Most people who buy this game will be listening to actualy real player who are playing the real game when they read their first report, if those players are on a free trial then they won't even have paid anything.
That's all well and good, but the point is that two weeks before a game launches, most MMO's have already announced little details for players, like where and when to buy it, how much it will cost, monthly sub fees, minimum and recommended system specs, basic billing info, and all that.
I don't think it's unreasonable to have that kind of information out there for people so close to a purported launch, especially for NA players, since the game servers and everything else are in the EU.
I'm not saying that the devs have to spill every single detail about every single game mechanic in Darkfall, or that you have to know exactly what to expect when you first log into the game world. I'm talking about technical info that will help potential players as they make their decision of whether or not to buy the game. It's ludicrous that so close to a release, even the most basic purchasing and technical info is non-existent.
Originally posted by Lidane What's trustworthy is an open beta with a lifted NDA two weeks before a game is released. What's trustworthy is allowing real media scrutiny of a product rather than just what the devs want you to know.
Thats fine if what you get is representative of the overall experience when you buy the game, but as countless games have proved before it isn't. Look at the amount of people disappointed with games that did this and wishing that they had never spent their money on them. Most people who buy this game will be listening to an actual real player who is playing the real game when they read their first report, if those players are on a free trial then they won't even have paid anything.
Lol, it's there investment, Time, money. Do as they see fit. who said they were even going to let us play it, they could tell us all to piss of and go play something else.
Compare that to "open beta" which is free as long as you have already preorderd the game, makes no sense.
Pre-orders can be cancelled, with money refunded. Heck, you can even transfer the money to other games that are coming out. At least that's how the game store close to my house does it, so for me, pre-orders are no risk. That $5 will either be back in my pocket or going towards something I'd rather play instead.
Originally posted by Lidane That's all well and good, but the point is that two weeks before a game launches, most MMO's have already announced little details for players, like where and when to buy it, how much it will cost, monthly sub fees, minimum and recommended system specs, basic billing info, and all that. I don't think it's unreasonable to have that kind of information out there for people so close to a purported launch, especially for NA players, since the game servers and everything else are in the EU. I'm not saying that the devs have to spill every single detail about every single game mechanic in Darkfall, or that you have to know exactly what to expect when you first log into the game world. I'm talking about technical info that will help potential players as they make their decision of whether or not to buy the game. It's ludicrous that so close to a release, even the most basic purchasing and technical info is non-existent.
I only think that it would be unreasonable to not release this info once the game was available to purchase, until that time it doesn't bother me in the slightest as it's currently useless to me.
Any info about the game that is released in advance is going to presented in a fashion designed to seduce people into buying it, whether it's open beta, feature lists, video's or anything else. What I want is the product in the shop and real live game information. I'm only going to regard any advanced info with an extremely large pinch of salt anyway and it's not going to allow me to formulate opinion. I prefer the straight forward approach with less of the BS we normally see. I salute Aventurine for their approach.
I agree , Aventurine and their straight forward approach to this launch is a refreshing and reassuring change to the normal unethical prelaunch practices of the mainstream MMO industry.
Its so simple I just don't understand why the troll haters can't understand it, Darkfall will release on the 22nd without any prior unnecessary hyped up marketing announcements about open beta, client cost and availability, billing, system requirements, etc.
You either buy it and see if you like it or you don't, only after you buy Darkfall and you are not satisfied are you entitled to start whining, but only after you have paid money first.
Its just so simple and straight forward.
All the answers to your questions will come on the 22nd after you buy Darkfall, remember Aventurine are not like other MMO developers so forget what you think you know about successful MMO development and their launches.
Aventurine don't believe or have the time for pre launch customer or community support, that will hopefully all come after release when you have paid for Darkfall.
Remember Tasos said Darkfall is feature complete, has been fully tested, and is ready for release, and that's all the reassurance I need personally to make my purchase on the 22nd.
I agree , Aventurine and their straight forward approach to this launch is a refreshing and reassuring change to the normal unethical prelaunch practices of the mainstream MMO industry. Its so simple I just don't understand why the troll haters can't understand it, Darkfall will release on the 22nd without any prior unnecessary hyped up marketing announcements about open beta, client cost and availability, billing, system requirements, etc. You either buy it and see if you like it or you don't, only after you buy Darkfall and you are not satisfied are you entitled to start whining, but only after you have paid money first. Its just so simple and straight forward. All the answers to your questions will come on the 22nd after you buy Darkfall, remember Aventurine are not like other MMO developers so forget what you think you know about successful MMO development and their launches. Aventurine don't believe or have the time for pre launch customer or community support, that will hopefully all come after release when you have paid for Darkfall. Remember Tasos said Darkfall is feature complete, has been fully tested, and is ready for release, and that's all the reassurance I need personally to make my purchase on the 22nd.
So would you rather 500k people buy it due to BS they were told beforehand or 50k buy it based on no information, assuming the game is game crap in both cases? This is what is most likely is going to happen. At least most people are going to be spared if turns out to be magic beans. If it does turn out to be good then that makes Aventurine look like saints compared to some of their competitors, no BS and a good game WTF!!
It seems to me that some people are chomping at the bit to get scammed as no dev is going to present anything other than a perfect view of their game.
Oh I see, you want honest info from a dev, you are only going to get that in your dreams.
So would you rather 500k people buy it due to BS they were told beforehand or 50k buy it based on no information, assuming the game is game crap in both cases? This is what is most likely is going to happen. At least most people are going to be spared if turns out to be magic beans. If it does turn out to be good then that makes Aventurine look like saints compared to some of their competitors, no BS and a good game WTF!! It seems to me that some people are chomping at the bit to get scammed as no dev is going to present anything other than a perfect view of their game. Oh I see, you want honest info from a dev, you are only going to get that in your dreams.
I agree again.
We should definitely be more lenient on Aventurine considering that, as you say, if they are BS'ing and the game is crap then only 50,000 people will be scammed instead of 500,000.
Really when you think about, we should actually all be commending Aventurine for not marketing and not releasing any information before release, because that way, as you say, less people will be scammed if the game is crap and they are BS'ing.
I'm personally grateful that Aventurine are not marketing their game or releasing information before release, because they are helping to prevent as many people from being scammed as possible in the unlikely event that this game is crap and they are BS'ing.
How straight forward and refreshingly simple.
I really agree with your point about MMO developers only presenting anything but a perfect view of their game, but luckily Tasos has never attempted to do such a thing and has always and remains to be honest and forthcoming with his community about everything concerning Darkfall and its development.
Originally posted by Polarization I really agree with your point about MMO developers only presenting anything but a perfect view of their game, but luckily Tasos has never attempted to do such a thing and has always and remains to be honest and forthcoming with his community about everything concerning Darkfall and its development.
You are agreeing with yourself then as if you bothered to read their devs diaries you would see they do the exactly same on a smaller scale.
You would obviously rather be inundated with it.
Admit it, you just can't resist a ride on the hype train.
Considering your facts are um... a little off base, to say the least, I'd say "better than Age of Conan did" would be my answer. Money and advertisement doesn't equal a good game.
What I don't understand is, why does the first company in FIVE years to come along and try to make a game of some unique quality, and you rip it to pieces?
Yeah right.. think before you post.
Better than AoC did? Wait, as I recall.. AoC released.. didn't it? My memory could be off.. but I was in PvP weekend and open beta... so yeah, not only did they have those things in which quite a few of us actually participated in, they actually RELEASED!
Sure, they lied about a lot of the things that were supposed to be included at launch.. but they are light years ahead of Adventurine.. even in marketing. They actually released their product and talked to the public...
Originally posted by Polarization I really agree with your point about MMO developers only presenting anything but a perfect view of their game, but luckily Tasos has never attempted to do such a thing and has always and remains to be honest and forthcoming with his community about everything concerning Darkfall and its development.
You are agreeing with yourself then as if you bothered to read their devs diaries you would see they do the exactly same on a smaller scale.
That's a ringing endorsement and a vote of confidence coming from you.
Darkfall developers, "dishonest but on a smaller scale". (so its ok.)
You are agreeing with yourself then as if you bothered to read their devs diaries you would see they do the exactly same on a smaller scale. That's a ringing endorsement and a vote of confidence coming from you. Darkfall developers, "dishonest but on a smaller scale". (so its ok.) You would obviously rather be inundated with it. True, that precisely why im following Darkfall.
I am neither endorsing this game nor do I have confidence that it will be good. I will wait and see.
Neither do I think that it's ok to be dishonest on a smaller scale, but you will never see any company paint anything other than perfect picture of their product. Less marketing always means less BS, thats what marketing is. So the less the better imo.
What you are asking for is akin to inviting an oriental rug salesman around to your house to inspect your carpets.
Can I ask you an honest question, do you buy stuff from shopping tv channels due the overwhelming evidence of their superb products?
Neither do I think that it's ok to be dishonest on a smaller scale, but you will never see any company paint anything other than perfect picture of their product. Less marketing always means less BS, thats what marketing is. So the less the better imo.
No one is asking for more marketing. They're asking for basic information which should be available to the public two weeks before a game's launch.
When and where do you buy the game? How much does it cost? How much is a monthly sub, and are there different price models for subs depending on how long you pay for? Who is handling monthly billing? Are there going to be game cards in stores to pay for game time, or do people have to rely on credit cards? Will Pay Pal work for those players who don't want to give CC info to a company in another country? What taxes would be added for players outside of the EU, and are they already factored into the subscription price? What are the minimum and recommended system specs of the game client? How large is the download, and how much space does the install take on your computer?
NONE of those are marketing questions. They're basic information about the game. It is not unreasonable for a game company to be able to answer those questions for potential players less than two weeks before a game supposedly launches.
A lot of you idiots don't seem to realize that most people just want to know how the hell they are going to get their hands on this game...how does one go about pre-ordering this? Forget Marketing...how about some information about purchasing the damn game.
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Originally Posted by ____
How is it a scam?
I enjoyed Funcoms Early Access to Age of Conan. It allowed me to get the client and a few days gameplay before the rest got in. Was an excellent idea on their part.
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It wasn't their idea, its the same scam MMO companies have been pulling for a while. Forcing you to buy their game so that you get a leg up on everyone else, with special items, an invitation to the "open beta", a head start, and other such nonsense.
The only time you should pre order a game is when you're afraid there won't be a copy left on release day, anything else is just something the devs put in there to make you feel you NEED to pre order/buy the game before any real reviews come out about it.
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So, don't expect a preorder.
While I agree with that "staff member" as far as not buying pre-orders for games, unless that dude is Tasos then there's no way to say definitively that there won't be any pre-orders.
A lot of you idiots don't seem to realize that most people just want to know how the hell they are going to get their hands on this game...how does one go about pre-ordering this? Forget Marketing...how about some information about purchasing the damn game.
Quote taken from a staff member on official forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by ____
How is it a scam?
I enjoyed Funcoms Early Access to Age of Conan. It allowed me to get the client and a few days gameplay before the rest got in. Was an excellent idea on their part.
-------------(then staff members post)
It wasn't their idea, its the same scam MMO companies have been pulling for a while. Forcing you to buy their game so that you get a leg up on everyone else, with special items, an invitation to the "open beta", a head start, and other such nonsense.
The only time you should pre order a game is when you're afraid there won't be a copy left on release day, anything else is just something the devs put in there to make you feel you NEED to pre order/buy the game before any real reviews come out about it.
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So, don't expect a preorder.
And that right there is called Viral Marketting SPIN. They don't have a preorder because they don't have the means to allow massive logins or distribution yet. They make an excuse that justifies the problem and run with it.
Proof: Preorders allow MMO companies to estimate expected userload on day 1. Preorders allow some financial reimbursement before launch. Preorders allow the development company to test the waters with their game Producer. Gimmicks like items and early access are just incentive to get the quick hit of money. If DFO devs didn't want to use gimmicks to sucker players into buying the game, they could just release a preorder with ZERO frills. But they don't. It's obvious to me that this Staff member post was just spinning an unfavorable situation. The fact that you bit on it just shows how desparate you are for this game to release and do well.
A lot of you idiots don't seem to realize that most people just want to know how the hell they are going to get their hands on this game...how does one go about pre-ordering this? Forget Marketing...how about some information about purchasing the damn game.
Quote taken from a staff member on official forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by ____
How is it a scam?
I enjoyed Funcoms Early Access to Age of Conan. It allowed me to get the client and a few days gameplay before the rest got in. Was an excellent idea on their part.
-------------(then staff members post)
It wasn't their idea, its the same scam MMO companies have been pulling for a while. Forcing you to buy their game so that you get a leg up on everyone else, with special items, an invitation to the "open beta", a head start, and other such nonsense.
The only time you should pre order a game is when you're afraid there won't be a copy left on release day, anything else is just something the devs put in there to make you feel you NEED to pre order/buy the game before any real reviews come out about it.
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So, don't expect a preorder.
And that right there is called Viral Marketting SPIN. They don't have a preorder because they don't have the means to allow massive logins or distribution yet. They make an excuse that justifies the problem and run with it.
Proof: Preorders allow MMO companies to estimate expected userload on day 1. Preorders allow some financial reimbursement before launch. Preorders allow the development company to test the waters with their game Producer. Gimmicks like items and early access are just incentive to get the quick hit of money. If DFO devs didn't want to use gimmicks to sucker players into buying the game, they could just release a preorder with ZERO frills. But they don't. It's obvious to me that this Staff member post was just spinning an unfavorable situation. The fact that you bit on it just shows how desparate you are for this game to release and do well.
Ah but if they where not confident in there product at this point of time, or lacked further funding to complete the game, the only way out is to suck in pre-order money, to get as much cash on release as possible knowing full well alot of people are gonna be dissapointed (DnL for example did this).
No matter how they do it, you can see the good parts or the bad parts or both. And call it a marketing spin to save or earn cash.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
Considering your facts are um... a little off base, to say the least, I'd say "better than Age of Conan did" would be my answer. Money and advertisement doesn't equal a good game.
What I don't understand is, why does the first company in FIVE years to come along and try to make a game of some unique quality, and you rip it to pieces?
Age of Conan had an open beta. 'nuff said.
And it was also one of the buggiest, incomplete, worst betas of all time
But it had one.
As aI recall, it only included 1-20 in Tortage, which was very well done. Beyond 20? Not so well done.
And (someone correct me if I'm wrong) they never lifted the NDA on the stuff beyond Tortage.
I agree , Aventurine and their straight forward approach to this launch is a refreshing and reassuring change to the normal unethical prelaunch practices of the mainstream MMO industry. Its so simple I just don't understand why the troll haters can't understand it, Darkfall will release on the 22nd without any prior unnecessary hyped up marketing announcements about open beta, client cost and availability, billing, system requirements, etc. You either buy it and see if you like it or you don't, only after you buy Darkfall and you are not satisfied are you entitled to start whining, but only after you have paid money first. Its just so simple and straight forward. All the answers to your questions will come on the 22nd after you buy Darkfall, remember Aventurine are not like other MMO developers so forget what you think you know about successful MMO development and their launches. Aventurine don't believe or have the time for pre launch customer or community support, that will hopefully all come after release when you have paid for Darkfall. Remember Tasos said Darkfall is feature complete, has been fully tested, and is ready for release, and that's all the reassurance I need personally to make my purchase on the 22nd.
The website says the game will cost about $50 for the box, and $10 monthly
Where? None of the FAQ's or news releases on the official site say a damned thing about $50 for the box and $10 a month for the sub.
Again-- none of these are marketing questions. They're basic bits of information about the game, and the DF website does a piss poor job of answering anything.
Better than AoC did? Wait, as I recall.. AoC released.. didn't it? My memory could be off.. but I was in PvP weekend and open beta... so yeah, not only did they have those things in which quite a few of us actually participated in, they actually RELEASED!
Sure, they lied about a lot of the things that were supposed to be included at launch.. but they are light years ahead of Adventurine.. even in marketing. They actually released their product and talked to the public...
I'm confused Adventurine is bad because they haven't released their game before they... umm... said they were going to release their game?
i think my brain hurts.
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
Better than AoC did? Wait, as I recall.. AoC released.. didn't it? My memory could be off.. but I was in PvP weekend and open beta... so yeah, not only did they have those things in which quite a few of us actually participated in, they actually RELEASED!
Sure, they lied about a lot of the things that were supposed to be included at launch.. but they are light years ahead of Adventurine.. even in marketing. They actually released their product and talked to the public...
I'm confused Adventurine is bad because they haven't released their game before they... umm... said they were going to release their game?
i think my brain hurts.
To be fair, they didnt release their game when they said they would either. DARKFALL '08!
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That's all well and good, but the point is that two weeks before a game launches, most MMO's have already announced little details for players, like where and when to buy it, how much it will cost, monthly sub fees, minimum and recommended system specs, basic billing info, and all that.
I don't think it's unreasonable to have that kind of information out there for people so close to a purported launch, especially for NA players, since the game servers and everything else are in the EU.
I'm not saying that the devs have to spill every single detail about every single game mechanic in Darkfall, or that you have to know exactly what to expect when you first log into the game world. I'm talking about technical info that will help potential players as they make their decision of whether or not to buy the game. It's ludicrous that so close to a release, even the most basic purchasing and technical info is non-existent.
Thats fine if what you get is representative of the overall experience when you buy the game, but as countless games have proved before it isn't. Look at the amount of people disappointed with games that did this and wishing that they had never spent their money on them. Most people who buy this game will be listening to an actual real player who is playing the real game when they read their first report, if those players are on a free trial then they won't even have paid anything.
Lol, it's there investment, Time, money. Do as they see fit. who said they were even going to let us play it, they could tell us all to piss of and go play something else.
This I agree with. That would be very close to fraudulent if someone tried to pull that.
So basicaly what your saying is...
We need a vacume cleaner forum
But seriously, I havent followed the game TOO much.
It sounds good but honestly Ive heard this same thing from other games.
Most big game companies over promise and under deliver so I am sceptical.
Ive seen what small dev teams do to game (Vanguard) and how tough it is to get bug fixes and new content ina timely manner.
While Im not going to sit here and hate on all you darkfall fans I will be waitin g 2-3 months past launch to give it a try (if it actualy delivers).
Though if the game is what it promises only maybe STO will drag me away lol.
Pre-orders can be cancelled, with money refunded. Heck, you can even transfer the money to other games that are coming out. At least that's how the game store close to my house does it, so for me, pre-orders are no risk. That $5 will either be back in my pocket or going towards something I'd rather play instead.
I only think that it would be unreasonable to not release this info once the game was available to purchase, until that time it doesn't bother me in the slightest as it's currently useless to me.
Any info about the game that is released in advance is going to presented in a fashion designed to seduce people into buying it, whether it's open beta, feature lists, video's or anything else. What I want is the product in the shop and real live game information. I'm only going to regard any advanced info with an extremely large pinch of salt anyway and it's not going to allow me to formulate opinion. I prefer the straight forward approach with less of the BS we normally see. I salute Aventurine for their approach.
I agree , Aventurine and their straight forward approach to this launch is a refreshing and reassuring change to the normal unethical prelaunch practices of the mainstream MMO industry.
Its so simple I just don't understand why the troll haters can't understand it, Darkfall will release on the 22nd without any prior unnecessary hyped up marketing announcements about open beta, client cost and availability, billing, system requirements, etc.
You either buy it and see if you like it or you don't, only after you buy Darkfall and you are not satisfied are you entitled to start whining, but only after you have paid money first.
Its just so simple and straight forward.
All the answers to your questions will come on the 22nd after you buy Darkfall, remember Aventurine are not like other MMO developers so forget what you think you know about successful MMO development and their launches.
Aventurine don't believe or have the time for pre launch customer or community support, that will hopefully all come after release when you have paid for Darkfall.
Remember Tasos said Darkfall is feature complete, has been fully tested, and is ready for release, and that's all the reassurance I need personally to make my purchase on the 22nd.
So would you rather 500k people buy it due to BS they were told beforehand or 50k buy it based on no information, assuming the game is game crap in both cases? This is what is most likely is going to happen. At least most people are going to be spared if turns out to be magic beans. If it does turn out to be good then that makes Aventurine look like saints compared to some of their competitors, no BS and a good game WTF!!
It seems to me that some people are chomping at the bit to get scammed as no dev is going to present anything other than a perfect view of their game.
Oh I see, you want honest info from a dev, you are only going to get that in your dreams.
I agree again.
We should definitely be more lenient on Aventurine considering that, as you say, if they are BS'ing and the game is crap then only 50,000 people will be scammed instead of 500,000.
Really when you think about, we should actually all be commending Aventurine for not marketing and not releasing any information before release, because that way, as you say, less people will be scammed if the game is crap and they are BS'ing.
I'm personally grateful that Aventurine are not marketing their game or releasing information before release, because they are helping to prevent as many people from being scammed as possible in the unlikely event that this game is crap and they are BS'ing.
How straight forward and refreshingly simple.
I really agree with your point about MMO developers only presenting anything but a perfect view of their game, but luckily Tasos has never attempted to do such a thing and has always and remains to be honest and forthcoming with his community about everything concerning Darkfall and its development.
You are agreeing with yourself then as if you bothered to read their devs diaries you would see they do the exactly same on a smaller scale.
You would obviously rather be inundated with it.
Admit it, you just can't resist a ride on the hype train.
I think I'm falling in love with the new style troll
I love it... Please keep it up your adding much needed entertainment to the same old arguments.
The best thing is that the fanboys are forming a twitch over it lol.
-Almerel
Hello my old friend.
Yeah right.. think before you post.
Better than AoC did? Wait, as I recall.. AoC released.. didn't it? My memory could be off.. but I was in PvP weekend and open beta... so yeah, not only did they have those things in which quite a few of us actually participated in, they actually RELEASED!
Sure, they lied about a lot of the things that were supposed to be included at launch.. but they are light years ahead of Adventurine.. even in marketing. They actually released their product and talked to the public...
You are agreeing with yourself then as if you bothered to read their devs diaries you would see they do the exactly same on a smaller scale.
That's a ringing endorsement and a vote of confidence coming from you.
Darkfall developers, "dishonest but on a smaller scale". (so its ok.)
You would obviously rather be inundated with it.
True, that precisely why im following Darkfall.
I am neither endorsing this game nor do I have confidence that it will be good. I will wait and see.
Neither do I think that it's ok to be dishonest on a smaller scale, but you will never see any company paint anything other than perfect picture of their product. Less marketing always means less BS, thats what marketing is. So the less the better imo.
What you are asking for is akin to inviting an oriental rug salesman around to your house to inspect your carpets.
Can I ask you an honest question, do you buy stuff from shopping tv channels due the overwhelming evidence of their superb products?
I think the real question here is...
Will I be able to level my vacuum cleaning xp in this game?
No one is asking for more marketing. They're asking for basic information which should be available to the public two weeks before a game's launch.
When and where do you buy the game? How much does it cost? How much is a monthly sub, and are there different price models for subs depending on how long you pay for? Who is handling monthly billing? Are there going to be game cards in stores to pay for game time, or do people have to rely on credit cards? Will Pay Pal work for those players who don't want to give CC info to a company in another country? What taxes would be added for players outside of the EU, and are they already factored into the subscription price? What are the minimum and recommended system specs of the game client? How large is the download, and how much space does the install take on your computer?
NONE of those are marketing questions. They're basic information about the game. It is not unreasonable for a game company to be able to answer those questions for potential players less than two weeks before a game supposedly launches.
The website says the game will cost about $50 for the box, and $10 monthly
Quote taken from a staff member on official forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by ____
How is it a scam?
I enjoyed Funcoms Early Access to Age of Conan. It allowed me to get the client and a few days gameplay before the rest got in. Was an excellent idea on their part.
-------------(then staff members post)
It wasn't their idea, its the same scam MMO companies have been pulling for a while. Forcing you to buy their game so that you get a leg up on everyone else, with special items, an invitation to the "open beta", a head start, and other such nonsense.
The only time you should pre order a game is when you're afraid there won't be a copy left on release day, anything else is just something the devs put in there to make you feel you NEED to pre order/buy the game before any real reviews come out about it.
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So, don't expect a preorder.
While I agree with that "staff member" as far as not buying pre-orders for games, unless that dude is Tasos then there's no way to say definitively that there won't be any pre-orders.
Quote taken from a staff member on official forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by ____
How is it a scam?
I enjoyed Funcoms Early Access to Age of Conan. It allowed me to get the client and a few days gameplay before the rest got in. Was an excellent idea on their part.
-------------(then staff members post)
It wasn't their idea, its the same scam MMO companies have been pulling for a while. Forcing you to buy their game so that you get a leg up on everyone else, with special items, an invitation to the "open beta", a head start, and other such nonsense.
The only time you should pre order a game is when you're afraid there won't be a copy left on release day, anything else is just something the devs put in there to make you feel you NEED to pre order/buy the game before any real reviews come out about it.
____________
So, don't expect a preorder.
And that right there is called Viral Marketting SPIN. They don't have a preorder because they don't have the means to allow massive logins or distribution yet. They make an excuse that justifies the problem and run with it.
Proof: Preorders allow MMO companies to estimate expected userload on day 1. Preorders allow some financial reimbursement before launch. Preorders allow the development company to test the waters with their game Producer. Gimmicks like items and early access are just incentive to get the quick hit of money. If DFO devs didn't want to use gimmicks to sucker players into buying the game, they could just release a preorder with ZERO frills. But they don't. It's obvious to me that this Staff member post was just spinning an unfavorable situation. The fact that you bit on it just shows how desparate you are for this game to release and do well.
Quote taken from a staff member on official forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by ____
How is it a scam?
I enjoyed Funcoms Early Access to Age of Conan. It allowed me to get the client and a few days gameplay before the rest got in. Was an excellent idea on their part.
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It wasn't their idea, its the same scam MMO companies have been pulling for a while. Forcing you to buy their game so that you get a leg up on everyone else, with special items, an invitation to the "open beta", a head start, and other such nonsense.
The only time you should pre order a game is when you're afraid there won't be a copy left on release day, anything else is just something the devs put in there to make you feel you NEED to pre order/buy the game before any real reviews come out about it.
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So, don't expect a preorder.
And that right there is called Viral Marketting SPIN. They don't have a preorder because they don't have the means to allow massive logins or distribution yet. They make an excuse that justifies the problem and run with it.
Proof: Preorders allow MMO companies to estimate expected userload on day 1. Preorders allow some financial reimbursement before launch. Preorders allow the development company to test the waters with their game Producer. Gimmicks like items and early access are just incentive to get the quick hit of money. If DFO devs didn't want to use gimmicks to sucker players into buying the game, they could just release a preorder with ZERO frills. But they don't. It's obvious to me that this Staff member post was just spinning an unfavorable situation. The fact that you bit on it just shows how desparate you are for this game to release and do well.
Ah but if they where not confident in there product at this point of time, or lacked further funding to complete the game, the only way out is to suck in pre-order money, to get as much cash on release as possible knowing full well alot of people are gonna be dissapointed (DnL for example did this).
No matter how they do it, you can see the good parts or the bad parts or both. And call it a marketing spin to save or earn cash.
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Age of Conan had an open beta. 'nuff said.
And it was also one of the buggiest, incomplete, worst betas of all time
But it had one.
As aI recall, it only included 1-20 in Tortage, which was very well done. Beyond 20? Not so well done.
And (someone correct me if I'm wrong) they never lifted the NDA on the stuff beyond Tortage.
Ha, well done.
Where? None of the FAQ's or news releases on the official site say a damned thing about $50 for the box and $10 a month for the sub.
Again-- none of these are marketing questions. They're basic bits of information about the game, and the DF website does a piss poor job of answering anything.
I'm
confused
Adventurine is bad because they haven't released their game before they... umm... said they were going to release their game?
i think my brain hurts.
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
ya. ok. whatever.
but what do i know, i'm only a vanbois i'm told.
I'm
confused
Adventurine is bad because they haven't released their game before they... umm... said they were going to release their game?
i think my brain hurts.
To be fair, they didnt release their game when they said they would either. DARKFALL '08!