It is only prudent to be a little paranoid. We have legitimate companies bundling spyware with their games (EA Battlefield 1942) now. GG doesn't stop anyone from running automated programs, just look at Lineage 2.
Gosh you're right! I guess using that logic we should stop funding our police force as well. They don't stop anyone from breaking the law. Just look at the news.
You still haven't counter his valid point of GG being useless with the prime example being Lineage 2. you made a nice attempt at appealing to ridicule but you still have yet to post any facts refuting his statement.
M1sf1t, I have a simple question for you. Do you think Lineage 2 would have more hacks or less hacks if they didn't use any security measures at all?
Whether it would have more or less without GG is not the issue at hand. Of course I could point to other MMO's ( like those in my sig ) without GG which in fact have fewer incidents of botting then L2 with GG. The point is the effectiveness of GG has be proven to be negligible while also GG has be proven to cause more problems for legitimate users then to the actual botters in game.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
It is only prudent to be a little paranoid. We have legitimate companies bundling spyware with their games (EA Battlefield 1942) now. GG doesn't stop anyone from running automated programs, just look at Lineage 2.
Gosh you're right! I guess using that logic we should stop funding our police force as well. They don't stop anyone from breaking the law. Just look at the news.
Nope, I just have a problem being treated like a cheat if I've never done anything wrong.
And yes, maybe we should look into our criminal justice system since it's not working. But that's another subject onto itself.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
Fair enough. Apologies if I came across like an ass. These forums bring out the worst in me sometimes.
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
Seriously, all these discussion about Gameguard make me laugh.
What's the point and what's the difference?
Gameguard, Securom, Punkbuster .... what's in the name.
Game companies are either lazy and buy and incorporate a product like above or they have their own expertise inhouse and build the exact same within their own client.
So what's the difference?
I have a clean and neat Vista setup on both mine and my gf's computer, run AV, anti-spyware crap and all the shit.
And Cronicles of Spellborn runs like a breeze. Incl. Gameguard.
Gameguard hasn't done anything to my computer or hardware whatsoever.
It only runs during playing the game and stops when you quit the game.
Gameguard hasn't done anything to my computer or hardware whatsoever. It only runs during playing the game and stops when you quit the game.
Not necessarity true, it depends what version of GG you're running.
"In recent versions (revision 1007 and up), GameGuard fails to halt when the game ends, so GameGuard continues to use computer resources and inject code into processes. This is often unknown to the end-user, as GameGuard masks its CPU usage by hooking Windows system querying APIs." -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameGuard
Even after you uninstall the game that it comes with it does not fully remove itself or unregister its .DLL's.
In my opinon Wikipedia summed up GG pretty nicely when they said, "Even though it boasts such effectiveness, in truth hackers can break or bypass GameGuard faster than it gets updated, therefore rendering the system quite useless."
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
Fair enough. Apologies if I came across like an ass. These forums bring out the worst in me sometimes.
It's all good. I don't take it personally.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Gameguard hasn't done anything to my computer or hardware whatsoever. It only runs during playing the game and stops when you quit the game.
Not necessarity true, it depends what version of GG you're running.
"In recent versions (revision 1007 and up), GameGuard fails to halt when the game ends, so GameGuard continues to use computer resources and inject code into processes. This is often unknown to the end-user, as GameGuard masks its CPU usage by hooking Windows system querying APIs." -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameGuard
Even after you uninstall the game that it comes with it does not fully remove itself or unregister its .DLL's.
In my opinon Wikipedia summed up GG pretty nicely when they said, "Even though it boasts such effectiveness, in truth hackers can break or bypass GameGuard faster than it gets updated, therefore rendering the system quite useless."
I wasn't talking about it's usefulness. I know it's a pretty useless piece of software, just like crap as Punkbuster.
But at least it stops the large gross of Noob cheaters, wich is basically most important.
When it comes to RMT, it mostly the RMT industry that knows how to circumvent tools like these and come up with the better hacks.
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Whether it would have more or less without GG is not the issue at hand. Of course I could point to other MMO's ( like those in my sig ) without GG which in fact have fewer incidents of botting then L2 with GG. The point is the effectiveness of GG has be proven to be negligible while also GG has be proven to cause more problems for legitimate users then to the actual botters in game.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Gosh you're right! I guess using that logic we should stop funding our police force as well. They don't stop anyone from breaking the law. Just look at the news.
Nope, I just have a problem being treated like a cheat if I've never done anything wrong.
And yes, maybe we should look into our criminal justice system since it's not working. But that's another subject onto itself.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
Fair enough. Apologies if I came across like an ass. These forums bring out the worst in me sometimes.
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
Seriously, all these discussion about Gameguard make me laugh.
What's the point and what's the difference?
Gameguard, Securom, Punkbuster .... what's in the name.
Game companies are either lazy and buy and incorporate a product like above or they have their own expertise inhouse and build the exact same within their own client.
So what's the difference?
I have a clean and neat Vista setup on both mine and my gf's computer, run AV, anti-spyware crap and all the shit.
And Cronicles of Spellborn runs like a breeze. Incl. Gameguard.
Gameguard hasn't done anything to my computer or hardware whatsoever.
It only runs during playing the game and stops when you quit the game.
So I don't see the problem.
Cheers
Not necessarity true, it depends what version of GG you're running.
"In recent versions (revision 1007 and up), GameGuard fails to halt when the game ends, so GameGuard continues to use computer resources and inject code into processes. This is often unknown to the end-user, as GameGuard masks its CPU usage by hooking Windows system querying APIs." -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameGuard
Even after you uninstall the game that it comes with it does not fully remove itself or unregister its .DLL's.
In my opinon Wikipedia summed up GG pretty nicely when they said, "Even though it boasts such effectiveness, in truth hackers can break or bypass GameGuard faster than it gets updated, therefore rendering the system quite useless."
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
Honestly never had a problem with it either. If you guys can't handle programs like GameGuard and Securom then you must be either a software pirate, a hacker, or very inexperienced with PC maintenance.
We have now reached the level of "boogyman under the bed" paranoid.
As a matter of fact I know quite a bit about computer security, network security and programming. This is why I don't like tools like GG running on my system. If I am not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to spy on me or treat me like a cheat.
Fair enough. Apologies if I came across like an ass. These forums bring out the worst in me sometimes.
It's all good. I don't take it personally.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
AVG is crap.
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Not necessarity true, it depends what version of GG you're running.
"In recent versions (revision 1007 and up), GameGuard fails to halt when the game ends, so GameGuard continues to use computer resources and inject code into processes. This is often unknown to the end-user, as GameGuard masks its CPU usage by hooking Windows system querying APIs." -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameGuard
Even after you uninstall the game that it comes with it does not fully remove itself or unregister its .DLL's.
In my opinon Wikipedia summed up GG pretty nicely when they said, "Even though it boasts such effectiveness, in truth hackers can break or bypass GameGuard faster than it gets updated, therefore rendering the system quite useless."
I wasn't talking about it's usefulness. I know it's a pretty useless piece of software, just like crap as Punkbuster.
But at least it stops the large gross of Noob cheaters, wich is basically most important.
When it comes to RMT, it mostly the RMT industry that knows how to circumvent tools like these and come up with the better hacks.
Cheers