Honestly, Being a pre-cu weaponsmith from Bloodfin, I am surprised at how SOE not only trashed the crafting system and economy, but have failed to do anything to help crafters in the NGE. The CU was annoying, but really the game was still very similar, sure i couldn't own rebel soldiers on Naboo with ease anymore, but they ARE soldiers, and i WAS a measly weaponsmith.
The NGE came...and pow. even a lvl 90 crafter was useless. So sure, you may have a ton of fun running around force lightning/gripping anything you see, but is that really why you played SWG in the first place? Think about that.
Crafters have received NOTHING since NGE? News to me.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
That's the issue though, the pre-CU fanbois have no intention of 'discussing' the current game. All that kind is interested in is validating their hatred toward the NGE and it's players. Their inabability to move on prevents them from having any sort of discussion, and hence the reason why they need some many alts to post their vitriol here.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
That's the issue though, the pre-CU fanbois have no intention of 'discussing' the current game. All that kind is interested in is validating their hatred toward the NGE and it's players. Their inabability to move on prevents them from having any sort of discussion, and hence the reason why they need some many alts to post their vitriol here.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place.
"lore" Yep, being a huge Star Wars fan you should be really happy that there are dozens of Jedi, right out in the open.... in a timeframe when there were NONE
Quote for truth.
Being a Star Wars fan doesn't mean you automatically like anything with the Star Wars name. You're the kind of people that greedy advertisers love.
SWG sucks the way it is now. They took an original, unique game style and formed it to be just like every other MMO out there.
That's the issue though, the pre-CU fanbois have no intention of 'discussing' the current game. All that kind is interested in is validating their hatred toward the NGE and it's players. Their inabability to move on prevents them from having any sort of discussion, and hence the reason why they need some many alts to post their vitriol here.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
Maybe, maybe not but until mmorpg.com changes the purpose of this forum all opinions are legitimate. If you want to read only positive spin on the game the official swg forums are full of it.
I'm glad that I was able to reach someone from my target audience.
EDIT: Pertaining to the population issues, yes it's a drag that they need to make them, but it's going to strenghten the already semi-strong servers. And it shows that the Dev's actually have the balls to make that move, and care about the population currently subscribed.
I recently resubbed after a 3 year break and am enjoying it quite a bit too. Server transfers are coming up in a day or so and should really help the game thrive again. These forums are notorious for having trolls invade every thread and try to bash it or make the game look like crap because they are still discruntled... just ignore em and have fun!
That's the issue though, the pre-CU fanbois have no intention of 'discussing' the current game. All that kind is interested in is validating their hatred toward the NGE and it's players. Their inabability to move on prevents them from having any sort of discussion, and hence the reason why they need some many alts to post their vitriol here.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
Like what?
Combat - Bad
Economy - Bad
Gameplay - Bugged
Servers - Empty (hence major server merges coming)
That's the issue though, the pre-CU fanbois have no intention of 'discussing' the current game. All that kind is interested in is validating their hatred toward the NGE and it's players. Their inabability to move on prevents them from having any sort of discussion, and hence the reason why they need some many alts to post their vitriol here.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
Like what?
Combat - Bad
Economy - Bad
Gameplay - Bugged
Servers - Empty (hence major server merges coming)
Yes SWG is soo much FUN !!! ... oh wait that was about 6 years ago..
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
....but i'm going to track and wait for the server transfers to happen before i jump on board... see why i know that has All Access and if/where they are playing
I wouldn't let that stop you, just hop onto one of these servers and see what you think:
High Population West Coast USA Server
Ahazi
Bria
Flurry
Sunrunner
High Population East Coast USA
Bloodfin
Chilastra
Eclipse
Gorath
Radiant
Shadowfire
Starsider
High Population Europe Server
Europe-Chimaera
Europe-FarStar
I'll keep that in mind, but i am becoming aware of just HOW many people i know from other games that played SWG and like to come back to dabble at it from time to time. hehe
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
Yes SWG is soo much FUN !!! ... oh wait that was about 6 years ago..
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
Were you playing during those 6 months that you paid for? Even if your answer is no, you still paid to keep an active subscription which you could have canceled at any time. In no way is this stealing.
Yes, they spent their money on development, perfectly legitimate, Blizzard is currently making another MMO, and that is quite top secret, is that illegal?
They overhauled the content even though many players disagree with it, it happened, and you can't do anything about it.
It's really as simple as SOE makes it out to be, either accept it or leave. Sure, those who payed for lifetime subscription got the shaft, and SOE owed nothing to them except for access until their service for this game expires, and they still do provide that. It is unethical to treat a customer like that, and it is disrespectful not to disclose such information, but no MMO company will EVER refund you money for a subscription you have already payed for, they might give you a few free days if you actually can't access their service due to problems on their end, but never a refund.
All they were doing was trying to make this game more compelling to a broader audience, the fact that it alienated some of the current subscribers was something I'm sure they had researched.
Sleezy tactics? Maybe, but it's still a decent game. and I enjoy it, and encourage others to give it a try.
Yes SWG is soo much FUN !!! ... oh wait that was about 6 years ago..
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
Were you playing during those 6 months that you paid for? Even if your answer is no, you still paid to keep an active subscription which you could have canceled at any time. In no way is this stealing.
Yes, they spent their money on development, perfectly legitimate, Blizzard is currently making another MMO, and that is quite top secret, is that illegal?
They overhauled the content even though many players disagree with it, it happened, and you can't do anything about it.
It's really as simple as SOE makes it out to be, either accept it or leave. Sure, those who payed for lifetime subscription got the shaft, and SOE owed nothing to them except for access until their service for this game expires, and they still do provide that. It is unethical to treat a customer like that, and it is disrespectful not to disclose such information, but no MMO company will EVER refund you money for a subscription you have already payed for, they might give you a few free days if you actually can't access their service due to problems on their end, but never a refund.
All they were doing was trying to make this game more compelling to a broader audience, the fact that it alienated some of the current subscribers was something I'm sure they had researched.
Sleezy tactics? Maybe, but it's still a decent game. and I enjoy it, and encourage others to give it a try.
Actually SOE was required to refund those who pre-paid for the Trials of ObiWan expansion due to the gameplay changes. They had fraud inquiries from several secretarys of state.
You state "disrespectful"...The proper word is unethical.
Yes SWG is soo much FUN !!! ... oh wait that was about 6 years ago..
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
The point is he's having fun. That's all he's saying. And who are you to tell him you doubt he's really having fun? Its his opinion, he cannot be wrong.
Yes SWG is soo much FUN !!! ... oh wait that was about 6 years ago..
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
Were you playing during those 6 months that you paid for? Even if your answer is no, you still paid to keep an active subscription which you could have canceled at any time. In no way is this stealing.
Yes, they spent their money on development, perfectly legitimate, Blizzard is currently making another MMO, and that is quite top secret, is that illegal?
They overhauled the content even though many players disagree with it, it happened, and you can't do anything about it.
It's really as simple as SOE makes it out to be, either accept it or leave. Sure, those who payed for lifetime subscription got the shaft, and SOE owed nothing to them except for access until their service for this game expires, and they still do provide that. It is unethical to treat a customer like that, and it is disrespectful not to disclose such information, but no MMO company will EVER refund you money for a subscription you have already payed for, they might give you a few free days if you actually can't access their service due to problems on their end, but never a refund.
All they were doing was trying to make this game more compelling to a broader audience, the fact that it alienated some of the current subscribers was something I'm sure they had researched.
Sleezy tactics? Maybe, but it's still a decent game. and I enjoy it, and encourage others to give it a try.
wow even Obraik the world's largest fanboi wouldnt try and argue that SOE didnt steal our money.
The NGE started development around the time of the CU launch. During those 6 months SOE was supposed to be using our subscription money to fix the mess the CU caused. They were suposed to be using our money to put back in the Force Ranking System (FRS). They wer supposed to spend our money re-fixing the quests the CU broke. They were supposed to use our money to fix the pearl drop rates that were hosed.
Instead they took that money and made a new game they knew for a fact the current players would utterly despise.
That is clearly STEALING.
My money didnt go to fix the CU mess. My money was taken and I was lied to about the impending FRS system coming. SOE never had any intention of fixing the CU or giving back the FRS they took out. They knew this and lied to us to keep us playing until the NGE would further destroy our 2.5 yrs of effort.
I guarantee you today SOE isnt using the 10k remaining players money for SWG. They have what 4 people left working on SWG ? Even if you paid those college dropout coders 100k each a yr it still leaves millions in profits SOE is funneling to DC Comic MMO. SWG is nothing more than a training ground for new devs who are then moved over to DC MMO which is having part of its development paid for by the foolish/naive SWG players.
It takes SOE 6+ Months to add some silly dungeon and you all cant fathom why ??? Do you really think it cost 900,000 dollars to develop Hoth (6 months x 150k a month revenue) ?
And whats really sad is the very same players will probably buy DC Comic MMO despite the fact that they already paid for its development with their SWG subscription.
Continue to pay a company that steals from you and you wont get them to change their behavior
Were you playing during those 6 months that you paid for? Even if your answer is no, you still paid to keep an active subscription which you could have canceled at any time. In no way is this stealing.
His situation could have been like mine. I had paid for a six-month subscription on *four* accounts about a week before they announced the NGE. It's not like SOE was offering refunds on prepaid accounts.
I am not even going to bother quoting the page length worth of previous quotes just to get to your complaint about how SOE utilized the money they made off of SWG. It is unworthy of taking the time to delete the other posts.
Myself, and others like me played EQ for more years than you played SWG....which entails the sub fee/expansions/etc....only to see them use part of that money to make EQ2 or other various projects. Rather than re-investing into EQ which could of helped to keep it top notch even in todays market.
Guess what? It is their money once ya hand it over...they can do as they wish.
You paid your 15 a month to play your game...just like anyone else does for the various MMOs available. It was your choice to continue, and you did....along with 100Kish other Vets that held between 200k to 250K worth of subscriptions. No one put a gun to your head to make you pay.
You did so of your own volition.
They didnt go through with what they said they were gonna? Boo friggen Hoo. This is a topic for the Vets Forum. YOu think you got anything on folks that enjoyed things like Tabula Rasa...that is what I call getting taken to the cleaners.
It sucks you got a raw deal by having the SWG game mechanics replaced....but that is the way it goes. Your game wasnt cancelled...nor was it unavailable to play. Ask the Eve players that were dealing with the cover-up from emplyees getting free Blue Print Originals in that game....or any other company that hasnt done everything on the up and up. I dont think there is a company out there that doesnt have some blemish on their track record...although I must admit SOE has a way of getting under more folks skins than probably anyone else...barring EA that is.
AFAIAC you dont go by what they say...rather you base your continuing playing based on what they do. If you are happy....then give a company your money. If not then dont.
Whatever ya do....spare us from the whining when you have a forum dedicated to that very subject.
The so called "adults" that call themselves Vets complain more than my teenage daughters. Whats worse is it doesnt stop in a day/week/month....instead it is being measured in years.
So if you insist on doing so, why dont ya follow the rules of this site, that you are posting on, and put those posts where they belong.
Thx.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
sure! yup~~~ swg is a great game. many yrs sees its improvement. enerytime i play it, i get a feeling of nostalgia. and years of waiting is worthy. haha
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Yeah it's way more ethical to pretend to be a player while collecting money from SOE for viral marketing work...
Yep, everyone who claims to play and enjoy the game is just faking it because they're on the SOE payroll.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Yeah it's way more ethical to pretend to be a player while collecting money from SOE for viral marketing work...
Yep, everyone who claims to play and enjoy the game is just faking it because they're on the SOE payroll.
Nope, just the ones that lie.
Unfortunately, when you consider someone with a different opinion than yours or a perception that differs from your preconceived worldview a liar, then everyone's a liar in your book.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
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Crafters have received NOTHING since NGE? News to me.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
"lore" Yep, being a huge Star Wars fan you should be really happy that there are dozens of Jedi, right out in the open.... in a timeframe when there were NONE
Quote for truth.
Being a Star Wars fan doesn't mean you automatically like anything with the Star Wars name. You're the kind of people that greedy advertisers love.
SWG sucks the way it is now. They took an original, unique game style and formed it to be just like every other MMO out there.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
Maybe, maybe not but until mmorpg.com changes the purpose of this forum all opinions are legitimate. If you want to read only positive spin on the game the official swg forums are full of it.
Low post count - Check
Returning player - Check
Attacking "Trolls" - Check
Yep. Payroll baby.
Tecmo Bowl.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
Like what?
Combat - Bad
Economy - Bad
Gameplay - Bugged
Servers - Empty (hence major server merges coming)
Expansions - Nope
Development Team - Small
So what were you saying again?
Tecmo Bowl.
The current game *is* the NGE, though. The description of this forum doesn't say it's for positive comments only.
Nobody's asking for sunshine to be blown up their ass, but a significant portion of the criticisms of the current game (certainly not all or most, but a noticeable percentage) have little to no basis in reality.
Like what?
Combat - Bad
Economy - Bad
Gameplay - Bugged
Servers - Empty (hence major server merges coming)
Expansions - Nope
Development Team - Small
So what were you saying again?
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
2009 plans? Almost none:
forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/preList.m
They'd get too much bad press if they added sunsetting or shut down of SWG to the list.
ROFL... They locked the thread... Probably didn't want to leave it alive long enough for people to realize that the producer said pretty much nothing.
Threadriots will start soon as this sinks in.
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
I wouldn't let that stop you, just hop onto one of these servers and see what you think:
High Population West Coast USA Server
Ahazi
Bria
Flurry
Sunrunner
High Population East Coast USA
Bloodfin
Chilastra
Eclipse
Gorath
Radiant
Shadowfire
Starsider
High Population Europe Server
Europe-Chimaera
Europe-FarStar
I'll keep that in mind, but i am becoming aware of just HOW many people i know from other games that played SWG and like to come back to dabble at it from time to time. hehe
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
ya. ok. whatever.
but what do i know, i'm only a vanbois i'm told.
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
Were you playing during those 6 months that you paid for? Even if your answer is no, you still paid to keep an active subscription which you could have canceled at any time. In no way is this stealing.
Yes, they spent their money on development, perfectly legitimate, Blizzard is currently making another MMO, and that is quite top secret, is that illegal?
They overhauled the content even though many players disagree with it, it happened, and you can't do anything about it.
It's really as simple as SOE makes it out to be, either accept it or leave. Sure, those who payed for lifetime subscription got the shaft, and SOE owed nothing to them except for access until their service for this game expires, and they still do provide that. It is unethical to treat a customer like that, and it is disrespectful not to disclose such information, but no MMO company will EVER refund you money for a subscription you have already payed for, they might give you a few free days if you actually can't access their service due to problems on their end, but never a refund.
All they were doing was trying to make this game more compelling to a broader audience, the fact that it alienated some of the current subscribers was something I'm sure they had researched.
Sleezy tactics? Maybe, but it's still a decent game. and I enjoy it, and encourage others to give it a try.
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
Were you playing during those 6 months that you paid for? Even if your answer is no, you still paid to keep an active subscription which you could have canceled at any time. In no way is this stealing.
Yes, they spent their money on development, perfectly legitimate, Blizzard is currently making another MMO, and that is quite top secret, is that illegal?
They overhauled the content even though many players disagree with it, it happened, and you can't do anything about it.
It's really as simple as SOE makes it out to be, either accept it or leave. Sure, those who payed for lifetime subscription got the shaft, and SOE owed nothing to them except for access until their service for this game expires, and they still do provide that. It is unethical to treat a customer like that, and it is disrespectful not to disclose such information, but no MMO company will EVER refund you money for a subscription you have already payed for, they might give you a few free days if you actually can't access their service due to problems on their end, but never a refund.
All they were doing was trying to make this game more compelling to a broader audience, the fact that it alienated some of the current subscribers was something I'm sure they had researched.
Sleezy tactics? Maybe, but it's still a decent game. and I enjoy it, and encourage others to give it a try.
Actually SOE was required to refund those who pre-paid for the Trials of ObiWan expansion due to the gameplay changes. They had fraud inquiries from several secretarys of state.
You state "disrespectful"...The proper word is unethical.
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"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
The point is he's having fun. That's all he's saying. And who are you to tell him you doubt he's really having fun? Its his opinion, he cannot be wrong.
Well in all honesty, you must not be that big of a Star Wars fan, in which case this game wasn't really meant for you in the first place. It's about community, lore, and gameplay, and currently SWG has a balance of all three, and makes it work for them at this point in time, as it did in a different way ~6 years ago.
Oh soo throwing your money away on a bad game/movie is how you are considered a fan ? nice.We should pay and support every crap release ,soo we can get more crap releases in the future !!!
If you are having fun,fine,but trying to justify your "fun" is realy sad ... and I doubt it's fun.
First off, there is a 14-day free trial, even if you are planning to subscribe, it is a free 14 days of gameplay.
I'm not justifying my fun, I'm simply explaining my opinion, and sharing it with all those interesting in trying it, but are discouraged by the likes of you. You "doubt it's fun", so I'm guessing you haven't even tried it? Also, you should really brush up on your grammar skills, similarly your ability to pick the correct phrases and/or terms for what you want to express.
it doesnt matter if its "fun" now. Its unethical to play this game.
SOE took at least 6 months worth of player subscriptions and used it to develop an entirely new game in secret. Thats called stealing.
SOE developed and sold an expansion knowing that two weeks later the NGE would hit. They knew most players would quit so they launched the expansion while denying the rumors and starter kits appearing on game sites.
SOE refused to refund players who bought long-term subscriptions regardless of the fact that SWG no longer resembled the game they paid for.
SOE went on national television several times and made fun of the current / soon to be former player base and told us to accept the NGE or leave.
Shame on anyone playing this game. SOE is the most immoral / unethical MMO corp around and deserves to fail for their sleazy tactics.
Were you playing during those 6 months that you paid for? Even if your answer is no, you still paid to keep an active subscription which you could have canceled at any time. In no way is this stealing.
Yes, they spent their money on development, perfectly legitimate, Blizzard is currently making another MMO, and that is quite top secret, is that illegal?
They overhauled the content even though many players disagree with it, it happened, and you can't do anything about it.
It's really as simple as SOE makes it out to be, either accept it or leave. Sure, those who payed for lifetime subscription got the shaft, and SOE owed nothing to them except for access until their service for this game expires, and they still do provide that. It is unethical to treat a customer like that, and it is disrespectful not to disclose such information, but no MMO company will EVER refund you money for a subscription you have already payed for, they might give you a few free days if you actually can't access their service due to problems on their end, but never a refund.
All they were doing was trying to make this game more compelling to a broader audience, the fact that it alienated some of the current subscribers was something I'm sure they had researched.
Sleezy tactics? Maybe, but it's still a decent game. and I enjoy it, and encourage others to give it a try.
wow even Obraik the world's largest fanboi wouldnt try and argue that SOE didnt steal our money.
The NGE started development around the time of the CU launch. During those 6 months SOE was supposed to be using our subscription money to fix the mess the CU caused. They were suposed to be using our money to put back in the Force Ranking System (FRS). They wer supposed to spend our money re-fixing the quests the CU broke. They were supposed to use our money to fix the pearl drop rates that were hosed.
Instead they took that money and made a new game they knew for a fact the current players would utterly despise.
That is clearly STEALING.
My money didnt go to fix the CU mess. My money was taken and I was lied to about the impending FRS system coming. SOE never had any intention of fixing the CU or giving back the FRS they took out. They knew this and lied to us to keep us playing until the NGE would further destroy our 2.5 yrs of effort.
I guarantee you today SOE isnt using the 10k remaining players money for SWG. They have what 4 people left working on SWG ? Even if you paid those college dropout coders 100k each a yr it still leaves millions in profits SOE is funneling to DC Comic MMO. SWG is nothing more than a training ground for new devs who are then moved over to DC MMO which is having part of its development paid for by the foolish/naive SWG players.
It takes SOE 6+ Months to add some silly dungeon and you all cant fathom why ??? Do you really think it cost 900,000 dollars to develop Hoth (6 months x 150k a month revenue) ?
And whats really sad is the very same players will probably buy DC Comic MMO despite the fact that they already paid for its development with their SWG subscription.
Continue to pay a company that steals from you and you wont get them to change their behavior
His situation could have been like mine. I had paid for a six-month subscription on *four* accounts about a week before they announced the NGE. It's not like SOE was offering refunds on prepaid accounts.
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I am not even going to bother quoting the page length worth of previous quotes just to get to your complaint about how SOE utilized the money they made off of SWG. It is unworthy of taking the time to delete the other posts.
Myself, and others like me played EQ for more years than you played SWG....which entails the sub fee/expansions/etc....only to see them use part of that money to make EQ2 or other various projects. Rather than re-investing into EQ which could of helped to keep it top notch even in todays market.
Guess what? It is their money once ya hand it over...they can do as they wish.
You paid your 15 a month to play your game...just like anyone else does for the various MMOs available. It was your choice to continue, and you did....along with 100Kish other Vets that held between 200k to 250K worth of subscriptions. No one put a gun to your head to make you pay.
You did so of your own volition.
They didnt go through with what they said they were gonna? Boo friggen Hoo. This is a topic for the Vets Forum. YOu think you got anything on folks that enjoyed things like Tabula Rasa...that is what I call getting taken to the cleaners.
It sucks you got a raw deal by having the SWG game mechanics replaced....but that is the way it goes. Your game wasnt cancelled...nor was it unavailable to play. Ask the Eve players that were dealing with the cover-up from emplyees getting free Blue Print Originals in that game....or any other company that hasnt done everything on the up and up. I dont think there is a company out there that doesnt have some blemish on their track record...although I must admit SOE has a way of getting under more folks skins than probably anyone else...barring EA that is.
AFAIAC you dont go by what they say...rather you base your continuing playing based on what they do. If you are happy....then give a company your money. If not then dont.
Whatever ya do....spare us from the whining when you have a forum dedicated to that very subject.
The so called "adults" that call themselves Vets complain more than my teenage daughters. Whats worse is it doesnt stop in a day/week/month....instead it is being measured in years.
So if you insist on doing so, why dont ya follow the rules of this site, that you are posting on, and put those posts where they belong.
Thx.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
sure! yup~~~ swg is a great game. many yrs sees its improvement. enerytime i play it, i get a feeling of nostalgia. and years of waiting is worthy. haha
"Its unethical to play this game."
HAHAHAHAHAHA
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Yeah it's way more ethical to pretend to be a player while collecting money from SOE for viral marketing work...
Yep, everyone who claims to play and enjoy the game is just faking it because they're on the SOE payroll.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Yeah it's way more ethical to pretend to be a player while collecting money from SOE for viral marketing work...
Yep, everyone who claims to play and enjoy the game is just faking it because they're on the SOE payroll.
Nope, just the ones that lie.
Unfortunately, when you consider someone with a different opinion than yours or a perception that differs from your preconceived worldview a liar, then everyone's a liar in your book.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I'll be interested to know if the OP enjoy's it still, after a few days.
I enjoyed my 5 year vet trial, for 3 days... then I was done everything and it was back to square one, not much to do.