Now there is absolutely no way to disproof the fact that Tasos lied to the community with his "we will never, ever ever ever ever, miss a release date" statement.
There is really no going around this one like many tried to do with his other lies (like they have been in beta since September 2003 I heard), just because he was always vague, the beta was coming "soon" not on date X.
Well this time they did it, they gave a date and missed it. Even after saying they would never do that. I guess they will also take pre-order after saying they hate pre-orders.
Bottom line? Darkfall can be the best game in the universe, but I would not know because trusting these devs seems an higly illogical pursuit and I, for one, will not believe a single word of theirs until I can actually see or hold some tangible product.
Why you have to fly to Greece to have a, highly limited, preview?
Why in the Athens video there are like maximum 5 guys on the screen at once and the rest of the world looked completely empty?
Why we had thousands of people that had played most other MMos (remember WAR? they had versions of the game at EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN gameday out there even before they were in closed beta), still the only previews we have of this game are few, far between and all about starting things?
Let us think about this for a moment. If you, yes, YOU, would be a Darkfall Dev, what possible reason would you have to skirt major media outlet and be so hush hush? Do you fear the competition is going to steal your technology? But you are releasing in a month, why would you care? You are petty and do not want anyone to see the game? that is not professional nor a good decision from any business prospective.
Frankly the ONLY logical answer I could reach is the same as why Funcom did not lift the NDA until the very end and that is "there is something wrong with their product". You make your own conclusions.
Have a nice day.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
How can you say the game is solid when there are no player video leaks AT ALL? Lift the damn NDA before you mention anything about pre order
NDA's don't stop leaks for an actual product. Never have never will.
Anyone should be smart enough to know that they can create a fake account on say My Space and post leaks all day long with no chance of any repercussions from Aventurine.
The only reason you don't have more leaks is either 1) too few people in Beta to really matter or 2) there really is NO product and it is all a sham.
I would also like to comment that the delay Tasos put out is very good news. The game is really solid and just needs some more time. An additional month feels like enough time to me. Far better than releasing it a month early after all these years of waiting. So again, this is very good news and people should be highly positive about it. Darkfall potentially is a game you could play for a very long time, I know I will.
Melee sounds are bugged, melee combat is boring and feels like your just trading blows ( tell me how many melee attack moves are there?). Mounted combat is impossible to do.
Friendly fire is just not going to work in group pvp. Friendly fire is still in the game.
""Solid: I don't think so. Combat is the core of any game. and these issues have been dogging the Dev's for a long time now""
""Time: They have had plenty of time to correct these issues. One more month will not correct them IMO""
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I would also like to comment that the delay Tasos put out is very good news. The game is really solid and just needs some more time. An additional month feels like enough time to me. Far better than releasing it a month early after all these years of waiting. So again, this is very good news and people should be highly positive about it. Darkfall potentially is a game you could play for a very long time, I know I will. "
A lot of us are burned year after year...and this is yet another moment in the storied history of this "game".
I am running out of fingers to count the years....
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
I would also like to comment that the delay Tasos put out is very good news. The game is really solid and just needs some more time. An additional month feels like enough time to me. Far better than releasing it a month early after all these years of waiting. So again, this is very good news and people should be highly positive about it. Darkfall potentially is a game you could play for a very long time, I know I will.
Please post to your 5 reasons to be optimistic about Jan 22 thread. seems odd your posting everywhere but there. Kinda like you can't admit you were wrong.
I respect Darthraiden and Evsia (sp?) because at least they came out and admitted they were wrong in some of their statements. Its the rabid fans that post BS and then won't own up to it later acting like it never happened that makes me laugh.
I would also like to comment that the delay Tasos put out is very good news. The game is really solid and just needs some more time. An additional month feels like enough time to me. Far better than releasing it a month early after all these years of waiting. So again, this is very good news and people should be highly positive about it. Darkfall potentially is a game you could play for a very long time, I know I will.
Just imagine how awsome a delay until march would be! I hope they do that too
The delay is meaningless. It's the reasons fot the delay that are troublesome.
Rather than be a man and own up to the delays himself Tasos resorted to his tried and true method of passing off the blame onto others. They probably get as much communication from Tasos as the fans do.
How much differently would this have been received if he would have started by saying:
"I'm sorry, I wasn't entirely truthful with you before and I resolve to be honest with the fans about the real status of the game from this date going forward. There are many factors that went into DarkFall not being ready at this time, but the ultimate blame is mine.
Please be patient with us as we do everything in our power to bring you the game as quickly as possible. "
All this noise is the fault of the Dev's information need to be provided on a consistent basis in order for people not to substitute their own rumors as perceived facts. The whole we were busy sorry we do not have time crap does not cut it. Hire a PR firm and have them manage client relations this would solve 99% of the problems they have. It’s a fact Dev’s make bad PR and customer relations reps. This game is suppose to be global they need to move past the whole 5 guys with no lives trying to make a cool game and start running things as a professional company or at least make an effort at it.
It really to late now if they have waited to the last minute to go from a dev mode to an Ops mod for this game which seems to be the case as Dev’s also make for poor Ops support and should out source that part and stick to patches and content updates . The smartest thing they could have done might have been a Web cast with some game footage and a comprehensive release of the state of the game. Once it’s out it’s good and bad. Keeping any NDA in place now is only counter productive IMO. Come clean give a real time table for world NA /EU release dates and what players can expect as far as game play at launch and a 3 to 6 month snap shot.
This would no appease everyone but would have quelled most of the natives.
Will Darkfall ever be released? I would say probably yes, but not by Adventurine. I just think they are in way over their heads and now are looking for a bigger dev company to buy them out. This makes the most sense if you sit back and look through all that has transpired.
These guys are small small time. They developed a game in which they probably knew they could and would never have the proper resources to distribute and maintain a mmo of this magnitude.
It seems to me, a theory that i posted in another thread, that they never really cared about nothing more than to build and design the game and build as much hype on it to make some other larger companies stand up and take notice. Sell the whole lot of it and run off like a thief in the night, not really caring one second about the people that want to actually play the damn game.
If you look at all the delay's and pushbacks, this atleast seems like a plausible scenario.
How can you say the game is solid when there are no player video leaks AT ALL? Lift the damn NDA before you mention anything about pre order
NDA's don't stop leaks for an actual product. Never have never will.
Anyone should be smart enough to know that they can create a fake account on say My Space and post leaks all day long with no chance of any repercussions from Aventurine.
The only reason you don't have more leaks is either 1) too few people in Beta to really matter or 2) there really is NO product and it is all a sham.
How can you say the game is solid when there are no player video leaks AT ALL? Lift the damn NDA before you mention anything about pre order
NDA's don't stop leaks for an actual product. Never have never will.
Anyone should be smart enough to know that they can create a fake account on say My Space and post leaks all day long with no chance of any repercussions from Aventurine.
The only reason you don't have more leaks is either 1) too few people in Beta to really matter or 2) there really is NO product and it is all a sham.
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
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LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd? if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong. "Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical." webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm
That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.
BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
You swing...you miss.....strike three....your out.
Dude go back and do some homework. Open beta means just that open to all. NDA's are dropped at this stage if they had one to begin with.
Now if a company comes out and says:
"we are going to have an OB but there will be only a limited amount of spots because we can only handle 20k at this time" Then I guess you could call that a limited trial or limited OB. But I have never heard of any game company running an OB in that way.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Of the few Darkfall beta leaks I have seen, all paint a pretty awful picture. Of course you can't confirm if they are true or not.
Yeah same here...I know alot of people are putting their faith in this game as the next coming of UO but the stuff I ahve seen it looks more like a poor mans Vanguard.......I think alot of people are intrigued by the principles that the game is proposing but the actual implementation of that is what will make or break this game......The beta leaks I have seen on youtube offer little hope for this game, especially when factoring in a rinky dink company as the maker........I think there is an actual game but it wouldnt shock me if its basically the same game they started several years ago...... I jsut have alot of doubts that this wont be much more than a 2002 game being presented in 2009.......
The youtube videos aren't current. They are from 2007. The current vid is on another site frequented by europeans.
Sorry but I think the convention video is on YT also and that was just a few months ago. And it did not shine a very good light on the game IMO.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.
BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.
Ok well putting numbers aside can we at least agree that if the NDA is still up its not a Open Beta?
4 days to the 22nd the NDA is still up, and no word afaik from Aventurine that they are taking it down. I'd say if they were gonna take it down on the 22nd why not take it down now as a positive to offset their recent release news? I'm willing to wait and see though. (though I do kinda hope Downtoearth will chime in with information from his friend.)
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.
BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.
^steaming pile of BS
OB's are for stress testing servers and nothing more. So in order to stress a server you must have it full of people. What they are saying with there limited trial is that they only have one working server so there will be a limit of how many people will get in. Show me a game that had an OB with NDA inforced........none.
You sir have no shame.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA. All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least. A really popular one comes to mind.
And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not. They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language.
Case in point: Google. They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use.
Venge Sunsoar
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA. All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least. A really popular one comes to mind. And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not. They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language. Case in point: Google. They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use. Venge Sunsoar
So are you saying there is no difference between a closed and a open beta? That a limited number of people testing a game under NDA which is most certainly a closed beta is in fact also a open beta? Sorry if I'm being clueless here and missing the point. Personally i feel there must be a difference between the 2 and since people are agrueing its not the numbers in the beta that only left me the NDA?
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.
BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.
^steaming pile of BS
OB's are for stress testing servers and nothing more. So in order to stress a server you must have it full of people. What they are saying with there limited trial is that they only have one working server so there will be a limit of how many people will get in. Show me a game that had an OB with NDA inforced........none.
You sir have no shame.
Man people on these boards have no reading comprehension. I said that if the people who participate in the limited trial are affected by an NDA then the limited trial isn't an Open beta. An open beta can have as many as tens of thousands of people participating like WAR did or as few as 1000s as most F2P MMOs do.
Tasos has said that they have hard capped their servers population at 10,000. Stress testing their servers capacity would mean that they only need a max of 10,000 people in the limited trial/open beta. They are probably going to have less than that. I would guess that they are going to have about 5k-8k people stress testing the server and really that's all they need to stress test a server with a cap of 10k people.
However, if the people who get in are bound by an NDA then its not an Open beta
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA. All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least. A really popular one comes to mind.
And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not. They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language.
Case in point: Google. They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use.
Venge Sunsoar
I said that the definition is made up and probably outdated. Not the word.
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oh yes, this delay is definitly good news.
Now there is absolutely no way to disproof the fact that Tasos lied to the community with his "we will never, ever ever ever ever, miss a release date" statement.
There is really no going around this one like many tried to do with his other lies (like they have been in beta since September 2003 I heard), just because he was always vague, the beta was coming "soon" not on date X.
Well this time they did it, they gave a date and missed it. Even after saying they would never do that. I guess they will also take pre-order after saying they hate pre-orders.
Bottom line? Darkfall can be the best game in the universe, but I would not know because trusting these devs seems an higly illogical pursuit and I, for one, will not believe a single word of theirs until I can actually see or hold some tangible product.
Why you have to fly to Greece to have a, highly limited, preview?
Why in the Athens video there are like maximum 5 guys on the screen at once and the rest of the world looked completely empty?
Why we had thousands of people that had played most other MMos (remember WAR? they had versions of the game at EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN gameday out there even before they were in closed beta), still the only previews we have of this game are few, far between and all about starting things?
Let us think about this for a moment. If you, yes, YOU, would be a Darkfall Dev, what possible reason would you have to skirt major media outlet and be so hush hush? Do you fear the competition is going to steal your technology? But you are releasing in a month, why would you care? You are petty and do not want anyone to see the game? that is not professional nor a good decision from any business prospective.
Frankly the ONLY logical answer I could reach is the same as why Funcom did not lift the NDA until the very end and that is "there is something wrong with their product". You make your own conclusions.
Have a nice day.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Delay is good news for the fanboys :
- they can say that they want about the game
- they create a GIANT overyhype about something no one tried
- it's the victory of viral marketing
- they can imagine DFO will be the Messiah of MMORPGS
The best thing A. can do for their fanbase is to never launch the game.
NDA's don't stop leaks for an actual product. Never have never will.
Anyone should be smart enough to know that they can create a fake account on say My Space and post leaks all day long with no chance of any repercussions from Aventurine.
The only reason you don't have more leaks is either 1) too few people in Beta to really matter or 2) there really is NO product and it is all a sham.
Based on the last 7 years I vote #2
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
Care to prove you have a friend in beta?
I could say I am one of the devs under an assumed name and account here. Prove I am wrong.
Melee sounds are bugged, melee combat is boring and feels like your just trading blows ( tell me how many melee attack moves are there?). Mounted combat is impossible to do.
Friendly fire is just not going to work in group pvp. Friendly fire is still in the game.
""Solid: I don't think so. Combat is the core of any game. and these issues have been dogging the Dev's for a long time now""
""Time: They have had plenty of time to correct these issues. One more month will not correct them IMO""
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
"These are my um thoughts on the matter.....
I would also like to comment that the delay Tasos put out is very good news. The game is really solid and just needs some more time. An additional month feels like enough time to me. Far better than releasing it a month early after all these years of waiting. So again, this is very good news and people should be highly positive about it. Darkfall potentially is a game you could play for a very long time, I know I will. "
A lot of us are burned year after year...and this is yet another moment in the storied history of this "game".
I am running out of fingers to count the years....
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Please post to your 5 reasons to be optimistic about Jan 22 thread. seems odd your posting everywhere but there. Kinda like you can't admit you were wrong.
I respect Darthraiden and Evsia (sp?) because at least they came out and admitted they were wrong in some of their statements. Its the rabid fans that post BS and then won't own up to it later acting like it never happened that makes me laugh.
Just imagine how awsome a delay until march would be! I hope they do that too
Rather than be a man and own up to the delays himself Tasos resorted to his tried and true method of passing off the blame onto others. They probably get as much communication from Tasos as the fans do.
How much differently would this have been received if he would have started by saying:
"I'm sorry, I wasn't entirely truthful with you before and I resolve to be honest with the fans about the real status of the game from this date going forward. There are many factors that went into DarkFall not being ready at this time, but the ultimate blame is mine.
Please be patient with us as we do everything in our power to bring you the game as quickly as possible. "
he's a freaking leaker geniuses! he has more credibility on the subject than all of us combined quit with the mindless flaming
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All this noise is the fault of the Dev's information need to be provided on a consistent basis in order for people not to substitute their own rumors as perceived facts. The whole we were busy sorry we do not have time crap does not cut it. Hire a PR firm and have them manage client relations this would solve 99% of the problems they have. It’s a fact Dev’s make bad PR and customer relations reps. This game is suppose to be global they need to move past the whole 5 guys with no lives trying to make a cool game and start running things as a professional company or at least make an effort at it.
It really to late now if they have waited to the last minute to go from a dev mode to an Ops mod for this game which seems to be the case as Dev’s also make for poor Ops support and should out source that part and stick to patches and content updates . The smartest thing they could have done might have been a Web cast with some game footage and a comprehensive release of the state of the game. Once it’s out it’s good and bad. Keeping any NDA in place now is only counter productive IMO. Come clean give a real time table for world NA /EU release dates and what players can expect as far as game play at launch and a 3 to 6 month snap shot.
This would no appease everyone but would have quelled most of the natives.
Will Darkfall ever be released? I would say probably yes, but not by Adventurine. I just think they are in way over their heads and now are looking for a bigger dev company to buy them out. This makes the most sense if you sit back and look through all that has transpired.
These guys are small small time. They developed a game in which they probably knew they could and would never have the proper resources to distribute and maintain a mmo of this magnitude.
It seems to me, a theory that i posted in another thread, that they never really cared about nothing more than to build and design the game and build as much hype on it to make some other larger companies stand up and take notice. Sell the whole lot of it and run off like a thief in the night, not really caring one second about the people that want to actually play the damn game.
If you look at all the delay's and pushbacks, this atleast seems like a plausible scenario.
NDA's don't stop leaks for an actual product. Never have never will.
Anyone should be smart enough to know that they can create a fake account on say My Space and post leaks all day long with no chance of any repercussions from Aventurine.
The only reason you don't have more leaks is either 1) too few people in Beta to really matter or 2) there really is NO product and it is all a sham.
Based on the last 7 years I vote #2
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
NDA's don't stop leaks for an actual product. Never have never will.
Anyone should be smart enough to know that they can create a fake account on say My Space and post leaks all day long with no chance of any repercussions from Aventurine.
The only reason you don't have more leaks is either 1) too few people in Beta to really matter or 2) there really is NO product and it is all a sham.
Based on the last 7 years I vote #2
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
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GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm
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Yeah I'm glad they pushed WAR back too. So it could become the steaming pile of perfection it is today.
That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.
BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.
Games:
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Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
You swing...you miss.....strike three....your out.
Dude go back and do some homework. Open beta means just that open to all. NDA's are dropped at this stage if they had one to begin with.
Now if a company comes out and says:
"we are going to have an OB but there will be only a limited amount of spots because we can only handle 20k at this time" Then I guess you could call that a limited trial or limited OB. But I have never heard of any game company running an OB in that way.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Yeah same here...I know alot of people are putting their faith in this game as the next coming of UO but the stuff I ahve seen it looks more like a poor mans Vanguard.......I think alot of people are intrigued by the principles that the game is proposing but the actual implementation of that is what will make or break this game......The beta leaks I have seen on youtube offer little hope for this game, especially when factoring in a rinky dink company as the maker........I think there is an actual game but it wouldnt shock me if its basically the same game they started several years ago...... I jsut have alot of doubts that this wont be much more than a 2002 game being presented in 2009.......
The youtube videos aren't current. They are from 2007. The current vid is on another site frequented by europeans.
Sorry but I think the convention video is on YT also and that was just a few months ago. And it did not shine a very good light on the game IMO.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm
That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.
BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.
Ok well putting numbers aside can we at least agree that if the NDA is still up its not a Open Beta?
4 days to the 22nd the NDA is still up, and no word afaik from Aventurine that they are taking it down. I'd say if they were gonna take it down on the 22nd why not take it down now as a positive to offset their recent release news? I'm willing to wait and see though. (though I do kinda hope Downtoearth will chime in with information from his friend.
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This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.
actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.
Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm
That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.
BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.
^steaming pile of BS
OB's are for stress testing servers and nothing more. So in order to stress a server you must have it full of people. What they are saying with there limited trial is that they only have one working server so there will be a limit of how many people will get in. Show me a game that had an OB with NDA inforced........none.
You sir have no shame.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA. All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least. A really popular one comes to mind.
And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not. They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language.
Case in point: Google. They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use.
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So are you saying there is no difference between a closed and a open beta? That a limited number of people testing a game under NDA which is most certainly a closed beta is in fact also a open beta? Sorry if I'm being clueless here and missing the point. Personally i feel there must be a difference between the 2 and since people are agrueing its not the numbers in the beta that only left me the NDA?
Man people on these boards have no reading comprehension. I said that if the people who participate in the limited trial are affected by an NDA then the limited trial isn't an Open beta. An open beta can have as many as tens of thousands of people participating like WAR did or as few as 1000s as most F2P MMOs do.
Tasos has said that they have hard capped their servers population at 10,000. Stress testing their servers capacity would mean that they only need a max of 10,000 people in the limited trial/open beta. They are probably going to have less than that. I would guess that they are going to have about 5k-8k people stress testing the server and really that's all they need to stress test a server with a cap of 10k people.
However, if the people who get in are bound by an NDA then its not an Open beta
I said that the definition is made up and probably outdated. Not the word.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher