Uh oh! Now that "everyone" has suspended their sony accounts and soon will suspend their turbine accounts what will they do now? Haunt the boards and lament now doubt.
MMO-games with RCE(Real Cash Economy) and Microtransactions is the future. We already have several games with Microtransactions and there is Entropia Universe with its RCE, and more games with RCE to come.
If i have to choose between RCE and micro i rather see the RCE aspect, and the possibility to withdraw money just as one does in Entropia.
The question is if it will work, or if it will fail and all MMO:s goes back to the Monthley subscription fee.
www.cytiva.com/turbin/ext/DetailTurbine.asp "The E-Commerce Manager will be responsible for delivering and maximizing the revenue derived from Turbine’s micro-transaction-based in-game store." /puke
i looked up E-Commerce and as soon as i read that quote above i went to the turbine account management and cancelled my sub to LotRO.
/puke
"Emotion, yet peace. Ignorance, yet knowledge. Passion, yet serenity. Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force" The Original Jedi Code
Quoted 3 times over! >< I still think merging the 2 business models is a very bad idea. Though if it becomes acceptable by the majority it won't surprise me, most just follow the flow nowadays making up any excuse imaginable.
Well ill never play a game that have item shops free+itemshops or subscription+item shop.
If this trend continuing ill prolly wont play mmo's anymore in future.
Thing is most of these people fail to realize is that it is RMT may be the future of the MMO industry and it may be cosmetic items , xp potions at first , but what happens when they start moving on to weapons, and armor, and new areas, instances, and other aspects of a MMO that you get now in your MMO expansions now for free?
I'm pretty sure most of people supportive opinions will then change and think and wonder why opposition from portion of the MMO gaming community does not support RMT item malls in any way. Something that may seem insignificant and harmless now may turn into bigger and more gamebreaking later putting players out in the cold that wont pay for these nickle and dime additons to their game.
Another reason for the oppisiton to this possible future of MMOs is the forseeable continuation of quality of MMOs plummet, ez-mode, cookie cutter, with no living breathing worlds left just the investors and the suit who lol at you while you are naive enough to buy into this future , throwing money for fluff , weapons, armor at them cause of the lack of dedication or just pure laziness to just play the content as is for these items, so here is what is going to happen some people will accept the changes and some will leave MMOs completely, I for one wont be playing any of these MMOs or support them in any way or fashion , if my 15$ a month isnt enuf to make content and make them a profit off that then I dont need to be feeding into their greed as well as anyone else with open eyes seeing what is taking place here.
Their idea doesn't bother me as long as the mall items are "perks" and not upgrades to equipment and armor.
The idea even excites me if the perks could be prettier cosmetic clothing or better hair-do's or a wardrobe for my house that could hold several outfits! If I could buy a puppy for my house- I'd be ecstatic! If I could buy a new blanket for my horse- I would love that too!
I guess I look at this: I HAPPILY pay my cell phone provider $2.99 extra to download their cool ringtones. Yes, they get my monthly cell phone fees but I LOVE paying a one time cheap fee to hear a ringtone that makes my heart sing.
And hearing Warren Zevon sing," Owwwwwwww-ooooooooo.... Werewolves of London" inside my purse is just price-less:) It was sooooo worth the couple bucks:) I smile everytime my phone rings now LOL!
I really thought that $50.00 for the game and then $15.00/month was more than enough for these people. I thought that was more than a fair price for what we get.
"Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions."
Turbine has already stated that this microtransition is slated for their new project , NOT Lotro. For those who cancelled their sub, knee-jerk reaction much?
The most misused word on the internet:
loose
adjective, looser, loosest, adverb, verb loosed, loosing. adjective 1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end. 2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered
The word you are looking for is L-O-S-E. YOu can NOT loose a game.
Don't blame SoE. Blame gold buyers (the players who spend real money for virtual gold). Can you blame SoE for not wanting a slice of that pie. Just another reason why gold buying ruins games.
MMO-games with RCE(Real Cash Economy) and Microtransactions is the future. We already have several games with Microtransactions and there is Entropia Universe with its RCE, and more games with RCE to come. If i have to choose between RCE and micro i rather see the RCE aspect, and the possibility to withdraw money just as one does in Entropia. The question is if it will work, or if it will fail and all MMO:s goes back to the Monthley subscription fee.
Wait till the government(s) start taxing that RCE. They might not even wait until you convert the virtual goods into real money. They might look at your virtual net worth and levee a fee every month, quarter, year or etc. Another reason why the virtual should stay that way.
Why the hell would they take ideas from SOE, when all their MMO's end up going down in flames (hence SWG). Microtransactions is a terrible theory and idea. We are already paying 10-15 dollars a month. If this really occurs, goodbye LotRO.
Why the hell would they take ideas from SOE, when all their MMO's end up going down in flames (hence SWG). Microtransactions is a terrible theory and idea. We are already paying 10-15 dollars a month. If this really occurs, goodbye LotRO.
This is for a future unnamed product of theirs, not LOTRO as they stated on their forums.
"Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions."
Why the hell would they take ideas from SOE, when all their MMO's end up going down in flames (hence SWG). Microtransactions is a terrible theory and idea. We are already paying 10-15 dollars a month. If this really occurs, goodbye LotRO.
This is for a future unnamed product of theirs, not LOTRO as they stated on their forums.
"Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions."
Thanks for the quote, I seen a handful of people complaining on the forums. No admins gave us an answer so thanks.
http://forums.lotro.com/showpost.php?p=3268124&postcount=222 "Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions." Turbine has already stated that this microtransition is slated for their new project , NOT Lotro. For those who cancelled their sub, knee-jerk reaction much?
Many thanks, I don't follow the US forums much, so I had missed that post. It was something like what Sapience wrote I was looking for. Good to know
http://forums.lotro.com/showpost.php?p=3268124&postcount=222 "Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions." Turbine has already stated that this microtransition is slated for their new project , NOT Lotro. For those who cancelled their sub, knee-jerk reaction much?
Thanks for the info. I shall now consider LotRO again.
Wait till the government(s) start taxing that RCE. They might not even wait until you convert the virtual goods into real money. They might look at your virtual net worth and levee a fee every month, quarter, year or etc. Another reason why the virtual should stay that way.
First of all, Entropia has been around for over 5 years now and the and both the goverment and the lotteriinspection in sweden has already done all theiere inspections(Mindark/Entropia is swedish)
Mindark was just recentley one out of Three finalist to help NASA develop an MMO wich is gona be for both entertainment but most importantley Education, they did not "win" but it says alittle about the platform that MA is building and the respect they are starting to get all over the world, Entropia is just gona be 1 world among many many other, driven by the CE2 engine and with the RCE concept.
They are really about to set a new standard for MMO:s and gamedevelopment.
Wait till the government(s) start taxing that RCE. They might not even wait until you convert the virtual goods into real money. They might look at your virtual net worth and levee a fee every month, quarter, year or etc. Another reason why the virtual should stay that way.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First of all, Entropia has been around for over 5 years now and the and both the goverment and the lotteriinspection in sweden has already done all theiere inspections(Mindark/Entropia is swedish) Mindark was just recentley one out of Three finalist to help NASA develop an MMO wich is gona be for both entertainment but most importantley Education, they did not "win" but it says alittle about the platform that MA is building and the respect they are starting to get all over the world, Entropia is just gona be 1 world among many many other, driven by the CE2 engine and with the RCE concept. They are really about to set a new standard for MMO:s and gamedevelopment.
Absolutley, and i can get smashed by a car when im crossing the street.
They cant really just go in and say: Hey, now you have to pay taxes on youre virtual item. When we withdraw money, then we can talk. But IF there would be taxes on the money one witdraw, it would be very easy to just take out small amount every time instead of one big chunk.
And how this is gonna be controlled is beyond me+here in sweden we get money back from the money we have lost/invested, so bring it on i say:) Nah, the taxation problem is nothing that will ever be a problem. Not a big one atleast.
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Originally posted by Dahlifyr Absolutley, and i can get smashed by a car when im crossing the street. They cant really just go in and say: Hey, now you have to pay taxes on youre virtual item. When we withdraw money, then we can talk. But IF there would be taxes on the money one witdraw, it would be very easy to just take out small amount every time instead of one big chunk. And how this is gonna be controlled is beyond me+here in sweden we get money back from the money we have lost/invested, so bring it on i say:) Nah, the taxation problem is nothing that will ever be a problem. Not a big one atleast.
They can easily do that when those virtual items represent real-world currency. What's stopping people from, as stupid as it sounds, transfering most of their net worth into the virtual realm in order to avoid taxes and various fees they would otherwise incur?
Thanks for the info. I shall now consider LotRO again.
In addition, honestly, who cares. Micro-transactions have been in mmo's for 20 years and will continue...gold sellers. Anyone who thinks differently or who has a distaste for micro-transaction by its very nature are hyprocrates, really, if their subscribed to any mmo. Mmo gold-sellers are the most prolific micro-transactions around, will always be around.
In addition, honestly, who cares. Micro-transactions have been in mmo's for 20 years and will continue...gold sellers. Anyone who thinks differently or who has a distaste for micro-transaction by its very nature are hyprocrates, really, if their subscribed to any mmo. Mmo gold-sellers are the most prolific micro-transactions around, will always be around.
Hypocrite my ass. You're forgetting one very important detail - the gold sellers are there illegally. Micro-transactions endorsed by the devs are not. What does that mean? It means that by paying for a game monthly that has dev-endorsed micro-transactions I am supporting exactly what the gold sellers do and encouraging more people to hop onto the bandwagon. The fact is that gold sellers sell gold illegally, and that items aren't specifically created for them to sell. In essence you're suggesting we just give up and continue to get leeched because we're currently being leeched on a much smaller scale anyway? Oh please...
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Uh oh! Now that "everyone" has suspended their sony accounts and soon will suspend their turbine accounts what will they do now? Haunt the boards and lament now doubt.
MMO-games with RCE(Real Cash Economy) and Microtransactions is the future. We already have several games with Microtransactions and there is Entropia Universe with its RCE, and more games with RCE to come.
If i have to choose between RCE and micro i rather see the RCE aspect, and the possibility to withdraw money just as one does in Entropia.
The question is if it will work, or if it will fail and all MMO:s goes back to the Monthley subscription fee.
Im not sure item malls placed in a game that had to be purchased and or has a monthy fee is an accurate test but i agree its the coming thing.
i looked up E-Commerce and as soon as i read that quote above i went to the turbine account management and cancelled my sub to LotRO.
/puke
"Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force"
The Original Jedi Code
Well ill never play a game that have item shops free+itemshops or subscription+item shop.
If this trend continuing ill prolly wont play mmo's anymore in future.
Neither will I. And that will be a sad day... ; ;
(,,,)=^__^=(,,,)
Thing is most of these people fail to realize is that it is RMT may be the future of the MMO industry and it may be cosmetic items , xp potions at first , but what happens when they start moving on to weapons, and armor, and new areas, instances, and other aspects of a MMO that you get now in your MMO expansions now for free?
I'm pretty sure most of people supportive opinions will then change and think and wonder why opposition from portion of the MMO gaming community does not support RMT item malls in any way. Something that may seem insignificant and harmless now may turn into bigger and more gamebreaking later putting players out in the cold that wont pay for these nickle and dime additons to their game.
Another reason for the oppisiton to this possible future of MMOs is the forseeable continuation of quality of MMOs plummet, ez-mode, cookie cutter, with no living breathing worlds left just the investors and the suit who lol at you while you are naive enough to buy into this future , throwing money for fluff , weapons, armor at them cause of the lack of dedication or just pure laziness to just play the content as is for these items, so here is what is going to happen some people will accept the changes and some will leave MMOs completely, I for one wont be playing any of these MMOs or support them in any way or fashion , if my 15$ a month isnt enuf to make content and make them a profit off that then I dont need to be feeding into their greed as well as anyone else with open eyes seeing what is taking place here.
Just my 2 cents..
Cash shops can suck my left nut...
And to the above poster, your sig rocks!
This article is a furphy, as the link does not exist.
Microtransactions would not be appropriate in some cases as all items would have to be free for those who purchased lifetime subscriptions.
Their idea doesn't bother me as long as the mall items are "perks" and not upgrades to equipment and armor.
The idea even excites me if the perks could be prettier cosmetic clothing or better hair-do's or a wardrobe for my house that could hold several outfits! If I could buy a puppy for my house- I'd be ecstatic! If I could buy a new blanket for my horse- I would love that too!
I guess I look at this: I HAPPILY pay my cell phone provider $2.99 extra to download their cool ringtones. Yes, they get my monthly cell phone fees but I LOVE paying a one time cheap fee to hear a ringtone that makes my heart sing.
And hearing Warren Zevon sing," Owwwwwwww-ooooooooo.... Werewolves of London" inside my purse is just price-less:) It was sooooo worth the couple bucks:) I smile everytime my phone rings now LOL!
I really thought that $50.00 for the game and then $15.00/month was more than enough for these people. I thought that was more than a fair price for what we get.
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http://forums.lotro.com/showpost.php?p=3268124&postcount=222
"Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions."
Turbine has already stated that this microtransition is slated for their new project , NOT Lotro. For those who cancelled their sub, knee-jerk reaction much?
The most misused word on the internet:
loose
adjective, looser, loosest, adverb, verb loosed, loosing.
adjective
1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end.
2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered
The word you are looking for is L-O-S-E. YOu can NOT loose a game.
Don't blame SoE. Blame gold buyers (the players who spend real money for virtual gold). Can you blame SoE for not wanting a slice of that pie. Just another reason why gold buying ruins games.
Wait till the government(s) start taxing that RCE. They might not even wait until you convert the virtual goods into real money. They might look at your virtual net worth and levee a fee every month, quarter, year or etc. Another reason why the virtual should stay that way.
Why the hell would they take ideas from SOE, when all their MMO's end up going down in flames (hence SWG). Microtransactions is a terrible theory and idea. We are already paying 10-15 dollars a month. If this really occurs, goodbye LotRO.
This is for a future unnamed product of theirs, not LOTRO as they stated on their forums.
http://forums.lotro.com/showpost.php?p=3268124&postcount=222
Is the url link
And here is the quote for those too lazy to look.
"Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions."
This is for a future unnamed product of theirs, not LOTRO as they stated on their forums.
http://forums.lotro.com/showpost.php?p=3268124&postcount=222
Is the url link
And here is the quote for those too lazy to look.
"Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions."
Thanks for the quote, I seen a handful of people complaining on the forums. No admins gave us an answer so thanks.
Many thanks, I don't follow the US forums much, so I had missed that post. It was something like what Sapience wrote I was looking for. Good to know
Thanks again for posting the link!
Thanks for the info. I shall now consider LotRO again.
Originally posted by Porfat
Wait till the government(s) start taxing that RCE. They might not even wait until you convert the virtual goods into real money. They might look at your virtual net worth and levee a fee every month, quarter, year or etc. Another reason why the virtual should stay that way.
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First of all, Entropia has been around for over 5 years now and the and both the goverment and the lotteriinspection in sweden has already done all theiere inspections(Mindark/Entropia is swedish)
Mindark was just recentley one out of Three finalist to help NASA develop an MMO wich is gona be for both entertainment but most importantley Education, they did not "win" but it says alittle about the platform that MA is building and the respect they are starting to get all over the world, Entropia is just gona be 1 world among many many other, driven by the CE2 engine and with the RCE concept.
They are really about to set a new standard for MMO:s and gamedevelopment.
Laws can change.
Absolutley, and i can get smashed by a car when im crossing the street.
They cant really just go in and say: Hey, now you have to pay taxes on youre virtual item. When we withdraw money, then we can talk. But IF there would be taxes on the money one witdraw, it would be very easy to just take out small amount every time instead of one big chunk.
And how this is gonna be controlled is beyond me+here in sweden we get money back from the money we have lost/invested, so bring it on i say:) Nah, the taxation problem is nothing that will ever be a problem. Not a big one atleast.
How many threads do we need on this topic?
"Hey guys! We know the recent job listing has caused a bit of a stir, but please be aware that this posting is for an unannounced future project. We appreciate the thoughts and feedback on both sides thus far. Please keep this discussion civil and remember we’re here to discuss the topic and not attack each others' opinions."
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They can easily do that when those virtual items represent real-world currency. What's stopping people from, as stupid as it sounds, transfering most of their net worth into the virtual realm in order to avoid taxes and various fees they would otherwise incur?
In addition, honestly, who cares. Micro-transactions have been in mmo's for 20 years and will continue...gold sellers. Anyone who thinks differently or who has a distaste for micro-transaction by its very nature are hyprocrates, really, if their subscribed to any mmo. Mmo gold-sellers are the most prolific micro-transactions around, will always be around.
Hypocrite my ass. You're forgetting one very important detail - the gold sellers are there illegally. Micro-transactions endorsed by the devs are not. What does that mean? It means that by paying for a game monthly that has dev-endorsed micro-transactions I am supporting exactly what the gold sellers do and encouraging more people to hop onto the bandwagon. The fact is that gold sellers sell gold illegally, and that items aren't specifically created for them to sell. In essence you're suggesting we just give up and continue to get leeched because we're currently being leeched on a much smaller scale anyway? Oh please...