Some people here just want to suck the hope and promise out of everything /sigh but I guess that's normal on these boards =/
You're forgetting that it's only the ones who voted for him are looking up at him with hope and promise. It's already been shown that those who didn't vote for him can easily have their views and their needs and their desire for the United States cast aside.
I do have one hope with regards to Obama. I hope the US is still around after his term. If I am wrong, and the man does good, I will gladly admit it.
My main problem with the inauguration and the weeks leading up to it, is that for a person who said "Don't focus on me being black!", the whole frakin' thing has been about "We have a black President! Come watch history in the making!"
No focus on his policy, no focus on the campaign promises/platforms he has already abandoned even before taking the final oath. Just "Come see the black man!"
This Presidency is nothing but a circus show right now, and if Obama had a problem with it, it would have been stopped before now. He's riding the "I'm black" train for all it's worth.
When the country decides they've had enough of him being black, and decides to care about the job he's doing or not doing, then i might give a shit too.
Edit: On the other hand, the next time I hear a black person say they can't get ahead in this world because they're black and being kept down, I'm gonna slap the shit out of 'em and point to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Heh, Obama just killed the argument for gangsta's and ghetto mooches. So maybe his being black does help things a little.
Some people here just want to suck the hope and promise out of everything /sigh but I guess that's normal on these boards =/
You're forgetting that it's only the ones who voted for him are looking up at him with hope and promise. It's already been shown that those who didn't vote for him can easily have their views and their needs and their desire for the United States cast aside.
I do have one hope with regards to Obama. I hope the US is still around after his term. If I am wrong, and the man does good, I will gladly admit it.
Thats fine if people don't have interest in obama and completely understandable. Its the people who feel they need to go around trying to ruin others hope in him who irritate me.
Why take that away from people? Other than to be some degree of a dick.
For the 1 or 2 people that still watch Fox News, they should be dissecting his oath and whining about it for the next 4 years.
Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?
And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.
"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"
"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."
"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."
Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.
Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.
They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.
interesting, i belive briansho was refering to FOX NEWS and not the people that voted against barrack.
ass.
1 whats wrong with foreign aid if it is something that is feesible?
2 still sounds good to me
3 are you a veteran? you cant be. being passive is not a weakness but a strength. who are we retreating from? who are we surrendering to? war should be a last resort not a reflex. i dont want to see any more of MY friends or family dying when there was a better solution (diplomacy, which you apparently do not belive in.)
also with the economy the way it is now do you think that we can really afford to continue with these two wars? i would think the we should reprioritize where our millitary resources. that is what i could get closest to with barrack.
it seems you would destroy this country for a war that we dont need (iraq not afganistan)
sorry everyone else for the rant that just bugged the hell out of me.
A rule I learned a bit ago "Don't discuss politics with new friends.".
Although the inauguration was very nice, the speech especially. Although I'm sure anyone who watched it couldn't suppress the giggles when the Pastor said Obama's two daughters names, Sasha and Maylia (correct me on the names if I'm wrong) with such vigor :P Or when Obama biffed the oath by going ahead of the Chief Justice then forgetting a line.
And you can't deny the man did make a giant step for American civil rights. Now that we got racism out of the way, let's handle America's sexism issue :P
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
Some people here just want to suck the hope and promise out of everything /sigh but I guess that's normal on these boards =/
Some people see the glass as half empty. I think there is always the hope of better times when a new President takes office . I never cared too much for Bush, jr but was willing to give his the benefit of the doubt. As time when on he lost that and many other Americans only because it became clear to the people of this nation that he really was not very effective at bringing people together for a common cause and keeping them together. I think those who don't agree with President Obama should at least give him the benefit of the doubt until he is proven unworthy of it. Some people are still to entrenched in political dogma of Left vs Right, Conservative vs Liberal and need to undersand that because of the problems that face this country and the World we can no longer afford this mindset and it's counter-productive.
Breaking off both wars will not stop the economy from crumbling. Its all those 1.1 trillion other programs that can be cut before the basic constitutional provisions of what the federal government has to provide. The costs of the Rebuilding in Iraq and Afghanistan is grossly overestimated by democrats. Some of them say the costs are the same as the entirity of the military budget. The military is also the biggest industry in this country. Employing a large chunk of americans, offering contracts to defense firms, and selling off old military tech to the US civilian population.
I also like the fact people won't be able to say they are being held down by the man. I hated the fact in school I worked hard and was in the top 5% in the state earning my place in honor classes. While having to share that class with someone who scored in the lower 20th percentile because they are entitled to it.
A rule I learned a bit ago "Don't discuss politics with new friends.". Although the inauguration was very nice, the speech especially. Although I'm sure anyone who watched it couldn't suppress the giggles when the Pastor said Obama's two daughters names, Sasha and Maylia (correct me on the names if I'm wrong) with such vigor :P Or when Obama biffed the oath by going ahead of the Chief Justice then forgetting a line. And you can't deny the man did make a giant step for American civil rights. Now that we got racism out of the way, let's handle America's sexism issue :P
Little naive to think that racism only encompasses the black community.
And you can't deny the man did make a giant step for American civil rights. Now that we got racism out of the way, let's handle America's sexism issue :P
......This was sarcasm, right? please tell me this was sarcasm!
Make a giant step in American Civil Rights?!?.....when?...am i responding to Spike Lee???
Obama ran for office and was elected, this speaks more about the current setting of the American voting population than it does of him, 50 years ago Obama would never gotten his shot reguardless of his issues....Martin Luther King J.R.? HUGE step in American Civil Rights...Obama? more like a soft patter.
Now that we have racism out of the way?......i don't know where you live brother but racism is far from gone here.
For the 1 or 2 people that still watch Fox News, they should be dissecting his oath and whining about it for the next 4 years.
Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?
And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.
"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"
"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."
"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."
Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.
Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.
They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.
interesting, i belive briansho was refering to FOX NEWS and not the people that voted against barrack.
ass.
1 whats wrong with foreign aid if it is something that is feesible?
2 still sounds good to me
3 are you a veteran? you cant be. being passive is not a weakness but a strength. who are we retreating from? who are we surrendering to? war should be a last resort not a reflex. i dont want to see any more of MY friends or family dying when there was a better solution (diplomacy, which you apparently do not belive in.)
also with the economy the way it is now do you think that we can really afford to continue with these two wars? i would think the we should reprioritize where our millitary resources. that is what i could get closest to with barrack.
it seems you would destroy this country for a war that we dont need (iraq not afganistan)
sorry everyone else for the rant that just bugged the hell out of me.
Foreign aid is not our responsibility. We should not provide funding for any country - Palestine, Isreal, Bosnia - you name it. The only time foreign aid should be implemented is in a time of extreme crisis or natural disaster - not a monthly reocurring aid package. We are delivering foreign aid even now during extreme economic times.
Of course social programs and welfare sound good to you because you are probably a recipient of such programs. These programs need to be restructured so people get off their lazy asses and work, not become dependent upon such programs. Expanding the amount, and the time, people can receive unemployment benefits, TANF, and food stamps, for example, only increases reliance upon these programs and big government. This is the socialists agenda - dependence upon government.
Who said anything of the wars? Not I. But I will address that in a moment. Let me ask this. Do you think Russia is downsizing its military>? How about China? China has had a huge expansion of its military with zero transparency. If you think us reducing our arms and downsizing our military is going to create the same attitude for them then you have living in a fantasy land. A strong military now, and in the past for all nations, has secured its indepence and borders. Provide one example of a strong, pacifist nation.
As for the wars. I agree, we cannot continue with them. However, tucking our tail and running is the wrong thing to do and will simply embolden the enemy. Hopefully, good ol' Barry will have the balls to allow the soldiers to fight without the idiots edition of rules of engagement and end this war. But, you are extremely naive if you beleive Obama is not starting a war of his own. He has already hinted at "redeploying" troops to his motherland.
And you can't deny the man did make a giant step for American civil rights. Now that we got racism out of the way, let's handle America's sexism issue :P
......This was sarcasm, right? please tell me this was sarcasm!
Make a giant step in American Civil Rights?!?.....when?...am i responding to Spike Lee???
Obama ran for office and was elected, this speaks more about the current setting of the American voting population than it does of him, 50 years ago Obama would never gotten his shot reguardless of his issues....Martin Luther King J.R.? HUGE step in American Civil Rights...Obama? more like a soft patter.
Now that we have racism out of the way?......i don't know where you live brother but racism is far from gone here.
Let's handle America's sexism issue?...agreed.
you make it sound like any black man could have been elected to office. Ask Jesse Jackson about that.
I wouldnt undermine his efforts through his campaign, because it makes the opposing parties look incredibly incapable.
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My main problem with the inauguration and the weeks leading up to it, is that for a person who said "Don't focus on me being black!", the whole frakin' thing has been about "We have a black President! Come watch history in the making!" No focus on his policy, no focus on the campaign promises/platforms he has already abandoned even before taking the final oath. Just "Come see the black man!"
This Presidency is nothing but a circus show right now, and if Obama had a problem with it, it would have been stopped before now. He's riding the "I'm black" train for all it's worth.
When the country decides they've had enough of him being black, and decides to care about the job he's doing or not doing, then i might give a shit too.
Edit: On the other hand, the next time I hear a black person say they can't get ahead in this world because they're black and being kept down, I'm gonna slap the shit out of 'em and point to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Heh, Obama just killed the argument for gangsta's and ghetto mooches. So maybe his being black does help things a little.
Zorvan you soooo bad,,,,haha
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
I know that racism doesn't just encompass the black community, but I just didn't want to say:
"Not let's handle American's prejudice against Hispanics, those with disabilities, homosexuals, bi-sexuals, and those that choose to live life differently."
Just didn't fit.
And yes, it IS a pretty big leap forward for Civil Rights. It's undeniable really. Yes, it does speak more of those who voted. They're not racist
Is it gone? Hell no.
Is anything I say on these forums going to be overanaylzed and ridiculed because I don't explain everything to great depth and people read much too far into things? Hell yes.
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
And you can't deny the man did make a giant step for American civil rights. Now that we got racism out of the way, let's handle America's sexism issue :P
......This was sarcasm, right? please tell me this was sarcasm!
Make a giant step in American Civil Rights?!?.....when?...am i responding to Spike Lee???
Obama ran for office and was elected, this speaks more about the current setting of the American voting population than it does of him, 50 years ago Obama would never gotten his shot reguardless of his issues....Martin Luther King J.R.? HUGE step in American Civil Rights...Obama? more like a soft patter.
Now that we have racism out of the way?......i don't know where you live brother but racism is far from gone here.
Let's handle America's sexism issue?...agreed.
you make it sound like any black man could have been elected to office. Ask Jesse Jackson about that.
I wouldnt undermine his efforts through his campaign, because it makes the opposing parties look incredibly incapable.
You do realize that Jessie Jackson back in 1984 made remarks against the Jewish community calling them "Hymies" and called New York "Hymietown" right?
That stain does not go away, i don't care how many times he apologized for it....and neither do voters.
He is President. He can't do any worse than the guy that just left. Our economy is shot to hell, our foreign relationships are worse than ever before....Bush and Congress left this country a mess. I kinda feel sorry for Obama because he has a seriously tough job ahead of him.
I know that racism doesn't just encompass the black community, but I just didn't want to say: "Not let's handle American's prejudice against Hispanics, those with disabilities, homosexuals, bi-sexual, and those that choose to live life differently." Just didn't fit. And yes, it IS a pretty big leap forward for Civil Rights. It's undeniable really. Yes, it does speak more of those who voted. They're not racist Is it gone? Hell no. Is anything I say on these forums going to be overanaylzed and ridiculed because I don't explain everything to great depth and people read much too far into things? Hell yes.
Please get off your cross, when you speak in finalities expect people to jump on it....you said that:
"Racism was out of the way"-Incorrect
"A GIANT leap forward for American Civil Rights" is totally different than "pretty big" and nobody denied it...all i said was that it speaks more of the voting community than of Obama, and it does...take Obama with the same education and political stance and see how he fares in 1960's America...he wouldn't have a chance in hell.
Good luck with him - lets hope he does a great job in office and turns your nation around. Let's hope for an American renaissance so you Americans can stop reminding the rest of us of your past glories...
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
For the 1 or 2 people that still watch Fox News, they should be dissecting his oath and whining about it for the next 4 years.
Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?
And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.
"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"
"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."
"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."
Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.
Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.
They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.
interesting, i belive briansho was refering to FOX NEWS and not the people that voted against barrack.
ass.
1 whats wrong with foreign aid if it is something that is feesible?
2 still sounds good to me
3 are you a veteran? you cant be. being passive is not a weakness but a strength. who are we retreating from? who are we surrendering to? war should be a last resort not a reflex. i dont want to see any more of MY friends or family dying when there was a better solution (diplomacy, which you apparently do not belive in.)
also with the economy the way it is now do you think that we can really afford to continue with these two wars? i would think the we should reprioritize where our millitary resources. that is what i could get closest to with barrack.
it seems you would destroy this country for a war that we dont need (iraq not afganistan)
sorry everyone else for the rant that just bugged the hell out of me.
Foreign aid is not our responsibility. We should not provide funding for any country - Palestine, Isreal, Bosnia - you name it. The only time foreign aid should be implemented is in a time of extreme crisis or natural disaster - not a monthly reocurring aid package. We are delivering foreign aid even now during extreme economic times.
Of course social programs and welfare sound good to you because you are probably a recipient of such programs. These programs need to be restructured so people get off their lazy asses and work, not become dependent upon such programs. Expanding the amount, and the time, people can receive unemployment benefits, TANF, and food stamps, for example, only increases reliance upon these programs and big government. This is the socialists agenda - dependence upon government.
Who said anything of the wars? Not I. But I will address that in a moment. Let me ask this. Do you think Russia is downsizing its military>? How about China? China has had a huge expansion of its military with zero transparency. If you think us reducing our arms and downsizing our military is going to create the same attitude for them then you have living in a fantasy land. A strong military now, and in the past for all nations, has secured its indepence and borders. Provide one example of a strong, pacifist nation.
As for the wars. I agree, we cannot continue with them. However, tucking our tail and running is the wrong thing to do and will simply embolden the enemy. Hopefully, good ol' Barry will have the balls to allow the soldiers to fight without the idiots edition of rules of engagement and end this war. But, you are extremely naive if you beleive Obama is not starting a war of his own. He has already hinted at "redeploying" troops to his motherland.
true but when it is feesible you dont think that we should help those in need?
in the past i have been FORCED to accept govement aid, and i can attest to the fact that shit happens.
with the unemployment and forclosure rates as high as they are you dont think it is a good idea to look out for the people that need it? (i agree with you about the people that dont.)
i think that it was you that said ". . . Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender." i assumed you were refering to the war, if i was wrong sorry about that.
but since we are here. . . did i say one thing about disarming? no. i said reprioritizing where our millitary is focused. not reducing anything.
and sadly i cannot name one country that is strong and pacifist. . .and that does not give me much hope for us.
and its not like we are just going to up and pull out tomorrow it will take a while. also we have trained people to defend their own country. and i have a question. when would it be a good time for us to leave?
and i didnt know about the redeploying of the troops to africa so i will do some research before i speak on that fully (but with that continent's recent history i would guess that there is a reason for it.)
im a lazy ass and donf feel like re reading this so if there are spelling errors .. . .oh well lol.
So all you complainers can feel free to voice your opinion on issues there soon. It's one of the great things about being an American, you are free to whine and complain as much as you want over each presidential administration, and this one is just giving you more tools to do it.
He killed it today, happy to see he is in the chair now. He has a hellova lot of work to fix. 8 years of bad dicisions and he gotta do at least a percentage of that in like a year. I'm ready to see how things turn out.
Here is most most objective piece of media regarding Obama I have read to date. Granted, it is not that great, but finally a piece which doesn't kiss his ass, or tear it about without warrant.
"Healthy Skepticism", that is a good word for it. It is indeed healthy to be skeptical when the stakes are so high. It is like online games and your expectations for them. It is healthy to be skeptical about their future, because that helps the developer to keep on their toes on what you want to see .
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You're forgetting that it's only the ones who voted for him are looking up at him with hope and promise. It's already been shown that those who didn't vote for him can easily have their views and their needs and their desire for the United States cast aside.
I do have one hope with regards to Obama. I hope the US is still around after his term. If I am wrong, and the man does good, I will gladly admit it.
My main problem with the inauguration and the weeks leading up to it, is that for a person who said "Don't focus on me being black!", the whole frakin' thing has been about "We have a black President! Come watch history in the making!"
No focus on his policy, no focus on the campaign promises/platforms he has already abandoned even before taking the final oath. Just "Come see the black man!"
This Presidency is nothing but a circus show right now, and if Obama had a problem with it, it would have been stopped before now. He's riding the "I'm black" train for all it's worth.
When the country decides they've had enough of him being black, and decides to care about the job he's doing or not doing, then i might give a shit too.
Edit: On the other hand, the next time I hear a black person say they can't get ahead in this world because they're black and being kept down, I'm gonna slap the shit out of 'em and point to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Heh, Obama just killed the argument for gangsta's and ghetto mooches. So maybe his being black does help things a little.
You're forgetting that it's only the ones who voted for him are looking up at him with hope and promise. It's already been shown that those who didn't vote for him can easily have their views and their needs and their desire for the United States cast aside.
I do have one hope with regards to Obama. I hope the US is still around after his term. If I am wrong, and the man does good, I will gladly admit it.
Thats fine if people don't have interest in obama and completely understandable. Its the people who feel they need to go around trying to ruin others hope in him who irritate me.
Why take that away from people? Other than to be some degree of a dick.
Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?
And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.
"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"
"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."
"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."
Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.
Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.
Paragraph 3 - Pacification. Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender.
They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.
interesting, i belive briansho was refering to FOX NEWS and not the people that voted against barrack.
ass.
1 whats wrong with foreign aid if it is something that is feesible?
2 still sounds good to me
3 are you a veteran? you cant be. being passive is not a weakness but a strength. who are we retreating from? who are we surrendering to? war should be a last resort not a reflex. i dont want to see any more of MY friends or family dying when there was a better solution (diplomacy, which you apparently do not belive in.)
also with the economy the way it is now do you think that we can really afford to continue with these two wars? i would think the we should reprioritize where our millitary resources. that is what i could get closest to with barrack.
it seems you would destroy this country for a war that we dont need (iraq not afganistan)
sorry everyone else for the rant that just bugged the hell out of me.
A rule I learned a bit ago "Don't discuss politics with new friends.".
Although the inauguration was very nice, the speech especially. Although I'm sure anyone who watched it couldn't suppress the giggles when the Pastor said Obama's two daughters names, Sasha and Maylia (correct me on the names if I'm wrong) with such vigor :P Or when Obama biffed the oath by going ahead of the Chief Justice then forgetting a line.
And you can't deny the man did make a giant step for American civil rights. Now that we got racism out of the way, let's handle America's sexism issue :P
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
Some people see the glass as half empty. I think there is always the hope of better times when a new President takes office . I never cared too much for Bush, jr but was willing to give his the benefit of the doubt. As time when on he lost that and many other Americans only because it became clear to the people of this nation that he really was not very effective at bringing people together for a common cause and keeping them together. I think those who don't agree with President Obama should at least give him the benefit of the doubt until he is proven unworthy of it. Some people are still to entrenched in political dogma of Left vs Right, Conservative vs Liberal and need to undersand that because of the problems that face this country and the World we can no longer afford this mindset and it's counter-productive.
Breaking off both wars will not stop the economy from crumbling. Its all those 1.1 trillion other programs that can be cut before the basic constitutional provisions of what the federal government has to provide. The costs of the Rebuilding in Iraq and Afghanistan is grossly overestimated by democrats. Some of them say the costs are the same as the entirity of the military budget. The military is also the biggest industry in this country. Employing a large chunk of americans, offering contracts to defense firms, and selling off old military tech to the US civilian population.
I also like the fact people won't be able to say they are being held down by the man. I hated the fact in school I worked hard and was in the top 5% in the state earning my place in honor classes. While having to share that class with someone who scored in the lower 20th percentile because they are entitled to it.
Little naive to think that racism only encompasses the black community.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
......This was sarcasm, right? please tell me this was sarcasm!
Make a giant step in American Civil Rights?!?.....when?...am i responding to Spike Lee???
Obama ran for office and was elected, this speaks more about the current setting of the American voting population than it does of him, 50 years ago Obama would never gotten his shot reguardless of his issues....Martin Luther King J.R.? HUGE step in American Civil Rights...Obama? more like a soft patter.
Now that we have racism out of the way?......i don't know where you live brother but racism is far from gone here.
Let's handle America's sexism issue?...agreed.
Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?
And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.
"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"
"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."
"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."
Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.
Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.
Paragraph 3 - Pacification. Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender.
They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.
interesting, i belive briansho was refering to FOX NEWS and not the people that voted against barrack.
ass.
1 whats wrong with foreign aid if it is something that is feesible?
2 still sounds good to me
3 are you a veteran? you cant be. being passive is not a weakness but a strength. who are we retreating from? who are we surrendering to? war should be a last resort not a reflex. i dont want to see any more of MY friends or family dying when there was a better solution (diplomacy, which you apparently do not belive in.)
also with the economy the way it is now do you think that we can really afford to continue with these two wars? i would think the we should reprioritize where our millitary resources. that is what i could get closest to with barrack.
it seems you would destroy this country for a war that we dont need (iraq not afganistan)
sorry everyone else for the rant that just bugged the hell out of me.
Foreign aid is not our responsibility. We should not provide funding for any country - Palestine, Isreal, Bosnia - you name it. The only time foreign aid should be implemented is in a time of extreme crisis or natural disaster - not a monthly reocurring aid package. We are delivering foreign aid even now during extreme economic times.
Of course social programs and welfare sound good to you because you are probably a recipient of such programs. These programs need to be restructured so people get off their lazy asses and work, not become dependent upon such programs. Expanding the amount, and the time, people can receive unemployment benefits, TANF, and food stamps, for example, only increases reliance upon these programs and big government. This is the socialists agenda - dependence upon government.
Who said anything of the wars? Not I. But I will address that in a moment. Let me ask this. Do you think Russia is downsizing its military>? How about China? China has had a huge expansion of its military with zero transparency. If you think us reducing our arms and downsizing our military is going to create the same attitude for them then you have living in a fantasy land. A strong military now, and in the past for all nations, has secured its indepence and borders. Provide one example of a strong, pacifist nation.
As for the wars. I agree, we cannot continue with them. However, tucking our tail and running is the wrong thing to do and will simply embolden the enemy. Hopefully, good ol' Barry will have the balls to allow the soldiers to fight without the idiots edition of rules of engagement and end this war. But, you are extremely naive if you beleive Obama is not starting a war of his own. He has already hinted at "redeploying" troops to his motherland.
......This was sarcasm, right? please tell me this was sarcasm!
Make a giant step in American Civil Rights?!?.....when?...am i responding to Spike Lee???
Obama ran for office and was elected, this speaks more about the current setting of the American voting population than it does of him, 50 years ago Obama would never gotten his shot reguardless of his issues....Martin Luther King J.R.? HUGE step in American Civil Rights...Obama? more like a soft patter.
Now that we have racism out of the way?......i don't know where you live brother but racism is far from gone here.
Let's handle America's sexism issue?...agreed.
you make it sound like any black man could have been elected to office. Ask Jesse Jackson about that.
I wouldnt undermine his efforts through his campaign, because it makes the opposing parties look incredibly incapable.
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Zorvan you soooo bad,,,,haha
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
I know that racism doesn't just encompass the black community, but I just didn't want to say:
"Not let's handle American's prejudice against Hispanics, those with disabilities, homosexuals, bi-sexuals, and those that choose to live life differently."
Just didn't fit.
And yes, it IS a pretty big leap forward for Civil Rights. It's undeniable really. Yes, it does speak more of those who voted. They're not racist
Is it gone? Hell no.
Is anything I say on these forums going to be overanaylzed and ridiculed because I don't explain everything to great depth and people read much too far into things? Hell yes.
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......This was sarcasm, right? please tell me this was sarcasm!
Make a giant step in American Civil Rights?!?.....when?...am i responding to Spike Lee???
Obama ran for office and was elected, this speaks more about the current setting of the American voting population than it does of him, 50 years ago Obama would never gotten his shot reguardless of his issues....Martin Luther King J.R.? HUGE step in American Civil Rights...Obama? more like a soft patter.
Now that we have racism out of the way?......i don't know where you live brother but racism is far from gone here.
Let's handle America's sexism issue?...agreed.
you make it sound like any black man could have been elected to office. Ask Jesse Jackson about that.
I wouldnt undermine his efforts through his campaign, because it makes the opposing parties look incredibly incapable.
You do realize that Jessie Jackson back in 1984 made remarks against the Jewish community calling them "Hymies" and called New York "Hymietown" right?
That stain does not go away, i don't care how many times he apologized for it....and neither do voters.
He is President. He can't do any worse than the guy that just left. Our economy is shot to hell, our foreign relationships are worse than ever before....Bush and Congress left this country a mess. I kinda feel sorry for Obama because he has a seriously tough job ahead of him.
Please get off your cross, when you speak in finalities expect people to jump on it....you said that:
"Racism was out of the way"-Incorrect
"A GIANT leap forward for American Civil Rights" is totally different than "pretty big" and nobody denied it...all i said was that it speaks more of the voting community than of Obama, and it does...take Obama with the same education and political stance and see how he fares in 1960's America...he wouldn't have a chance in hell.
Good luck with him - lets hope he does a great job in office and turns your nation around. Let's hope for an American renaissance so you Americans can stop reminding the rest of us of your past glories...
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Barack Obama is now president
May you live in interesting times.
Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?
And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.
"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"
"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."
"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."
Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.
Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.
Paragraph 3 - Pacification. Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender.
They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.
interesting, i belive briansho was refering to FOX NEWS and not the people that voted against barrack.
ass.
1 whats wrong with foreign aid if it is something that is feesible?
2 still sounds good to me
3 are you a veteran? you cant be. being passive is not a weakness but a strength. who are we retreating from? who are we surrendering to? war should be a last resort not a reflex. i dont want to see any more of MY friends or family dying when there was a better solution (diplomacy, which you apparently do not belive in.)
also with the economy the way it is now do you think that we can really afford to continue with these two wars? i would think the we should reprioritize where our millitary resources. that is what i could get closest to with barrack.
it seems you would destroy this country for a war that we dont need (iraq not afganistan)
sorry everyone else for the rant that just bugged the hell out of me.
Foreign aid is not our responsibility. We should not provide funding for any country - Palestine, Isreal, Bosnia - you name it. The only time foreign aid should be implemented is in a time of extreme crisis or natural disaster - not a monthly reocurring aid package. We are delivering foreign aid even now during extreme economic times.
Of course social programs and welfare sound good to you because you are probably a recipient of such programs. These programs need to be restructured so people get off their lazy asses and work, not become dependent upon such programs. Expanding the amount, and the time, people can receive unemployment benefits, TANF, and food stamps, for example, only increases reliance upon these programs and big government. This is the socialists agenda - dependence upon government.
Who said anything of the wars? Not I. But I will address that in a moment. Let me ask this. Do you think Russia is downsizing its military>? How about China? China has had a huge expansion of its military with zero transparency. If you think us reducing our arms and downsizing our military is going to create the same attitude for them then you have living in a fantasy land. A strong military now, and in the past for all nations, has secured its indepence and borders. Provide one example of a strong, pacifist nation.
As for the wars. I agree, we cannot continue with them. However, tucking our tail and running is the wrong thing to do and will simply embolden the enemy. Hopefully, good ol' Barry will have the balls to allow the soldiers to fight without the idiots edition of rules of engagement and end this war. But, you are extremely naive if you beleive Obama is not starting a war of his own. He has already hinted at "redeploying" troops to his motherland.
true but when it is feesible you dont think that we should help those in need?
in the past i have been FORCED to accept govement aid, and i can attest to the fact that shit happens.
with the unemployment and forclosure rates as high as they are you dont think it is a good idea to look out for the people that need it? (i agree with you about the people that dont.)
i think that it was you that said ". . . Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender." i assumed you were refering to the war, if i was wrong sorry about that.
but since we are here. . . did i say one thing about disarming? no. i said reprioritizing where our millitary is focused. not reducing anything.
and sadly i cannot name one country that is strong and pacifist. . .and that does not give me much hope for us.
and its not like we are just going to up and pull out tomorrow it will take a while. also we have trained people to defend their own country. and i have a question. when would it be a good time for us to leave?
and i didnt know about the redeploying of the troops to africa so i will do some research before i speak on that fully (but with that continent's recent history i would guess that there is a reason for it.)
im a lazy ass and donf feel like re reading this so if there are spelling errors .. . .oh well lol.
www.whitehouse.gov/blog/change_has_come_to_whitehouse-gov/
So all you complainers can feel free to voice your opinion on issues there soon. It's one of the great things about being an American, you are free to whine and complain as much as you want over each presidential administration, and this one is just giving you more tools to do it.
Overall, I'm was impressed with him today. He did rather well for a young guy:
1) He was not wearing baggy shorts low enough to show off his underwear, nor tennis shoes, in Januray.
2) He was not wearing a baseball cap with the brim turned sideways, or backwards.
3) No obvious body piercings.
4) He did not mumble his way through his speech.
5) He did not use the words "noob", "troll", "phat loot", "uber", or ask if he could have Dubya's stuff.
6) He did not stuff his face with cheetos and swill energy drinks during the parade.
Overall, I think there is hope for the country for the next four years.......
He killed it today, happy to see he is in the chair now. He has a hellova lot of work to fix. 8 years of bad dicisions and he gotta do at least a percentage of that in like a year. I'm ready to see how things turn out.
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Here is most most objective piece of media regarding Obama I have read to date. Granted, it is not that great, but finally a piece which doesn't kiss his ass, or tear it about without warrant.
news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090121/pl_politico/17714
"Healthy Skepticism", that is a good word for it. It is indeed healthy to be skeptical when the stakes are so high. It is like online games and your expectations for them. It is healthy to be skeptical about their future, because that helps the developer to keep on their toes on what you want to see
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