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I predict a rapid exodus of players from WoW in early 2009
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Again, a mod or add-on IS a cheat. It is an unfair advantage over the game that if you just bought the game, it would not be included. It tells you when bosses will do moves, it tells you how long the move will last, and they tell you what to do to COUNTER the boss move. How is that not an unfair advantage over the mob? How do you not see that? You seem like you're the one not knowing what you are talking about.
Your whole "illegal/legal" point is not even relevant or whether Blizzard sanctions it or not. There are such things as "legal" cheats. Play consoles much? Or PC single players? Sure ya do.
If you and your uber guild claim you ripped up Naxx with mods and addons, the question isn't is Wow too easy. The question is.. "Why do you need help to beat Naxx if you're so good and he's such a joke"? You have not been able to answer that question at all, because the answer is.. Mwaji... you couldn't beat Naxx in two months without mods and addons. So you're not as uber as you think and Wow isn't as much of a joke as you think.
I used to play FFXI.. we didn't use mods or addons to fight bosses. If you were a dps, you had to control your hate or learn how to dump it fast. If you were a tank, there was no mod that showed how far behind the healer on hate generation you were. People learned how to play properly, without Vent, and anything else. When I played Wow (3 70s) I used the addons because they were fun.. Auctioneer and the other mods were new to me so I tried them and the game became easier. I didn't care because I wasn't the one running around saying Wow is kiddie food. It was still fun.
Why don't you remove the cheat mods from your rig, go load up Wow and try to kill Naxx, then come back and tell us how successful you were and how easy and boring Wow is. Honestly, I doubt you and your elite guild would even clear the trash leading up to it.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Blizzard can adjust to marketing needs whenever they like to. They always have a plan B when things get though, unlike so many other MMO companies. They dont go around telling faery tales like Funcom.
Truth hurts sometimes, but it sure will be worth it in the end.
------------------- here you are clueless.
Aion will touch the mainstream and there isnt more grinding in Aion then in WoW currently.
Again, a mod or add-on IS a cheat. It is an unfair advantage over the game that if you just bought the game, it would not be included. It tells you when bosses will do moves, it tells you how long the move will last, and they tell you what to do to COUNTER the boss move. How is that not an unfair advantage over the mob? How do you not see that? You seem like you're the one not knowing what you are talking about.
Your whole "illegal/legal" point is not even relevant or whether Blizzard sanctions it or not. There are such things as "legal" cheats. Play consoles much? Or PC single players? Sure ya do.
If you and your uber guild claim you ripped up Naxx with mods and addons, the question isn't is Wow too easy. The question is.. "Why do you need help to beat Naxx if you're so good and he's such a joke"? You have not been able to answer that question at all, because the answer is.. Mwaji... you couldn't beat Naxx in two months without mods and addons. So you're not as uber as you think and Wow isn't as much of a joke as you think.
I used to play FFXI.. we didn't use mods or addons to fight bosses. If you were a dps, you had to control your hate or learn how to dump it fast. If you were a tank, there was no mod that showed how far behind the healer on hate generation you were. People learned how to play properly, without Vent, and anything else. When I played Wow (3 70s) I used the addons because they were fun.. Auctioneer and the other mods were new to me so I tried them and the game became easier. I didn't care because I wasn't the one running around saying Wow is kiddie food. It was still fun.
Why don't you remove the cheat mods from your rig, go load up Wow and try to kill Naxx, then come back and tell us how successful you were and how easy and boring Wow is. Honestly, I doubt you and your elite guild would even clear the trash leading up to it.
This is a non issue, before WOTLK or BC people used the WOW interface addons it is just part of wow, some guilds demand you use them. Some of them are just handy. Not using them to intentionally cripple yourself is just stupid. Thats like playing Ultima Online without a Macro/Hotkey tool, its suicide, not using them when allowed is simply stupid.
You go ahead and run around dungeons with no addons, or whatnot, have at it not my problem, but if your not so good a player, you might wanna try them out. BTW I use just a few addons myself and never bothered with raid helpers, really I just use a button mod, a more stylish mini map, and some item inventory mods to see where the items are or average auction prices and whatnot. I still have no problem Raid healing or Dps my two jobs. So again inferior play not my problem.
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Ok Mwaji, you win.
--Even though you don't understand mods and addons are cheats that give you an advantage over developer content and without those aids, you can't beat the tough bosses, you win.
--Even though I've told you I had 3 70s in Wow, you still think I never played. You win.
--Even though there are plenty of people telling you over/over/over, showing you figures, comparing Wow to other games and Blizzard is announcing profits and new server openings, you STILL believe the game is going to crash this year. You win.
--Even though people respond to you usually with intelligent and polite responses, you quickly love to turn it into a "you don't know anything.. eat crap" insult fest. You win.
--Even though you play a game which is on the brink of Niche History this year (WAR), you continue to plow the Wow boards to get people to believe it will die, so they can run there and tryout the new cool Slayer and Choppa..wooo. (which won't be ready for another 3 months while you continue to pay for a completely borked endgame like a fool) You win.
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"TO MICHAEL!"
Yeah, that was that moron saying I claimed it was illegal, lol. Didn't say any such thing. There is such a thing as legal cheats, as any gamer knows. Mods imo, are legal cheats that enhance your abilities. They are like steroids in sports in a way. Sure, you can play without them, but you perform much better with them. But you know, it was weird when I left FFXI and went to Wow.
I had leveled a character and got into TBC content and had a first run at Ramparts. I had a Wartank that mostly soloed and never used any mods up until this point. I got into the group and we go in, I'm tanking the orcs and then some nutty pvp'ed up Shaman starts burning away, steals hate then dies. They scrape him up and again, same thing. Then he says "Hey man, you got Omen?" I said "Nope." He goes "Noob.. how can you tank without it?" I told him I had a 75 Ninja in FFXI and never used any mods there and he said "Well, this is Wow. This ain't candyland Asiangame". I laughed so hard, I could barely finish the run.
Wow was my first mmo using mods and while they were fun, I missed playing by feel. It became apparent I would have to use them because knuckleheaded dpsers were only looking at their mods, not gauging a feel for how to build up nuking. You'd see it when their mods went wonky,,, they simply couldn't play the game. When you went on Kara and such, they they'd do Omen/Deadlyboss/Decursive checks on people and if you didn't have it, you got kicked.
It was quite the culture shock to me. It was like playing with the "Force" your whole life, then having to rely on technological aids. Sorta felt like pulling a Luke Skywalker when ripped off his targeting tracker to shoot the missile down the exhaust chute of the Death Star. But meh.. I still had fun.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I had leveled a character and got into TBC content and had a first run at Ramparts. I had a Wartank that mostly soloed and never used any mods up until this point. I got into the group and we go in, I'm tanking the orcs and then some nutty pvp'ed up Shaman starts burning away, steals hate then dies. They scrape him up and again, same thing. Then he says "Hey man, you got Omen?" I said "Nope." He goes "Noob.. how can you tank without it?" I told him I had a 75 Ninja in FFXI and never used any mods there and he said "Well, this is Wow. This ain't candyland Asiangame". I laughed so hard, I could barely finish the run.
Wow was my first mmo using mods and while they were fun, I missed playing by feel. It became apparent I would have to use them because knuckleheaded dpsers were only looking at their mods, not gauging a feel for how to build up nuking. You'd see it when their mods went wonky,,, they simply couldn't play the game. When you went on Kara and such, they they'd do Omen/Deadlyboss/Decursive checks on people and if you didn't have it, you got kicked.
It was quite the culture shock to me. It was like playing with the "Force" your whole life, then having to rely on technological aids. Sorta felt like pulling a Luke Skywalker when ripped off his targeting tracker to shoot the missile down the exhaust chute of the Death Star. But meh.. I still had fun.
Heck, yeah....now that is what I am talking about. When I tank on my tank character, and someone steals agro, it is usually the same conversation. Real talent and challenge is knowing how to play without mods or help.....EQ anyone (back in the day).
WOW was the first MMo I ever played that required mods. Seriously, how hard is it to read a threat meter or for a flashing red light to tell you its time to run away. If you want a true challenge, don't use the mods. it is very simple. Don't research the fights....learn it for yourselves. A good example is if you go back pre-Internet and playing on the Nintendo and such, you had nothing!! Nothing. You want a challenge? Beat the original legend of Zelda without any maps or quest guide or anything.
People think that looking things up on the Internet and researching the fights and using mods makes the game more fun; I argue it makes it easier and it removes a lot of the challenge. Fight Baron with no mods or Onyxia with no mods and tell me WOW isn't a challenge.
I wouldn't mind Blizzard having ONE server, where mods were not allowed. I mean no mods at ALL. No auctioneer, no questhelper, and certainly nothing that required any type of dungeon help.
I truly wonder how many people would sign up. Then every new expansion same thing, no mods. Got a feeling then you'd definitely have some players on there, and a LOT less immature type yakking on the chat channels. I know I would resub if they did that. Would be a good experiment.
FFXI didn't need GMS to hold people's hands when it came to etiquette. Act like a jerk? No one would group with you once your name got muddy. Whine about loot? Good luck soloing. Don't know how to play? Thanks for coming by. It was like a quaker society as far as policing itself. Pretty sure on that type of server in Wow, you'd attract mostly mature people since no cheats would be allowed.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Playing WoW without mods would just mean an endless stream of Molten Core style bosses. Hmmm, no thanks.
Anyone thinking theres going to be a major exodus of players from WoW before 3.1 is dreaming. If 3.1 and Uldar doesn't succeed then you might see a slight drop off of players. But it wont be until after Arthas is released (alreayd stated by Blizzard he will be in the last content patch of WotLK) as a raid boss that a major drop off will occur. Since Warcraft 3 came out he has been the major character storywise and the focal point of the game. Once players move past him the game will decline. Probably late 2009/2010. How much and how quickly remains to be seen. WoW will be 5 in Nov 2009. Remember Everquest was 5 years old when WoW was released and a lot of people quit/moved to WoW or other mmorpg's.
Vanilla WoW went from 0.0 subscribers to 8 million in 2 years until BC was released. In a similar time period between BC and WotLK WoW increased to 11 million. Only a 38% increase. So far we've only seen minimal increase of around half a million since the release of WotLK.
Only the most loyal and delusional fanboi will think that the 3rd expansion in late 2010 will increase WoW's player base.
DPS classes don't really need any mods.
I'm not sure about tanking classes, but I have the feeling they could function just fine as well.
Healer classes need better raid frames, an issue that Blizzard representatives have already admitted that are working on. It's just not a big priority, because everyone that raids is assumed to use some sort of frame mods.
Utility wise, mouse click casting is also very handy.
Course who's to say that Blizzard doesn't have their other MMO much further along than we think. I wouldn't be surprised if they have have it planned to launch say 6-8 months after Arthas or even the 3rd expansion thats supposed to add the continent to the S with; is it the goblins, and add a new story!? Even so, when ever they do launch it, it will be good and sure it'll draw some players away from WoW but not all of them for a time.
It still takes most players in upwards of 1 yr to complete everything in each expansion. After 10yrs, look at how many 10's if not 100's of millions of people still play Starcraft and Diablo II and WoW is just barely over 4 yrs old.
...and as Blizzard has said many times, they're making something that won't compete with WoW and if they pull that off which I believe they will they'll have 2 AAAA MMOs for others to try and compete with...hehe
That's got to be the best analogy I've every heard. LOL
Good post, sounds very possible to me (And some decent logic, numbers and trends to back a prediction always help.)
I PREDICT THE END OF THE WORLD IN THE YEAR 2000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, isnt everyone tired of these BS threads that are 100% pointless, sur wow isnt the best mmo but who cares. The gorvernment doesnt force you to play it, there is a suffiencent pop in most decent mmos for them to be enjoyable.
So why dont you go back to your games and stop bothering everyone with retarded threads?
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
I think this is all rubbish. LOTRO is the most polished MMO ever released and the expansion was expansion of the year by at least one website. It's an awesome game and not one guild will be leaving it to play WAR.
WoW may be heading towards an demise (and I hope that it is) but to say that most main MMO guilds will be heading over to WAR is a joke. The RvR is the opposite play style that more than half of all players prefer so I can't see why this would occur at all.
In fact I don't know anyone even remotely interested in it. I would suggest however that LOTRO and Vanguard are still the two best MMO's around despite the bugginess of the latter.
Yeha the fact that war doesnt have a real good pve and that the rvr isnt as good as it should have been is turning many people away. This game deserves a place in the top 5 best games atm, but its certainly not better than eve or lotro.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
From the European perspective (dont know how things are in the U.S.) Blizzard just opened up a new realm:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7841664517&sid=1
Meanwhile the server I am on (AD) still has 30 minute queue during prime time.
Rapid exodus of players? I wish. It would be nice to see those queues going down, but unfortunatly I don't see it happening. Every year people claim WoW's demise and every year Blizzards adds new servers and those queues on my server grow longer.
And yet there are low population realms which would really benefit from an influx of players. answer me then why there ARE low population realms? The only reason Blizzard open new realms are is the whole AQ BS and to attract new players or those who want FIRST.
What is the obsession with FIRST, hmm? I'll tell you why, because that seems to be the only reason to play the game now, to get an achievement which no-one really cares about because it makes you seem like an attention whore who will be ridiculed.
6 months later on new realm....
[2. Trade] [Achievementjunkie] lol I am 1st on everything
[2. Trade][random noob1] ANAL [Dirge]
[2.Trade][random noob2] LFG Onyxia must have cloak!!11!
[2.Trade][random noob3] whats teh Q on AB leik?
[2.Trade][random noob4] [Dirge][Dirge][Dirge][Dirge][Dirge]
[2.Trade][random noob5] LFG HC UP
[random noob6] yells ALLIANCE IS FISHING IN VALLEY OF HONOR
[2.Trade][random noob 2] OMFG teh DK ganked me
[2.Trade][random noob 3] QQ moar and reroll PvP n00b
[2.Trade][random noob6] I remember when this realm was fun
and so on and so on
If there are new realms why havent we heard "Blizzard reaches 12 million!". They weren't far off before Christmas and only 2 weeks ago Lich King was toppled in sales by Sims 2 Deluxe. They are back on top now as I guess those who hadn't bought it, but had bought TBC were waiting for a reason to buy it.
blizzard should be brave enough to merge the lower pop realms and sort out the queues on the higher ones. At least now they do actually lock populations on high pop realms. If a realm is flagged Full it could become locked, which means it is impossible to create a new character.
Give free transfers from the lower pop realm, close them, clean them down and issue a new realm.
Wash, rinse, repeat...Blizzards blueprint for all their games. :<
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/MMORPG
How soon would you like Blizzard to announce "12 million"? Next month.. 3 months? They haven't announced it because they don't have 12 million yet. That should be simple enough to deduce, lol. Their pace is light years above any game. Tell you what... you seem to suggest that because they haven't said 12 mil, that they are in some kind of downslide. Name a game that can even announce a 20% increase in their subs since October? And don't dare say Warhammer lol. The fact you are throwing the Sims2 at Wow is funny, because they are duking it out with a single player PC game and holding their own. I don't see any other MMO duking it out with anything, hence Wow has nothing to fear. It's not supposed to beat out Sims, its supposed to beat out other MMOs, which is does without breaking a sweat. Heck, WAR couldn't beat out Nancy Drew as we all know... now that's funny.
Blizzard brave enough? "Brave"? What is this... grade school recess and kids daring each other to lick the frozen flagpole???
You should probably stop thinking irrationally (what does "brave" have anything to do with making money?) and start thinking like a businessperson. As Mark Jacobs from WAR said "Opening servers is a sign a game is healthy". Blizzard is opening servers.. NO other MMO is doing that right now, so what's that tell you? They don't have to be brave about anything lol. If their servers were a ghost town as you were trying to portray, there wouldn't be queues all over the place... the people would transfer off or leave the game.
Wow is the kind of game that it does not matter if its a Low/Low pop. How many people do you need to raid a dungeon??? 25? 40? This is not WAR, where the whole stupid concept is tons and tons and tons of people or the game doesn't work. As long as you can scrape together 25 other people, you can do just about anything on a Low/Low server and not miss a beat that they do on a High/High one. Low/Low makes little difference in Wow.
"Wash, rinse, repeat" works fine and has since Diablo days, and millions seem ok with it. Meanwhile, "new", "innovative", "untested" and " massively complicated" struggles to keep 200k people subbed up. All the wishing in the world you keep doing is not going to make Wow go under, nor will it bring up lesser MMO titles that are buggy, boring, uninspired clones in the rankings.
Wow will die when Blizzard is good and ready to kill it off.
"TO MICHAEL!"
yeah... i have experienced some of the decline already in myself and friends. Right before the expansion... things were getting so boring and once the expansion came out it was loads of new content but i see the excitement dieing pretty quickly. I'll probably here for another few major patches and then out... but i really am not sure.
i just want The Old Republic to hit asap...
How soon would you like Blizzard to announce "12 million"? Next month.. 3 months? They haven't announced it because they don't have 12 million yet. That should be simple enough to deduce, lol. Their pace is light years above any game. Tell you what... you seem to suggest that because they haven't said 12 mil, that they are in some kind of downslide. Name a game that can even announce a 20% increase in their subs since October? And don't dare say Warhammer lol. The fact you are throwing the Sims2 at Wow is funny, because they are duking it out with a single player PC game and holding their own. I don't see any other MMO duking it out with anything, hence Wow has nothing to fear. It's not supposed to beat out Sims, its supposed to beat out other MMOs, which is does without breaking a sweat. Heck, WAR couldn't beat out Nancy Drew as we all know... now that's funny.
Blizzard brave enough? "Brave"? What is this... grade school recess and kids daring each other to lick the frozen flagpole???
You should probably stop thinking irrationally (what does "brave" have anything to do with making money?) and start thinking like a businessperson. As Mark Jacobs from WAR said "Opening servers is a sign a game is healthy". Blizzard is opening servers.. NO other MMO is doing that right now, so what's that tell you? They don't have to be brave about anything lol. If their servers were a ghost town as you were trying to portray, there wouldn't be queues all over the place... the people would transfer off or leave the game.
Wow is the kind of game that it does not matter if its a Low/Low pop. How many people do you need to raid a dungeon??? 25? 40? This is not WAR, where the whole stupid concept is tons and tons and tons of people or the game doesn't work. As long as you can scrape together 25 other people, you can do just about anything on a Low/Low server and not miss a beat that they do on a High/High one. Low/Low makes little difference in Wow.
"Wash, rinse, repeat" works fine and has since Diablo days, and millions seem ok with it. Meanwhile, "new", "innovative", "untested" and " massively complicated" struggles to keep 200k people subbed up. All the wishing in the world you keep doing is not going to make Wow go under, nor will it bring up lesser MMO titles that are buggy, boring, uninspired clones in the rankings.
Wow will die when Blizzard is good and ready to kill it off.
The point was that Blizzard aren't opening new realms because of a sudden upsurge in new players hence no announcement of 12 million. They are doing it to keep the full realms getting too full and to please achievement junkies who want server firsts
By brave I mean doing something called innovation, siege vehicles and a so called "hero" class doesn't cut it for me. Yeah and destructible builings...snore...
I never suggested that their servers were a ghost town, some of them are, most of them are ghost towns in Azeroth and even parts of Outlands now.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/MMORPG
It's funny when the first person who posted on my guild forums saying "I'm bored with WoW atm, playing WAR so can't make it to raids for the next couple of weeks"
I thought he might get a talking to from the officers, might even get kicked (we got strict rules about attendance) etc but turns out they were playing it too. The responses were more like "oh you're playing it too? We should level up together etc." and now my whole guild is leaving WoW.
I'm sure we're not the only ones who are leaving WoW, it's just not the game it used to be, wotlk was a major disappointment.
Try Vanguard for some real depth of gameplay and an immense world. It's an easy transition but the extra features take some getting used to.
I finished WoW after 12 months and couldn't see the point of playing anymore, it amazes me (and I don't wish to offend anyone) that people who first started playing it on release like I did are still playing.