So i've read people saying you need SWG to play the tcg, but i read this in the facts: Playable from within Star Wars Galaxies or through the standalone client, the first release, Champions of the Force, features over 250 digital cards available in both 58-card digital starter decks and 15-card digital booster packs.
So from this i gather you don't need SWG at all to play it or whats the deal? or do you still need a sub to SWG to play it, just curious is all or actually if you have the station pass you would still be good to play it right? Reason i'm asking is i have never played a SOE game and am thinking about getting the station pass, i have a copy of SWG the complete online adventures still in the wrapper and think i might try it out. Also love playing TCG's so i may try it out.
You have to have an active sub to play the TCG. Ive also heard (cant confirm) that you have to have SWG installed to use the standalone client.
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Thanks for the info.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Okay firstly let me say that a) I wont be responding past the OP because I"m sure this is gonna get flamed to hell b) I dont actualy play the TCG cause I"m not american and so any of the perks that I could "win" like tournament prizes are something I can't have which kinda takes the fun out of it. I can win a tournament, but can't have the dvd blue ray players
FACTS and MYTHS 1) The SWG TCG is one of several TCG's that sony has been running now for in some cases YEARS but for some reason this one is being noticed. LON TCG one of their first is I think now 2 years old and runs on the same principles that the SWG one does in fact they are identical. To date no one has screamed about legalities until the SWG one was born. (why now?) 2) Legal this is personal opinion but no they dont seem illegal to me 3) the availability of the TCG's is NOT only ingame they are all available and played outside of the games by many people. 4) the rewards from the TCG are not game breaking. Since I have had an eq2 account for ages and totally ignored the TCG I mean completely I have not one single piece of "loot" from that game not one card or item . .. yet I stil play at the same level as anyone else. SWG TCG which came with perks for just logging into it made me look. I found they are actually fun so I now play 5) very few players spend hundreds on them for the loot. 6) the TCG is in fact a free perk with the games as they are in fact played outside of the game and can be played seperately without even logging in. See forums for this but there are a lot of people who play more avidly then say me (who has only just started attempting to learn the swg one) who are trading and actualy play the games. 7) So far to date the rewards from the TCG have been somewhat less then stellar. I have gotten most of them via the free packs i get monthly as a result of playing SWG and have spent 8 dollars in total out of curiousity. 8) The podracer is not the fastest and best vehicle in the game its is in fact almost undrivable in most circumstances due to its enourmous size. It acts mostly as nostalgia and decoration. Its speed on a straight away is the same as say a swoop bike or bark or one of the other "fastest" choices. If you want to try to turn it it turns like a cow so dont even try... the most popular car is in fact the red one which is popular for looks not speed 9) Have you seen the barn? its ugly as hell and no one wants it. The diner is nice, but its got a massive design flaw with furniture and its tiny. Again they are fluff items which once I saw them they looked really cool in the pictures, but like the podracer would not even try to get as a result of the fact that they are small and in the case of the barn totally useless... Bottom line the best rewards in the tcg by far so far have been things like paintings of which I have 4 of each of the first set due to free cards... and various things like the bust (I have 2 of those now..) Personal opinion? Its a card game which kind of peaks my interest as something to do because I'm not a pvp'er and I like to relax in a game. Like most of the people I know though in fact all but one of us we spend no money on the game and if we did it was out of curiousity more then anything. The TCG is not breaking the actual SWG game at least its not affecting mine and from what I can see is more popular with the virtual onlint TCG'ers then actual swg account holders. An example of a TCG game that sony holds with no game attached to it is the stargate one and they have a pirate one which I was wondering if it would be merged with pirates of the burning sea, but it never happened. SWG's TCG is not something new to sony and I have not seen such a fuss kicked up except when this game was born. If there was such a concern for legality and people's wallets that concern should have been shown 2 years + ago when these TCG's were introduced not now. Its not affecting the quality of SWG however not by a long shot, but I do have 4 no trade paintings stuffed in my bank that i am considering deleting. The last time I played the TCG was to attempt to beat a christmas scenario so i could get a rock garden which kinda sucked once I won it. I didn't buy a single card to beat that scenario I used the free ones that came with the SWG subscription as I dont play these TGC's as stand alone as they simply are not my cup of tea. The exception to this is that I have considered the pirate treasure one, but never bothered cause I find them far to expensive for what they are. This info is brought to you buy someone who has actualy seen the barn, diner and pod racer (omg that pod racer sucked..) and who has played the TCG and who has spend a grand total of 8 bucks since the game was introduced as an add on to swg. *goes back to shooting things instead*
Some good points, everyone is putting their opinions on this, i decided to leave it to the government officials that were supposedly called up, i'm sure SOE will just have to tweak a few things to make it legit especially since they have had thier other TCG's running for years as you have pointed out.
Yes sadly you will get called names and trolled since that is normal behavior here, hell i get called troll just for discussing things, people just don't like anyone having a different opinion then them.
Arch did a make a good fact post you should check out, i can respect him because he doesn't try and control what people think like some other's around here.
Consistently (and you have made that comment several times now) calling people liars is what is getting you flamed. I know that I spoke to the authorities in my neck of the woods and I know others did the same. Will anything come of it? Time will tell.
Stop implying that people aren't telling the truth and I think you will find the quality of your time here enhanced.
If SOE indeed owns and operates an illegal online gambling scheme because of how they are running the (non) Tradeable (non) Card Game they will NOT be able to get out of it by merely "tweaking" some things.
They will be fined more than they've made off it, and some people might be getting a little "vacation".
As has been pointed out, the SOE "card" game is run VASTLY different than other card games, such as the one WOW has. The highlights:
-There are no actual PHYSICAL cards. WOW cards are actual cards.
-Cards and in game items from bought "packs" can be traded, the "free" ones can't be.
-In game loot items from cards are more than merely cosmetic, they have qualities that make them better than previous in game items and are unobtainable by any other means. The WOW card game does nothing like this.
If SOE indeed owns and operates an illegal online gambling scheme because of how they are running the (non) Tradeable (non) Card Game they will NOT be able to get out of it by merely "tweaking" some things. They will be fined more than they've made off it, and some people might be getting a little "vacation". As has been pointed out, the SOE "card" game is run VASTLY different than other card games, such as the one WOW has. The highlights: -There are no actual PHYSICAL cards. WOW cards are actual cards. -Cards and in game items from bought "packs" can be traded, the "free" ones can't be. -In game loot items from cards are more than merely cosmetic, they have qualities that make them better than previous in game items and are unobtainable by any other means. The WOW card game does nothing like this. -Odds are not published
Some people here think that because nothing happened immediately after it was brought to light that nothing is going to happen. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they DO TURN.
So i've read people saying you need SWG to play the tcg, but i read this in the facts: Playable from within Star Wars Galaxies or through the standalone client, the first release, Champions of the Force, features over 250 digital cards available in both 58-card digital starter decks and 15-card digital booster packs.
So from this i gather you don't need SWG at all to play it or whats the deal? or do you still need a sub to SWG to play it, just curious is all or actually if you have the station pass you would still be good to play it right? Reason i'm asking is i have never played a SOE game and am thinking about getting the station pass, i have a copy of SWG the complete online adventures still in the wrapper and think i might try it out. Also love playing TCG's so i may try it out.
Accessing the TCG, two methods are outlined on the website:
"This first-ever online-only Star Wars® trading card game provides Star Wars Galaxies subscribers with an entirely new gameplay experience by combining the challenge of a trading card game with the adventures and community of the massively multiplayer game!
Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game is an online-only trading card game, based on the massively multiplayer online role-playing game Star Wars Galaxies. Playable from within the MMO, Champions of the Force, the first set for Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game, features over 250 digital cards and is available in both 58-card digital starter decks and 15-card digital booster packs.
Station Access subscribers with accounts in good standing are also able to access and play the Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game.
Additional recurring subscription fees apply to Star Wars Galaxies and Station Access accounts."
The bad news is that you have to pay recurring fees to access your cards after you've "purchased" them. I say purchased in quotes, because you don't actually own them. You do get digital cards though.
The good news: SOE clearly warns people that there are recurring fees to access your cards. This is a small step in a positive direction in my view.
If you want to play a digital TCG, and don't mind not owning the cards, and don't get sucked into gambling for virtual loot, and don't mind paying recurring fees to access your cards, you might enjoy this.
It's not really my cup of tea because of all the fees and potential pitfalls. I just bought a StarWars Pocket Model TCG. Why? I like StarWars; I get a booster pack of real, trading cards; I get 4 miniature spaceship models to construct (my son likes to build them ^_^); and I get new dice. It cost me $2.99 Canadian for a booster pack with all of that in it today. No tricks, no recurring fees. Also, if anyone wants a demonstration starter kit, they can send away for one and get it for free. That, imho, is a good StarWars TCG ^_^.
So i've read people saying you need SWG to play the tcg, but i read this in the facts: Playable from within Star Wars Galaxies or through the standalone client, the first release, Champions of the Force, features over 250 digital cards available in both 58-card digital starter decks and 15-card digital booster packs.
So from this i gather you don't need SWG at all to play it or whats the deal? or do you still need a sub to SWG to play it, just curious is all or actually if you have the station pass you would still be good to play it right? Reason i'm asking is i have never played a SOE game and am thinking about getting the station pass, i have a copy of SWG the complete online adventures still in the wrapper and think i might try it out. Also love playing TCG's so i may try it out.
Accessing the TCG, two methods are outlined on the website:
"This first-ever online-only Star Wars® trading card game provides Star Wars Galaxies subscribers with an entirely new gameplay experience by combining the challenge of a trading card game with the adventures and community of the massively multiplayer game!
Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game is an online-only trading card game, based on the massively multiplayer online role-playing game Star Wars Galaxies. Playable from within the MMO, Champions of the Force, the first set for Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game, features over 250 digital cards and is available in both 58-card digital starter decks and 15-card digital booster packs.
Station Access subscribers with accounts in good standing are also able to access and play the Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game.
Additional recurring subscription fees apply to Star Wars Galaxies and Station Access accounts."
The bad news is that you have to pay recurring fees to access your cards after you've "purchased" them. I say purchased in quotes, because you don't actually own them. You do get digital cards though.
The good news: SOE clearly warns people that there are recurring fees to access your cards. This is a small step in a positive direction in my view.
If you want to play a digital TCG, and don't mind not owning the cards, and don't get sucked into gambling for virtual loot, and don't mind paying recurring fees to access your cards, you might enjoy this.
It's not really my cup of tea because of all the fees and potential pitfalls. I just bought a StarWars Pocket Model TCG. Why? I like StarWars; I get a booster pack of real, trading cards; I get 4 miniature spaceship models to construct (my son likes to build them ^_^); and I get new dice. It cost me $2.99 Canadian for a booster pack with all of that in it today. No tricks, no recurring fees. Also, if anyone wants a demonstration starter kit, they can send away for one and get it for free. That, imho, is a good StarWars TCG ^_^.
Eh i'll prolly try it out, i got cash to waste anyways lol. Hell i've wasted cash on worse, meh.
I've seen the TCG your are talking about, havn't bought any though, not too many interested in Star Wars here were i live.
I know all to well about people and their gambling problems, i don't have issues like that since i can control myself. As for owning the cards, i don't care, hell i had years worth of Magic the gathering i just gave away, no big deal to me.
More interested in SWG anyways, as i'm getting kinda bored with other MMO's i figured what the hell, i'll see what all the fuss is about.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
If SOE indeed owns and operates an illegal online gambling scheme because of how they are running the (non) Tradeable (non) Card Game they will NOT be able to get out of it by merely "tweaking" some things. They will be fined more than they've made off it, and some people might be getting a little "vacation". As has been pointed out, the SOE "card" game is run VASTLY different than other card games, such as the one WOW has. The highlights: -There are no actual PHYSICAL cards. WOW cards are actual cards. -Cards and in game items from bought "packs" can be traded, the "free" ones can't be. -In game loot items from cards are more than merely cosmetic, they have qualities that make them better than previous in game items and are unobtainable by any other means. The WOW card game does nothing like this. -Odds are not published
Finally some actual facts about the SWG card game. Hopefully ummax reads this and can tell the difference between facts and opinions.
If SOE indeed owns and operates an illegal online gambling scheme because of how they are running the (non) Tradeable (non) Card Game they will NOT be able to get out of it by merely "tweaking" some things. They will be fined more than they've made off it, and some people might be getting a little "vacation". As has been pointed out, the SOE "card" game is run VASTLY different than other card games, such as the one WOW has. The highlights: -There are no actual PHYSICAL cards. WOW cards are actual cards. -Cards and in game items from bought "packs" can be traded, the "free" ones can't be. -In game loot items from cards are more than merely cosmetic, they have qualities that make them better than previous in game items and are unobtainable by any other means. The WOW card game does nothing like this. -Odds are not published
Finally some actual facts about the SWG card game. Hopefully ummax reads this and can tell the difference between facts and opinions.
the fact that my facts are accompanied by a commentary still does not take away from the FACT that what I have said is 100% true. People seem to choose to place some negative spin on it because they feel somehow the WoW one is somehow more legitimate. Up until my post everyone has been screaming that the only way you can get to play the TCG is by paying for the SWG game. I have stated otherwise and it is a fact and it is true. People have stated that the fastest vehicles are only available as TCG items I have stated otherwise and this FACT is true.
I posted my post and if it makes just one person with a brain think (and from what I can see it did) then my post was worth it. Unlike you I'm not here to give anyone a good or bad name. I just saw a bunch of information that was totally inaccurate about this card game that is plainly available on the website for anyone to disprove. I dont know much about TCG's however its a game with virtual cards and people play it and have fun with it. The fact remains that not one single loot card has given anyone any real advantage that is in fact a FACT. The fact that the TCG that sony makes (4 of them I had to go and check myself) is not identical to WoW's is a fact, but does not make the ones that sony makes any more or less card games or invalid.
The fact that most comments were just trolling comments with the exception of archangel who's WoW stuff I had in fact read before I even posted this thread. Also speaks volumes. No one has much to add really other then of course the information that I conveyed which is easily found by simple reading off of the websites is somehow only opinion is mind boggling.
Nothing changes much except its clear that at least one poster on this forum somehow (lord knows why *end sarcasm*) was mistakenly lead to believe by posters on this site that the only way he can play the TCG is to pay for the SWG game when in fact he only wanted to play a TCG. If one person finds out what really is true from this thread and sees beyond the negative propoganda continuously spun on this forum then my post accomplished its purpose. The sole purpose was to make people think and that is what it did. I of course dont expect those who come in with the quips and one liners to stop and think as they have from what I can tell already made up their minds. This post was not meant for people that come here with no intention of taking part in a dialogue this post was meant for people who come here as adults who's sole purpose is to discuss a game. Unfortunately pretty much everything you write says otherwise starting with the one liner where you stated you didn't even read my post and stopped at the first sentance. So in your case your not interested in dialogue just trolling. Trolls will be trolls and that you definately are.
Anyhow it was nice while it lasted and then on page one it turned into a crapfest of meaningless stuff with one exception or possibly two. thanks to those that actually wrote words on the subject.
People seem to choose to place some negative spin on it because they feel somehow the WoW one is somehow more legitimate.
That's probably because, you know, the WoW card game has actual cards. The WoW card game also doesn't screw over players like the SWG card game does. I'd sure hate to be playing an architect, engineer, shipwright or chef in SWG and see the TCG rewards currently being given out...
Personally, I don't care one way for the other about the card game. If you enjoy it, great -- they added something you like.
If you don't, oh well, they always add things that people don't like -- I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world. Would I rather they spend their money adding better game-related things? yep, but it's not the end of the world either way.
This is why I haven't written much on it in these various threads -- I just don't care all that much either way, although I do know some folks really hate it, and some like it as well.
That being said, as soon as they introduce game-breaking or imbalancing items as loot, my opinion will change.
Personally, I don't care one way for the other about the card game. If you enjoy it, great -- they added something you like. If you don't, oh well, they always add things that people don't like -- I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world. Would I rather they spend their money adding better game-related things? yep, but it's not the end of the world either way. This is why I haven't written much on it in these various threads -- I just don't care all that much either way, although I do know some folks really hate it, and some like it as well. That being said, as soon as they introduce game-breaking or imbalancing items as loot, my opinion will change.
Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
Personally, I don't care one way for the other about the card game. If you enjoy it, great -- they added something you like. If you don't, oh well, they always add things that people don't like -- I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world. Would I rather they spend their money adding better game-related things? yep, but it's not the end of the world either way. This is why I haven't written much on it in these various threads -- I just don't care all that much either way, although I do know some folks really hate it, and some like it as well. That being said, as soon as they introduce game-breaking or imbalancing items as loot, my opinion will change.
Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
I do see that, and yes it would be much better if more crafter related things were added. That being said, adding more loot doesn't TAKE way from crafters. Adding is adding. I have always felt that games can have a good loot game for those who like the loot game and a great crafting game.
take weapons for instance. All my characters have crafted weapons now since update five, and I went out and bought every one of the new kinds. That was a good update. The card game doesn't change that. the best stuff is crafted.
I am a crafter in the game, specifically a structures crafter, so yes I would have rather had the barn or the diner added as things I could make for people, but I still make plenty of credits making what I make -- mostly ship chassis and parts and houses made to order.
Engineers are fairly well screwed still until and unless they do a good droid commander revamp.
Personally, I don't care one way for the other about the card game. If you enjoy it, great -- they added something you like. If you don't, oh well, they always add things that people don't like -- I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world. Would I rather they spend their money adding better game-related things? yep, but it's not the end of the world either way. This is why I haven't written much on it in these various threads -- I just don't care all that much either way, although I do know some folks really hate it, and some like it as well. That being said, as soon as they introduce game-breaking or imbalancing items as loot, my opinion will change.
Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
I do see that, and yes it would be much better if more crafter related things were added. That being said, adding more loot doesn't TAKE way from crafters. Adding is adding. I have always felt that games can have a good loot game for those who like the loot game and a great crafting game.
take weapons for instance. All my characters have crafted weapons now since update five, and I went out and bought every one of the new kinds. That was a good update. The card game doesn't change that. the best stuff is crafted.
I am a crafter in the game, specifically a structures crafter, so yes I would have rather had the barn or the diner added as things I could make for people, but I still make plenty of credits making what I make -- mostly ship chassis and parts and houses made to order.
Engineers are fairly well screwed still until and unless they do a good droid commander revamp.
So now imagine if the best weapon you could get wasn't craftable but a reward from the card game. It's the same issue with crafters and the card game rewards.
Actually I bet you won't have to imagine for long...I don't see SOE being able to resist doing just that to keep the money flowing.
As a current paying subscriber who plays in a guild of 150 people we barely noticed.
I couldn't make it past this sentence. Your guild doesn't have 150 in it.
*sigh*
enjoy the thread this is the point where its about to degenerate into side conversations about things that are unarguable such as say guild size or the number of dots on a photograph. Can't be bothered.
So I leave for another 6 months with this solid reality.
if the TCG is illegal based on the fact that there are no real cards then what about mmorpgs especially ones like say EVE or Ryzom that dont even make a disk are those also scams or illegal? They take your money and give you pixels.
This is simply an extension or another form of entertainment for many in a world that is more and mroe run by computers with websites and brick and mortar business are on the decline and less and less paper is used and more and more hard drives are used instead.
I have no wish however to debate with you the actual size of the guild i'm in so I make my exit and let the trolls start with the trolling as all good trolls do. (I wish more people were like archangel to be honest where they just talk and leave it at that. He one of the most respectful posters on this forum and I enjoy talking to him I can't say the same however for commetns like this so i take my leave )
actually, the TGS is illegal on 2 fronts,1) online gambling is banned in the US and 2) underage gambling is banned everywhere else in the world.
and yes you are gambling. pay money chances to get item. thats pure gambling. and last time i checked SWG is not 18+ ( in canada) ot 21+ (in US)
People seem to choose to place some negative spin on it because they feel somehow the WoW one is somehow more legitimate.
That's probably because, you know, the WoW card game has actual cards. The WoW card game also doesn't screw over players like the SWG card game does. I'd sure hate to be playing an architect, engineer, shipwright or chef in SWG and see the TCG rewards currently being given out...
I"m pretty sure I care about the issue of the game unlike you. I"m not here dumping on it over the fact that WoW tcg has paper cards and the SWG TCG has no paper cards. HOw many crafters do you have inside SWG at this moment? Want to know how many I have? 4 yes 4. One is a structure trader. I hold 3 SWG accounts have one unlocked jedi slot and have 4 craters, 2 combatants and an entertainer. So you can say I am paying for the right to play this game and enjoy doing so.
Bottom line you simply hate the game and hate sony for what they did in the past which is long long gone. I have been playing this new version of SWG for what it is in the present and am enjoying it for what it is now. I am hoping the SWG has more items added to the crafter classes and was fairly well impressed and very very happy when I could make weapons that were on par with looted items. This is what is true about the game as well. All you see is black I see it all. What I have seen is that any revamps they have done have added to the proffs and made the crafting proffs more usefull then they have been for awhile. I am eagerly awaiting what structure traders will be getting with the guild/city revamp stuff as more has been promised there.
What I dont do is run around doing what you do which is nothing really only just a few trolling words. So yes you could say I have an interest in seeing the game improved upon and hope that this game lives one for awhile longer because I do have fun playing i despite its flaws. NOthing in this world is perfect and the minute you give in to the fact that you can't control every aspect of it is the minute you start to relax, let go and enjoy what exists in it as it is. I dont lament over what I Lost that's a total waste of energy and to be honest not very fun. I tend to be positive and upbeat because its a much more pleasant way to live then running around on forums spewing what amounts to a bunch of nonsense, hate and simple nastiness. some people enjoy being nasty to others and have fun watching that nastiness and revel in the fact that they make other people feel bad. I"m not one of those. So unlike you I"m not here to troll I came here to talk about I game I enjoy playing (still) after residcovering it almost a year back now and realizing it was no longer broken and unplayable.
I know this is hard to understand and that you somehow feel its evil, but its not really its simply a human being saying they have fun. So despite your silly comments its pretty obvious by the fact that I have 4 crafters that I in fact care about what happens to them. If the introduction of a butt ugly tiny barn and a diner that is so small you can't really use it as on is going to break crafting in SWG then I hate to say it crafting never had a chance. You may be surprised to hear that I sold a bunch of that diner furniture to people with no diners and they made their generic houses into rather cool looking diners (sandbox concept appears here to some extent) they took the furniture and their imaginations and made their own diner which to be honest was a lot nicer then the TCG one.
That's how people play the game of SWG in my neck of the woods and they have fun doing it
Personally, I don't care one way for the other about the card game. If you enjoy it, great -- they added something you like. If you don't, oh well, they always add things that people don't like -- I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world. Would I rather they spend their money adding better game-related things? yep, but it's not the end of the world either way. This is why I haven't written much on it in these various threads -- I just don't care all that much either way, although I do know some folks really hate it, and some like it as well. That being said, as soon as they introduce game-breaking or imbalancing items as loot, my opinion will change.
Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
I do see that, and yes it would be much better if more crafter related things were added. That being said, adding more loot doesn't TAKE way from crafters. Adding is adding. I have always felt that games can have a good loot game for those who like the loot game and a great crafting game.
take weapons for instance. All my characters have crafted weapons now since update five, and I went out and bought every one of the new kinds. That was a good update. The card game doesn't change that. the best stuff is crafted.
I am a crafter in the game, specifically a structures crafter, so yes I would have rather had the barn or the diner added as things I could make for people, but I still make plenty of credits making what I make -- mostly ship chassis and parts and houses made to order.
Engineers are fairly well screwed still until and unless they do a good droid commander revamp.
So now imagine if the best weapon you could get wasn't craftable but a reward from the card game. It's the same issue with crafters and the card game rewards.
Actually I bet you won't have to imagine for long...I don't see SOE being able to resist doing just that to keep the money flowing.
Yup, and as I said, when that happens, my opinion will change. When the facts change, my opinion on things will often change as well.
As a current paying subscriber who plays in a guild of 150 people we barely noticed.
I couldn't make it past this sentence. Your guild doesn't have 150 in it.
The guild could have 150 members, but are they all active?
The guild my main is a member of on Ahazi has 200 odd members, but only about 20 active, tops.
Yup same here. Over 200 in my guild, but MAYBE 40-50 active on Bloodfin (I'm not counting myself as active, since I barely play these days). My main character's guild on Intrepid died long ago...I'll be moving somewhere else later this month. We'll see what's up after that.
As a current paying subscriber who plays in a guild of 150 people we barely noticed.
I couldn't make it past this sentence. Your guild doesn't have 150 in it.
The guild could have 150 members, but are they all active?
The guild my main is a member of on Ahazi has 200 odd members, but only about 20 active, tops.
Yup same here. Over 200 in my guild, but MAYBE 40-50 active on Bloodfin (I'm not counting myself as active, since I barely play these days). My main character's guild on Intrepid died long ago...I'll be moving somewhere else later this month. We'll see what's up after that.
Yes but ummax stated that 150 people in her guild don't care about the card game which implies there are 150 people active in the guild. Something I find very, very hard to believe.
People seem to choose to place some negative spin on it because they feel somehow the WoW one is somehow more legitimate.
That's probably because, you know, the WoW card game has actual cards. The WoW card game also doesn't screw over players like the SWG card game does. I'd sure hate to be playing an architect, engineer, shipwright or chef in SWG and see the TCG rewards currently being given out...
I"m pretty sure I care about the issue of the game unlike you. I"m not here dumping on it over the fact that WoW tcg has paper cards and the SWG TCG has no paper cards. HOw many crafters do you have inside SWG at this moment? Want to know how many I have? 4 yes 4. One is a structure trader. I hold 3 SWG accounts have one unlocked jedi slot and have 4 craters, 2 combatants and an entertainer. So you can say I am paying for the right to play this game and enjoy doing so.
Bottom line you simply hate the game and hate sony for what they did in the past which is long long gone. I have been playing this new version of SWG for what it is in the present and am enjoying it for what it is now. I am hoping the SWG has more items added to the crafter classes and was fairly well impressed and very very happy when I could make weapons that were on par with looted items. This is what is true about the game as well. All you see is black I see it all. What I have seen is that any revamps they have done have added to the proffs and made the crafting proffs more usefull then they have been for awhile. I am eagerly awaiting what structure traders will be getting with the guild/city revamp stuff as more has been promised there.
What I dont do is run around doing what you do which is nothing really only just a few trolling words. So yes you could say I have an interest in seeing the game improved upon and hope that this game lives one for awhile longer because I do have fun playing i despite its flaws. NOthing in this world is perfect and the minute you give in to the fact that you can't control every aspect of it is the minute you start to relax, let go and enjoy what exists in it as it is. I dont lament over what I Lost that's a total waste of energy and to be honest not very fun. I tend to be positive and upbeat because its a much more pleasant way to live then running around on forums spewing what amounts to a bunch of nonsense, hate and simple nastiness. some people enjoy being nasty to others and have fun watching that nastiness and revel in the fact that they make other people feel bad. I"m not one of those. So unlike you I"m not here to troll I came here to talk about I game I enjoy playing (still) after residcovering it almost a year back now and realizing it was no longer broken and unplayable.
I know this is hard to understand and that you somehow feel its evil, but its not really its simply a human being saying they have fun. So despite your silly comments its pretty obvious by the fact that I have 4 crafters that I in fact care about what happens to them. If the introduction of a butt ugly tiny barn and a diner that is so small you can't really use it as on is going to break crafting in SWG then I hate to say it crafting never had a chance. You may be surprised to hear that I sold a bunch of that diner furniture to people with no diners and they made their generic houses into rather cool looking diners (sandbox concept appears here to some extent) they took the furniture and their imaginations and made their own diner which to be honest was a lot nicer then the TCG one.
That's how people play the game of SWG in my neck of the woods and they have fun doing it
I see. So your idea on how to improve SWG is to have an electronic lottery that takes real money (on top of the monthly subscription fee) and screws over crafters. Got it. Sounds like a fantastic plan.
So as a passerby what's the big deal with the card game? Because they're no physical cards? Because you cant trade free cards? Or theres no odds of knowing when you'll get a rare card? So basically its run just like tetramaster which was part of FFXI?
I must be missing the illegal part. I'm catching the bitter SOE haters part though. Everyone knows SOE is probably one of the worst current MMO owners but this just seems like people who were "hurt" by them grasping at straws.
I"m pretty sure I care about the issue of the game unlike you. I"m not here dumping on it over the fact that WoW tcg has paper cards and the SWG TCG has no paper cards. HOw many crafters do you have inside SWG at this moment? Want to know how many I have? 4 yes 4. One is a structure trader. I hold 3 SWG accounts have one unlocked jedi slot and have 4 craters, 2 combatants and an entertainer. So you can say I am paying for the right to play this game and enjoy doing so. Bottom line you simply hate the game and hate sony for what they did in the past which is long long gone. I have been playing this new version of SWG for what it is in the present and am enjoying it for what it is now. I am hoping the SWG has more items added to the crafter classes and was fairly well impressed and very very happy when I could make weapons that were on par with looted items. This is what is true about the game as well. All you see is black I see it all. What I have seen is that any revamps they have done have added to the proffs and made the crafting proffs more usefull then they have been for awhile. I am eagerly awaiting what structure traders will be getting with the guild/city revamp stuff as more has been promised there. What I dont do is run around doing what you do which is nothing really only just a few trolling words. So yes you could say I have an interest in seeing the game improved upon and hope that this game lives one for awhile longer because I do have fun playing i despite its flaws. NOthing in this world is perfect and the minute you give in to the fact that you can't control every aspect of it is the minute you start to relax, let go and enjoy what exists in it as it is. I dont lament over what I Lost that's a total waste of energy and to be honest not very fun. I tend to be positive and upbeat because its a much more pleasant way to live then running around on forums spewing what amounts to a bunch of nonsense, hate and simple nastiness. some people enjoy being nasty to others and have fun watching that nastiness and revel in the fact that they make other people feel bad. I"m not one of those. So unlike you I"m not here to troll I came here to talk about I game I enjoy playing (still) after residcovering it almost a year back now and realizing it was no longer broken and unplayable. I know this is hard to understand and that you somehow feel its evil, but its not really its simply a human being saying they have fun. So despite your silly comments its pretty obvious by the fact that I have 4 crafters that I in fact care about what happens to them. If the introduction of a butt ugly tiny barn and a diner that is so small you can't really use it as on is going to break crafting in SWG then I hate to say it crafting never had a chance. You may be surprised to hear that I sold a bunch of that diner furniture to people with no diners and they made their generic houses into rather cool looking diners (sandbox concept appears here to some extent) they took the furniture and their imaginations and made their own diner which to be honest was a lot nicer then the TCG one. That's how people play the game of SWG in my neck of the woods and they have fun doing it
I see. So your idea on how to improve SWG is to have an electronic lottery that takes real money (on top of the monthly subscription fee) and screws over crafters. Got it. Sounds like a fantastic plan.
Well
#1 I see you manage to create fiction from what I say
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You have to have an active sub to play the TCG. Ive also heard (cant confirm) that you have to have SWG installed to use the standalone client.
S
Thanks for the info.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Some good points, everyone is putting their opinions on this, i decided to leave it to the government officials that were supposedly called up, i'm sure SOE will just have to tweak a few things to make it legit especially since they have had thier other TCG's running for years as you have pointed out.
Yes sadly you will get called names and trolled since that is normal behavior here, hell i get called troll just for discussing things, people just don't like anyone having a different opinion then them.
Arch did a make a good fact post you should check out, i can respect him because he doesn't try and control what people think like some other's around here.
Consistently (and you have made that comment several times now) calling people liars is what is getting you flamed. I know that I spoke to the authorities in my neck of the woods and I know others did the same. Will anything come of it? Time will tell.
Stop implying that people aren't telling the truth and I think you will find the quality of your time here enhanced.
Regards
S
I was talking about current subscribed players in reference to the outcry on the oboards. Are they old and played out as well?
Go figure...
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Nice to see you again Ummax!
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If SOE indeed owns and operates an illegal online gambling scheme because of how they are running the (non) Tradeable (non) Card Game they will NOT be able to get out of it by merely "tweaking" some things.
They will be fined more than they've made off it, and some people might be getting a little "vacation".
As has been pointed out, the SOE "card" game is run VASTLY different than other card games, such as the one WOW has. The highlights:
-There are no actual PHYSICAL cards. WOW cards are actual cards.
-Cards and in game items from bought "packs" can be traded, the "free" ones can't be.
-In game loot items from cards are more than merely cosmetic, they have qualities that make them better than previous in game items and are unobtainable by any other means. The WOW card game does nothing like this.
-Odds are not published
Some people here think that because nothing happened immediately after it was brought to light that nothing is going to happen. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they DO TURN.
S
Accessing the TCG, two methods are outlined on the website:
"This first-ever online-only Star Wars® trading card game provides Star Wars Galaxies subscribers with an entirely new gameplay experience by combining the challenge of a trading card game with the adventures and community of the massively multiplayer game!
Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game is an online-only trading card game, based on the massively multiplayer online role-playing game Star Wars Galaxies. Playable from within the MMO, Champions of the Force, the first set for Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game, features over 250 digital cards and is available in both 58-card digital starter decks and 15-card digital booster packs.
Station Access subscribers with accounts in good standing are also able to access and play the Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game.
Additional recurring subscription fees apply to Star Wars Galaxies and Station Access accounts."
The bad news is that you have to pay recurring fees to access your cards after you've "purchased" them. I say purchased in quotes, because you don't actually own them. You do get digital cards though.
The good news: SOE clearly warns people that there are recurring fees to access your cards. This is a small step in a positive direction in my view.
If you want to play a digital TCG, and don't mind not owning the cards, and don't get sucked into gambling for virtual loot, and don't mind paying recurring fees to access your cards, you might enjoy this.
It's not really my cup of tea because of all the fees and potential pitfalls. I just bought a StarWars Pocket Model TCG. Why? I like StarWars; I get a booster pack of real, trading cards; I get 4 miniature spaceship models to construct (my son likes to build them ^_^); and I get new dice. It cost me $2.99 Canadian for a booster pack with all of that in it today. No tricks, no recurring fees. Also, if anyone wants a demonstration starter kit, they can send away for one and get it for free. That, imho, is a good StarWars TCG ^_^.
Accessing the TCG, two methods are outlined on the website:
"This first-ever online-only Star Wars® trading card game provides Star Wars Galaxies subscribers with an entirely new gameplay experience by combining the challenge of a trading card game with the adventures and community of the massively multiplayer game!
Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game is an online-only trading card game, based on the massively multiplayer online role-playing game Star Wars Galaxies. Playable from within the MMO, Champions of the Force, the first set for Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game, features over 250 digital cards and is available in both 58-card digital starter decks and 15-card digital booster packs.
Station Access subscribers with accounts in good standing are also able to access and play the Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game.
Additional recurring subscription fees apply to Star Wars Galaxies and Station Access accounts."
The bad news is that you have to pay recurring fees to access your cards after you've "purchased" them. I say purchased in quotes, because you don't actually own them. You do get digital cards though.
The good news: SOE clearly warns people that there are recurring fees to access your cards. This is a small step in a positive direction in my view.
If you want to play a digital TCG, and don't mind not owning the cards, and don't get sucked into gambling for virtual loot, and don't mind paying recurring fees to access your cards, you might enjoy this.
It's not really my cup of tea because of all the fees and potential pitfalls. I just bought a StarWars Pocket Model TCG. Why? I like StarWars; I get a booster pack of real, trading cards; I get 4 miniature spaceship models to construct (my son likes to build them ^_^); and I get new dice. It cost me $2.99 Canadian for a booster pack with all of that in it today. No tricks, no recurring fees. Also, if anyone wants a demonstration starter kit, they can send away for one and get it for free. That, imho, is a good StarWars TCG ^_^.
Eh i'll prolly try it out, i got cash to waste anyways lol. Hell i've wasted cash on worse, meh.
I've seen the TCG your are talking about, havn't bought any though, not too many interested in Star Wars here were i live.
I know all to well about people and their gambling problems, i don't have issues like that since i can control myself. As for owning the cards, i don't care, hell i had years worth of Magic the gathering i just gave away, no big deal to me.
More interested in SWG anyways, as i'm getting kinda bored with other MMO's i figured what the hell, i'll see what all the fuss is about.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Finally some actual facts about the SWG card game. Hopefully ummax reads this and can tell the difference between facts and opinions.
Finally some actual facts about the SWG card game. Hopefully ummax reads this and can tell the difference between facts and opinions.
the fact that my facts are accompanied by a commentary still does not take away from the FACT that what I have said is 100% true. People seem to choose to place some negative spin on it because they feel somehow the WoW one is somehow more legitimate. Up until my post everyone has been screaming that the only way you can get to play the TCG is by paying for the SWG game. I have stated otherwise and it is a fact and it is true. People have stated that the fastest vehicles are only available as TCG items I have stated otherwise and this FACT is true.
I posted my post and if it makes just one person with a brain think (and from what I can see it did) then my post was worth it. Unlike you I'm not here to give anyone a good or bad name. I just saw a bunch of information that was totally inaccurate about this card game that is plainly available on the website for anyone to disprove. I dont know much about TCG's however its a game with virtual cards and people play it and have fun with it. The fact remains that not one single loot card has given anyone any real advantage that is in fact a FACT. The fact that the TCG that sony makes (4 of them I had to go and check myself) is not identical to WoW's is a fact, but does not make the ones that sony makes any more or less card games or invalid.
The fact that most comments were just trolling comments with the exception of archangel who's WoW stuff I had in fact read before I even posted this thread. Also speaks volumes. No one has much to add really other then of course the information that I conveyed which is easily found by simple reading off of the websites is somehow only opinion is mind boggling.
Nothing changes much except its clear that at least one poster on this forum somehow (lord knows why *end sarcasm*) was mistakenly lead to believe by posters on this site that the only way he can play the TCG is to pay for the SWG game when in fact he only wanted to play a TCG. If one person finds out what really is true from this thread and sees beyond the negative propoganda continuously spun on this forum then my post accomplished its purpose. The sole purpose was to make people think and that is what it did. I of course dont expect those who come in with the quips and one liners to stop and think as they have from what I can tell already made up their minds. This post was not meant for people that come here with no intention of taking part in a dialogue this post was meant for people who come here as adults who's sole purpose is to discuss a game. Unfortunately pretty much everything you write says otherwise starting with the one liner where you stated you didn't even read my post and stopped at the first sentance. So in your case your not interested in dialogue just trolling. Trolls will be trolls and that you definately are.
Anyhow it was nice while it lasted and then on page one it turned into a crapfest of meaningless stuff with one exception or possibly two. thanks to those that actually wrote words on the subject.
That's probably because, you know, the WoW card game has actual cards. The WoW card game also doesn't screw over players like the SWG card game does. I'd sure hate to be playing an architect, engineer, shipwright or chef in SWG and see the TCG rewards currently being given out...
Personally, I don't care one way for the other about the card game. If you enjoy it, great -- they added something you like.
If you don't, oh well, they always add things that people don't like -- I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world. Would I rather they spend their money adding better game-related things? yep, but it's not the end of the world either way.
This is why I haven't written much on it in these various threads -- I just don't care all that much either way, although I do know some folks really hate it, and some like it as well.
That being said, as soon as they introduce game-breaking or imbalancing items as loot, my opinion will change.
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Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
I do see that, and yes it would be much better if more crafter related things were added. That being said, adding more loot doesn't TAKE way from crafters. Adding is adding. I have always felt that games can have a good loot game for those who like the loot game and a great crafting game.
take weapons for instance. All my characters have crafted weapons now since update five, and I went out and bought every one of the new kinds. That was a good update. The card game doesn't change that. the best stuff is crafted.
I am a crafter in the game, specifically a structures crafter, so yes I would have rather had the barn or the diner added as things I could make for people, but I still make plenty of credits making what I make -- mostly ship chassis and parts and houses made to order.
Engineers are fairly well screwed still until and unless they do a good droid commander revamp.
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Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
I do see that, and yes it would be much better if more crafter related things were added. That being said, adding more loot doesn't TAKE way from crafters. Adding is adding. I have always felt that games can have a good loot game for those who like the loot game and a great crafting game.
take weapons for instance. All my characters have crafted weapons now since update five, and I went out and bought every one of the new kinds. That was a good update. The card game doesn't change that. the best stuff is crafted.
I am a crafter in the game, specifically a structures crafter, so yes I would have rather had the barn or the diner added as things I could make for people, but I still make plenty of credits making what I make -- mostly ship chassis and parts and houses made to order.
Engineers are fairly well screwed still until and unless they do a good droid commander revamp.
So now imagine if the best weapon you could get wasn't craftable but a reward from the card game. It's the same issue with crafters and the card game rewards.
Actually I bet you won't have to imagine for long...I don't see SOE being able to resist doing just that to keep the money flowing.
I couldn't make it past this sentence. Your guild doesn't have 150 in it.
*sigh*
enjoy the thread this is the point where its about to degenerate into side conversations about things that are unarguable such as say guild size or the number of dots on a photograph. Can't be bothered.
So I leave for another 6 months with this solid reality.
if the TCG is illegal based on the fact that there are no real cards then what about mmorpgs especially ones like say EVE or Ryzom that dont even make a disk are those also scams or illegal? They take your money and give you pixels.
This is simply an extension or another form of entertainment for many in a world that is more and mroe run by computers with websites and brick and mortar business are on the decline and less and less paper is used and more and more hard drives are used instead.
I have no wish however to debate with you the actual size of the guild i'm in so I make my exit and let the trolls start with the trolling as all good trolls do. (I wish more people were like archangel to be honest where they just talk and leave it at that. He one of the most respectful posters on this forum and I enjoy talking to him I can't say the same however for commetns like this so i take my leave )
actually, the TGS is illegal on 2 fronts,1) online gambling is banned in the US and 2) underage gambling is banned everywhere else in the world.
and yes you are gambling. pay money chances to get item. thats pure gambling. and last time i checked SWG is not 18+ ( in canada) ot 21+ (in US)
That's probably because, you know, the WoW card game has actual cards. The WoW card game also doesn't screw over players like the SWG card game does. I'd sure hate to be playing an architect, engineer, shipwright or chef in SWG and see the TCG rewards currently being given out...
I"m pretty sure I care about the issue of the game unlike you. I"m not here dumping on it over the fact that WoW tcg has paper cards and the SWG TCG has no paper cards. HOw many crafters do you have inside SWG at this moment? Want to know how many I have? 4 yes 4. One is a structure trader. I hold 3 SWG accounts have one unlocked jedi slot and have 4 craters, 2 combatants and an entertainer. So you can say I am paying for the right to play this game and enjoy doing so.
Bottom line you simply hate the game and hate sony for what they did in the past which is long long gone. I have been playing this new version of SWG for what it is in the present and am enjoying it for what it is now. I am hoping the SWG has more items added to the crafter classes and was fairly well impressed and very very happy when I could make weapons that were on par with looted items. This is what is true about the game as well. All you see is black I see it all. What I have seen is that any revamps they have done have added to the proffs and made the crafting proffs more usefull then they have been for awhile. I am eagerly awaiting what structure traders will be getting with the guild/city revamp stuff as more has been promised there.
What I dont do is run around doing what you do which is nothing really only just a few trolling words. So yes you could say I have an interest in seeing the game improved upon and hope that this game lives one for awhile longer because I do have fun playing i despite its flaws. NOthing in this world is perfect and the minute you give in to the fact that you can't control every aspect of it is the minute you start to relax, let go and enjoy what exists in it as it is. I dont lament over what I Lost that's a total waste of energy and to be honest not very fun. I tend to be positive and upbeat because its a much more pleasant way to live then running around on forums spewing what amounts to a bunch of nonsense, hate and simple nastiness. some people enjoy being nasty to others and have fun watching that nastiness and revel in the fact that they make other people feel bad. I"m not one of those. So unlike you I"m not here to troll I came here to talk about I game I enjoy playing (still) after residcovering it almost a year back now and realizing it was no longer broken and unplayable.
I know this is hard to understand and that you somehow feel its evil, but its not really its simply a human being saying they have fun. So despite your silly comments its pretty obvious by the fact that I have 4 crafters that I in fact care about what happens to them. If the introduction of a butt ugly tiny barn and a diner that is so small you can't really use it as on is going to break crafting in SWG then I hate to say it crafting never had a chance. You may be surprised to hear that I sold a bunch of that diner furniture to people with no diners and they made their generic houses into rather cool looking diners (sandbox concept appears here to some extent) they took the furniture and their imaginations and made their own diner which to be honest was a lot nicer then the TCG one.
That's how people play the game of SWG in my neck of the woods and they have fun doing it
Don't you see that to crafters who still play SWG the TCG rewards are the equivalent of imbalanced loot for combat characters?
I get that someone like ummax wouldn't understand (or care) but I thought you would...
I do see that, and yes it would be much better if more crafter related things were added. That being said, adding more loot doesn't TAKE way from crafters. Adding is adding. I have always felt that games can have a good loot game for those who like the loot game and a great crafting game.
take weapons for instance. All my characters have crafted weapons now since update five, and I went out and bought every one of the new kinds. That was a good update. The card game doesn't change that. the best stuff is crafted.
I am a crafter in the game, specifically a structures crafter, so yes I would have rather had the barn or the diner added as things I could make for people, but I still make plenty of credits making what I make -- mostly ship chassis and parts and houses made to order.
Engineers are fairly well screwed still until and unless they do a good droid commander revamp.
So now imagine if the best weapon you could get wasn't craftable but a reward from the card game. It's the same issue with crafters and the card game rewards.
Actually I bet you won't have to imagine for long...I don't see SOE being able to resist doing just that to keep the money flowing.
Yup, and as I said, when that happens, my opinion will change. When the facts change, my opinion on things will often change as well.
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are any of the items from the lottery tradeable? as in you could ebay it?
I couldn't make it past this sentence. Your guild doesn't have 150 in it.
The guild could have 150 members, but are they all active?
The guild my main is a member of on Ahazi has 200 odd members, but only about 20 active, tops.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
I couldn't make it past this sentence. Your guild doesn't have 150 in it.
The guild could have 150 members, but are they all active?
The guild my main is a member of on Ahazi has 200 odd members, but only about 20 active, tops.
Yup same here. Over 200 in my guild, but MAYBE 40-50 active on Bloodfin (I'm not counting myself as active, since I barely play these days). My main character's guild on Intrepid died long ago...I'll be moving somewhere else later this month. We'll see what's up after that.
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I couldn't make it past this sentence. Your guild doesn't have 150 in it.
The guild could have 150 members, but are they all active?
The guild my main is a member of on Ahazi has 200 odd members, but only about 20 active, tops.
Yup same here. Over 200 in my guild, but MAYBE 40-50 active on Bloodfin (I'm not counting myself as active, since I barely play these days). My main character's guild on Intrepid died long ago...I'll be moving somewhere else later this month. We'll see what's up after that.
Yes but ummax stated that 150 people in her guild don't care about the card game which implies there are 150 people active in the guild. Something I find very, very hard to believe.
That's probably because, you know, the WoW card game has actual cards. The WoW card game also doesn't screw over players like the SWG card game does. I'd sure hate to be playing an architect, engineer, shipwright or chef in SWG and see the TCG rewards currently being given out...
I"m pretty sure I care about the issue of the game unlike you. I"m not here dumping on it over the fact that WoW tcg has paper cards and the SWG TCG has no paper cards. HOw many crafters do you have inside SWG at this moment? Want to know how many I have? 4 yes 4. One is a structure trader. I hold 3 SWG accounts have one unlocked jedi slot and have 4 craters, 2 combatants and an entertainer. So you can say I am paying for the right to play this game and enjoy doing so.
Bottom line you simply hate the game and hate sony for what they did in the past which is long long gone. I have been playing this new version of SWG for what it is in the present and am enjoying it for what it is now. I am hoping the SWG has more items added to the crafter classes and was fairly well impressed and very very happy when I could make weapons that were on par with looted items. This is what is true about the game as well. All you see is black I see it all. What I have seen is that any revamps they have done have added to the proffs and made the crafting proffs more usefull then they have been for awhile. I am eagerly awaiting what structure traders will be getting with the guild/city revamp stuff as more has been promised there.
What I dont do is run around doing what you do which is nothing really only just a few trolling words. So yes you could say I have an interest in seeing the game improved upon and hope that this game lives one for awhile longer because I do have fun playing i despite its flaws. NOthing in this world is perfect and the minute you give in to the fact that you can't control every aspect of it is the minute you start to relax, let go and enjoy what exists in it as it is. I dont lament over what I Lost that's a total waste of energy and to be honest not very fun. I tend to be positive and upbeat because its a much more pleasant way to live then running around on forums spewing what amounts to a bunch of nonsense, hate and simple nastiness. some people enjoy being nasty to others and have fun watching that nastiness and revel in the fact that they make other people feel bad. I"m not one of those. So unlike you I"m not here to troll I came here to talk about I game I enjoy playing (still) after residcovering it almost a year back now and realizing it was no longer broken and unplayable.
I know this is hard to understand and that you somehow feel its evil, but its not really its simply a human being saying they have fun. So despite your silly comments its pretty obvious by the fact that I have 4 crafters that I in fact care about what happens to them. If the introduction of a butt ugly tiny barn and a diner that is so small you can't really use it as on is going to break crafting in SWG then I hate to say it crafting never had a chance. You may be surprised to hear that I sold a bunch of that diner furniture to people with no diners and they made their generic houses into rather cool looking diners (sandbox concept appears here to some extent) they took the furniture and their imaginations and made their own diner which to be honest was a lot nicer then the TCG one.
That's how people play the game of SWG in my neck of the woods and they have fun doing it
I see. So your idea on how to improve SWG is to have an electronic lottery that takes real money (on top of the monthly subscription fee) and screws over crafters. Got it. Sounds like a fantastic plan.
So as a passerby what's the big deal with the card game? Because they're no physical cards? Because you cant trade free cards? Or theres no odds of knowing when you'll get a rare card? So basically its run just like tetramaster which was part of FFXI?
I must be missing the illegal part. I'm catching the bitter SOE haters part though. Everyone knows SOE is probably one of the worst current MMO owners but this just seems like people who were "hurt" by them grasping at straws.
I see. So your idea on how to improve SWG is to have an electronic lottery that takes real money (on top of the monthly subscription fee) and screws over crafters. Got it. Sounds like a fantastic plan.
Well
#1 I see you manage to create fiction from what I say
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#2 there is no lottory in SWG
#3 continue to spew more bs and nonsense and lies about what people say
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#4 go back and read #1 , #2 & #3 again until you have taken the time to read what I said instead of change it into something else along the way.