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Why I hate WoW, love WoW and thank Blizzard.
gemore
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World of Warcraft has recently reach 11.5 million players at last count. 11.5 million people can't be wrong - right?
As it stands, WoW has gotten so big that there are more than a few topics that surrond it. Addiction, reality, money or just MMO's in general, there is always something for people to discuss about WoW.
And i hate it. And i love it. and above all else I am thankful for it.
Why I hate it:
Probably the best way to say this is I don't hate the game as I do what it represents. Having played more then my share of MMO's, from EVE to Galaxies (Pre-CU) to CoH and of course WoW, I would like to think i know at least some parts of what consitutes a "good MMO". For me, and im aware it is diffrent for diffrent people, a good MMO has variety. A grind that isn't insanely boring or noticable. More things to do then just combat, which relates to variety. Goood content, not just good end-game content. Escipecially for the casual players, having good all-around content is important.
My favourite feature in an MMo is the chance to be unique. To customise your character so that YOUR character is almost completely unique. CoH had the best avatar customisation I know. Galaxies gave you the chance to define your character as almost a PERSON whose skill sets were probably onl;y the same with a few others.
And this is why i believe WoW is a bad game. Probably a better way to say it is I think it is an average game that is seen by some to be better then it actually is. So in a way, it a part of (not all) WoW's player base.
Having spoken to WoW players that I know in real life or from other forums, some are of the opinion that WoW is the greatest MMO of all time. My complaint is that of those who have told me this, none of them had played another MMO for more than an hour.
Why I love it/ Why I am thankful for it:
Although i no longer play WoW,Blizzard has my gratitude for creating the game. Not because it is great, but for what it has done for the MMO community. Using my school as an example, before WoW, few people even knew what an MMO was - even amongst gamers. Now everyone has heard of it and most haev at one point tried or played it.
When WoW's throne finnaly crumbles, you will have 11.5 + million people who will hopefully be ready for something new, and allow the MMO community to flourish even more then it has. That is of course unless something overthrows the WoW throne and somehow gets a player base of (relatively) the same size.
I think that is unliekly though. I think that while currently many MMo's fail by no major fault of the developers as much as people may say, but rather because players are still migrating to WoW. But once WoW falls down I am hopeful that the MMO community as a whole will be far better off.
All of this is of course my opinion and based on my experience, so please no-one take offence.
Comments
If you claim that WoW is a bad game simply because it's not a sandbox game, you're really missing the point what makes WoW such a great game.
I think i didnt quite make that clear.
I don't think a game has to be sandbox to be good. I think a game needs chance for people to really be unique, whether in powers or looks.
As far as i can tell a rogue will be little to no diffrent to another rogue. yes - there are talents and equipment. But the top tier equipment for one rogue is the same for a diffrent rogue. There are only 3 talent lines - sure endless combinations, but they reach a point where the diffrences is relativly minute.
As for actual character looks, there wasnt exaclty a huge choice in faces/hair etc. Any for many characters it ended up not matter because you end up with a helm of some sort.
This isn't the only reason i feel it is an average MMO. The grahpics are another - although they did improve. The combat system had its tiny innovations, but it wasn't particulalrly unique either, in the end it was similar to several other MMO's i could name. Most other MMo's actually.
The crafting system was another thing i felt was lax. Sure, lots of money to be made, but in the end the equipment you could make would never be as good as the best you could get through actually fighting. Im aware it is a combat MMO, but i still felt the crafting system could of been more then gather recipie and resources then click a button.
For me, the sum of all the parts of WoW just didnt make a unique, or in some cases enjoyable experience.
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Blizzard have excellent artists and coders, and more than enough money and resources to provide character customization options to compete with any game out there.
So why don't they?
WoW's comparatively limited customization is a design decision, and it sounds to me like you do not understand the reasons why Blizzard have taken the decision not to try to replicate the admittedly superior and excellent character creation utilities from games such as CoH.
But why?
Character customization really isn't that important to a lot of people.
Obviously this is an important issue for the OP, but this does not absolutely make it a bad game - not in the slightest. Every MMORPG has strong points, and WoW has never been advertised as having Sims-type features.
This might be difficult for someone who places customization very highly on their assesment of a game, but a lot of us come from D&D backgrounds where the only thing that really matters to us is STATS and NUMBERS - the staple of the RPG. I don't care if I ever actually see my character in game, having the options we do is just extra fluff.
I've never seen anyone in any MMORPG shout "HEY! CHECK OUT THIS GUY'S NOSE! THAT'S ONE UNIQUE NOSE, PAL!"
A lot of people would prefer to focus improving WoW in other aspects, such as:
Performance. Simple rule: the more polygons, models, textures you have to draw to any scene, the slower the game runs.
Also as to people thinking that WoW is the "BEST EVER!", this isn't just people new to the genre, a lot of hardcore vets think this to. When I was playing EQ and WoW was released... EVERYONE was talking about it, and entire guilds just got up and left, never to return. All the hardcore guilds, FoH, Triton etc... moved to WoW.
And we haven't looked back.
Enjoy the customization options of other games, but I'm not the type that cares if my character looks completely different from someone else. (Incidentally I have never met someone who had the the same features / armor as me, so I'm not even sure what the issue is here, and even if they did it's the person behind the character that we care about, isn't it?).
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Ya know OP, you are cool.
You are not hating the game, although you will probably get attacked for what you said (although those who attack you would be completely out of place to do so). You are giving your opinion and that is honorable.
So many people love WoW because it was so many peoples first MMO. They never played SWG, never played EVE, never played EQ...no, they played WoW first. Of course, they will love the game and that is fine. I've never even played, so I don't have an opinion, but, like you, I am greatful for what it has done for the industry.
Because of WoW, more people are playing MMO's in general, and we all know, many more companies are developing MMO's now. It is only realistic to know that we are going to see a bunch of WoW clones, and to be honest, those are what I'll be playing for now......but ......eventually, a company will make an MMO that will be exactly what the people have been waiting for. Something that will appeal to all of us.....but....if it weren't for WoW really opening up the industry, that company that does make that truely great MMO, might not have done it.
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PLAYED:FFXI, LotRO, AoC, WAR, DDO, Megaten, Wurm, Rohan, Mabinogi, RoM
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To Recant:
You make a very valid point: many people don't care much for character customisation, when it comes to looks. But i do think that even players who care less do want their characters to be their characters - which arguable can happen without customisation.
Would you really play WoW if you couldn't see your character? It is true that in DnD unless you were an artist you would probably never see your character, but isn't that what seperates MMO's from Pen and paper RPG's? The visualisation of your character and the world its in?
And, even if most players didnt care, why couldnt they give the option for players to fully customise for those who did. Im sure their would be enough players in WoW who would care to make in viable (and its not like they don't have the money :P )
As for the statement about other aspects, such as performace, your right. It';s not like WoW hasn't got its good - nigh great points. (Arguably perfomance really depends on the players hardware/connection as well as what Blizz did - moot point though). PvP in WoW (besides twinks) was extremely fun and for the msot part balanced. It's probably in my opinion the second best PvP (in terms of balance) i have tried, and relativly high overall - thats said I was never a huge PvP'er and I've always felt that PvP could be done better in most MMo's.
Expecting from backlash here, ill go out on a limb and say my favourite PvP was Fury...
Poor Auran...
Back on track - As i said at the beggining it was never WoW was bad (despite the post title), or that it lacked good points. It was just a personal thing that i felt that overall I didn't enjoy it. This is almost certainly a personal thing.
One final note, I did not play a huge bit of BC nor any of the Lich, but before both of them there was less variation in Armour sets (although im pretty sure there could be high variance now).
To re-iterate what i said earlier, my biggest problem was with SOME of the "fanbois" (for lack of a better word) of WoW. Although it probably isn't just for WoW such fanboi's exist...
You did make a very valid point though.
To rozenblade :
Thanks - you obviously understand perfectly where i am coming from. Here's hoping that the truly great MMO(s) come out sooner rather then later.
Edit: I have completely forgotten to mention WoW clones. They obviously suck and any company that makes one should be punished >_>
Seriously though - although it isn't Blizzards nore WoW's direct fault, That is a problem that has stemmed from it. But when WoW does finnaly end, hopefully so will the WoW clones...
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Very nice post OP! I have the same feelings about WoW, its not a bad game, its a very good game, and ill thank Blizzard everyday for making a game with such mass appeal. (and to answer a small point, in BC and WotLK its the same as before, there really is only 1 supreme set per class, though one can make it by with lesser...almost). I would also tend to disagree with the person that posted people dont care about the visual representation of their avatar. I would think that just the fact that it goes into a games rating should spell out clearly how important that is, and yes i have actually played a game like CoH and been like ooooo! looky at that guy/girl that is a cool look. But i think, and i may be wrong, what the OP is saying, is that like the real world you have fry cooks, military officers, bakers, CEO's, garbage men etc...and while i doubt anyone wants to log into WoW and play their garbage disposal expert lvl 15...you get the idea. I think you will find that alot of WoW players feel the lack of uniqness, in fact, a part from the competative nature of people, i think you will find that the desire to be unique and apart from the crowd is what pushes the arena climbers. Dominating PvP is really the only way to stand out and make a name. Why not a well known crafter, whose weapons are so well built that people notice you have one. A writter whose books are featured in the games great library? A politician who ascends to a posistion of influence, wealth, and power. Also, how many people look identical? More simple how many people dress in the same exact clothing? There are alot of things people really want in MMO's they just accept what is now, and find other ways to express the need to be unique. DnD'ers know it too, because your rogue was unlike any other rogue what ever the numbers say, you were that badass motha F*&*er that snuck past the dragon to the horde.
I just had to quote that bit because I personnally would love to play an MMO like that (do anything etc.). A man can dream...o wait, wasn't Galaxies like that :P
You make an extremely good point though - one doesnt need to look diffrent to be unique. So lets compare this to another MMO (such as CoH since it has been mentioned a bit).
We will exclude Character customisation when it comes to looks.
CoH - You pick an archetype (basically a class) and two secondary power sets. later you get to choose pool powers. Then even further on you can choose from epic pool poers.
WoW - You pick a class. A race. Later on, you get to coose from 3 talent trees.
Ok so really that isn't saying alot. They are diffrent games - this alone doesnt mean you can't be unique. You said that in a way, players can make up for this and that is why their may be arena climbers - and you hit the nail on the head.
It allows players to distinguish themselves, to best others. However, while im sure its not the only way players can distinguish themselves, it isn't sayming much. there is no titles, achievements (that I know of - but i did hear mention of something along those lines in WOTLK??). And records? does anyone look at them who ISN't part of them?.
Yes, there is ways to be unique - albet in a diffrent way - in WoW. But it is not in the stats - or at least there is no BIG diffrence in stats (talents). Someone who went Rertibution pally and someone who went Retribution/prot can only differ so much. The point is there is as many ways to be distnguished as there are in other games. This of course doesnt make WoW a bad game, just imo prevents it from being a great game. IMO..
Also another point - is WoW for the casual or the hardcore? I know some people say even for casual player it can take weeks to get from lvl 1 to 50--60, But even for thsoe who do, many will make another character, and unless they switch to horde won't the "grind" or "treadmill" be the same? They have had two major expansions and plenty of updates but how much of that has been dedicated to the treadmill?
Although the end - game content should probably be the best, leaving early - mid game content unchanged seems a bit unfair to those who really don't have the time.
But alas, once again, this arguemnt only applies to some, and so it in no way makes WoW a bad game..
Also - you explained my argument well
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Oh. So that's why The Sims franchise has sold over 50 million units?
Or maybe it's the fact that the MMO crowd doesn't appeal to casual gamers, who make up the majority of gamers?
Oh. So that's why The Sims franchise has sold over 50 million units?
Or maybe it's the fact that the MMO crowd doesn't appeal to casual gamers, who make up the majority of gamers?
Customization is my favorite part of MMOs.
The only ones who don't care about character customization are the people with no creativity. Just because it isn't important to you does not mean it is not important to others.
For example:
I really don't care about MMO combat. Others must not really care about it either then, right? I mean all that really happens in combat anyway is either you die or the mob dies. To give the devs more time to focus on important issues We should have one skill called "crunch" and one weapon called "stick", the stick would go crunch on the mob and there would be a coin toss to see which one dies. Imagine how little time it would take to load an adventure zone if everybody could only use one skill. Particle effects and combat actions should be eliminated too because they eat up valuable bandwith that should be used on my fancy textured outfits.
see how illogical it sounds when it is reversed?
wow whas a nice game in the beginning, but there is many reasons why i would never play it again..
the reasons are..
* the community is without a doubt the most immature of all mmo games i have played, and no one is willing to even think about helping anyone without getting paid for it.
* The game has Raid or Die mentality, so you have to invest most of your "real life" to this game.
* Blizzard have the worst costumer support in the industry.
Want to play: Lego Universe
OP, I wonder why your opinion is so identical to mine...
Anywhoo...
When someone said that uniqueness should be the goal of MMO's (may be misquoting), for a lot of people, its rather the opposite. Some just like to be one of the many many many many geared up warriors /dancing in Ironforge - Think MMO peer pressure or wanting to fit in.
However World of Warcraft did have good interesting end game content, only a fraction of the WoW populace got to see it. In Burning Crusade, how many people got to kill Illidan? How had their characters even get into his Keep? Same With WotLK; I doubt more than 1% of the WoW populace will ever see or kill Arthas, and 1% may be wishful thinking.
The fact of the matter is WoW - for a casual ish game - Is tailored for the hardcore. Sure, you can get a character to 80 relatively casually, but without dedicating yourself (or should I say your soul) to a high level guild, you get a very small piece of the phat WoW cake. The treadmill did need attention if it was to become a great MMO.
After saying all this, I played WoW for 3 years, and for the most part enjoyed myself alot. I get flashbacks of a lvl 20 hunter in Darkshore when I listen to certain songs, and it as a feeling of nostalgia to it. It is a good MMO. But great... perhaps not.
While this is a matter of opinion, I think that a great MMO would offer more. More customisation, More immersion, a way to be unique without having to make a macro stating "Greetings to all I'm Karnog the mighty warrior orc from..."
When people say WoW is the best MMO ever, and use the fact that 12 million people play it as evidence, that proves that WoW is the most popular MMO ever. There are a lot of criteria to make an MMO the "best", and a lot of them are subjective. WoW is better than a lot of MMOs in a lot of ways, but WoW is also worse than others in different ways.
-To WoW fanbois;
I ask that before you decide to flame, troll, grief or otherwise oppose someone who says WoW isn't the holy grail of MMOs, you have enough evidence or at least logical reason with which to back ur flaming up with.
P.S. I do not endorse flaming, trolling or griefing in any way. Use words, not 1337 insults regarding mothers.
Haha, thanks for reading my post so carefully, but I suggest you double check it. I said I did enjoy it. I think WoW is a good game. What I was trying to say is that while it is a good game, I think there are ways in which it could be better.
I always like the part where they say "I played it for 3 years" and then ramble on it's not good.
Your powers of observation astound me.
Yes, I'm openly admitting that World of Warcraft is not the perfect MMO that is better than every MMO in every single way. I strongly believe that World of Warcraft doesn't have the same customisation as, say... City of Heroes. I also believe World of Warcraft is more restrictive than, say... Pre CU SWG. While these things are subjective, I'm sure I'm hardly alone in believing that WoW can improve.
You've heard of patches before right...?
Another Mr first post to come and visit us.
I always like the part where they say "I played it for 3 years" and then ramble on it's not good.
Worse than others ... Yep tell me about it Mr First post.
No need to talk.
You know Zorndof your very annoying. The posts here even if they are their first are not giant flame WoW posts.
Grow up, the game has its flaws just like every other game.
On topic, OP I somewhat agree with you. But my complaint of WoW is that it is seen as "casual" but anything but casual. The game is not for the Hardcore either. Its for those that think they are. The game requires nothing more than time.
And the people with more skill and less time can not get farther than the people with more time. Another complaint about the game is how gear centric it is.
After playing my DK and Warrior to 80, its just like it was in BC, yet 10x worse. Once you hit max level all the gear you got up utnill that level is completely useless just like it was in BC.
Doesnt matter if you have level 75-78 blues, the level 80 blues destroy them and then the epics are even worse.
Anyways I could go on and on what could be improved in WoW. But it is for sure not the best MMO out there.
Ive to agree with that. Becuse how much did I see my Dark templars nose, that I worked alot with, in Age of conan. Less character modeling, moar cool looking armour sets and better perofrmance pretty please.
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Unblocked for a sec to see if things changed ... nop, business as usual. I hope people don't think that the current WoW players are anything like Mr.Z here. He certainly does put the WoW community into a bad light with his antics.
Of course I am annoying, because I see things in posts which are ridiculous.
The OP complains about lack of character specs and than just happily puts GW as the game he plays.
I say ROFL. Of course I am annoying by showing obvious points like these and show the guy is posting his FIRST post on mmorpg.com.
Just like the guys above who are posting for the first time on mmorpg-wowhate.com.... Yeah.
And it always baffles me when you guys all say: "But it is for sure not the best MMO out there. "
So which one it it? Let us laugh too.
WOOT look at the fanboi go... woopy.. WOW sucks. enough said.
the game concept is stolen from another company/game. the graphics suck. with all of blizzards money they could have made the animations smoother. and less blocky on avatars.
but whatever. 90% of WoW boys have never played a single mmo in their life they came from SC or WC. not any actual mmo type game.. but magically they know every single thing there is to know about mmos... NOW thats laughable..
i have played RTS/FPS/RPG/MMO/Sim... ill admit wow has its nice points. but i really fail to see how its better then say hello kitty online.. or my little pony.... i mean.. they can be just as good right.... hahahaha
oh and feel free to flame me. it will only prove your a WoW troll haha. my self i dont care about wow. i just hate wow boys bashing legitimate posters who post THEIR views and thoughts. on a PUBLIC forum (aka this is not blizzards forum.. SO its not a WOW only forum... nubcake)
i played WoW 1.0 for all of 2hrs. part of that was it was 1am. and i was bored/drunk. and 2.. it was a buddys old account haha
to sum up my post for the mentally challanged.
WoW = avarage mmo.
WoW = will never be THE greatest. (as that will be impossle much like finding the ending digit to infinity)
if you want to bash other people for posting their thoughts about WoW... do 2 things
1) go some where else perhaps the blizzard forums
2) try another game and see WoW though their eyes before bashing.
though if i was bored and had free cash not spent on booze and wow actually fixed the major bugs and fixed the boxy graphics.... AND maybe if magically it was the only game on the planet... i might play it... or i would sell my pc.. one of the two..
HAHAHA
Zorndorf
Thanks for posting your two cents, ill try and clarify AGAIn what ive been trying to say.
If this mistaken for flaming then that is NOT my intention.
Let me make this clear.
In my PERSONAL opinion WOW is NOT a bad game. Despite the title i do NOT hate WoW - if you read and understood my post properly you see that. Now perhaps you just misread and assumed that I was flaming WoW, so I wont go out there and say your a troll.
What i did say was that i PERSONALLY felt WoW was an ok game, that it its great parts and it's not so great parts - no diffrent from any game. What i also did was explain why i in fact am THANKFUL for WoW, and with WoW clones exempted, WoW has done more for the MMO's community then any other MMO.
You are right, this is my first post - but if you see what year i signed up in you will probably notice I have been looking and reading stuff on these forums and the website for a substantial time longer.
I am sure that for some WoW is the best game for them simply because the good points of WoW match up with there own. But WoW is not perfect, and for that matter neither are people.
Hopefully its not a huge request of you to read through and understand my future posts before you flame me.
I play Guild Wars currently with no expectation of customisation because anyone who has played knows that while it is RP, it is RP is far more focused on overcoming challengers then having a story. Don't mistake this for me thinking GW is better or worse then WoW - merely diffrent.
Also, for the record, there is far more customisation in GW then in WoW - albet you can change it between basically every fight. The customisation is there just in a diffrent way. Dye's for armour, an infinet amount of builds ( not nessacrily good ones :P ) and about the same amound of facial customisation as in WoW, I hope you don't think that merely because i currently play GW and not WoW that I don't know what im talking about or that Im hypocritical.
I also request that you stop flaming any other people on this topic merely because they either signed up for the first time or play LOTRO which you seem to believe is a WoW spinoff? Need I point out which awards LOTRO one.
(Just so you know you quoted him saying there are SOME bad points on WoW and then complained about telling 1/2 the story. The sentace before that was "WoW has its good points, but it also has its bad points".) try and tell the full story next time.
Thanks for posting. Please stop flaming, because Im sure you have a valid point to make between your insults.
EDIT: On a similar note, you pointed out that people said it isn't the best MMo out there and asked what is.
The answer is there is none because it it comes to personal taste. I am not WoW hater, as Ive made clear numerous times, but I am not a fanboy either.
Every MMo has its own good and bad points, and there could very well be no perfect everybody loves MMO.
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Just because somebody feels like taking things into extremes, doesn't justify people counter-arguing with points going to the other extreme.
WoW animation is among the best and most fluent and responsive in the market. The polygon count is low, the graphics engine could definitely use a revamp. Perhaps something similar to what LOTRO did with the directX 9 and 10 engines.
I've played my share of MMOs. Some I liked, some I didn't. My opinion differs than other people's opinion, but I recognise that that's what it is, an opinion. It's something personal and can't be invalidated when other people have different opinions. Even if the other people are the majority. I feel that's Mr.Z biggest failure really.
Whether you like or dislike WoW is up to you, noone can make up your mind for you. Just keep in mind that your opinion is not a gospel, neither is the opinion of the big WoW population or the smallest population of people that flame WoW for the sole reason that it is popular.
To put you into perspective, if Hello Kitty Online was the most popular subscription based MMO (it could be, I'm not following HKO), then people would be bashing HKO instead.
I promise that I wont hold Zandorf's opinions againt the WoW community :P:P
For the msot part i agree with you. To quote another forum topic from another poster : "Opinions are like assholed. We each have one and to the next guy yours stinks" - Copyright (not sure who to..)
When people accept that they can have logical disscusions about them with other people, and make their points. Maybe that will changes some peoples opinions and maybe it wont, but its better then a hate war..
I would like to point out I made mention that one of the resons i was annoyed at wow was some of the players who had not played another MMO but refused to hear that their game mighten be "perfect" or that other might be better.
Zandorf - What other MMo's have you played?
I would continue but at the risk of him mistaking what I am as flaming instead of fair logical point i shall stop. Zandorf, Im sure you have valid points. Please spend your posts explaing that instead of flaming
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After the semi-failure that it was the Burning Crusade expansion, Lich King is by leages better. In fact, it's so much better that I feel a bit sad if people don't try it, just because they based their past expansion experience on BC.
LK is a real expansion in my book and something that brought the atmosphere of the classic WoW back in the game. So I highly recommend to all the people that I know to give it a try. Especially those of us that had to endure BC and all it's issues. LK is nothing like BC, I left the game because of BC burnout and came back in LK to find my classic game reincarnated.
Having said that, certain individuals are doing more harm than good with their extreme "positive" opinions. So much in fact that I think they are doing it on purpose.
I chopse the title so it could clearly show that i have conflicting views on WoW, and because there are aspects of it I do hate.
Does it matter how LOTRO won? So what if it was 600? Where were the 11 million WoW players? as other forum topics have said it is because the greater part of the WoW community doesnt care for the rest of the MMO. SOME do care. SOME do come onto websites like these - but not all.
You have flamed me once again and called me a troll and yet i have not intetntionally flamed you. I am no troll. I posted this to see what other people though about my overall opinion (that WoW should be thanked even if it is only average - and that it isnt average for everyone, some disklike greatly others love)
And not once did i say GW was better, once again you have not read my post completely, or have misunderstood it. I merely pointed out that i currently play GW and not WoW. I have spendt more time on WoW then GW. although i never said 3 years once again throwing words in my mouth (post :P:P)
I pointed out that dye allowed more customisation and that yes in THAT regard it is better then WoW - but i never said overall it isnt. WoW Has far more depth then GW, GW has a nicer community (that is a genraelsiation do not take it for all GW players are nice or all of WoW sucks - it is merely an average that i PERSONALLY experienced), WoW has gear, GW doesnt.
They are not the same game, and I do not compare them In enough way for me to decide. GW is diffrent from almost all MMO's starting from the method of payment
This is all of track though. To summasie for those who skipped ahead. I do not think WoW is bad, i think it is average. The reason i said i hate it is because there are players of WoW that are illogical and belive that WoW is perfect despite not playing other MMOS (It is true other games feature this, but i persoanaly feel they are more proment/more of them in WoW).
And ABOVE ALL I LOVE WoW for what it has done for the MMO community(Or what it will do when it eventualyl falls, although who knows when that will happen) 11.5 million players looking for a new MMO could end with the birth of some really innovative MMO's (I M O). Can you please stop flaming Zandorf so we can have a proper discussion.
EDIT: Xasa, i can honestly say I have not tried WOTLK, so if has improved that is good to hear, this does mean I wouldnt be able to properly tell if it is now "The best MMO".
That said, I ahve read on the features, and while it certainyl added lots, I personally felt there was not the right ones to make me go back. Dont mistake this for me think WOTLK is bad - i dont know. Merely based on what I know I would nto go back.
Would you say it is the best MMO?
2EDIT: Also, do you honestly belive I would get less flame if the title was "Why I Hate WoW players, Love WoW, and Thank Blizzard"? And isnit the only flame ive gotten so far from you?
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Fury, Pre-Cu Galaxies
Exactly why do you take so personal the votes of this site is beyond me. Personally, all I care is that I'm having fun and that the servers are experiencing queues weeks after the expansion launched (ok, that's not exactly totally positive).
You fail to realise that a good portion of people come to this site when they are looking for alternative MMOs to play. A big portion of those people probably left WoW (the biggest success for Blizzard is not that they have big subscription numbers, but that they sustain and increase these numbers even with all the people leaving all the time). So they vote for games other than WoW. What's the big deal exactly?
Oh, and Grayhoof is also blocked for being so obnoxiously positive.
From what I understand of the OP, it is not that he hates WoW because WoW is a crap game and is too popular and should splode for being played by 12 million people. My interpretation is that the use of "Hate: was to convey that WoW - due to it's popularity - has in a way drained the market. There were a lot of promising MMOs that haven't been able to get a foothold in the industry because WoW has such a large foothold. Games like Fury have closed down very early after going public simply because people would rather play WoW.
The love and thanks is due to the fact that WoW has opened the market to the public for future MMOs.
"Why I hate WoW,..." in a thread title may sound like a flame, but it did a good job of getting attention for itself.
We are not saying WoW is crap; to the contrary. I've said it is a good game and so has the OP. Do not take this as a hate crusade saying that WoW is a bad game, because it is not.