Hmmm... you of all people, how could you forget WAR? What do you think one of the main selling points of both the CE and SE versions were? Good one, there goes your credibility. WAR PRE-ORDER BENEFITS INCLUDE: OPEN BETA ACCESS
I was in WAR Open Beta without SE or CE...
I ended up doing a pre-order for early access afterwards, but you didn't need to pay anything to take part in WAR open beta.
Dunno, I am skeptical. Seems like Tasos could let in 5 thousand and have "thousands" of players in closed beta. So basically almost all others would have to pay to play the beta.
noo there doing abig stress test meaning 20-40k
And there is a quote to that effect... right?
Cause you're not doing so well with your predictions.
He's right, its probebly going to be super massive big, think about it, public beta was in the hundreds, so we are talking at least a thousand maybe even a few thousand.
no enough to do a stress test and this is what beign said as many as we can manage so that means at least a server full but whatever be thick headed i dont give a shit anymore
Hmmm... you of all people, how could you forget WAR? What do you think one of the main selling points of both the CE and SE versions were? Good one, there goes your credibility. WAR PRE-ORDER BENEFITS INCLUDE: OPEN BETA ACCESS
I was in WAR Open Beta without SE or CE...
I ended up doing a pre-order for early access afterwards, but you didn't need to pay anything to take part in WAR open beta.
Unless you were in the CLOSED beta....this is an outright lie. The ONLY way to get into the "Open Beta" was via pre-order of either the CE or SE, OR....already be in the closed beta.
Okay wait.....you MIGHT have been able to get in if you WON a key, from a gaming forum, but I don't remember on that. And if that was the case, they would have been very limited. I sort of remember MMORPG.com giving out keys to like 50 of the paid forum subscribers or something....
Hmmm... you of all people, how could you forget WAR? What do you think one of the main selling points of both the CE and SE versions were? Good one, there goes your credibility. WAR PRE-ORDER BENEFITS INCLUDE: OPEN BETA ACCESS
I was in WAR Open Beta without SE or CE...
I ended up doing a pre-order for early access afterwards, but you didn't need to pay anything to take part in WAR open beta.
No, you didn't have to pay to get into the open beta. But people who PRE-ORDERD either the CE or SE were GUARANTEED early access to the open beta. When open beta first started, the only people initially in it other than CB testers were people who pre-ordered in the game. Later on, they opened up NEW servers for people who didnt pre-order. But with DF, you're not going to have the satisfaction of "many" servers like with warhammer.
"The pre-orders will get priority for early access to the game. The pre-orders will also get priority for the game launch if we have to go to a staged release."
One more time, he purposely notes pre-ordering gives you two perks, as if they are two separate unrelated events. A head start is directly related to the game launch, so then why differentiate between them in his post? Early access does not mean headstart. It means that you get PRIORITY of acessing the open/closed beta early before a limited amount of people who signed up get in without pre-ordering.
If he meant head start, he would have used that term, and its pretty unviversally understood.
Tasos really chose his words carefully. If you don't pre-order, you're out of luck, no open beta or release for you.
The pre-orders will get priority for early access to the game.
Early access means open beta. Want to ensure your spot in the limited number of available slots on the server, then pre-order.
We need more playtesting data on several features we haven’t had much chance to test externally.
help us stress test our servers and test the final features of the game
This "trial" is simply an extension of the closed beta. There will be no NDA lift, because they are still testing features, adding in new features, patching, etc. Many features will no doubt still be broken, bugged, so there's no way they lift the NDA. Most people will not be able to try the game out and there will not be any reviews out before the pre-orders begin in mid-february.
The pre-orders will also get priority for the game launch if we have to go to a staged release. We’ll go to a staged release only in the case we have more demand than we can handle properly, and until we can upgrade our capacity. The pre-orders are necessary so that we can have some measure of the demand.
Not only are they hinting, he's flat out saying they don't have the capacity to handle anyone who wants to play at release. Even if you were cautious gamer who wanted to wait to hear if the game was any good from those in the limited open beta (early access) directly prior to release, you won't be able to play because you didn't pre-order...
Did you not read the announcement at all and just nitpick things that you could turn negative? That's what it seems like.
1. "Early access" does not have to mean open beta. It could just mean the headstart days that companies often give to their preorders/CE buyers. Neither of us really know which one it is, but either way, an "open beta" that requires you to have preordered the game is not an open beta at all (much like WAR).
2. Are you just getting these ideas out of thin air? They said nothing about lifting the NDA for the trial period which means... nothing. You cannot automatically assume that it means there will be no lift, and even so, why should they feel obligated to? Like somebody else said, with thousands of players in beta after Feb 22, there will inevitably be leaks.
3. Also, "testing final features" does not mean they will be adding in new features during the trial period. I hope they are patching though, because that what we pay MMO devs to do, keep the game updated and new through patches, regardless of what phase its in. You claim that many features will no doubt still be bugged? Where are you getting this information from? How do you know that at all. Even if you are currently in beta, thats an assumption that has no basis whatsoever. Thousands of people will uspposedly be playing by mid Feb, so I'd expect to see some reviews if I were you.
4. Actually yes, he said they might not have enough equipment for all the people who supposedly want to play. How can you blame Aventurine for something like that? They are an independant company who did not expect Darkfall to blow up and garner so much hype. In fact, its likely that they wanted the opposite because they had such terrible PR. Staged release does not mean people awho are not in preorder will never be able to play, it just means they won't be able to play as soon as people who preordered.
Basically, stop taking Tasos' words and changing them into something completely different from what he said to serve your purpose. I'm just as suspicious of Aventurine as you, but to take some innocent claims and feeble try to make them appear guilty is just a bad idea.
Did you not read the announcement at all and just nitpick things that you could turn negative? That's what it seems like.
I nitpick things when they sound suspicious to me. I *hope* I am wrong about everything I've stated, but I think logically and realistically based on my experience and what I've read.
1. "Early access" does not have to mean open beta. It could just mean the headstart days that companies often give to their preorders/CE buyers. Neither of us really know which one it is, but either way, an "open beta" that requires you to have preordered the game is not an open beta at all (much like WAR).
Nope, nobody knows, so I am speculating just like everyone else.
You're wrong about WAR though. Pre-ordering gave you the extra perk of guaranteed, early-access to the open beta. No open beta is truly open if the estimated demand is greater than the supply. That's why comapanies offer you priority to open beta, aka "early access" if you pre-order the game. Thats exactly what Warhammer promised, and DF could do the same, speculation of course.
2. Are you just getting these ideas out of thin air? They said nothing about lifting the NDA for the trial period which means... nothing. You cannot automatically assume that it means there will be no lift, and even so, why should they feel obligated to? Like somebody else said, with thousands of players in beta after Feb 22, there will inevitably be leaks.
3. Also, "testing final features" does not mean they will be adding in new features during the trial period. I hope they are patching though, because that what we pay MMO devs to do, keep the game updated and new through patches, regardless of what phase its in. You claim that many features will no doubt still be bugged? Where are you getting this information from? How do you know that at all. Even if you are currently in beta, thats an assumption that has no basis whatsoever. Thousands of people will uspposedly be playing by mid Feb, so I'd expect to see some reviews if I were you.
Common sense imo. Companies don't lift their NDA until they get to Open Beta, especially if they're as strict as Aventurine has been. They are letting a limited number of people in because they've fallen weeks behind, and they still need to " test the final features of the game", "We need more playtesting data on several features we haven’t had much chance to test externally."
There have been numerous leaks suggesting many features have yet to be tested/turned on in the latest external builds. When anything new is added to a build, there is always going to be bugs, problems, things broken - thats just the nature of MMORPGS. This is how I'm basing my assumption that they won't be lifting the NDA any time soon. They're still in the beta testing process, so no NDA lift Jan 22nd is obvious.. maybe mid feb at the earliest.
Staged release does not mean people awho are not in preorder will never be able to play, it just means they won't be able to play as soon as people who preordered.
Did I ever say they'd never be able to play? I said just not at release, which is very possible if there are a great deal of pre-orders that fill up their limited number of servers they'll have at release.
Basically, stop taking Tasos' words and changing them into something completely different from what he said to serve your purpose.
Basically, I am interpreting Tasos' words in a manner I feel appropriate given the situation and the turn in events. You may not agree, that's fine, but don't tell me what to do or assume you know what my purpose is.
Just the fact that Tasos' words are so confusing is scary enough. It's as if he intentionally made them confusing. "staged release" "early access". What the?? Early access? Who the heck uses a phrase like that? Early freaking access? Why not just say what you mean - "open beta", "free trial", "be the first to be able to play the final release".... see it's not that hard to be clear Mr. Tasos - unless of course you intend to make it confusing.
Nope, stay far away from this one. It stinks to high heaven.
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I was in WAR Open Beta without SE or CE...
I ended up doing a pre-order for early access afterwards, but you didn't need to pay anything to take part in WAR open beta.
noo there doing abig stress test meaning 20-40k
And there is a quote to that effect... right?
Cause you're not doing so well with your predictions.
He's right, its probebly going to be super massive big, think about it, public beta was in the hundreds, so we are talking at least a thousand maybe even a few thousand.
no enough to do a stress test and this is what beign said as many as we can manage so that means at least a server full but whatever be thick headed i dont give a shit anymore
I was in WAR Open Beta without SE or CE...
I ended up doing a pre-order for early access afterwards, but you didn't need to pay anything to take part in WAR open beta.
Unless you were in the CLOSED beta....this is an outright lie. The ONLY way to get into the "Open Beta" was via pre-order of either the CE or SE, OR....already be in the closed beta.
Okay wait.....you MIGHT have been able to get in if you WON a key, from a gaming forum, but I don't remember on that. And if that was the case, they would have been very limited. I sort of remember MMORPG.com giving out keys to like 50 of the paid forum subscribers or something....
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I was in WAR Open Beta without SE or CE...
I ended up doing a pre-order for early access afterwards, but you didn't need to pay anything to take part in WAR open beta.
No, you didn't have to pay to get into the open beta. But people who PRE-ORDERD either the CE or SE were GUARANTEED early access to the open beta. When open beta first started, the only people initially in it other than CB testers were people who pre-ordered in the game. Later on, they opened up NEW servers for people who didnt pre-order. But with DF, you're not going to have the satisfaction of "many" servers like with warhammer.
"The pre-orders will get priority for early access to the game. The pre-orders will also get priority for the game launch if we have to go to a staged release."
One more time, he purposely notes pre-ordering gives you two perks, as if they are two separate unrelated events. A head start is directly related to the game launch, so then why differentiate between them in his post? Early access does not mean headstart. It means that you get PRIORITY of acessing the open/closed beta early before a limited amount of people who signed up get in without pre-ordering.
If he meant head start, he would have used that term, and its pretty unviversally understood.
Early access means open beta. Want to ensure your spot in the limited number of available slots on the server, then pre-order.
This "trial" is simply an extension of the closed beta. There will be no NDA lift, because they are still testing features, adding in new features, patching, etc. Many features will no doubt still be broken, bugged, so there's no way they lift the NDA. Most people will not be able to try the game out and there will not be any reviews out before the pre-orders begin in mid-february.
Not only are they hinting, he's flat out saying they don't have the capacity to handle anyone who wants to play at release. Even if you were cautious gamer who wanted to wait to hear if the game was any good from those in the limited open beta (early access) directly prior to release, you won't be able to play because you didn't pre-order...
Did you not read the announcement at all and just nitpick things that you could turn negative? That's what it seems like.
1. "Early access" does not have to mean open beta. It could just mean the headstart days that companies often give to their preorders/CE buyers. Neither of us really know which one it is, but either way, an "open beta" that requires you to have preordered the game is not an open beta at all (much like WAR).
2. Are you just getting these ideas out of thin air? They said nothing about lifting the NDA for the trial period which means... nothing. You cannot automatically assume that it means there will be no lift, and even so, why should they feel obligated to? Like somebody else said, with thousands of players in beta after Feb 22, there will inevitably be leaks.
3. Also, "testing final features" does not mean they will be adding in new features during the trial period. I hope they are patching though, because that what we pay MMO devs to do, keep the game updated and new through patches, regardless of what phase its in. You claim that many features will no doubt still be bugged? Where are you getting this information from? How do you know that at all. Even if you are currently in beta, thats an assumption that has no basis whatsoever. Thousands of people will uspposedly be playing by mid Feb, so I'd expect to see some reviews if I were you.
4. Actually yes, he said they might not have enough equipment for all the people who supposedly want to play. How can you blame Aventurine for something like that? They are an independant company who did not expect Darkfall to blow up and garner so much hype. In fact, its likely that they wanted the opposite because they had such terrible PR. Staged release does not mean people awho are not in preorder will never be able to play, it just means they won't be able to play as soon as people who preordered.
Basically, stop taking Tasos' words and changing them into something completely different from what he said to serve your purpose. I'm just as suspicious of Aventurine as you, but to take some innocent claims and feeble try to make them appear guilty is just a bad idea.
I nitpick things when they sound suspicious to me. I *hope* I am wrong about everything I've stated, but I think logically and realistically based on my experience and what I've read.
Nope, nobody knows, so I am speculating just like everyone else.
You're wrong about WAR though. Pre-ordering gave you the extra perk of guaranteed, early-access to the open beta. No open beta is truly open if the estimated demand is greater than the supply. That's why comapanies offer you priority to open beta, aka "early access" if you pre-order the game. Thats exactly what Warhammer promised, and DF could do the same, speculation of course.
Common sense imo. Companies don't lift their NDA until they get to Open Beta, especially if they're as strict as Aventurine has been. They are letting a limited number of people in because they've fallen weeks behind, and they still need to " test the final features of the game", "We need more playtesting data on several features we haven’t had much chance to test externally."
There have been numerous leaks suggesting many features have yet to be tested/turned on in the latest external builds. When anything new is added to a build, there is always going to be bugs, problems, things broken - thats just the nature of MMORPGS. This is how I'm basing my assumption that they won't be lifting the NDA any time soon. They're still in the beta testing process, so no NDA lift Jan 22nd is obvious.. maybe mid feb at the earliest.
Did I ever say they'd never be able to play? I said just not at release, which is very possible if there are a great deal of pre-orders that fill up their limited number of servers they'll have at release.
Basically, I am interpreting Tasos' words in a manner I feel appropriate given the situation and the turn in events. You may not agree, that's fine, but don't tell me what to do or assume you know what my purpose is.
Just the fact that Tasos' words are so confusing is scary enough. It's as if he intentionally made them confusing. "staged release" "early access". What the?? Early access? Who the heck uses a phrase like that? Early freaking access? Why not just say what you mean - "open beta", "free trial", "be the first to be able to play the final release".... see it's not that hard to be clear Mr. Tasos - unless of course you intend to make it confusing.
Nope, stay far away from this one. It stinks to high heaven.
You mean Tasos wants us to PAY for Open Beta?
Wow...I'm shocked!
Nothing but a scam. They've reeled everyone in and now they are going to take you money too.