EVE's PVE isnt more boring then almost all PVE in mmorpgs ... go kill X mobs,go kill X mobs with different skin... kill Y mobs who are X mobs with a different tooth.
Yes mate, it really is.
Other games have literally 10's of thousands of different missions to run. Eve has closer to 5.
While in the bad old days there were no quests, with each new generation of MMO's quest design improved.
The go kill X mobs, go kill X mobs with a different skin is actually one generation of quest design more advanced that what Eve's designers have reached. It's a full decade behind current standards in game design.
Really, the designers of this game have made no effort at all to make make any content for this game. It's just a giant player led free form. I doubt they even come into the office.
1/10 for effort.
This game is loved inspite of the designers efforts rather than because of them.
If you say so. I love Eve because of the devs holding true to their vision of the game.
Other games have 10s of thousands of quests you say ? Yeah but they all pull from the same type pool. Go kill X and come back, bring this crap over there to that loser or go use this stupid ass item in this stupid ass spot. Seriously what are these other amazing quests from other games ?
Quests in other games serve nothing more than a distraction from mindless grinding to level. the story behind them is usually pointsless like some dumb bitch who can't walk 20 feet away past some stupid monsters so you have to take her and then when's its done she goes back for the next person to come along and help her out.
Yes Eves missions get boring but no more so than any other games quests. The devs are smart enough to put their efforts into the part of the game that matters.
There's more to PVE in EVE than just kill missions... loads more. You've done about 1/10th of the types of PVE there are if that's all you've done and you haven't even gotten past level 1 missions.
But, yes, PVE is not EVE's strongest suit. If all you want to do is do quest type content? EVE probably isn't for you. At least not yet... they ARE adding more quest style content but it's probably going to be a while before that stuff comes in. I know a bunch is slated for the new expansion coming out. You may want to try back after it hits in March.
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I just went through a 21-day trial. Get up to a missile frigate and ran some missions/complexes. However, this is really not a PvE game, so I won't be subbing. I am mostly a PvE casual kind of gamer looking for a second sci-fi base games. Things go right: - nice looking ships . .finally a sci-fi theme game. - large universe - complex ship rigging system offers customerization Things go wrong (obviously more important in my case); - little PvE content. I was running missions and guess what the agent started to give me REPEATED missions (like the dailies in WOW .. u do the same thing) after the second mission. What gives? That shows very little content. The story missions are fine but they are few and far between. - difficulty curve is not calibrated well .. at least at this early stage of the game. I have a missile frigate and i cream everything without even trying. Everyone is saying Eve is too difficult. It is certainly NOT SO at this early game stage. I never even have my shield depleted for more than 10%. - Combat mechanics is boring .. once again at the beginning of the game. I am sure it may be more interesting later .. but at least right now it is not. All i need to do is to target .. keep at a certain range and fire missiles. I killed whatever thrown at me so fast (usually a few hits) that i really don't need to vary my tactics. I have tried using different type of missiles .. but what is the point when everything die fast. Plus, all i need to do is lock on and fire .. nothing else. I am sure i can get a energy vampire of something .. but at this stage .. there is no need. This is in contrast to other MMO when you get and need to use additional abilities after you level up a bit. It is quite disappointed. I hope Jumpgate Evolution will do better in these issues.
since someone didn't like my initial post... i'll make a different one.
at what point did you join a player corp? everyone that advocates this game states, unequivocally, that if you're not in a player corp, you are NOT going to enjoy the game. period.
what good would it have done you? in a good pve-type corp (read: mission running) you'd have the opportunity to join in on lvl 4 and lvl 5 missions. you would have an entirely different experience than running lvl 1 missions solo.
did you only run lvl 1 missions? you can pretty much start off in a frig with decent skills on day 1, fresh out the box. did you get to lvl 2 missions? lvl 3s?
did you get with any corp-mates that explore and help them on exploration sites?
when you say pve, do you include mining/industry? or is it exclusively missions?
if you were having it so easy in lvl 1s (which you should, when you can start out with up to 800,000 skill points), did you advance to lvl 2s? lvl 3s? that's why there's different levels of missions.
so, which player corp did you join? because, if you're soloing this game, you won't have fun. and yes, there are a number of player corps (heck even alliances), where you can join, and not really have any mandatory ops, nor be forced to join with others... BUT, if you're missioning, you definitely would want to, at least, join in on some level 5 missions.
to the person that didn't like my "i shoot npcs" post... is this one more to your liking? or do you not like it because i point out that anyone not joining a player corp is not experiencing eve in a good fashion, and that bursts your notion of this review being spot on?
if anyone decides that eve IS meant to be a single player game (in the "i'm in my first month of playing eve" context), please do site your reasons why a brand new player should not be in a player-run corp and why that would enable them to have a good time and experience eve as it's meant to be played. mmmkay? thanks in advance.
Ok .. some more info.
1) I did not join a player corp. I am a solo-er so i guess u said it .. eve is not very fun for solo-er.
2) I go up to level 2 complexes but takes too long to grind rep with agents to move to better missions. That is the problem, the progression is NOT designed smoothly. I should be able to get better missions much much sooner. The game is NOT designed around a smooth pve progression.
3) There is too much grinding & time waiting for skills. By the end of the trial, I have enough skills to get into a cruiser and I have the funds to buy one .. but not enough to outfit it.
4) i have tried mining ... very boring .. hated it. Stop soon and go for mission running.
And if you read my post carefully, i don't pretend to know what it is like at "higher progression" since I have no time to get to those. However, the game is NOT very fun for "low level" or early players who want PvE content. And I don't think there is a lot of disagreement on that point.
You mention that mission will start getting fun at L4 and 5. In my view, that would be too long. L4 and 5 needs what? A battlecruiser to get into? That is at least a few weeks, if not month of playing. Plus i want a game where i can solo and have fun from time to time. I am not against grouping but i don't want to force into it.
Why do people come into EVE thinking its a PVE game? And worst, you do it w/o a corp???! Is it just us pvp'ers that have the desire to find a Corp ASAP??? No offense to anyone but come'on this is an MMO. Why play any MMO by yourself? If you do not have real life buddies then make virtual ones ingame. This is why they dump newbies into a newbie corp.
The PVP was really makes this game truly outstanding and so does the Sandbox PVE like Investments / Crafting / Blueprints / Manifacturing / Trading. So that is what I focused on. I avoided the AFK PVE ( mining, missions, ratting) like the plague for the most part. Only did some belt ratting in 0.0 when my funds got low
I didn't. Read my post. But i read that they have ADDED PVE CONTENT .. which is true. So I want to give it a test drive.
Other games have 10s of thousands of quests you say ? Yeah but they all pull from the same type pool. Go kill X and come back, bring this crap over there to that loser or go use this stupid ass item in this stupid ass spot. Seriously what are these other amazing quests from other games ?
Let me see. In Wow, aside from standard kill quest, we got quest that are:
1) ride a dragon and burn down houses
2) ride a giant and smash both minions and bosses
3) disguise into another race and spy
4) bombing runs
5) control a pet, use it as a bomb to blow up as many as possible
6) multiple part quest with kill, collect and additional scripting actions
7) shoot down dragon riders with spear guns
8) follow a wolf to sniff out and kill hidden scouts
9) rescue missions & escort questions
10) and the most amazing one is the one you follow thrall into the undercity fighting the big boss .. a whole scripted story in itself.
And even kill quests have variations. Different mobs have different powers, abilities and some you can use the terrain differently. Quests give incentive to kill different mobs rather than the same one again and again.
There's more to PVE in EVE than just kill missions... loads more. You've done about 1/10th of the types of PVE there are if that's all you've done and you haven't even gotten past level 1 missions. But, yes, PVE is not EVE's strongest suit. If all you want to do is do quest type content? EVE probably isn't for you. At least not yet... they ARE adding more quest style content but it's probably going to be a while before that stuff comes in. I know a bunch is slated for the new expansion coming out. You may want to try back after it hits in March.
I was under the impression that EvE was a "sandbox"..... In a sandbox world, why should I be forced to join a player ran corp to have "fun".... I in theory should be able to play any way I choose.... and still have "fun".... However by Damien7's words, if you do not join a player ran corp that suits your specific "goals" you can't have fun in EvE. Therefore I deem EvE no longer a "sandbox" MMO as it forces a player into a corp/guild/clan to enjoy the game.
A good sandbox should be great no matter if you want to solo your entire time playing or if your in a mega corp. A good sandbox should provide equality to it's pve standards as well as it's pvp standards. Guess that tells you what EvE is not right? That would be a. good and b. a sandbox... <Mod edit>.
I was under the impression that EvE was a "sandbox"..... In a sandbox world, why should I be forced to join a player ran corp to have "fun".... I in theory should be able to play any way I choose.... and still have "fun".... However by Damien7's words, if you do not join a player ran corp that suits your specific "goals" you can't have fun in EvE. Therefore I deem EvE no longer a "sandbox" MMO as it forces a player into a corp/guild/clan to enjoy the game.
A good sandbox should be great no matter if you want to solo your entire time playing or if your in a mega corp. A good sandbox should provide equality to it's pve standards as well as it's pvp standards. Guess that tells you what EvE is not right? That would be a. good and b. a sandbox...
Sandboxes are found out in your backyard. Games however, have varying degrees of sandbox like elements. EVE has a lot of them.
You can solo in EVE if you like, in fact, many people do and enjoy it. All a matter of personal taste I suppose, and in general, most people (not all) find more enjoyment in being part of a like minded corporation, (as with any MMO) however it certainly isn't a requirement.
I disagree with you regarding whether a good sandbox should provide pve and pvp elements equally. In fact, I'll go the other way and say the two are almost mutually exclusive, and that developers are better off focusing on one or the other, and not try to be everything to eveyone. (because you have to make too many compromises)
Ergo, EVE is a good PVP game, therefore a lack of solid PVE can be forgiven. Look to STO or SGW as possible space games that are stronger in the PVE arena.
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EVE's PVE isnt more boring then almost all PVE in mmorpgs ... go kill X mobs,go kill X mobs with different skin... kill Y mobs who are X mobs with a different tooth.
Yes mate, it really is.
Other games have literally 10's of thousands of different missions to run. Eve has closer to 5.
While in the bad old days there were no quests, with each new generation of MMO's quest design improved.
The go kill X mobs, go kill X mobs with a different skin is actually one generation of quest design more advanced that what Eve's designers have reached. It's a full decade behind current standards in game design.
Really, the designers of this game have made no effort at all to make make any content for this game. It's just a giant player led free form. I doubt they even come into the office.
1/10 for effort.
This game is loved inspite of the designers efforts rather than because of them.
If you say so. I love Eve because of the devs holding true to their vision of the game.
Other games have 10s of thousands of quests you say ? Yeah but they all pull from the same type pool. Go kill X and come back, bring this crap over there to that loser or go use this stupid ass item in this stupid ass spot. Seriously what are these other amazing quests from other games ?
Quests in other games serve nothing more than a distraction from mindless grinding to level. the story behind them is usually pointsless like some dumb bitch who can't walk 20 feet away past some stupid monsters so you have to take her and then when's its done she goes back for the next person to come along and help her out.
Yes Eves missions get boring but no more so than any other games quests. The devs are smart enough to put their efforts into the part of the game that matters.
As far as I can see the dev's vision of the game is to get paid for doing very little.
The only part of the games programming which is impressive to me is it's networking. That really is world class.
Do you really think it such a great achievement to add some new items and skills once every blue moon? Think of the man hours involved. They earn a decent wage for doing sod all.
And I agree the bulk of quests are pretty mindless, although as the poster above noted some of them are truely epic. That Warcraft quest he mentioned with Thrall is worth the asking price of the game just for that. (I thought my PC had exploded!). Let alone all the seasonal ones like on Valentines Day etc.
Free for all PvP, grinding and upgrading your toon is just the tip of the iceberg for current gen titles. The player base has become educated. They demand more and more from their quests with each new iteration. Like you no one thinks that is something they are willing to pay for anymore. It's evolved and it's still evolving. Everyone want's more inspired quests, (not just you), and most games studio's endeavour to provide them.
Another good example of how far quests have evolved in MMO's would be Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit zone is great. Really inspired. It connects you to the Tolkein world.
These days PvP quests are derigeur for multiplayer games. Complex scenarios with multiple gameplay objectives is older than America's Army. It's not just PvE questing that has evolved a long way since Eve came out. Players are looking for a more complex PvP experience too.
And while each individual quest may often be pretty limited it is a lot more involving than just grinding or mining. It also provides a great way to provide lore, tell stories, inject humor and even introduce players to the more advanced features of the game at a digestable pace. (Something which Eve sorely lacks). Another thing quests do is link each area of the game to the next driving players to explore all the content.
And that really is the big thing that Eve lacks above all else. Content.
To the poster above, I have no trouble grouping or even raiding without joining a corp. Not in Eve or any other game. I think people who feel limited to clanning up are just light on social skills. Especially when you have spent a good amount of time on any server. I would never dream of limiting my play to just a few players in a corp. I still make my money, I still get fleet combats anytime I can be bothered. I still interact with other players.
Personally I'm a lot happier as an indie. I look upon a guild as a useful gametool. A resource. I can run with the pack if I want to, but I run a lot faster without carrying all that dead weight. Corps are just crutches for slack players looking for a boost in my mind. It brings out the worst in people.
In a sandbox world, why should I be forced to join a player ran corp to have "fun"....
in player corporations are more ppl and is more fun to play in group that play alone
if you like to play alone you can do it and you are free to have your solo fun but this fun is limited on that fact you are alone
also you should start your own thread because this is not about your problems to have fun
Eh... The post was made not to be taken literal, just as a generalization.
I played eve for a few months, joined a player corp, the corp was horrible, the game was boring, and I really didn't feel like putting 6+ months into a ship before I could start having "fun".
I know the argument will be brought up that you don't need to play six months to be competitive in pvp in eve.
Well if you don't wanna be one of these people riding around in a frigate as a "tackler" you do. Who really wants to spend time, slowing down bigger ships for the people that put half their life into eve can blow stuff up.
Nah, not for me really. The game is prolly fun after a year or 2 of training, I just don't have the patience for it.
The PvE in eve is really lacking in all areas. Then again I suppose that is ok because it isn't really a PvE game.
My point in my post was this.
Whenever someone makes a thread saying why they don't like EvE, they get ambushed with a million reasons why they fail in the EvE world.
The OP just said the PvE was lacking and boring. He/She would be right it is. However the OP gets told that if he didn't try to join a nice corp with like minded players he couldn't really enjoy EvE.
Well for EvE to be some great sandbox game as it is supposed to be, the OP shouldn't have to join a corp to have fun, the OP should be able to do whatever the OP wants and still have fun.
All I ever hear out of EvE fans is excuses as to why if your not having fun you fail at "whatever excuse #8723596".
EvE is ok, just not for everyone. I think the OP should just look elsewhere because EvE will never have what he/she wants.
Well if you don't wanna be one of these people riding around in a frigate as a "tackler" you do. Who really wants to spend time, slowing down bigger ships for the people that put half their life into eve can blwo stuff up. Well, we call it teamwork, and while not everyone can carry the ball, you can still be part of the winning team. My character has many different skills, but one of the best things I do is jam people. If they can't target, they can't shoot, my team wins. You can fly a jamming frigate or cruiser in far less than 6 months and play a huge part in deciding the outcome of the fight.
Nah, not for me really. The game is prolly fun after a year or 2 of training, I just don't have the patience for it. - I promise you, there is much fun in EVE in far less than 2 years, however your 6 month estimate might be about right for the point when you start to have some options.(I flew a well fitted stealth bomber at 6 months and the wolfpack I flew with was devestating)
Whenever someone makes a thread saying why they don't like EvE, they get ambushed with a million reasons why they fail in the EvE world.-Because in most cases, they didn't really experience EVE correctly, meaning, their experience was hampered by flying totally solo, or not broadening their horizons.
All I ever hear out of EvE fans is excuses as to why if your not having fun you fail at "whatever excuse #8723596". Again, if a person gave it a good go, and posts good reasons why they don't like it, you won't see much outcry. However the 21 day trial is never enough time to really form a good opinion about EVE and certainly no reason to post those reasons on a forum. Expect fierce counters from such posts.
EvE is ok, just not for everyone. I think the OP should just look elsewhere because EvE will never have what he/she wants. - Which is what I said in one of my first posts in this thread. OP is looking for good quest content, and EVE is defintitely not that game (fortunately from my point of view) If I want to experience a good story, I read a book. In my games I prefer the players make the story.
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In my particular case though, I had much higher aspirations than to be a jammer.
I really wanted to fly a battleship. I trained and trained and trained. Highest I reached was a Caldari Battlecruiser, Drake class. I turned it into missle ship.
However that really isn't what I wanted to do. I wanted a battleship. It became obvious though that the time it would take me to get battleship, and the systems needed to fit it properly, and the time spent gaining enough isk to replace said ship and system if it went down, was more than I really wanted to invest.
Because the general rule of eve is, as anyone who plays it knows, "Never fly something you can't afford to replace".
I guess maybe had I found a good corp instead of shitty corp who was willing to teach me something as opposed to ignoring anything I said. I might have done ok.
However my bad time in EvE due to this made me not want to invest the time needed to reach my goals.
when UO was a sandbox - it had like ooo no quests. people went and did stuff.
out of all of the complaints about UO back then... i do not recall ANYONE ever complaining that they needed quests to do, or that the game was too hard cuz no one was there holding their hands.
but, nowadays, you can't go to any forum (it seems) without someone whining that the game isn't holding their hand enough. i suppose it's possible that an incredibly unimaginative group of players have sprouted and become quite vocal over the past decade?
i have a character that i solo in eve, and have a blast soloing. but if someone is whining they're not having fun; well, either eve isn't for them, or they're part of that unimaginative group, uneducated on the game, or just plain old bad at the game..... for those people, yes, they definitely need to be a part of a good group.
and a "good" corp, may very well have a number of POS in low/null sec, hold space, allow you to be part of roaving gangs, etc. you can't do that solo.
Eve REALLY isn't a game you're going to join a pug and do a raid... that comparison is like comparing apples to tornadoes -- it in no way applies.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Why do people come into EVE thinking its a PVE game? And worst, you do it w/o a corp???! Is it just us pvp'ers that have the desire to find a Corp ASAP??? No offense to anyone but come'on this is an MMO. Why play any MMO by yourself? If you do not have real life buddies then make virtual ones ingame. This is why they dump newbies into a newbie corp.
The PVP was really makes this game truly outstanding and so does the Sandbox PVE like Investments / Crafting / Blueprints / Manifacturing / Trading. So that is what I focused on. I avoided the AFK PVE ( mining, missions, ratting) like the plague for the most part. Only did some belt ratting in 0.0 when my funds got low
I didn't. Read my post. But i read that they have ADDED PVE CONTENT .. which is true. So I want to give it a test drive.
Okay re-read your post and I stand by my original post. You came into EVE Online think it was WoW in space or something.
How can I misread this anyway:
"However, this is really not a PvE game, so I won't be subbing. I am mostly a PvE casual kind of gamer looking for a second sci-fi base games.
- little PvE content. I was running missions and guess what the agent started to give me REPEATED missions (like the dailies in WOW .. u do the same thing) after the second mission. What gives? That shows very little content. The story missions are fine but they are few and far between."
It's called SANDBOX. You dont need those missions to hold your hand. You can AFK those missions anyway.
Why do people come into EVE thinking its a PVE game? And worst, you do it w/o a corp???! Is it just us pvp'ers that have the desire to find a Corp ASAP??? No offense to anyone but come'on this is an MMO. Why play any MMO by yourself? If you do not have real life buddies then make virtual ones ingame. This is why they dump newbies into a newbie corp.
The PVP was really makes this game truly outstanding and so does the Sandbox PVE like Investments / Crafting / Blueprints / Manifacturing / Trading. So that is what I focused on. I avoided the AFK PVE ( mining, missions, ratting) like the plague for the most part. Only did some belt ratting in 0.0 when my funds got low
I didn't. Read my post. But i read that they have ADDED PVE CONTENT .. which is true. So I want to give it a test drive.
Okay re-read your post and I stand by my original post. You came into EVE Online think it was WoW in space or something.
How can I misread this anyway:
"However, this is really not a PvE game, so I won't be subbing. I am mostly a PvE casual kind of gamer looking for a second sci-fi base games.
- little PvE content. I was running missions and guess what the agent started to give me REPEATED missions (like the dailies in WOW .. u do the same thing) after the second mission. What gives? That shows very little content. The story missions are fine but they are few and far between."
It's called SANDBOX. You dont need those missions to hold your hand. You can AFK those missions anyway.
Too bad there is no WOW in space. I will sub in a heart beat. And in fact, even CCP knows that adding content is the direction to go. Don't they promise some more content and revamping the mission system in the expansion?
Sure sure you do not want those content but a lot more people do want those content in a different setting than WOW. Whoever produce that first capture the market.
I state my preference very clearly and CCP *almost* capture me as a subscriber. I will see if they can do that in the next expansion.
It will be an interesting competition between Eve & JGE.
ok only read the first page so if I repeat anything that has already been said, never mind...
But what I would say is, PvE is like a 'job' within eve, you only tend to do it to fund other more fun activities, like PVP, don't like pvp? well there are many other areas you could try, mining, manufacturing and trade (although trade is classed as pvp to some)...
As someone said if your trying to play eve solo, then you are doing it wrong, get a headset, join a corp download a voice server they use or use the ingame one, its a whole new world, and alot more skill is required as you will quickly find out..
Level 1 missions are easy, and have low payouts, so would naturally be the most boring of the lot, if you just sitting there using one ship and one setup, then that is bad, play around try different ships, upgrade to higher level missions and bigger ships..
One thing I would say I have found about EVE, is generally if you find it boring, your doing something wrong, its a sandbox game, you have to make your own fun in most cases, I thought I would never try pvp, but I did and ok I lost some expensive ships and only blew up some cheap ones, but it was fun, but I cannot stress the importance of joining a corp, even if its just a teaching corp like eve university..
Final thing about eve, do your research, use the forums to find out about different parts of the game, before you play, find out more whats available and whether certain parts may live up to your expectations..
Overall a good review, solo missioning on level ones with a missile frigate, will be easy and boring...
ok only read the first page so if I repeat anything that has already been said, never mind...
But what I would say is, PvE is like a 'job' within eve, you only tend to do it to fund other more fun activities, like PVP, don't like pvp? well there are many other areas you could try, mining, manufacturing and trade (although trade is classed as pvp to some)... As someone said if your trying to play eve solo, then you are doing it wrong, get a headset, join a corp download a voice server they use or use the ingame one, its a whole new world, and alot more skill is required as you will quickly find out.. Level 1 missions are easy, and have low payouts, so would naturally be the most boring of the lot, if you just sitting there using one ship and one setup, then that is bad, play around try different ships, upgrade to higher level missions and bigger ships.. One thing I would say I have found about EVE, is generally if you find it boring, your doing something wrong, its a sandbox game, you have to make your own fun in most cases, I thought I would never try pvp, but I did and ok I lost some expensive ships and only blew up some cheap ones, but it was fun, but I cannot stress the importance of joining a corp, even if its just a teaching corp like eve university.. Final thing about eve, do your research, use the forums to find out about different parts of the game, before you play, find out more whats available and whether certain parts may live up to your expectations.. Overall a good review, solo missioning on level ones with a missile frigate, will be easy and boring...
It is not MY job to make a game fun for me. It is a developer's job to make it fun for me. If i have to play a game the "right" way to have fun, hey .. i won't bother since there are plenty of games that i don't have to.
Plus, it is an obviously mistake to NOT make early mission fun. That is where you grab the new comers. Look at all the other successful games. They make the newbie areas *good* to hook players (and some fail to deliver at higher progression).
I have done some research about ship load out and stuff. That was fun but early PvE in the game is not .. and that is too bad because Eve just lost me to its competition.
It is not MY job to make a game fun for me. It is a developer's job to make it fun for me. If i have to play a game the "right" way to have fun, hey .. i won't bother since there are plenty of games that i don't have to. Plus, it is an obviously mistake to NOT make early mission fun. That is where you grab the new comers. Look at all the other successful games. They make the newbie areas *good* to hook players (and some fail to deliver at higher progression). I have done some research about ship load out and stuff. That was fun but early PvE in the game is not .. and that is too bad because Eve just lost me to its competition. Let's see if the new expansion can remedy that.
I seriously doubt the new expansion will remedy it. Sure will it improve the PVE section enjoyment when your doing it probably... but if your only in the game for the PVE side it will still be pretty damn lackluster. Missions are not changing, 99% of current NPCs will not change. Only the New rats and rare spawns will have the better AI/stats and are all in Full PVP space. So if you weren't willing to head out and pvp your still not going to enjoy eve and be stuck with the same basic missions/quests you get in all the MMOs. Just with out the kill 300 boars to get 2 boar feet and instead go here destroy all the ships there. Sad to say but PVE in MMOs in general is extremely poor, there is very few games that you can't go into mental-autopilot during most if not all sections.
What CCP has done with EVE has made a game focused around shooting other people. Everything in the game is focused around that mentality and the only reason any PVE aspects are in the game is to provide assets and material for PVP. That said, and I don't mean this in as an attack on you, But EVE didn't lose you to its competition, it never tried to get you. Even the changes to PVE in the newest expansion that have been announced so far have been to make PVE more like PVP so that PVPers that do it as a method to make income to do PVP enjoy thier time doing PVE more. So the sad truth is that if you play EVE for the PVE you'll end up being a second class citizen for the terms of development and expansions. things that are for PVP will generally get priority over things that are PVE related unless its something that is going to help with PVP.
It is not MY job to make a game fun for me. It is a developer's job to make it fun for me. If i have to play a game the "right" way to have fun, hey .. i won't bother since there are plenty of games that i don't have to. Plus, it is an obviously mistake to NOT make early mission fun. That is where you grab the new comers. Look at all the other successful games. They make the newbie areas *good* to hook players (and some fail to deliver at higher progression). I have done some research about ship load out and stuff. That was fun but early PvE in the game is not .. and that is too bad because Eve just lost me to its competition. Let's see if the new expansion can remedy that.
I seriously doubt the new expansion will remedy it. Sure will it improve the PVE section enjoyment when your doing it probably... but if your only in the game for the PVE side it will still be pretty damn lackluster. Missions are not changing, 99% of current NPCs will not change. Only the New rats and rare spawns will have the better AI/stats and are all in Full PVP space. So if you weren't willing to head out and pvp your still not going to enjoy eve and be stuck with the same basic missions/quests you get in all the MMOs. Just with out the kill 300 boars to get 2 boar feet and instead go here destroy all the ships there. Sad to say but PVE in MMOs in general is extremely poor, there is very few games that you can't go into mental-autopilot during most if not all sections.
What CCP has done with EVE has made a game focused around shooting other people. Everything in the game is focused around that mentality and the only reason any PVE aspects are in the game is to provide assets and material for PVP. That said, and I don't mean this in as an attack on you, But EVE didn't lose you to its competition, it never tried to get you. Even the changes to PVE in the newest expansion that have been announced so far have been to make PVE more like PVP so that PVPers that do it as a method to make income to do PVP enjoy thier time doing PVE more. So the sad truth is that if you play EVE for the PVE you'll end up being a second class citizen for the terms of development and expansions. things that are for PVP will generally get priority over things that are PVE related unless its something that is going to help with PVP.
if that is the case i may just save some time and forget Eve and wait for JGE. At least the developers stated that they are developing PvE content in that game. May be that would be a better space game for the PvE crowd.
It is not MY job to make a game fun for me. It is a developer's job to make it fun for me. If i have to play a game the "right" way to have fun, hey .. i won't bother since there are plenty of games that i don't have to. Plus, it is an obviously mistake to NOT make early mission fun. That is where you grab the new comers. Look at all the other successful games. They make the newbie areas *good* to hook players (and some fail to deliver at higher progression). I have done some research about ship load out and stuff. That was fun but early PvE in the game is not .. and that is too bad because Eve just lost me to its competition. Let's see if the new expansion can remedy that.
Wait what?
You obviously misunderstand the concept of a sandbox MMO, all the devs do is provide you with tools like the ships, station, modules, the mechanics of the game itself..
You then have to go create 'your game' using those tools and within the rules the devs set, sure things can be improved by the devs to change things, but ultimately in a sandbox its up to you to go out there and create your own little bit of fun..
Early missions are 'boring' or easy for a reason, if they were complex and hard, how many players do you think at an early stage would enjoy constantly losing their ships, and therfore struggling to get anywhere in the game early on? If you have only done level 1s, then again thats your fault, for not trying higher level missions, whihc can be harder, but once your skills go up, of course things will get easier, and boring again, just like pve in any other MMO..
EVE online is a great sandbox MMO. because people have to go and make their own game out of the universe that is created, pretty much everything in eve has player influence, the markets, the manufacturing, the pvp, are all mopstly player controlled, because people have found what they like doing in the game and went for it...
DOn't like missioning? try something else, there is alot more to do outside standard pvp that you could do, but what I like is, almost everything you do, can affect other players...
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read the latest devblog and say that again.
Yes mate, it really is.
Other games have literally 10's of thousands of different missions to run. Eve has closer to 5.
While in the bad old days there were no quests, with each new generation of MMO's quest design improved.
The go kill X mobs, go kill X mobs with a different skin is actually one generation of quest design more advanced that what Eve's designers have reached. It's a full decade behind current standards in game design.
Really, the designers of this game have made no effort at all to make make any content for this game. It's just a giant player led free form. I doubt they even come into the office.
1/10 for effort.
This game is loved inspite of the designers efforts rather than because of them.
If you say so. I love Eve because of the devs holding true to their vision of the game.
Other games have 10s of thousands of quests you say ? Yeah but they all pull from the same type pool. Go kill X and come back, bring this crap over there to that loser or go use this stupid ass item in this stupid ass spot. Seriously what are these other amazing quests from other games ?
Quests in other games serve nothing more than a distraction from mindless grinding to level. the story behind them is usually pointsless like some dumb bitch who can't walk 20 feet away past some stupid monsters so you have to take her and then when's its done she goes back for the next person to come along and help her out.
Yes Eves missions get boring but no more so than any other games quests. The devs are smart enough to put their efforts into the part of the game that matters.
There's more to PVE in EVE than just kill missions... loads more. You've done about 1/10th of the types of PVE there are if that's all you've done and you haven't even gotten past level 1 missions.
But, yes, PVE is not EVE's strongest suit. If all you want to do is do quest type content? EVE probably isn't for you. At least not yet... they ARE adding more quest style content but it's probably going to be a while before that stuff comes in. I know a bunch is slated for the new expansion coming out. You may want to try back after it hits in March.
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since someone didn't like my initial post... i'll make a different one.
at what point did you join a player corp? everyone that advocates this game states, unequivocally, that if you're not in a player corp, you are NOT going to enjoy the game. period.
what good would it have done you? in a good pve-type corp (read: mission running) you'd have the opportunity to join in on lvl 4 and lvl 5 missions. you would have an entirely different experience than running lvl 1 missions solo.
did you only run lvl 1 missions? you can pretty much start off in a frig with decent skills on day 1, fresh out the box. did you get to lvl 2 missions? lvl 3s?
did you get with any corp-mates that explore and help them on exploration sites?
when you say pve, do you include mining/industry? or is it exclusively missions?
if you were having it so easy in lvl 1s (which you should, when you can start out with up to 800,000 skill points), did you advance to lvl 2s? lvl 3s? that's why there's different levels of missions.
so, which player corp did you join? because, if you're soloing this game, you won't have fun. and yes, there are a number of player corps (heck even alliances), where you can join, and not really have any mandatory ops, nor be forced to join with others... BUT, if you're missioning, you definitely would want to, at least, join in on some level 5 missions.
to the person that didn't like my "i shoot npcs" post... is this one more to your liking? or do you not like it because i point out that anyone not joining a player corp is not experiencing eve in a good fashion, and that bursts your notion of this review being spot on?
if anyone decides that eve IS meant to be a single player game (in the "i'm in my first month of playing eve" context), please do site your reasons why a brand new player should not be in a player-run corp and why that would enable them to have a good time and experience eve as it's meant to be played. mmmkay? thanks in advance.
Ok .. some more info.
1) I did not join a player corp. I am a solo-er so i guess u said it .. eve is not very fun for solo-er.
2) I go up to level 2 complexes but takes too long to grind rep with agents to move to better missions. That is the problem, the progression is NOT designed smoothly. I should be able to get better missions much much sooner. The game is NOT designed around a smooth pve progression.
3) There is too much grinding & time waiting for skills. By the end of the trial, I have enough skills to get into a cruiser and I have the funds to buy one .. but not enough to outfit it.
4) i have tried mining ... very boring .. hated it. Stop soon and go for mission running.
And if you read my post carefully, i don't pretend to know what it is like at "higher progression" since I have no time to get to those. However, the game is NOT very fun for "low level" or early players who want PvE content. And I don't think there is a lot of disagreement on that point.
You mention that mission will start getting fun at L4 and 5. In my view, that would be too long. L4 and 5 needs what? A battlecruiser to get into? That is at least a few weeks, if not month of playing. Plus i want a game where i can solo and have fun from time to time. I am not against grouping but i don't want to force into it.
I didn't. Read my post. But i read that they have ADDED PVE CONTENT .. which is true. So I want to give it a test drive.
Let me see. In Wow, aside from standard kill quest, we got quest that are:
1) ride a dragon and burn down houses
2) ride a giant and smash both minions and bosses
3) disguise into another race and spy
4) bombing runs
5) control a pet, use it as a bomb to blow up as many as possible
6) multiple part quest with kill, collect and additional scripting actions
7) shoot down dragon riders with spear guns
8) follow a wolf to sniff out and kill hidden scouts
9) rescue missions & escort questions
10) and the most amazing one is the one you follow thrall into the undercity fighting the big boss .. a whole scripted story in itself.
And even kill quests have variations. Different mobs have different powers, abilities and some you can use the terrain differently. Quests give incentive to kill different mobs rather than the same one again and again.
I will. This is one of the games that I follow.
I was under the impression that EvE was a "sandbox".....
In a sandbox world, why should I be forced to join a player ran corp to have "fun"....
I in theory should be able to play any way I choose.... and still have "fun"....
However by Damien7's words, if you do not join a player ran corp that suits your specific "goals" you can't have fun in EvE.
Therefore I deem EvE no longer a "sandbox" MMO as it forces a player into a corp/guild/clan to enjoy the game.
A good sandbox should be great no matter if you want to solo your entire time playing or if your in a mega corp.
A good sandbox should provide equality to it's pve standards as well as it's pvp standards.
Guess that tells you what EvE is not right?
That would be a. good and b. a sandbox...
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Sandboxes are found out in your backyard. Games however, have varying degrees of sandbox like elements. EVE has a lot of them.
You can solo in EVE if you like, in fact, many people do and enjoy it. All a matter of personal taste I suppose, and in general, most people (not all) find more enjoyment in being part of a like minded corporation, (as with any MMO) however it certainly isn't a requirement.
I disagree with you regarding whether a good sandbox should provide pve and pvp elements equally. In fact, I'll go the other way and say the two are almost mutually exclusive, and that developers are better off focusing on one or the other, and not try to be everything to eveyone. (because you have to make too many compromises)
Ergo, EVE is a good PVP game, therefore a lack of solid PVE can be forgiven. Look to STO or SGW as possible space games that are stronger in the PVE arena.
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if you like to play alone you can do it and you are free to have your solo fun but this fun is limited on that fact you are alone
also you should start your own thread because this is not about your problems to have fun
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Yes mate, it really is.
Other games have literally 10's of thousands of different missions to run. Eve has closer to 5.
While in the bad old days there were no quests, with each new generation of MMO's quest design improved.
The go kill X mobs, go kill X mobs with a different skin is actually one generation of quest design more advanced that what Eve's designers have reached. It's a full decade behind current standards in game design.
Really, the designers of this game have made no effort at all to make make any content for this game. It's just a giant player led free form. I doubt they even come into the office.
1/10 for effort.
This game is loved inspite of the designers efforts rather than because of them.
If you say so. I love Eve because of the devs holding true to their vision of the game.
Other games have 10s of thousands of quests you say ? Yeah but they all pull from the same type pool. Go kill X and come back, bring this crap over there to that loser or go use this stupid ass item in this stupid ass spot. Seriously what are these other amazing quests from other games ?
Quests in other games serve nothing more than a distraction from mindless grinding to level. the story behind them is usually pointsless like some dumb bitch who can't walk 20 feet away past some stupid monsters so you have to take her and then when's its done she goes back for the next person to come along and help her out.
Yes Eves missions get boring but no more so than any other games quests. The devs are smart enough to put their efforts into the part of the game that matters.
As far as I can see the dev's vision of the game is to get paid for doing very little.
The only part of the games programming which is impressive to me is it's networking. That really is world class.
Do you really think it such a great achievement to add some new items and skills once every blue moon? Think of the man hours involved. They earn a decent wage for doing sod all.
And I agree the bulk of quests are pretty mindless, although as the poster above noted some of them are truely epic. That Warcraft quest he mentioned with Thrall is worth the asking price of the game just for that. (I thought my PC had exploded!). Let alone all the seasonal ones like on Valentines Day etc.
Free for all PvP, grinding and upgrading your toon is just the tip of the iceberg for current gen titles. The player base has become educated. They demand more and more from their quests with each new iteration. Like you no one thinks that is something they are willing to pay for anymore. It's evolved and it's still evolving. Everyone want's more inspired quests, (not just you), and most games studio's endeavour to provide them.
Another good example of how far quests have evolved in MMO's would be Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit zone is great. Really inspired. It connects you to the Tolkein world.
These days PvP quests are derigeur for multiplayer games. Complex scenarios with multiple gameplay objectives is older than America's Army. It's not just PvE questing that has evolved a long way since Eve came out. Players are looking for a more complex PvP experience too.
And while each individual quest may often be pretty limited it is a lot more involving than just grinding or mining. It also provides a great way to provide lore, tell stories, inject humor and even introduce players to the more advanced features of the game at a digestable pace. (Something which Eve sorely lacks). Another thing quests do is link each area of the game to the next driving players to explore all the content.
And that really is the big thing that Eve lacks above all else. Content.
To the poster above, I have no trouble grouping or even raiding without joining a corp. Not in Eve or any other game. I think people who feel limited to clanning up are just light on social skills. Especially when you have spent a good amount of time on any server. I would never dream of limiting my play to just a few players in a corp. I still make my money, I still get fleet combats anytime I can be bothered. I still interact with other players.
Personally I'm a lot happier as an indie. I look upon a guild as a useful gametool. A resource. I can run with the pack if I want to, but I run a lot faster without carrying all that dead weight. Corps are just crutches for slack players looking for a boost in my mind. It brings out the worst in people.
if you like to play alone you can do it and you are free to have your solo fun but this fun is limited on that fact you are alone
also you should start your own thread because this is not about your problems to have fun
Eh... The post was made not to be taken literal, just as a generalization.
I played eve for a few months, joined a player corp, the corp was horrible, the game was boring, and I really didn't feel like putting 6+ months into a ship before I could start having "fun".
I know the argument will be brought up that you don't need to play six months to be competitive in pvp in eve.
Well if you don't wanna be one of these people riding around in a frigate as a "tackler" you do. Who really wants to spend time, slowing down bigger ships for the people that put half their life into eve can blow stuff up.
Nah, not for me really. The game is prolly fun after a year or 2 of training, I just don't have the patience for it.
The PvE in eve is really lacking in all areas. Then again I suppose that is ok because it isn't really a PvE game.
My point in my post was this.
Whenever someone makes a thread saying why they don't like EvE, they get ambushed with a million reasons why they fail in the EvE world.
The OP just said the PvE was lacking and boring. He/She would be right it is. However the OP gets told that if he didn't try to join a nice corp with like minded players he couldn't really enjoy EvE.
Well for EvE to be some great sandbox game as it is supposed to be, the OP shouldn't have to join a corp to have fun, the OP should be able to do whatever the OP wants and still have fun.
All I ever hear out of EvE fans is excuses as to why if your not having fun you fail at "whatever excuse #8723596".
EvE is ok, just not for everyone. I think the OP should just look elsewhere because EvE will never have what he/she wants.
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Yeah I understand what your saying.
In my particular case though, I had much higher aspirations than to be a jammer.
I really wanted to fly a battleship. I trained and trained and trained. Highest I reached was a Caldari Battlecruiser, Drake class. I turned it into missle ship.
However that really isn't what I wanted to do. I wanted a battleship. It became obvious though that the time it would take me to get battleship, and the systems needed to fit it properly, and the time spent gaining enough isk to replace said ship and system if it went down, was more than I really wanted to invest.
Because the general rule of eve is, as anyone who plays it knows, "Never fly something you can't afford to replace".
I guess maybe had I found a good corp instead of shitty corp who was willing to teach me something as opposed to ignoring anything I said. I might have done ok.
However my bad time in EvE due to this made me not want to invest the time needed to reach my goals.
Oh well.
when UO was a sandbox - it had like ooo no quests. people went and did stuff.
out of all of the complaints about UO back then... i do not recall ANYONE ever complaining that they needed quests to do, or that the game was too hard cuz no one was there holding their hands.
but, nowadays, you can't go to any forum (it seems) without someone whining that the game isn't holding their hand enough. i suppose it's possible that an incredibly unimaginative group of players have sprouted and become quite vocal over the past decade?
i have a character that i solo in eve, and have a blast soloing. but if someone is whining they're not having fun; well, either eve isn't for them, or they're part of that unimaginative group, uneducated on the game, or just plain old bad at the game..... for those people, yes, they definitely need to be a part of a good group.
and a "good" corp, may very well have a number of POS in low/null sec, hold space, allow you to be part of roaving gangs, etc. you can't do that solo.
Eve REALLY isn't a game you're going to join a pug and do a raid... that comparison is like comparing apples to tornadoes -- it in no way applies.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I truly love listening to the "Elves, Fairies and Orcs" mmo players, and hearing why EVE is a failure.
Thanks for the chuckles.
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I didn't. Read my post. But i read that they have ADDED PVE CONTENT .. which is true. So I want to give it a test drive.
Okay re-read your post and I stand by my original post. You came into EVE Online think it was WoW in space or something.
How can I misread this anyway:
"However, this is really not a PvE game, so I won't be subbing. I am mostly a PvE casual kind of gamer looking for a second sci-fi base games.
- little PvE content. I was running missions and guess what the agent started to give me REPEATED missions (like the dailies in WOW .. u do the same thing) after the second mission. What gives? That shows very little content. The story missions are fine but they are few and far between."
It's called SANDBOX. You dont need those missions to hold your hand. You can AFK those missions anyway.
I didn't. Read my post. But i read that they have ADDED PVE CONTENT .. which is true. So I want to give it a test drive.
Okay re-read your post and I stand by my original post. You came into EVE Online think it was WoW in space or something.
How can I misread this anyway:
"However, this is really not a PvE game, so I won't be subbing. I am mostly a PvE casual kind of gamer looking for a second sci-fi base games.
- little PvE content. I was running missions and guess what the agent started to give me REPEATED missions (like the dailies in WOW .. u do the same thing) after the second mission. What gives? That shows very little content. The story missions are fine but they are few and far between."
It's called SANDBOX. You dont need those missions to hold your hand. You can AFK those missions anyway.
Too bad there is no WOW in space. I will sub in a heart beat. And in fact, even CCP knows that adding content is the direction to go. Don't they promise some more content and revamping the mission system in the expansion?
Sure sure you do not want those content but a lot more people do want those content in a different setting than WOW. Whoever produce that first capture the market.
I state my preference very clearly and CCP *almost* capture me as a subscriber. I will see if they can do that in the next expansion.
It will be an interesting competition between Eve & JGE.
the next expansion is looking epic.
it even has some good stuff for carebears.
ok only read the first page so if I repeat anything that has already been said, never mind...
But what I would say is, PvE is like a 'job' within eve, you only tend to do it to fund other more fun activities, like PVP, don't like pvp? well there are many other areas you could try, mining, manufacturing and trade (although trade is classed as pvp to some)...
As someone said if your trying to play eve solo, then you are doing it wrong, get a headset, join a corp download a voice server they use or use the ingame one, its a whole new world, and alot more skill is required as you will quickly find out..
Level 1 missions are easy, and have low payouts, so would naturally be the most boring of the lot, if you just sitting there using one ship and one setup, then that is bad, play around try different ships, upgrade to higher level missions and bigger ships..
One thing I would say I have found about EVE, is generally if you find it boring, your doing something wrong, its a sandbox game, you have to make your own fun in most cases, I thought I would never try pvp, but I did and ok I lost some expensive ships and only blew up some cheap ones, but it was fun, but I cannot stress the importance of joining a corp, even if its just a teaching corp like eve university..
Final thing about eve, do your research, use the forums to find out about different parts of the game, before you play, find out more whats available and whether certain parts may live up to your expectations..
Overall a good review, solo missioning on level ones with a missile frigate, will be easy and boring...
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It is not MY job to make a game fun for me. It is a developer's job to make it fun for me. If i have to play a game the "right" way to have fun, hey .. i won't bother since there are plenty of games that i don't have to.
Plus, it is an obviously mistake to NOT make early mission fun. That is where you grab the new comers. Look at all the other successful games. They make the newbie areas *good* to hook players (and some fail to deliver at higher progression).
I have done some research about ship load out and stuff. That was fun but early PvE in the game is not .. and that is too bad because Eve just lost me to its competition.
Let's see if the new expansion can remedy that.
I seriously doubt the new expansion will remedy it. Sure will it improve the PVE section enjoyment when your doing it probably... but if your only in the game for the PVE side it will still be pretty damn lackluster. Missions are not changing, 99% of current NPCs will not change. Only the New rats and rare spawns will have the better AI/stats and are all in Full PVP space. So if you weren't willing to head out and pvp your still not going to enjoy eve and be stuck with the same basic missions/quests you get in all the MMOs. Just with out the kill 300 boars to get 2 boar feet and instead go here destroy all the ships there. Sad to say but PVE in MMOs in general is extremely poor, there is very few games that you can't go into mental-autopilot during most if not all sections.
What CCP has done with EVE has made a game focused around shooting other people. Everything in the game is focused around that mentality and the only reason any PVE aspects are in the game is to provide assets and material for PVP. That said, and I don't mean this in as an attack on you, But EVE didn't lose you to its competition, it never tried to get you. Even the changes to PVE in the newest expansion that have been announced so far have been to make PVE more like PVP so that PVPers that do it as a method to make income to do PVP enjoy thier time doing PVE more. So the sad truth is that if you play EVE for the PVE you'll end up being a second class citizen for the terms of development and expansions. things that are for PVP will generally get priority over things that are PVE related unless its something that is going to help with PVP.
I seriously doubt the new expansion will remedy it. Sure will it improve the PVE section enjoyment when your doing it probably... but if your only in the game for the PVE side it will still be pretty damn lackluster. Missions are not changing, 99% of current NPCs will not change. Only the New rats and rare spawns will have the better AI/stats and are all in Full PVP space. So if you weren't willing to head out and pvp your still not going to enjoy eve and be stuck with the same basic missions/quests you get in all the MMOs. Just with out the kill 300 boars to get 2 boar feet and instead go here destroy all the ships there. Sad to say but PVE in MMOs in general is extremely poor, there is very few games that you can't go into mental-autopilot during most if not all sections.
What CCP has done with EVE has made a game focused around shooting other people. Everything in the game is focused around that mentality and the only reason any PVE aspects are in the game is to provide assets and material for PVP. That said, and I don't mean this in as an attack on you, But EVE didn't lose you to its competition, it never tried to get you. Even the changes to PVE in the newest expansion that have been announced so far have been to make PVE more like PVP so that PVPers that do it as a method to make income to do PVP enjoy thier time doing PVE more. So the sad truth is that if you play EVE for the PVE you'll end up being a second class citizen for the terms of development and expansions. things that are for PVP will generally get priority over things that are PVE related unless its something that is going to help with PVP.
if that is the case i may just save some time and forget Eve and wait for JGE. At least the developers stated that they are developing PvE content in that game. May be that would be a better space game for the PvE crowd.
yep, seems like a good idea, EVE is PvP and always has been in the same way that WoW is pve.
Wait what?
You obviously misunderstand the concept of a sandbox MMO, all the devs do is provide you with tools like the ships, station, modules, the mechanics of the game itself..
You then have to go create 'your game' using those tools and within the rules the devs set, sure things can be improved by the devs to change things, but ultimately in a sandbox its up to you to go out there and create your own little bit of fun..
Early missions are 'boring' or easy for a reason, if they were complex and hard, how many players do you think at an early stage would enjoy constantly losing their ships, and therfore struggling to get anywhere in the game early on? If you have only done level 1s, then again thats your fault, for not trying higher level missions, whihc can be harder, but once your skills go up, of course things will get easier, and boring again, just like pve in any other MMO..
EVE online is a great sandbox MMO. because people have to go and make their own game out of the universe that is created, pretty much everything in eve has player influence, the markets, the manufacturing, the pvp, are all mopstly player controlled, because people have found what they like doing in the game and went for it...
DOn't like missioning? try something else, there is alot more to do outside standard pvp that you could do, but what I like is, almost everything you do, can affect other players...
shhh... you might wake the trolls