Evil is so!!..nonexistant

Psouth

One thing i hated when playing the stress test is that the evil(horde) really weren't evil at all. I played a tauren and the quests were quite goody goody. One of my quests which was fun was to cleanse the water supply of a town.. mmm evil. The only killing quests were ones to defend the town from "bad beasts" that are moving closer and closer to the town. Where's the assassination? Where's the war? Where's the evil!?

numatic

The horde isnt evil to themselves. They are evil to there enemies. Which is why the quests seem "goody goody". Because they are helping the horde. Now if the quests had you go and kill your own kind, or rid some mobs from an alliance zone then I would begin to wonder lol.

r1tual

Huh,

In Warcraft the Horde were quite evil.

In such a poor game like WoW,  the Horde are all of a sudden normal.

Another -5 points for Wow.

gargantroo

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Originally posted by r1tual

Huh,
In Warcraft the Horde were quite evil.
In such a poor game like WoW,  the Horde are all of a sudden normal.
Another -5 points for Wow.

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The horde were evil in Warcraft, Warcraft 2 and WC2 expansion, they were neutral (if we are referring to the majority of the horde, trolls tauren and orcs) in Warcraft 3. The only evil race in Warcraft 3 were the undead. But in Warcraft 1 and 2 the horde werent evil amongst themselves. Like, they were good to eachother, evil to the world. WC3 is a different story. They were goody goody in WC3.

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Rock_Rard

If you want "evil" play an undead char, they just have an evil feeling to them, but the tauren are more of a tribal race and I think they pulled that feeling off very well.

IMHO of course

abollardiere

I agree with you gargantroo,

    In Warcraft III, when playing the Orc campains... I felt there was a sense of compassion amongst the orc leaders .. and even more so with the Tauren NPCs.

  The night elves actually seemed almost more ruthless and snappy than the Orcs or Tauren.

I haven't played WCIII for a long time so my memory maybe off .. did anyone get the same impression?

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Trianon

I'd agree with that, the Orcs were very compassionate to each other (and in some case to the Alliance races in WC3), personally I think Blizzard pulled off a remarkable achievement, graphically the WoW world had a very distinct 'Warcraft' feel to it, visiting the throne room was kind of eerie.

All in all.... I wish I didnt have to wait for 2 or 3 months for the next beta stage.

Vakktn

Undead is the "Evil" race it seems.... hell even one of their quests have you bring a "Laced Pumpkin" to a captured Human in the basement of the Inn...and guess what It does to him? It makes his body decay and eventually DIE!... that was really cool. But yeah the horde isnt "Evil". As for the storyline for WoW it has yet to be published so we dont really know what the role of the horde is right now.

j-monster

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Originally posted by r1tual

Huh,
In Warcraft the Horde were quite evil.
In such a poor game like WoW,  the Horde are all of a sudden normal.
Another -5 points for Wow.

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Horde were only evil in WC through WC2 so its not like its ''All of a sudden''

Cerveth

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Originally posted by Psouth
One thing i hated when playing the stress test is that the evil(horde) really weren't evil at all. I played a tauren and the quests were quite goody goody. One of my quests which was fun was to cleanse the water supply of a town.. mmm evil. The only killing quests were ones to defend the town from "bad beasts" that are moving closer and closer to the town. Where's the assassination? Where's the war? Where's the evil!?

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Judging by your Sig. I'd say it's another EQ2 Troll trying to find a reason to bash WoW....

j-monster

liiikkkee r1tual?

JBO1

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Originally posted by Psouth
One thing i hated when playing the stress test is that the evil(horde) really weren't evil at all. I played a tauren and the quests were quite goody goody. One of my quests which was fun was to cleanse the water supply of a town.. mmm evil. The only killing quests were ones to defend the town from "bad beasts" that are moving closer and closer to the town. Where's the assassination? Where's the war? Where's the evil!?

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Blizzard has always rode that fine line between what what is evil and what is not evil. The orcs were only evil from the demon influence and their allies deal with honor alot. The undead were the real exceptions, the want humanity destroyed, for the most part. Remember in WCII and III the humans seemed more evil in their actions at time too. I think that Blizzard sees evil in the eyes of the beholder. But I do agree with you you can't really see the evil, there is no real definition of it in the game. Also it is still in beta and they, should be interesting to see how it will be played out in retail. Good observation, didn't think about it myself while playing.

edit: also remember the horde came together with all the other races to defeat the demons in the last part of the story, we have no idea what happened in the 4 years since. Good point still though.

Psouth

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Originally posted by Cerveth
Judging by your Sig. I'd say it's another EQ2 Troll trying to find a reason to bash WoW....

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Absolutely not, i played the WoW stress test and loved it, thought it was a great game loads of fun. Gonna buy retail and play open beta, but this was just one thing i wanted cleared up. I did get a very tribal sense playing the taurens and it was almost like a native american equivalent in the game we were all earth-worshipping and different tribes with the names like Gorgon Earthshaker and such lol. I will play undead next then because i need a sense of evil, but originally they seemed a little cliche' ish. Well whatever, thanks guys!

numatic

Oh btw in WoW, the undead quests are Evil. They have you basically doing "Alchemy" like quests. To create a plague to destroy the humans. So yes, the undead quests are evil. However the orcs, trolls, and shamans seem more tribal like then evil.

Robbgobb

From what I have read of the storyline is that Alliance and Horde are hostile to each other but neither are really evil. The other thing is that I read the stories when each race was put up on the website and it seems to say that the Undead are evil. They are just using the rest of the Horde for protection till they are strong enough to take on everyone.

I have a feeling that it might lead to the game being able to really change. I think it would be great if the game is meant to go for so long on a storyline and end when WoW 2 is ready or something. I think it would be cool if as the game goes on that comes out. I don't know if that can be done with any Alliance race but would be cool to see the truth about the Undead come out.

Coldmeat

I don't know about evil with the Undead. Any sense of evil I might have gotten was savagely beaten and molested by the teaming horde of prepubesent idiots screaming every obscenity, or racial slur they could think of, a few other idiots carrying on about Bush, and somehow managing to work that into the Undead story, and so on. After about 10 minutes, I split, and made a tauren.

BerzerkBlack

The Tauren are not evil race...If you remember in warcraft III they were seeking for their peaceful oasis and got the help of the orcs thats why they joined the horde...

r1tual

I didnt play Warcraft 3 though because it sucked.

So honest mistake.  Just another reason why W3 was weak too.

Greyface

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Originally posted by r1tual

I didnt play Warcraft 3 though because it sucked.
So honest mistake.  Just another reason why W3 was weak too.

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If you didn't play it, how do you know it sucked?

Validd

Go to the terran mill there is a quest there to go and kill the farmers dog.

 

 

j-monster

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Originally posted by Greyface



Originally posted by r1tual

I didnt play Warcraft 3 though because it sucked.
So honest mistake.  Just another reason why W3 was weak too.

If you didn't play it, how do you know it sucked?

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Easy because r1tual is an EQ troll nuff said

Nizze78

.............The ORC'S are not evil they were affected by a kind of bloodpact that made them evil. But if you had played warcraft3 you would know that the Orc's manages to break free from this evil curse with the help of Thrall (the leader for the orc's).............

TAURENS have never been evil for as long as I can remeber. I think they were first introduced in RoC and blizzard says on www.blizzard.com/wow in townhall for taurens that they are fierce warriors but want's to live close to the nature and be one with it..............

UNDEAD are not the evil ones the scourge are. The undead that you play in WoW are the lucky few ones that manages to break free from the grasp of the evil demons (Burning Legion)............

TROLLS are a little evil but only to there enemies. And they have sworn an alliance with the horde so the horde is there friends...........

I recon my evaluation is concluded and therefore I will now post it and let everyone interested read it..........

Nizze78

Robbgobb

How many ppl read about the Undead in the Town Hall on Blizzard.com. Says they have duped their Horde allies into fighting the Lich King for them and more. This does make me think of the Undead as evil.

Greyface

I'd agree... after playing through a bunch of the Undead quests during the stress test, I'd say they are most definately evil.  The Forsaken broke free of the Lich King's control, not the demons.  If you work your way into the throne room in the Undercity, you'll find a Dreadlord.

ferilmaster

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Originally posted by Greyface
I'd agree... after playing through a bunch of the Undead quests during the stress test, I'd say they are most definately evil.  The Forsaken broke free of the Lich King's control, not the demons.  If you work your way into the throne room in the Undercity, you'll find a Dreadlord.

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That dreadlord is Varimanthris is it not? He is Slyvanas'es pet(truly a slave) she spared him, had him kill his own brother (violating rule with his clan or group, or whatever it's called) The Undead want to kill the lich king-arthus and will kill anyone who gets in their way, including the horde, but at the moment, Thrall feels for them, because he and his orcs were put in the same position, and had the same prejudice. In my opinion, the humans, and the undead are the most evil races in WoW.