Imho, Anybody who says Any raiding is "challenging" or "difficult" needs to seriously reconsider their gaming skills. Perhaps they should dus off their NES, Pop in Contra, Battletoads or get a 360 and download Ikaruge to remind themselves that the words "Challenge" and "MMORPG" don't go well together.
The only challenge any mmorpg has is that you need to know what to do. How to actually do it is never challenging.
Unless you've played both titles at a high level do refrain from conjecture. Spliting your raid force into two teams having to defeat both Zek brothers then meeting in the arena in time to face their old man was a challenge.
With the bulk of EQ raids and select WOW encounters challenge and MMORPG does go well together.
Who cares about raiding? If that's your pinnacle, to be able to brag that you were one of 25 or 40 or 100s that managed to take down a dragon or some giant fat lady... then you have stupid goals IMO. Wow isn't arguably hard because of the raid setups - raiding in any game I have played is all about coordinating (and motivating) people, not strategy or tactics or even much gaming skill. It also requires trial and error if you don't have someone that's read the boss script. Just because a raid requires more people and the end boss will kill more of them doesn't make it special or fun or even challenging when you can just pile more numbers into the equation. How is walking up to a dragon, hitting taunt, swinging a weapon and dying in one or two hits (or not ,depending on healers pushing heal buttons) challenging?
Wow is arguably hard because getting to know the ins and outs of some of the classes takes a lot of time and some skill. EQ took time but there were far fewer options for any given character in any scenario. I guess I'm just more of a pvper. Raiding is just a means to an end for me.
WoW has skill? Show me? I would love to see it? If you claim common sense and timing skill that's ok, but no skill to play a class. Lets see, as a mage, all you do is spam 1-2 buttons. Druid tanking, 2-3 buttons. Its all about gear. You do have a point that blizzard tries to involve everyone in different ways, however it's still not hard. What is hard is what many people said in earlier replies...getting the idiots to listen on vent. In Eq there was no vent. It was all by typing. You had to know your class. As a wizard, i knew what nukes I had to use in rotation so I wouldn't pull aggro. I dont keep on spamming, and spamming.
I don't remember the last time I used CC outside of PVP in WoW. I play with a tank who isnt retarded, and we can handle any pull on a heroic, and theres no use for CC in raids.
I played EQ for several years, and being chronically ill during that time period, I played it a lot. After some years in remission, I have been chronically ill for the last 3 years, during which I have played WoW a lot, too. I'm talking 5 to 8 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week, because I hate TV and can only read for so long with my aged eyes, heh.
Anyhoo, after many, many hours on each game, EQ raids were harder, at least in my experience. I'm not knocking Raids in WoW, because they aren't exactly easy, as well do I know, but that's the way it is
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Unless you've played both titles at a high level do refrain from conjecture. Spliting your raid force into two teams having to defeat both Zek brothers then meeting in the arena in time to face their old man was a challenge.
With the bulk of EQ raids and select WOW encounters challenge and MMORPG does go well together.
Download Ikaruga. Seriously, just do it.
You'll know what a Challenge is.
WoW has skill? Show me? I would love to see it? If you claim common sense and timing skill that's ok, but no skill to play a class. Lets see, as a mage, all you do is spam 1-2 buttons. Druid tanking, 2-3 buttons. Its all about gear. You do have a point that blizzard tries to involve everyone in different ways, however it's still not hard. What is hard is what many people said in earlier replies...getting the idiots to listen on vent. In Eq there was no vent. It was all by typing. You had to know your class. As a wizard, i knew what nukes I had to use in rotation so I wouldn't pull aggro. I dont keep on spamming, and spamming.
I don't remember the last time I used CC outside of PVP in WoW. I play with a tank who isnt retarded, and we can handle any pull on a heroic, and theres no use for CC in raids.
I played EQ for several years, and being chronically ill during that time period, I played it a lot. After some years in remission, I have been chronically ill for the last 3 years, during which I have played WoW a lot, too. I'm talking 5 to 8 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week, because I hate TV and can only read for so long with my aged eyes, heh.
Anyhoo, after many, many hours on each game, EQ raids were harder, at least in my experience. I'm not knocking Raids in WoW, because they aren't exactly easy, as well do I know, but that's the way it is