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Why is a level 50 fighting for his life against a BIRD?
DeaconX
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Serioulsy... silly creatures should be of no threat by this point but Turbine INSISTS on the repetative grind of annoying creatures. Does NO ONE else find this maddeningly retarded? It's not heroic, it's not 'Lord of the Rings' at all... ugh... gonna go work out a bit and vent the idiocy I'm exposed to in this game off a bit...
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They are magic birds!!
TBH I find it extremely stupid that some small moles, maggots and badgers can get you killed. After about level 30 you should be able to just 1 shot every normal bird and other small creatures.
It's funny but I have thought about this many times. It really is horrible.
What they should do is make it some sort of swarm of birds diving for the character. At least them it would be more interresting and partially more believable.
I feel this is a huge oversight by the LOTRO dev team and it's why they (to my taste) really can't take it to the next level.
I really like the game but some of the design decisions can by trying.
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Even though I play this game currently, this is one of the things that keep me from actually loving this game. I am so sick of fighting wargs, boards, birds, and wolves.
well it would make more sense if it was a big bunch of birds.
also if you take a look at those spies for Saruman (no idea how its spelt) they packed a nasty punch when they wanted to...but they were in a big group.
i think its just lazy on the devs part but it happens in every game.
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LMAO so true!
I've thought of this myself at times.
You kind of expect certain types of mobs at lower levels, but along the way, enemies should sorta "grow up with you", in a manner of speaking.
That is, at some point, the "cute" enemies like birds, insects, etc. should become part of the scenery... maybe threaten you in passing (as an animal that feels threatened *would* do that in real life), but not actually attack .
Or at least, have larger predatory birds attack. I'm level 40+, I should not be running for my life from a psychopathic finch. At least send a crazed hawk or something at me.
So, yeah, I agree. I think they could find better altneratives to some of the mobs in this game.
How about insect swarms? How do you kill a *swarm* of gnat-sized insects by shooting an arrow through them? Do they suffer some kind of spontaneous mass coronary?
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It is lot of troubles to fighting birds but it is very easy for casters or range attacker.
I don't like the sound effect from bird, the worst sound effect was Warg. It is really poor sound effect sounds like a construction building or drilling concrete etc. I have to turn off the sound effect.
With the expansion, I found another terrible sound effect, the Uruk then Morrol.
And the character sound effect also terrible, your avatar cry out even for a scratch or 10 damages. That's those people fighting for Gandalf. Ouch....
There are swarms in Evendim. They stick to anyone close to them and blind them. Really annoying.
As for fighting birds and other vermin. Its there according to lore. Animals play big role in armies of middle earth.
Also if you notice birds for example Crabain or Landroval - are green mobs. These are swarm mobs that are very easily killed...But why not real swarm of several mobs ? Because its really annoying.
Wargs and wolves are dangerous, and yes they grow meaner and bigger - they are sentient beings in LOTR
As for boars. Yes its ridicilous. Even Turbine made jokes about them.
I totally agree. I prefer to see larger animals and relatively more humanoid opponents at higher lvl. And those smaller creatures like badgers, birds only at lower lvl.
Another option would be giving the smaller creatures less morale. It just feels very silly having to hit for so many times at a tiny badger that tries to bite your ankles. Almost makes you want to check if you are fighting with the sharp end of the sword
Well, it is kinda the curse with a level based system. Animals like Wolves and bears can kill a skilled warrior but it is not likely, particulary with the wolfs (I live in Sweden, we have wolfs but the only "known" case about a wolf killing a human is 200 years ago, was a kid and the story might not even be true).
So to make animals like that to have the chanse you must give them levels too. A level based system really doesn't work with the true Tolkien lore (and BTW, how many spells did anyone ever cast in the books? Not many). But LOTRO is just a game, it doesn't really try to make Tolkiens world exactly as it is in the books, just close enough to be fun.
But I still wish they made the game skill based like many RPGs instead of level based, but it is kinda too late now. But you will see stuff like this in any level based game. In a skill based game you can be killed by something wimpy, it is just not likely. In LOTRO a lvl 50 will never get killed by a lvl 1 ever.
Pen and paper games have given us both fast paced simple games like D&D and more realistic skill based games like Runequest, Warhammer and ARS magica. As good as all MMOs are unfortunatly usually based on D&D so you just have to live with that for now. In the future we might see more realistic systems in MMOs, and more diversed ones. But whatever system you would prefer is up to you. But diversity is good, D&D was first but that doesn't make it the best.
And please note that there is a difference between "sandbox" games and "skill based" games. A sandbox is a game where the players do most things themselves without to much NPCs while a skill based game is a game where youre character can get better at stuff but he wont get a lot tougher for that even though he gets harder to hit, the HP usually stays the same or close to the same. In the real world a experienced swordfighter can't defeat loads of enemys alone even if they are untrained.
If a bird can threaten a human who is level 1, then the same bird should be able to increase its strength to level 50 and threaten the level 50 human. Or if not, then that level 1 human shouldn't ever be able to grow into level 50 human either.
While I think that some mobs in Lotro are a bit too small, wich makes it hard to really believe that they are actual challenge, I think that if some creature-class can be a threat at level 1 it should be a threat at lvl 50. To maintain the immersion that I'm not evolving into superhuman who can crunch rock with his bare hands and grind semigods, wich is in truth what I'm evolving into as I level, considering how easily I can kill those level 1 creatures at level 50.
Come to think of it, its not as bad as getting killed by a rabbit in FFXI...lol
I see most agree with the OP, but I have to disagree. Yes, birds are not dangerous for a playing character or does not have a heroic feel to them, but thats not the point. There are enough heroic critters in lotro to go around, so I dont see the problem. But the point is; the birds are dangerous to the people you help/quest for. Being a hero means you sometimes have to do things thats not as heroic. Killing some birds so the dwarf miners can pass safly on the road to the gates of moria is one of them.
I think lotro mix the heroic quests and not-so-heroic quests very well. And thank god lotro doesnt have the boring non-charactimatic mobs, just for the sake of having more mobs.
I see your point but I dont really agree...
I think it makes the world feel more cohesive (?)... Crebain and wolfs will always be a threat to the people in ME no matter what "level" they are... sure it feels abit stupid to kill some birds after you killed a Balrog but most of the high level zones does actually have more "epic" mobs and not alot of boars/wolfs/birds. Eregion is an exception to that but theese are the kind of creatures you would find there so it makes sense. I actually think Turibne is pretty creative with coming up with alot of mobs that sticks to the lore but sill looks cool and are fun to fight and Moria is full of great mobs and it makes the place feel dangerous and epic. (Fiery grims ftw!) Other high level zones like Forochel, Angmar and Misty mountains have alot of cool mobs and not alot of the usual animals to kill
But Im looking forward to killing Crebain and wolfs in Gondor at level 80 aswell because its creates the feeling of a world even if it is constructed by "levels"
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Now you now why I am the sad girl of the verse. Poor game design and poor game play mechanics have killed this genre for me.
Please don't mention the name FFXI, it was nightmare.
Now you now why I am the sad girl of the verse. Poor game design and poor game play mechanics have killed this genre for me.
Been there, done that.
Trust me when I say this; snap out of it and you'll will have fun in MMO's again. Its just a question of attitude and adapting to the "new" games. In other words; The whole -RIP MMORPG- stance will get you nowhere, not even a big e-peen....
I hear you and I see this in every game. Heck, in WOW, I once saw a 16th level Stegosaurus next to a 17th level Gazelle. I'm sorry, but an 8-ton frickin dinosaur ought to be tougher than a deer.
Early EQ (Everquest) actually made a point of making big monsters tough. Other games, including LOTRO, would do well to follow suit; makes the world more immersive and believable.
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No just a regular-arse lil bird...
I'm sorry but anyone actually defending this kind of lazy, idiotic game system deserves the current gen of crap grind mmorpg's...
And rickey boy needs to take his own advice.
Common sense, depth and 'care' will one day find their way into MMORPG development and on that day the fun will outweigh the grind chores. People argue that it's the name of the game for MMORPG's but to me, that's just having a very limited imagination.
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What a silly thread: a mob is a mob, get over it. And I've found all the birds (and bats) in this game ridiculously easy to kill, so I think you really have to be pretty weak to be killed by one. Now, as to the design mechanic of littering the landscape with individual mobs that you have to kill whenever you want to travel anywhere, *that* I could do without!
Are you kidding me? they imported those rabbits from Monty Python and the holy grail,they have FANGS and everything.Heck even Sir Gallahad can't take on one of those ferocious beasts.There is ONLY one solution................................................Bring out the .....HOLY hand grenade !
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I don't think it's a silly thread at all.
A mob shouldn't just be a mob, it should make sense. Otherwise why not just save time and effort and have little cubes with a lvl value above them. We can fight them and no extra effort needs to be put into art design.
As far as the difference between lvl systems and skill systems, It seems to me that you can still expand and improve your skills so I imagine that players with improved skills would have a lot easier time killing harder mobs than players without expanded skill.
In the end, I don't see why they just can't put individual birds as lower lvl mobs and then large swarms as higher lvl for the sake of sense.
I do have to agree with the spacing mobs equally over the terrain as that is equally ridiculous.
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Please don't mention the name FFXI, it was nightmare.
Awwww... does that mean we'll never get that FFXI guide you so righteously declared you would write?
You know, people are funny.
You, Larry2298, spammed the FFXI forums with thread after thread and post after post, complaining repeatedly about... well... everything... a behavior I notice you're repeating here about LoTRO as well.
I also notice some here have already called you on your constant complaining, wondering why you keep playing if you have so many problems with it. Deja vu, eh? Maybe it's a sign that, perhaps, you complain too much... about too much?
Anyway... Several of us in those forums gave you perfectly good and accurate information to help you out... Still, you continued to complain about the same things over and over.
Finally, you insulted those of us who had tried to help - despite your constant complaining - by calling us "fanboy n00bs" who didn't know what we were talking about.
You arrogantly declared you would write a player guide to show us how to play FFXI.
Then you vanished.
And now you come here taking swipes at FFXI, talking about it being a nightmare?
Well, that's rich.
Maybe if you'd stopped your complaining long enough to actually take the advice given to you and learn the game instead of complaining about every damn detail, you would have had an easier time. I guess that's asking too much, though, huh?
Sure it has a different interface than your typical MMO, but the fact that ~500k players are playing the game just fine seems to indicate the problem was on *your* end... not the game's.
Sorry to go off-topic, but the utter nerve to make such a comment warranted a response.
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Get use to worgs/wolfs they were always a danger to everyone, even the fellowship didn't like being near them.
This is well, a mmo thing. Every mmo I play its basicly the same thing at higher levels. Just reskinned and maybe bigger.
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MMORPG's arent supposed to be realistic, no game is. we have video games to be able to experience something we wouldnt be able to otherwise. alot of things in video games dont make sense. katamari damacy's story didnt make sense, but it was a pretty fun game otherwise. i agree with the persons posting on if a person can grow to lvl 60 and be more powerful and still look the same, then a bird should also.