The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
really? cause if you do a search for Visual Enterprises SA, it comes up with Audio Visual Enterprises SA, and there is a Audio Visual Enterprises SA Balcans division based out of romania. called Prooptiki.ro:
Prooptiki Romania
Prooptiki Romania SRL is the Romanian branch of the Greek media group Audiovisual and the leader of the Romanian home entertainment market, holding the DVD distribution licence for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Walt Disney Motion Pictures Studios and Buena Vista Home Entertainment – Disney productions, as well as for BBC video products and a large range of independent movies. Since June 2007 Prooptiki has been the sole Romanian distributor of Sony Pictures productions on Blu-Ray support.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
really? cause if you do a search for Visual Enterprises SA, it comes up with Audio Visual Enterprises SA, and there is a Audio Visual Enterprises SA Balcans division based out of romania.....interesting isnt it.......
I can't wait until pre-orders are available to watch the humorous insanity which ensues over the next month or so. Be like watching swarms of bees looking for the nest that was just ripped out of the tree...
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
really? cause if you do a search for Visual Enterprises SA, it comes up with Audio Visual Enterprises SA, and there is a Audio Visual Enterprises SA Balcans division based out of romania.....interesting isnt it.......
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
BLAHHHAAAAHHAHHAAAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! delayed? OMFG WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
-------------------------------------- Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The force shall free me. -the Sith code
I would like to comment on Jon Wood: "The first, and perhaps most important thing to note is the promise of an announcement regarding pre-order information. This stood out to me immediately upon reading it as to my recollection, Darkfall had promised that there would be no pre-orders for their game. This seemed to be done as a response to critics who called the game’s validity into question."
And I would like to refer to Tasos: "The pre-orders are necessary so that we can have some measure of the demand."
Jon Wood. I have not studied economics very much, but I can totally understand Aventurine's move on this one. Yes, they might have promised not to make any pre-orders. But, Aventurine is clearly in a difficult situation as they only have two choices. They can commercially launch their game and receive such a great response to sales that they might have to close down any new players wanting to buy the game. Or allow it and risk instability, servers crashing and lag. Or they can do the only reasonable thing and give the players who want the game the most a chance to get it. There are fans who have followed this game for many years. It is unfair for them to miss out on the launch. Therefore, I applaud Aventurine for making it possible for the individual fan to somehow secure himself a position at launch. And I don't think pre-orders are a bad thing. Plans change and I believe they have taken the best approach. I am also eager to get early access to the game. It is a smart thing to do because it allows those testers who really want to help an ability to do it. I have been upset every day since they started closed hardware testing. I felt I was an important part of the DF fan community, but I was never given a chance to help. Now I can have it if I pay a meaningless amount of dollars. I am perfectly fine with this. Therefore, I don't feel you should criticize Tasos and Aventurine's decision.
Order of the White Border aside... you seriously think that a man and a company who has a horrid time promising dates, details, and presentation of their product--- is worthy of gaining the sympathy of a playerbase that runs on faith?
Ever run a business? You can't make false promises like that. The very reaction of skepticism and anti-DF sentiment is the very thing that can topple corporations with too much damage to their public representation. Either you deliver on your promises, or you fold.
You can argue, that developers make false promises all the time, like what happened with a lot of MMOs who didn't deliver everything they hoped to achieve on launch. But as you can imagine, it still damaged their business even with good intentions. Or put their own game on a pedestal, which they can't return from.
Does Tasos deserve the assload of criticism? Hell yes. He's horrible as a Public Representative, if nothing else about his company and its game.
You base your whole case on the fact that Aventurine has decided not to release back in 2003, in 2005 and then spoke a lot about being ready for beta testing, but still to this date have not released. And now they are pushing it back one month.
I don't think you have a right to criticize those decisions. I admire Aventurine's strength. The game they were ready to release in 2003 was not the game they knew they could make if they kept at it. So they restructured and tried again in Greece with more money and more support. Then they announced the clan beta in 2005. But, they never initiated. I don't know why. But, does it really matter? I think not. I think Aventurine have made the best decisions for this game. And when Tasos gives a presentation of Darkfall in a Greek cafe and talks about MMORPGs being the most complicated software programming. He is correct. Modern day MMORPG players have demands that exceed what most MMORPGs can handle. A small team of developers have to do a hell of a job in order to land their dream successfully so they can keep working on it and make it a reality.
The truth is that the community needs these kinds of projects. They are hard as hell to make. So many of them fail. We've been at the point where theme park is the only thing anyone dares to do. I think Aventurine is a great company and they have made great decisions. They have only announced one date too. They broke no promise. They announced the release date this january. But, the truth is that noone really knew what the release involved. How it would take place and so on. It turns out that the release has become a release of the client and overall access to mass testing for all players. The beginning of a launch. Something which is supposed to come in stages. The one month delay before everyone can start REALLY playing is nothing. And I am inspired by Tasos' public relations. He seems like a developer worth respecting because he is determined, assertive and strong. I know he's doing the right things with Kjetil and the other guys.
And I can't wait to help do everything in my power to give feedback to this development company. They deserve my help more than anybody else out there. Because of the things I've said and because they are doing something noone else has had the discipline too.
I have recently noticed some hostility from a user named Laurann. He is supposedly a game developer too with numerous titles in his backpack. He seems to be a very angry person and criticizes Aventurine a lot. He believes it's a scam. And there are many of you who think this.
But, I will trust in Aventurine and I admire their effort. They are a company who would work through the holidays. They have said many times they work overtime on a regular basis and that they hold very few vacations. Hell. It's the kind of dedication I need to know a developer will do for me as a gamer. A dev team that does everything in their power. Including carefully choosing a publisher that wont force them to do what is not good for the game. I also want developers who take hard decisions because they know what is best. Sometimes us gamers dont know anything, but pretend to know it all.
So I respect Aventurine. And I think some of you are scared or jealous of the strength and discipline they have shown.
ZtyX
Are you on Aventurine's payroll? Because this sounds just like the kind of BS that comes out of PR i would expect out of AoC pre-launch.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Actually, no. I wasn't the first to say it. Read te thread before typing.
You, however, came out stating completely that he is not involved in any way, shape, or form. So, that burden is, in fact, on you.
And if you were me, you'd know telling me to drop something before I get a definitive answer to a question from someone with knowledge ( apparently you don't hav any or we wouldn't still be debating ) is futile.
I really don't want to be called a "he" anymore Maybe you should tell them the reasons for the hostility, or link some quotes. I'm SO sick of smaller, competent, fresh, legitimate developers getting burned out of publishing deals, and the fans which help inspire potential developers in the genre getting continuously fucked over because of thieves, bald faced lying wannabe devs, and the idiocy from rabid fanbois that help these gangrenous fucks push their false agendas.
And I can understand that. I don't like this idea either. But, Aventurine is one of those small companies. They just started in 1999 as Razorwax. They worked 4 people in one room to make their dream come true and they have been on their way and kept at it for so long. They are not your enemy. And they have taken the fight up against publisher who want to decide for gaming studios. They have even brought out a new publisher that never published games before. Visual Enterprises SA is new on this scene. This is a good thing.
I really think Aventurine is not the ones you should have a problem. Unless you have some secret knowledge you want to share with us all.
I really believe in their project. I think it's admirable that they can work so dedicated for so many years and still try to do their best. They deserve the anticipation and they deserve the extra money for pre-orders.
Ultimately, if Darkfall turns out to have problems at launch at least I know that Darkfall won't fail. Many players are bound to leave again after they find out how actionpacked Darkfall is. Agon is basically one big battlezone designed for epic clashes in the middle of the map and with naval battles around the map. This world is not for all. I can understand why they didn't anticipate this big of a fanbase. And I can understand if some will leave.
But, actually. I don't think Darkfall has any chance of failing. The money from the initial subscriptions and now the pre-order will carry a long way. It will probably cover their investment so far. Not sure. I didn't do that math. I just know it's a lot of money. And Darkfall has the strength and capacity to work at absolute minimum developer power. All they really need is basically those top developers to continue doing the work they know so well after so many years of fighting for this baby, Darkfall. .. For Darkfall to be successful and for them to be able to hire more staff would be exceptionally wonderful. Imagine the things they could do to the game. Even so. The game is reported to be fun and new. I don't care if it has flaws or run at a low community in 1 year. As long as Darkfall lives I am happy to endure any difficulties with it. It's simply a revolutionary game and deserves to be out there to give a full loot pvp experience without lag to people who want to play in a new 3d world rather than having to resolute to older titles like Runescape or Shadowbane.
2009 is going to be a good year for mmorpgs. 2010 too. Finally, some of the next generation mmorpgs focusing on the sandbox are coming out.
Not going to debate the pro or con DF agenda here.
Only going to toss out a few words on business sense to echo what others have said.
As a company in a volitale industry (MMO's are a very volatile industry right now) you simply can't have this kind of track record. You can't hype a product one year and not release it, then do it again and then again. You -especially- can't do this if you have yet to release any -real- information about your product let alone have failed to go about even basic advertising methods. The DF team continues this trend and considering their game is already targeting a niche audience it just shows a severe lack of understanding on consumer responses.
I'm glad we have a dev team that are devs first and business second, but to not show any kind of foresight like this really doesn't create any brand confidence.
So they have 200,000 beta apps....so? The chances are many, many people have submitted multiple applications. It's not -completely- illogical to go so far as to say 100,000 people could have just submitted 2 apps a piece, though it is unlikely. Either way WAR had what? 600,000 beta apps? I mean I know Aventurine is a small company, but it's not like 200,000 people just all of a sudden submitted apps this week. If they either just completely forgot to plan for that or it took them over an entire -month- to realize it/get approval for the press release then that shows a severe lack of coordination.
Yeah they have a lot of stuff to deal with. A lot of stuff that they listed as reasons for the delay should have been seen coming months ago. I'm not going to call vaporware, but I wouldn't pre-order this. All of you fanbois out there should pull your heads up because it's up to Aventurine to impress you. Right now I honestly get the feeling that these guys -know- that they have a few hundred thousand rabid, frothing fans that will do whatever they want them to. This includes wagging their tails and waiting patiently no matter what happens like a bunch of pathetic puppies.
As consumers we do have the right to demand a certain level of information on a product before we buy it. Aventurine still hasn't even released system specs, retail price and monthly fees associated with the game let alone anything like a list of -basic- skills or abilities. If you heard about this awesome car that was coming out that would have all these nifty sounding features that you want, but as the release day for it got closer and closer and the company wouldn't tell you what the car actually had, it's basic information like gas mileage......would you pay for it in advance or wait until they unveil the finished product? This isn't really any different. In short, DON'T PRE-ORDER THIS GAME until Aventurine releases basic information on what their released product will be.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Actually, no. I wasn't the first to say it. Read te thread before typing.
You, however, came out stating completely that he is not involved in any way, shape, or form. So, that burden is, in fact, on you.
And if you were me, you'd know telling me to drop something before I get a definitive answer to a question from someone with knowledge ( apparently you don't hav any or we wouldn't still be debating ) is futile.
OK now you are just blatantly trolling or trying in a very bad way to save face.
He is not listed as working there and absolutely no one has ever heard of him there (call the distributors in RO if u dont believe me) and he lives in another country.
Logical conclusion: he is not involved in this project!
So to state again: DAN ANTONESCU FROM MOURNING DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AUDIOVISUAL SA (Darkfall Online's Publisher)
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
Good point. Why are they suddenly not credible just because they have a branch in Romania? It's silly.
So can you go ahead and prove that Dan A works with them and plans to send CD:RW cds out to people who pre-order Darkfall?
I doubt it Tasos or the other devs, especially the 4 guys who been working on the game for a decade now would allow it. Besides. They have a good investor in Spiros. I think he is good for more. They are clearly not rushing things. They have proved time and again that they dont rush things. But, they have shown progress and their client looks fucking amazing in the gameplay trailer and in the Athens Digital Week video by Shaar.
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
In fact, lets see the board of directors. This should be public info there in Romania, where you live, so get to it.
The proof should be up to you since you come with the accusation when there is no reason to believe it apart from someone claiming it. In fact, Laurann. Sorry, I didn't realize you are a woman. I thought you were a man because you seem to be hating so much. Im not used to women being this vicious in gaming circles. I thought it was only for RL.
Why don't you go ahead and explain?
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No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Actually, no. I wasn't the first to say it. Read te thread before typing.
You, however, came out stating completely that he is not involved in any way, shape, or form. So, that burden is, in fact, on you.
And if you were me, you'd know telling me to drop something before I get a definitive answer to a question from someone with knowledge ( apparently you don't hav any or we wouldn't still be debating ) is futile.
OK now you are just blatantly trolling or trying in a very bad way to save face.
He is not listed as working there and absolutely no one has ever heard of him there (call the distributors in RO if u dont believe me) and he lives in another country.
Logical conclusion: he is not involved in this project!
So to state again: DAN ANTONESCU FROM MOURNING DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AUDIOVISUAL SA (Darkfall Online's Publisher)
Um, we're supposed to take your word on a forum?
Why do I need to call them long-distance ( and with an added language barrier ) when you live right there? Are you telling me they have no website showing their directors and employees? There's nothing tangible that you can link here to say definitively that he doesn't work there other than your word?
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
In fact, lets see the board of directors. This should be public info there in Romania, where you live, so get to it.
The proof should be up to you since you come with the accusation when there is no reason to believe it apart from someone claiming it. In fact, Laurann. Sorry, I didn't realize you are a woman. I thought you were a man because you seem to be hating so much. Im not used to women being this vicious in gaming circles. I thought it was only for RL.
Why don't you go ahead and explain?
Quote:
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Yes. I completely agree. Good point.
You realize that you have no credibility at all on any board in these forums after DnL, right? Just checking.
why dont we all just load up, head to greece and kick the shit out of someone at adventurine until some answers are given. nothing like choking someone to an inch of their life to make them talk.
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
Good point. Why are they suddenly not credible just because they have a branch in Romania? It's silly.
So can you go ahead and prove that Dan A works with them and plans to send CD:RW cds out to people who pre-order Darkfall?
I doubt it Tasos or the other devs, especially the 4 guys who been working on the game for a decade now would allow it. Besides. They have a good investor in Spiros. I think he is good for more. They are clearly not rushing things. They have proved time and again that they dont rush things. But, they have shown progress and their client looks fucking amazing in the gameplay trailer and in the Athens Digital Week video by Shaar.
Have faith Alpha Participant (I know which game ) Zytx or w/e your name is.
The whole development of this game and its community relations has been amateurish and unprofessional from the beginning and these traits will be the games downfall.
We're talking about another projet, probably another disaster but not about same people.
You' ll find more unprofessionnal people than real professionnals in the world. (Non professionnal are easy to find specially on économic crises times) A few people dreaming about a huge projet without professionnal qualities , funds and contacts to make it. I could call them "old and bad students" dreaming about changing the world in their parent's house but also incompetent and non professionnal "business men". (I don't think the words are appropriate )
Good students , good artists and creatives goes working to Microsoft, IBM , or Blizzard (etc etc etc) never to smallest cies in the world. (I'm not talking about medium or small but professionnal Cies but about smallest and unprofessional ones that's different)
DFO is a pure unprofessional production, nothing has been prepared for launch. (cf Jon's text)
No serious BT, no stress test, no spec. given on this poor and unprofessional website, no payments, no prices for the game, not even details about the size of the client. And what about Internet Security for payment ? Did you think 1 sec about it ? 100% unprofessionnal that's why I suggest you to take CARE before preordering something.
it's not a pb of gaming, of PVP or PVE or world or graphics or gameplay. Adults don't really care about gameplay , they care about security of transactions, etc.
Nothing to see, nothing to try, no security on the website for the moment, no spec = no money.
Easy.
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" I have faith in all good projects because I am not a cynic and a pessimist like Zorvan.
I admire games that try to do things differently for the good of the gamers."
SO I 'm sorry to say but i must admit that you speak and think like a child.
A child thinks everything is real.
And wake up, we're not talking about a Treatment Action Campaign against AIDS but only talking about
I had a feeling this would happen, it's a indy developer.
To be honest all you guys that are giving up on DF due to a 30 day push back wouldnt of played the game for long anyway.
If a little thing like a delay bothers you what would you do if you found more then half the promised features missing at launch (something thats common for indy mmos)?
Just move along guys let the niche DF fans have this one all to our selves
All i can say is Shit... thats the first thing I said when i saw this post... hell, I think i might be saying this Feb 15 too, Hopefully i dont have to
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
Good point. Why are they suddenly not credible just because they have a branch in Romania? It's silly.
So can you go ahead and prove that Dan A works with them and plans to send CD:RW cds out to people who pre-order Darkfall?
I doubt it Tasos or the other devs, especially the 4 guys who been working on the game for a decade now would allow it. Besides. They have a good investor in Spiros. I think he is good for more. They are clearly not rushing things. They have proved time and again that they dont rush things. But, they have shown progress and their client looks fucking amazing in the gameplay trailer and in the Athens Digital Week video by Shaar.
Have faith Alpha Participant (I know which game ) Zytx or w/e your name is.
I have faith in all good projects because I am not a cynic and a pessimist like Zorvan.
I admire games that try to do things differently for the good of the gamers.
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No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
really? cause if you do a search for Visual Enterprises SA, it comes up with Audio Visual Enterprises SA, and there is a Audio Visual Enterprises SA Balcans division based out of romania. called Prooptiki.ro:
Prooptiki Romania
Prooptiki Romania SRL is the Romanian branch of the Greek media group Audiovisual and the leader of the Romanian home entertainment market, holding the DVD distribution licence for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Walt Disney Motion Pictures Studios and Buena Vista Home Entertainment – Disney productions, as well as for BBC video products and a large range of independent movies. Since June 2007 Prooptiki has been the sole Romanian distributor of Sony Pictures productions on Blu-Ray support.
interesting isnt it
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
really? cause if you do a search for Visual Enterprises SA, it comes up with Audio Visual Enterprises SA, and there is a Audio Visual Enterprises SA Balcans division based out of romania.....interesting isnt it.......
I can't wait until pre-orders are available to watch the humorous insanity which ensues over the next month or so. Be like watching swarms of bees looking for the nest that was just ripped out of the tree...
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
really? cause if you do a search for Visual Enterprises SA, it comes up with Audio Visual Enterprises SA, and there is a Audio Visual Enterprises SA Balcans division based out of romania.....interesting isnt it.......
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
BLAHHHAAAAHHAHHAAAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! delayed? OMFG WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The force shall free me.
-the Sith code
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
In fact, lets see the board of directors. This should be public info there in Romania, where you live, so get to it.
Order of the White Border aside... you seriously think that a man and a company who has a horrid time promising dates, details, and presentation of their product--- is worthy of gaining the sympathy of a playerbase that runs on faith?
Ever run a business? You can't make false promises like that. The very reaction of skepticism and anti-DF sentiment is the very thing that can topple corporations with too much damage to their public representation. Either you deliver on your promises, or you fold.
You can argue, that developers make false promises all the time, like what happened with a lot of MMOs who didn't deliver everything they hoped to achieve on launch. But as you can imagine, it still damaged their business even with good intentions. Or put their own game on a pedestal, which they can't return from.
Does Tasos deserve the assload of criticism? Hell yes. He's horrible as a Public Representative, if nothing else about his company and its game.
You base your whole case on the fact that Aventurine has decided not to release back in 2003, in 2005 and then spoke a lot about being ready for beta testing, but still to this date have not released. And now they are pushing it back one month.
I don't think you have a right to criticize those decisions. I admire Aventurine's strength. The game they were ready to release in 2003 was not the game they knew they could make if they kept at it. So they restructured and tried again in Greece with more money and more support. Then they announced the clan beta in 2005. But, they never initiated. I don't know why. But, does it really matter? I think not. I think Aventurine have made the best decisions for this game. And when Tasos gives a presentation of Darkfall in a Greek cafe and talks about MMORPGs being the most complicated software programming. He is correct. Modern day MMORPG players have demands that exceed what most MMORPGs can handle. A small team of developers have to do a hell of a job in order to land their dream successfully so they can keep working on it and make it a reality.
The truth is that the community needs these kinds of projects. They are hard as hell to make. So many of them fail. We've been at the point where theme park is the only thing anyone dares to do. I think Aventurine is a great company and they have made great decisions. They have only announced one date too. They broke no promise. They announced the release date this january. But, the truth is that noone really knew what the release involved. How it would take place and so on. It turns out that the release has become a release of the client and overall access to mass testing for all players. The beginning of a launch. Something which is supposed to come in stages. The one month delay before everyone can start REALLY playing is nothing. And I am inspired by Tasos' public relations. He seems like a developer worth respecting because he is determined, assertive and strong. I know he's doing the right things with Kjetil and the other guys.
And I can't wait to help do everything in my power to give feedback to this development company. They deserve my help more than anybody else out there. Because of the things I've said and because they are doing something noone else has had the discipline too.
I have recently noticed some hostility from a user named Laurann. He is supposedly a game developer too with numerous titles in his backpack. He seems to be a very angry person and criticizes Aventurine a lot. He believes it's a scam. And there are many of you who think this.
But, I will trust in Aventurine and I admire their effort. They are a company who would work through the holidays. They have said many times they work overtime on a regular basis and that they hold very few vacations. Hell. It's the kind of dedication I need to know a developer will do for me as a gamer. A dev team that does everything in their power. Including carefully choosing a publisher that wont force them to do what is not good for the game. I also want developers who take hard decisions because they know what is best. Sometimes us gamers dont know anything, but pretend to know it all.
So I respect Aventurine. And I think some of you are scared or jealous of the strength and discipline they have shown.
ZtyX
Are you on Aventurine's payroll?
Because this sounds just like the kind of BS that comes out of PR i would expect out of AoC pre-launch.
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
lol
who honestly didn't see this coming?
seriously...who out there thought it was going to be released on time?
I play a lot of games...
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Actually, no. I wasn't the first to say it. Read te thread before typing.
You, however, came out stating completely that he is not involved in any way, shape, or form. So, that burden is, in fact, on you.
And if you were me, you'd know telling me to drop something before I get a definitive answer to a question from someone with knowledge ( apparently you don't hav any or we wouldn't still be debating ) is futile.
I really don't want to be called a "he" anymore
Maybe you should tell them the reasons for the hostility, or link some quotes. I'm SO sick of smaller, competent, fresh, legitimate developers getting burned out of publishing deals, and the fans which help inspire potential developers in the genre getting continuously fucked over because of thieves, bald faced lying wannabe devs, and the idiocy from rabid fanbois that help these gangrenous fucks push their false agendas.
And I can understand that. I don't like this idea either. But, Aventurine is one of those small companies. They just started in 1999 as Razorwax. They worked 4 people in one room to make their dream come true and they have been on their way and kept at it for so long. They are not your enemy. And they have taken the fight up against publisher who want to decide for gaming studios. They have even brought out a new publisher that never published games before. Visual Enterprises SA is new on this scene. This is a good thing.
I really think Aventurine is not the ones you should have a problem. Unless you have some secret knowledge you want to share with us all.
I really believe in their project. I think it's admirable that they can work so dedicated for so many years and still try to do their best. They deserve the anticipation and they deserve the extra money for pre-orders.
Ultimately, if Darkfall turns out to have problems at launch at least I know that Darkfall won't fail. Many players are bound to leave again after they find out how actionpacked Darkfall is. Agon is basically one big battlezone designed for epic clashes in the middle of the map and with naval battles around the map. This world is not for all. I can understand why they didn't anticipate this big of a fanbase. And I can understand if some will leave.
But, actually. I don't think Darkfall has any chance of failing. The money from the initial subscriptions and now the pre-order will carry a long way. It will probably cover their investment so far. Not sure. I didn't do that math. I just know it's a lot of money. And Darkfall has the strength and capacity to work at absolute minimum developer power. All they really need is basically those top developers to continue doing the work they know so well after so many years of fighting for this baby, Darkfall. .. For Darkfall to be successful and for them to be able to hire more staff would be exceptionally wonderful. Imagine the things they could do to the game. Even so. The game is reported to be fun and new. I don't care if it has flaws or run at a low community in 1 year. As long as Darkfall lives I am happy to endure any difficulties with it. It's simply a revolutionary game and deserves to be out there to give a full loot pvp experience without lag to people who want to play in a new 3d world rather than having to resolute to older titles like Runescape or Shadowbane.
2009 is going to be a good year for mmorpgs. 2010 too. Finally, some of the next generation mmorpgs focusing on the sandbox are coming out.
Not going to debate the pro or con DF agenda here.
Only going to toss out a few words on business sense to echo what others have said.
As a company in a volitale industry (MMO's are a very volatile industry right now) you simply can't have this kind of track record. You can't hype a product one year and not release it, then do it again and then again. You -especially- can't do this if you have yet to release any -real- information about your product let alone have failed to go about even basic advertising methods. The DF team continues this trend and considering their game is already targeting a niche audience it just shows a severe lack of understanding on consumer responses.
I'm glad we have a dev team that are devs first and business second, but to not show any kind of foresight like this really doesn't create any brand confidence.
So they have 200,000 beta apps....so? The chances are many, many people have submitted multiple applications. It's not -completely- illogical to go so far as to say 100,000 people could have just submitted 2 apps a piece, though it is unlikely. Either way WAR had what? 600,000 beta apps? I mean I know Aventurine is a small company, but it's not like 200,000 people just all of a sudden submitted apps this week. If they either just completely forgot to plan for that or it took them over an entire -month- to realize it/get approval for the press release then that shows a severe lack of coordination.
Yeah they have a lot of stuff to deal with. A lot of stuff that they listed as reasons for the delay should have been seen coming months ago. I'm not going to call vaporware, but I wouldn't pre-order this. All of you fanbois out there should pull your heads up because it's up to Aventurine to impress you. Right now I honestly get the feeling that these guys -know- that they have a few hundred thousand rabid, frothing fans that will do whatever they want them to. This includes wagging their tails and waiting patiently no matter what happens like a bunch of pathetic puppies.
As consumers we do have the right to demand a certain level of information on a product before we buy it. Aventurine still hasn't even released system specs, retail price and monthly fees associated with the game let alone anything like a list of -basic- skills or abilities. If you heard about this awesome car that was coming out that would have all these nifty sounding features that you want, but as the release day for it got closer and closer and the company wouldn't tell you what the car actually had, it's basic information like gas mileage......would you pay for it in advance or wait until they unveil the finished product? This isn't really any different. In short, DON'T PRE-ORDER THIS GAME until Aventurine releases basic information on what their released product will be.
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Actually, no. I wasn't the first to say it. Read te thread before typing.
You, however, came out stating completely that he is not involved in any way, shape, or form. So, that burden is, in fact, on you.
And if you were me, you'd know telling me to drop something before I get a definitive answer to a question from someone with knowledge ( apparently you don't hav any or we wouldn't still be debating ) is futile.
OK now you are just blatantly trolling or trying in a very bad way to save face.
He is not listed as working there and absolutely no one has ever heard of him there (call the distributors in RO if u dont believe me) and he lives in another country.
Logical conclusion: he is not involved in this project!
So to state again: DAN ANTONESCU FROM MOURNING DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AUDIOVISUAL SA (Darkfall Online's Publisher)
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
Good point. Why are they suddenly not credible just because they have a branch in Romania? It's silly.
So can you go ahead and prove that Dan A works with them and plans to send CD:RW cds out to people who pre-order Darkfall?
I doubt it Tasos or the other devs, especially the 4 guys who been working on the game for a decade now would allow it. Besides. They have a good investor in Spiros. I think he is good for more. They are clearly not rushing things. They have proved time and again that they dont rush things. But, they have shown progress and their client looks fucking amazing in the gameplay trailer and in the Athens Digital Week video by Shaar.
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
In fact, lets see the board of directors. This should be public info there in Romania, where you live, so get to it.
The proof should be up to you since you come with the accusation when there is no reason to believe it apart from someone claiming it. In fact, Laurann. Sorry, I didn't realize you are a woman. I thought you were a man because you seem to be hating so much. Im not used to women being this vicious in gaming circles. I thought it was only for RL.
Why don't you go ahead and explain?
Quote:
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Yes. I completely agree. Good point.
No he is not.
The publishing is done by another company called Visual Enterprises SA. I think you know this.
Guess where that BS company is run from? Also guess who its run by?
OK lets see it
AUDIOVISUAL SA. lets see your proof kid
i'm really excited to see this
watch now.....
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Actually, no. I wasn't the first to say it. Read te thread before typing.
You, however, came out stating completely that he is not involved in any way, shape, or form. So, that burden is, in fact, on you.
And if you were me, you'd know telling me to drop something before I get a definitive answer to a question from someone with knowledge ( apparently you don't hav any or we wouldn't still be debating ) is futile.
OK now you are just blatantly trolling or trying in a very bad way to save face.
He is not listed as working there and absolutely no one has ever heard of him there (call the distributors in RO if u dont believe me) and he lives in another country.
Logical conclusion: he is not involved in this project!
So to state again: DAN ANTONESCU FROM MOURNING DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AUDIOVISUAL SA (Darkfall Online's Publisher)
Um, we're supposed to take your word on a forum?
Why do I need to call them long-distance ( and with an added language barrier ) when you live right there? Are you telling me they have no website showing their directors and employees? There's nothing tangible that you can link here to say definitively that he doesn't work there other than your word?
Okay, 'nuff said.
Let's see your proof, "kid". You say with utmost authority that Antonescu is not involved. So obviously you have the proof yourself, correct?
In fact, lets see the board of directors. This should be public info there in Romania, where you live, so get to it.
The proof should be up to you since you come with the accusation when there is no reason to believe it apart from someone claiming it. In fact, Laurann. Sorry, I didn't realize you are a woman. I thought you were a man because you seem to be hating so much. Im not used to women being this vicious in gaming circles. I thought it was only for RL.
Why don't you go ahead and explain?
Quote:
No it was you two who SHOUTED on the forums that DAN ANTONESCU is involved in Darkfall only because Audiovisual has a Disribution network in Romania.
I told you no, he is not involved with Audiovisual, not listed anywhere as working there and especially not in Greece. You know since the guys working on DnL were French, but in Mauritius I can say that Ubisoft, based in France is a scam company - according to you people's logic -
You started the rumor that Dan was involved, so the burden of proof is on you.
If i was you though, I would just drop it
Yes. I completely agree. Good point.
You realize that you have no credibility at all on any board in these forums after DnL, right? Just checking.
why dont we all just load up, head to greece and kick the shit out of someone at adventurine until some answers are given. nothing like choking someone to an inch of their life to make them talk.
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
Good point. Why are they suddenly not credible just because they have a branch in Romania? It's silly.
So can you go ahead and prove that Dan A works with them and plans to send CD:RW cds out to people who pre-order Darkfall?
I doubt it Tasos or the other devs, especially the 4 guys who been working on the game for a decade now would allow it. Besides. They have a good investor in Spiros. I think he is good for more. They are clearly not rushing things. They have proved time and again that they dont rush things. But, they have shown progress and their client looks fucking amazing in the gameplay trailer and in the Athens Digital Week video by Shaar.
Have faith Alpha Participant (I know which game
) Zytx or w/e your name is.
The whole development of this game and its community relations has been amateurish and unprofessional from the beginning and these traits will be the games downfall.
Imo DA is NOT involved at all
We're talking about another projet, probably another disaster but not about same people.
You' ll find more unprofessionnal people than real professionnals in the world. (Non professionnal are easy to find specially on économic crises times) A few people dreaming about a huge projet without professionnal qualities , funds and contacts to make it. I could call them "old and bad students" dreaming about changing the world in their parent's house but also incompetent and non professionnal "business men". (I don't think the words are appropriate )
Good students , good artists and creatives goes working to Microsoft, IBM , or Blizzard (etc etc etc) never to smallest cies in the world. (I'm not talking about medium or small but professionnal Cies but about smallest and unprofessional ones that's different)
DFO is a pure unprofessional production, nothing has been prepared for launch. (cf Jon's text)
No serious BT, no stress test, no spec. given on this poor and unprofessional website, no payments, no prices for the game, not even details about the size of the client. And what about Internet Security for payment ? Did you think 1 sec about it ? 100% unprofessionnal that's why I suggest you to take CARE before preordering something.
it's not a pb of gaming, of PVP or PVE or world or graphics or gameplay. Adults don't really care about gameplay , they care about security of transactions, etc.
Nothing to see, nothing to try, no security on the website for the moment, no spec = no money.
Easy.
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" I have faith in all good projects because I am not a cynic and a pessimist like Zorvan.
I admire games that try to do things differently for the good of the gamers."
SO I 'm sorry to say but i must admit that you speak and think like a child.
A child thinks everything is real.
And wake up, we're not talking about a Treatment Action Campaign against AIDS but only talking about
A GAME
Tasos isn't Buddhah he isn't the Messiah.
He only wants to make MONEY with a GAME
Think about it .(if you can, not sure)
Oh well......
I had a feeling this would happen, it's a indy developer.
To be honest all you guys that are giving up on DF due to a 30 day push back wouldnt of played the game for long anyway.
If a little thing like a delay bothers you what would you do if you found more then half the promised features missing at launch (something thats common for indy mmos)?
Just move along guys let the niche DF fans have this one all to our selves
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
While I am looking forward and hoping this game will live up to expectations. You would think most people would be over MMo hype by now.
Seriously, it is absolutely amazing how fast something goes viral nowadays and people still get all caught up in the hype.
Remember IT?
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
All i can say is Shit... thats the first thing I said when i saw this post... hell, I think i might be saying this Feb 15 too
, Hopefully i dont have to
It is a network of publishing, has distributors in bulgaria also. Listen, I'm Romanian, I know about Dan since I was there when Mourning went Live
Since I lived in Romania does that make me Dan Antonescu? Since Audiovisual has a distribuitor in Romania that makes it Dan Antonescu's Operation? You know Dracula lived in Romania too, maybe just maybe its a scam to drink the blood of MMORPG enthusiasts around the world...
Good point. Why are they suddenly not credible just because they have a branch in Romania? It's silly.
So can you go ahead and prove that Dan A works with them and plans to send CD:RW cds out to people who pre-order Darkfall?
I doubt it Tasos or the other devs, especially the 4 guys who been working on the game for a decade now would allow it. Besides. They have a good investor in Spiros. I think he is good for more. They are clearly not rushing things. They have proved time and again that they dont rush things. But, they have shown progress and their client looks fucking amazing in the gameplay trailer and in the Athens Digital Week video by Shaar.
Have faith Alpha Participant (I know which game
) Zytx or w/e your name is.
I have faith in all good projects because I am not a cynic and a pessimist like Zorvan.
I admire games that try to do things differently for the good of the gamers.