playing times of any value that you are not prepared to lose, I have run stuff for long runs of 50 jumps from A to B and got them safely home so it can be done.
This is a major time saver and will prevent you from looking like a total noob too, you are able to add stuff to your overview while in space, you see this on the right side of your screen when you undock from stations. When you set a destination you will notice that a yellow icon to your next jumpgate appears in space find this yellow gate icon and right click it and add it to your overview and then everytime you set a destination it will appear in there and save you wasting time scanning the screen for it. Now the best bit if you right click on the yellow jumpgate icon you can warp to is within 0 m of this gate.
Try this for your self and you will understand what I am talking about, two ways of using autopilot function. 1)Use autopilot to jump 6 systems, this will put autopilot on and you will continue to fly from your undocked station to the system 6 jumps away, the down side with this type of autopilot is it will take much longer to jump to you final destination. each time you jump toward a jumpgate you will end up 14 km away before you can jump and will have to use afterburner skills to reduce this distance quickly. 2) Manually select warp to each gate and once your ship starts to warp drive then hit autopilot and what this does is as soon as you get to the gate your computor will jump you to next system leaving little time for people to get a lock on you to attack you. BEWARE once you jump then turn off the autopilot or you will automaticly jump again and just repeat this and you will be 90% faster and safer for jumping.
I have learnt to learn skills in advance of what I want to use rather than the other way round, if you are getting to the position of thinking hey I want my next ship soon the see what skills u need and start learning the ones u need to get to them, get in the habit of doing this and you will soon have a plan and enjoy the game rather than playing catch up all the time. Don't be afraid to try new things and ask in your corp channel if people could advice you of the type of spec you should use to kill higher lvl rats=npcs.
Agent information is important too, try and get a higher quality agent as possible they rate from -19 to 19 and -19 being the worse. Learn to read agents this is important for example try and use the agent to the corp you are a member of and avoid jumping from one agent to another unless it's part of the ingame agent quest/storyline agents do pop up every now and again. How to read these agents will improve your rating with them, click on people and places or in you character sheet and then employment history then u can see the agents for your default character corp. You will also notice agents when you dock into stations you can right click any and add them to your people and players list for future refference. Open any agent and then look at the agent info tab this will tell you all you need to know, Effective Quality shows the standings which can help you improve with that agent for example like I pointed out above Lvl 3 social & Connections, you can also learn other skills to help here such as Criminal connection, Diplomacy, Negotiations ect...
Cloning is very important too in this game as when you do fall foul of PVP or against bigger teams of players you can end up getting podded. Podded means you lose the smal capsul you are in when u lose or leave your ship. When you train skills you will see on your character sheet you gain skills points and start off with a 900,000 skill point cap of which you will have 800,000 or so when you start so keep a close eye on this and when you get to the agent you plan on using re-clone to that station. It will cost you isk's to clone to buy wisely, if you plan on staying with the game then choose a much higher clone, however never let your point go above the clone you have chossen as you will lose these if podded.
Ship insurance, get in the habbit of paying for this one you start spending over 200,000 isk's for ships as it will pay you back if you live close to the edge all the time.
Skills I need to just let you know that skills also learn while you are offline as long as you have an active account so get in the habbit of making sure you train higher lvl skills while you are not able to play, this is what I always do and it drops the time lost and you benefit from this in the short and long term trust me.
Loyalty point sare points you gain for doing missions and you get to spend these once you have collected many and you can check these using your journel/loyalty points or when in stations with your current agent the top left icon on the right side of the station.
You can also repair ship damage using these station functions on the right if you have hull or any other damage, your shields automatically repair when u re-dock. But you can use skills to repair ships but you will need to look at certain moduals to do this.
Joining a player corp look at the University player corp they are Brilliant new play corp.
Happy hunting and I hope you have safer travel based on my 21 day trail...
Asbo
nice review... use that ebank thing at your own risk.
don't say you weren't warned.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
very nice [b]NightBandit [/b] only one thing @ salvage there is no T3 in game yet
see ya ingame
BestSigEver :P
My good old friend it is because of your help I decided to give a little back after my 21 day trail. Thanks for the heads up on T3 but I have no idea what T whatever I was salvaging anyway due to my newness to the game. Thanks again to you I had a head start with the isk's you gave me and I was expecting to be in hospital for my operation today but they cancelled for a week so hence why I popped on here today to give some feed-back.
I have made a Caldari toon to save me flying 18+ to see you in the future if I decide to activate when I am fit and able again I will send you a mail ingame. Maybe you can give some feed-back on the EBANK function you told me about too, as I am sure many here would like to know if it is safe to use.
Regards Interstellar...
Asbo
I'd just like to thank everyone for commenting on the topic it seems the EVE community as a whole is a very friendly one.
I am now due to the information I have gathered from here considering buying a full account. I'm also going to look at jumpgate evolution because i have a love of twitch based games from excessive fps days
But do you really think it could take as long as a year to reach end game content? its not something that would put me off playing altogether but it just seems like a very long time to fully experience the game.
There really isnt a Endgame in eve, you just keep living out ur life as a pod pilot.
I guess you can consider endgame getting up to level 4-5 missions as a mission runner or joining a 0.0 alliance and defending and taking over areas of space but it isnt as cut and dry as that.
It doesnt take very long to fit a ship in some good tech II items and go off and make a difference.
Unless ur trying to fly Capital ships nothing in this game is going to take you more than a few months to get into and fly well.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
There really isnt a Endgame in eve, you just keep living out ur life as a pod pilot.
I guess you can consider endgame getting up to level 4-5 missions as a mission runner or joining a 0.0 alliance and defending and taking over areas of space but it isnt as cut and dry as that.
It doesnt take very long to fit a ship in some good tech II items and go off and make a difference.
Unless ur trying to fly Capital ships nothing in this game isnt going to take you more than a few months to get into and fly well.
Ty for clarifying that its just that everything in this game seems to take a fairly significant amount of time to get into. Its not a negative thing for me its just what not what im used to coming from more "run around and cut stuff" MMOs lol where you can reach endgame in a matter of weeks if not days.
But its good this game seems to push people to actually acheieve something, that coupled with the fact its so different from most other games is whats attracting me to it.
There really isnt a Endgame in eve, you just keep living out ur life as a pod pilot.
I guess you can consider endgame getting up to level 4-5 missions as a mission runner or joining a 0.0 alliance and defending and taking over areas of space but it isnt as cut and dry as that.
It doesnt take very long to fit a ship in some good tech II items and go off and make a difference.
Unless ur trying to fly Capital ships nothing in this game isnt going to take you more than a few months to get into and fly well.
Ty for clarifying that its just that everything in this game seems to take a fairly significant amount of time to get into. Its not a negative thing for me its just what not what im used to coming from more "run around and cut stuff" MMOs lol where you can reach endgame in a matter of weeks if not days.
But its good this game seems to push people to actually acheieve something, that coupled with the fact its so different from most other games is whats attracting me to it.
It really depends on what you want to do.
I know people that really love small fighters (frigates) and those can be flown right away and fit with tech II items within 30 days easily from there you can go into assault frigates, intys, stealth bombers or electronic frigateas and even become a specialist in all race ships of that size.
I know it takes like 2+ months to get into a hulk if you want to be a miner and if you like mission running you can be taking down level 3-4 missions in a Battle cruiser within 3 months if u focus your training.
the key to fighting the skill training wait is actually playing. Dont just sit in a dock chit chatting while skills train. Keep making that isk worst thing that could happen is finally getting ur skills up then not having the funds to buy a ship or even worse then that replace one thats been blown up by guys like me.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
There really isnt a Endgame in eve, you just keep living out ur life as a pod pilot.
I guess you can consider endgame getting up to level 4-5 missions as a mission runner or joining a 0.0 alliance and defending and taking over areas of space but it isnt as cut and dry as that.
It doesnt take very long to fit a ship in some good tech II items and go off and make a difference.
Unless ur trying to fly Capital ships nothing in this game isnt going to take you more than a few months to get into and fly well.
Ty for clarifying that its just that everything in this game seems to take a fairly significant amount of time to get into. Its not a negative thing for me its just what not what im used to coming from more "run around and cut stuff" MMOs lol where you can reach endgame in a matter of weeks if not days.
But its good this game seems to push people to actually acheieve something, that coupled with the fact its so different from most other games is whats attracting me to it.
It really depends on what you want to do.
I know people that really love small fighters (frigates) and those can be flown right away and fit with tech II items within 30 days easily from there you can go into assault frigates, intys, stealth bombers or electronic frigateas and even become a specialist in all race ships of that size.
I know it takes like 2+ months to get into a hulk if you want to be a miner and if you like mission running you can be taking down level 3-4 missions in a Battle cruiser within 3 months if u focus your training.
the key to fighting the skill training wait is actually playing. Dont just sit in a dock chit chatting while skills train. Keep making that isk worst thing that could happen is finally getting ur skills up then not having the funds to buy a ship or even worse then that replace one thats been blown up by guys like me.
Heance why I urge you to get salvaging asap this will add lots of isk's in a short time spell and get you out doing missions and then you will be addicted because of both the flow of mission and salvaging isk's add up very quickly. I was gifted 2 mill by a very nice person on these boards in my first few days. But however when I left yesterday I now have nearly 30 mill in just 21 days so anyone can do it. You can buy lots of toys with 30 mill and lots of grafting.
I have been on the sick the whole time I played as I am awating an operation but I did not play over Christmas as I have a son, so had I then I could of easy gathered 40 mill So for a player who has less time than I commited I am sure a 21 day account could get 20 to 25 mill over this period and if you multiply that over a 12 month period using the Ebank if it is clean you can easy make 500 or 600 mill in that time.
I reakon that the higher you get the more isk's you will get from agents and your grasp of the game will be easy and you will of found stuff like Quafe, Robotic or other lucritive trade routes to make an odd killing with too. I was just getting into Quofe myself when the timer ran out I have collected about 40k units which I now have to find a place to sell them all at.
Still that's for another day should I finally return to the game, however if you do find somewhere where I could offload my space pop pray send me an email and who knows I may just end up in the game for good too.
Asbo
I played eve online a year ago , IMO it can be a fun challengeing game but i think it really comes down to what you want to do and the type of corporation you're in .
i wish i could say eve was fun for me , but it wasnt as i was in a corp called eve university which some say is a nice newbie friendly corp , it is in some respects but i left the eve uni because i joined them during a war that i was unaware of and not informed in which i died alone while mining and a few officers flamed me in open space .
to be honest eve isnt for everyone as there is a alot of depth and a huge learning curve but quite frankly i'm biased as i left due to a horrible experience the first month with eve uni because of the officers bashing newbs and getting yalled at a from a evil wench , But like i said you have patience and can deal with some bs and drama on vent or ts and such , then it's prolly for you but dont say i didnt warn ya .