Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Please SOMEBODY make a game like Pre-CU! /moved

ketrineketrine Member Posts: 285

I know it wasn't perfect and I'll probably get flamed, but SWG was really cool in 2004. 
I know so many people who would love to play a game like that again!
So... why isn't anybody making an MMO a lot like that one used to be? 
what do you think?

«13

Comments

  • RooseveltRoosevelt Member Posts: 341

    Too original.

    _____________________________
    At the turn of the century...
    In 2008...
    Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.

    This is his story....

  • ketrineketrine Member Posts: 285
    Originally posted by Roosevelt


    Too original.



     

    if it were about being original we woudn't have so many clones of "that game"

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981

    There are actually two such games in production....

    Both sci-fi , and big clones of old swg



  • Death1942Death1942 Member UncommonPosts: 2,587

    if you do a quick google search using certain words you can quite easily find an almost carbon copy of the game being made.  We arent allowed to discuss it here though.

    MMO wish list:

    -Changeable worlds
    -Solid non level based game
    -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads

  • bobfishbobfish Member UncommonPosts: 1,679

    Earthrise, Fallen Earth, Darkfall, and probably more.

    Try actually reading about what is in development. Though I guess if you are a carebear and scared of PvP you might not like them.

  • admriker4admriker4 Member Posts: 1,070
    Originally posted by bobfish


    Earthrise, Fallen Earth, Darkfall, and probably more.
    Try actually reading about what is in development. Though I guess if you are a carebear and scared of PvP you might not like them.



     

    fps, fps, horrid community.

    i dont see anything resembling SWG pre-cu there

  • rinoamwrinoamw Member Posts: 42
    Originally posted by admriker4

    Originally posted by bobfish


    Earthrise, Fallen Earth, Darkfall, and probably more.
    Try actually reading about what is in development. Though I guess if you are a carebear and scared of PvP you might not like them.



     

    fps, fps, horrid community.

    i dont see anything resembling SWG pre-cu there



     

    What do you mean?  1 out of 3 isn't bad ;)

     

     

     

     

     

    i'm just kidding - i love the SWG community really :)

  • rikiliirikilii Member UncommonPosts: 1,084
    Originally posted by Death1942


    if you do a quick google search using certain words you can quite easily find an almost carbon copy of the game being made.  We arent allowed to discuss it here though.

     

    Why would you not be allowed to discuss an MMO on and MMO site?

    ____________________________________________
    im to lazy too use grammar or punctuation good

  • skychainskychain Member UncommonPosts: 66

    That would be alright, almost like blizzard should really make a server for the Original WoW b4 all the shit Expansions which have now totally ruined the game and the main one of the Game aspect was that of the AWSOME world pvp in Wow now there is minimal World pvp other than the ocasional ganker, but no mass scale battles like in the plauglands and Light Hope chappel and the days of that in wow.

    Played: Archlord, GW, RFO, Knight Online, Silkroad, WoW, Rappelz, shaiya, Flyff, Fury, Space Cowboy, Perfect World Beta, Rakion, sword of the new world, Linage 1 and 2, Savage 1


    Playing: CSS

  • ThatimThatim Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by admriker4

    Originally posted by bobfish


    Earthrise, Fallen Earth, Darkfall, and probably more.
    Try actually reading about what is in development. Though I guess if you are a carebear and scared of PvP you might not like them.



     

    fps, fps, horrid community.

    i dont see anything resembling SWG pre-cu there

     

    Earthrise is not a FPS.

     

    But hey, guess you are to smart to read it, aren't you?

     

    Fallen Earth is a TPS, and DF does have a horrible community. But what is wrong with actually having to aim instead of click, pres 1 - 9...?

  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777
    Originally posted by Thatim

    Originally posted by admriker4

    Originally posted by bobfish


    Earthrise, Fallen Earth, Darkfall, and probably more.
    Try actually reading about what is in development. Though I guess if you are a carebear and scared of PvP you might not like them.



     

    fps, fps, horrid community.

    i dont see anything resembling SWG pre-cu there

     

    Earthrise is not a FPS.

     

    But hey, guess you are to smart to read it, aren't you?

     

    Fallen Earth is a TPS, and DF does have a horrible community. But what is wrong with actually having to aim instead of click, pres 1 - 9...?



     

    Don't you mean "too" smart?  See what you've done?  Your snarky attitude is contagious.

  • SouvecSouvec Member UncommonPosts: 693
    Originally posted by rikilii

    Originally posted by Death1942


    if you do a quick google search using certain words you can quite easily find an almost carbon copy of the game being made.  We arent allowed to discuss it here though.

     

    Why would you not be allowed to discuss an MMO on and MMO site?

    Because of "legal" issues surrounding that particular MMO in development....

  • Zayne3145Zayne3145 Member Posts: 1,448

    The only way another game like this would succeed is if it was developed by a competent Indie outfit (like EvE) and not people with high hopes but ultimately poor execution and understanding of the industry (Darkfall).

    Big publishers see WoW and want a piece of that pie. They're not interested in catering to the hardcore market .. which let's face it, is probably around 20% of the entire market. Everything is geared toward the casual now. Those of use that grew up during the halcyon days of gaming are now grown up with commitments and less time, and the new generation X-Box want simple, instant-gratification gameplay as it's what they've been brought up on and caters to their ADHD mentalities.

     

    image

  • IhmoteppIhmotepp Member Posts: 14,495

    It's been stated many times that if you made a SWG pre clone with Blizzard like polish, it would definitely make money.

    Add a bit more content, less empty world space, fix and complete the RvR type combat system between Rebels and Empire, fix the Jedi class and do something else with it besides make people grind every skill in the game to get it, then you'd have something.

    I don't know the game everyone is referring to that you can't mention becuase of legal problems. Bar Wars? Instead of light sabers you fight with beer bottles. Is that to close to Star Wars?

    image

  • John.A.ZoidJohn.A.Zoid Member Posts: 1,531

    SWGEmu isn't Illegal so aslong as you own the original game and they've spoke to SOE and they can't do anything to shut them down legally........

     

  • TorikTorik Member UncommonPosts: 2,342
    Originally posted by Ihmotepp


    It's been stated many times that if you made a SWG pre clone with Blizzard like polish, it would definitely make money.
    Add a bit more content, less empty world space, fix and complete the RvR type combat system between Rebels and Empire, fix the Jedi class and do something else with it besides make people grind every skill in the game to get it, then you'd have something.


     

    In essence, fix everything that was wrong with pre-CU SWG and people will play the game.  Of course the same thing could be said about AoC or Tabula Rasa.

    I put my time into SWG and quit months before CU.  The game simply did not have anything of substance to hold me.   I loved how you could mix and match what skills you went for and the crafting system was neat (though the UI for it was horrible).  However, once you got the character you wanted there just was nothing of substance to do with it.  You could create a neat entertainer character but then you were pretty much stuck doing the same thing all the time with no way to further evolve.  The final nail was the inability to create alts on the same server.  It completely killed replayability.

  • John.A.ZoidJohn.A.Zoid Member Posts: 1,531
    Originally posted by Torik

    Originally posted by Ihmotepp


    It's been stated many times that if you made a SWG pre clone with Blizzard like polish, it would definitely make money.
    Add a bit more content, less empty world space, fix and complete the RvR type combat system between Rebels and Empire, fix the Jedi class and do something else with it besides make people grind every skill in the game to get it, then you'd have something.


     

    In essence, fix everything that was wrong with pre-CU SWG and people will play the game.  Of course the same thing could be said about AoC or Tabula Rasa.

     



     

    With SWG it's a simple fix though because it wasn't the core mechanics of the game or the lore that wasn't broken but it was aload of small things which hurt the game like Doc buffs and comp armour and Jedi. Just put caps on everything and delete Jedi from the game and make them NPC only.



    With Tabula Rasa noone played it because it wasn uninteresting and another generic shooting sci fi type game. You can't really change the art style and the lore and the core mechanics of the game because you might aswel be making a new one.



    Age of Conan's major flaw is zoning and how you hit a loading screen every 10 seconds and people don't enjoy that. I would be playing Age of Conan right now if it was seamless like WoW and just had a few isntances for kool dungeons. However I doubt that'll ever get fixed because it's part of the design of the game.

     

    So as you see them games died for reasons that are part of the core design and SWG died becuase of poor management.

  • So all you Pre-CU people:

     

    Why aren't you playing Ryzom or Neocron?  Maybe if the people who pined for the fjords of Pre-Cu put their money where their mouth is and support games done in a similar vein then people will take you seriously.

     

    Rather than creating thread #11898383 about how SOE is evil because they released some games on steam.

     

    Frankly I just don't beliueve half the Pre-CU lovers.  I think that they are purely the victim of nostalgia, because they don't seem to act consistently.

  • rikiliirikilii Member UncommonPosts: 1,084
    Originally posted by gestalt11


    So all you Pre-CU people:
     
    Why aren't you playing Ryzom or Neocron?  Maybe if the people who pined for the fjords of Pre-Cu put their money where their mouth is and support games done in a similar vein then people will take you seriously.
     
    Rather than creating thread #11898383 about how SOE is evil because they released some games on steam.
     
    Frankly I just don't beliueve half the Pre-CU lovers.  I think that they are purely the victim of nostalgia, because they don't seem to act consistently.

     

    Actually, most of them are playing WoW.  They don't post on here.

    ____________________________________________
    im to lazy too use grammar or punctuation good

  • Its wierd how people who played EQ1 think it was great and seem to never realized it had a terrible reputation of being extremely nerdy, uncool, and that it sucked yout life away.

     

    Same thing with SWG you get all these people who loved the game and completely forget it had a terrible reputation for being extremely grindy and boring. 

     

    Blizzard would never have made SWG with Blizard like polish.  The Blizzard Polish process would result in game much less boring and therefore disliked by the people who loved SWG.

  • TatumTatum Member Posts: 1,153

    Whats "boring" is subjecive.  Obviously, plenty of people think that an MMO is boring if it's not packed full of static quests.  On the other hand, some people (like me) are bored to tears by questing, no matter how shiny the loot is. 

    My only experience with SWG was during beta.  I'll tell you one thing though, that game was not lacking in the design department, it was extremely ambitious.  It was, however, no where near ready for release.

  • rikiliirikilii Member UncommonPosts: 1,084
    Originally posted by Tatum


    Whats "boring" is subjecive.  Obviously, plenty of people think that an MMO is boring if it's not packed full of static quests.  On the other hand, some people (like me) are bored to tears by questing, no matter how shiny the loot is. 
    My only experience with SWG was during beta.  I'll tell you one thing though, that game was not lacking in the design department, it was extremely ambitious.  It was, however, no where near ready for release.

     

    It still isn't.

    ____________________________________________
    im to lazy too use grammar or punctuation good

  • NeopsychNeopsych Member UncommonPosts: 324

    I wonder how long it would be before the collective nostalia / memory of a game is far greater than thet game actually was.

    If you think about the "when I was your age...." type anecdotes and how they often over-glorify the reality at the time, this must also apply to gaming.

    Have you ever gone back to game from many years ago and found your memories of the experience needed adjusting to a poorer reality?

    To err is human....to play is divine

  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424
    Originally posted by Neopsych


    I wonder how long it would be before the collective nostalia / memory of a game is far greater than thet game actually was.
    If you think about the "when I was your age...." type anecdotes and how they often over-glorify the reality at the time, this must also apply to gaming.
    Have you ever gone back to game from many years ago and found your memories of the experience needed adjusting to a poorer reality?



     

    I went back to DAoC after about 2 years of jumping from MMO to MMO.  I still love it.  Maybe not as much as I used to when I was younger, but imho still the best PvP MMO out there by far.

     

    As for making a Pre-CU SWG, I doubt that will ever happen.  Mythic and DAoC is the only MMO I know of that actually made a "classic" server, which essentially took out an expansion that about 40% of their players didn't want.  Now Mythic is talking about making an Origins server which goes back to the basic game itself.

  • JoliustJoliust Member Posts: 1,329


    Originally posted by Souvec
    Originally posted by rikilii
    Originally posted by Death1942 if you do a quick google search using certain words you can quite easily find an almost carbon copy of the game being made.  We arent allowed to discuss it here though.
     
    Why would you not be allowed to discuss an MMO on and MMO site?


    Because of "legal" issues surrounding that particular MMO in development....

    I don't think it will ever see the light of day. Who knows, maybe it will be finished but who is gonna pony up to $ for those server clusters.

    Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.

Sign In or Register to comment.