so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
Have you played it yourself? Have you seen friends play it? Have you read betaleaks?
Small teams can do wonders. If I remember it correctly EVE's staff was pretty small in the beginning and look where that studio is now.
CCP didn't start in their basement.
CCP have had a professional team working on Eve from the start, not 4 guys sitting in a fucking basement.
@OP - You're aspect of people's opinions is childish to say the least. You lack intelligence and comprehension. Same goes for all the die-hard fanboi's out there, just because you want a game to succeed, doesn't mean you have to walk around with your thumb up your arse constantly. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, good or bad.
As for DFo, I wouldn't dream of handing over any money until I know for sure the game isn't piece of crap. I'll sit back and see if all you eager duckies get pulled under by the laggness monster.
well if you were informed, you would know lag wouldn't isn't a problem. But yeah people are entitled to their opinions as long as they are VALID and BACKED UP BY FACTS. We should NOT allow some hick to go around saying "I think black people are born dumber than white people," or "I think asians can't see as well as white people", because their "opinion" isn't based on anything other than their hick parents who were part of the klan (and their opinions are destructive to top it off).
And yeah, you're right, both the fanbois AND trolls are wrong on this one. Small dev teams can make great games, a la EvE, AC, and Half-life (which was called vaporware a lot...). But just b/c you have a small dev team, doesn't mean you have to act incredibly unprofessionally like Aventurine.
I dont usually waste my time posting to children, but ive had enough of the hating on behalf of Darkfall/Adventurine You guys seem to think that this is a SoE or EA game, with unlimited funds and very limited creativity. This game is being developed by gamers for gamers. Its not mean to be everyone's game, like WoW or WAR, ofcourse everyone is welcome to play it, but adventurine will not change the game to appeal to a mass-market at the cost of the games integrity, if the mass-market, wants to try something new and different then Darkfall is welcoming. But dumbing the game down to appeal to more people would damaging the medium-long term potential of the game, while perhaps sustaining its short-term profits. The features of the game cover concerns that the MMORPG community has had for years, yes, they will be setbacks during the production of the game, but im sure that if you are waiting for a quantity rather then quality game, then there are many options for you already on the market In fact, since DAoC not a lot has changed in the fantasy MMORPG market, do you want to see another DAoC with a facelift? or do you want some developers to put some heart and pride in to what they offer you? well, putting your heart in to something means having to delay it, it means that rather then accepting an easy-cost-cutting way out of problem in the production stages, you rather spend that bit of extra funding and that bit of extra time, on getting it right! getting it innovative and with your personal seal of approval. how can this community keep jinxing itself, by complaining about delays and then complaining about the game needing patches when released. to Adventurine, to H and to T , i wish you the best of luck, while you may get flammed by the children, know that the mature and quality seeking individuals still appriciate what your doing. ela re mallacas
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So many years a member of MMORPG.com, so few posts in all that time.
Shame you wasted this one.
Aventurine and its fanbase set the stage for the drama, can't blame the actors for playing their part to the fullest.
If they had offered qualifiers over the years perhaps people would be more forgiving, but instead they stubbornly clung to statements that seem not only improbably, but almost absurd when you examine them at face value.
You call us children, which is laughable really that you can't come up with a decent argument or comeback other than base insults. (and I dare say I'm considerably older than you)
If you can't do better than this, perhaps you should continue your previous policy of staying clear of posting on the forums.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
Darkfall is a virtual world, all the rest are theme park games.
Have to lol at the way the word theme park is being thrown around whenever someone wants to give of an impression of "oh, look at me, I'm so hardcore and old school, there is no game currrently on the market good enough for me!", it used to be that everything and everyone was being called a carebear or a carebear game but since that's no longer cool to say the new word to use is theme park, so lol again at the hardcore-wannabees and their limited vocabulary
Darkfall is a virtual world, all the rest are theme park games.
Have to lol at the way the word theme park is being thrown around whenever someone wants to give of an impression of "oh, look at me, I'm so hardcore and old school, there is no game currrently on the market good enough for me!", it used to be that everything and everyone was being called a carebear or a carebear game but since that's no longer cool to say the new word to use is theme park, so lol again at the hardcore-wannabees and their limited vocabulary
Actually the term was coined to describe the progression style of the game.
A sandbox game didnt lead you from A to B and you were free to play as you wanted.
Theme Park games your pretty much on a rail from lvl 1 to Max, following a set path of progression.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
heh, that doesn't suprise me at all, I mean I hear all this bs about how they made this game for hardcore followers, and a select few, and they didn't make it for the mass public... lol, what kind of company model is that... I for hell would never work there if thats what they told me from the start, why make millions, when you can make billions? if in fact it is that good. I mean what company goes into buisness to make small money.
so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
I know and I am not happy about this flipflop but what other choice do I have? Play WAR, AOC, WOW, EQ2, Vanguard or LOTRO? No thanks!
so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
heh, that doesn't suprise me at all, I mean I hear all this bs about how they made this game for hardcore followers, and a select few, and they didn't make it for the mass public... lol, what kind of company model is that... I for hell would never work there if thats what they told me from the start, why make millions, when you can make billions? if in fact it is that good. I mean what company goes into buisness to make small money.
They didn't develop Darkfall with the goal of making a limited amount of money. They made a virtual world, not a theme park game, something they themselves would enjoy playing and could take pride in creating. They are simply realistic in saying they know it won't appeal to the masses and are comfortable with the projected income from a smaller more loyal base of customers.
It's sad if your profession or business was chosen on the basis of making as much money as possible. I would not be happy if I didn't choose a career that I enjoyed and could take pride in.
so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
I know and I am not happy about this flipflop but what other choice do I have? Play WAR, AOC, WOW, EQ2, Vanguard or LOTRO? No thanks!
I read this line from a lot of Darkfall fanboys, but I'd be willing to bet that once it has been out a few months, it makes it's way on to that same list while you guys pine away for some mythical savior MMO yet to be released. What will it be Fallen Earth, Aion?? Those games you listed all have one major advantage compared to Darkfall... you can actually play them rather than just dream about them
so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
I know and I am not happy about this flipflop but what other choice do I have? Play WAR, AOC, WOW, EQ2, Vanguard or LOTRO? No thanks!
I read this line from a lot of Darkfall fanboys, but I'd be willing to bet that once it has been out a few months, it makes it's way on to that same list while you guys pine away for some mythical savior MMO yet to be released. What will it be Fallen Earth, Aion?? Those games you listed all have one major advantage compared to Darkfall... you can actually play them rather than just dream about them
So... you are one of the 50 people who got a beta invite and you are willing to lose it by posting that info on this forum? What the hell... I may as well claim to be in the beta too, no way to disprove it. You know who doesn't claim to be in game betas? The people who actually are.
Darkfall is a virtual world, all the rest are theme park games.
Umm.... "all the rest", eh?
Well let's see how that "theory" stands up...
Eve Online is a "theme park" game? Nope. Try again.
Ryzom is a "theme park" game? Wrong again.
Tale In The Desert is a "theme park" game? Strike three.
Shall I continue?
Just because you aren't aware of, or perhaps simply don't like other similar offerings out there does not mean they don't exist. To claim that DF is the only non "theme-park" MMO game demonstrates your ignorance (whether willful or otherwise) of the subject in spades.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I dont usually waste my time posting to children, but ive had enough of the hating on behalf of Darkfall/Adventurine You guys seem to think that this is a SoE or EA game, with unlimited funds and very limited creativity. This game is being developed by gamers for gamers. Its not mean to be everyone's game, like WoW or WAR, ofcourse everyone is welcome to play it, but adventurine will not change the game to appeal to a mass-market at the cost of the games integrity, if the mass-market, wants to try something new and different then Darkfall is welcoming. But dumbing the game down to appeal to more people would damaging the medium-long term potential of the game, while perhaps sustaining its short-term profits. The features of the game cover concerns that the MMORPG community has had for years, yes, they will be setbacks during the production of the game, but im sure that if you are waiting for a quantity rather then quality game, then there are many options for you already on the market In fact, since DAoC not a lot has changed in the fantasy MMORPG market, do you want to see another DAoC with a facelift? or do you want some developers to put some heart and pride in to what they offer you? well, putting your heart in to something means having to delay it, it means that rather then accepting an easy-cost-cutting way out of problem in the production stages, you rather spend that bit of extra funding and that bit of extra time, on getting it right! getting it innovative and with your personal seal of approval. how can this community keep jinxing itself, by complaining about delays and then complaining about the game needing patches when released. to Adventurine, to H and to T , i wish you the best of luck, while you may get flammed by the children, know that the mature and quality seeking individuals still appriciate what your doing. ela re mallacas R
allowing mmorpg.com and PC Gamer magazine to do a review doesnt cost anything.
And dont delude yourself, this isnt a game made by gamers. It has investors, loans, grants backing it. It might have started out as 4 guys in a basement making a cool game but now its a marketing product that is expected to earn a return on that investment.
Some setbacks ? Dude this game has been in development for 8.5 years. Some developers could have made two stinkin MMO's in that amount of time.
If you are going to quote development time do it in manyears else anything you post is not representative.
mmorpg.com is just a cesspit when they support and allow such trash to be posted , why should DFO return any favors they are doing the right thing. On top of this it is not just the game DFO have developed so you can work that one out for yourself. The game has had not setbacks it has just been in development.
A lot of developers recently have made MMOs in 5 and look where they went down the drain fast , the point is mute.
First.. You mean the point is MOOT. Mute means something different entirely. And secondly, the last three big MMOS to launch are still running and have people who really enjoy each of them. To say that LOTRO, AOC or WAR have already failed is patently untrue.
Hmm... you mustn't be familiar with the conceit commonly displayed on these forums...
Not sure how it is elsewhere, but on mmorpg.com, the only requisite for a mmo being called a "failure" is that the person calling it one not like it.
To demonstrate:
"I don't like -insert game here-. It doesn't matter that many others do. It's a failure because I think it sucks"
That's pretty much the way it boils down.
Many times those making those statements attempt to "qualify" them with comments like:
"Anyone who likes -insert game here- doesn't know what a good game is"
"Anyone who thinks -insert game here- obviously came to MMOs from playing WoW"
"If you think -insert game here- is good, you're obviously an idiot"
"It's a fact that this game sucks. Believe me, I know".
And so forth....
Some will claim it's a failure because it doesn't have features they specifically are looking for. So, even if it never advertised having such features, it's a failure anyway, because the devs didn't cater specifically to them.
Mind you.. not *all* are like that here. But many are.
As a real world example, there are many I've seen call WoW a "failure"... Why? They don't like it.
And there you have it...
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Agreed. Although I think Aventurine loves the publicity. Whether it's negative or positive hype it is still hype, and that means the game is in the eyes of hundreds of thousands of gamers and if they can deliver a quality product word will spread quickly. It's insane, but anytime something negative happens the IRC, main forum, these forums, and other gaming forums around the internet regarding Darkfall have like a 300% increase in traffic. It's crazy, but it is one of the most well known MMORPG's pre launch with hardly anything spent on marketing. The best thing about supporting Darkfall is if it turns out to be a great game none of this matters because you will have something great to play, and your wishes will be answered. If you are a troll or hater no matter what you lose. All you get to do is say 'I told you so' and then you have another failed game in our already poor market.
The problem with this statement is the market is not poor. The current market is the best ever in computer gaming history. Sure, I'm looking for something different, and you are too. Maybe we arent' even looking for the same sort of game, but we're not happy with the current offerings.
But don't delude yourself into thinking the market is poor. There are more people playing MMORPGs than ever before, in unbelievable record numbers including P2P and F2P games, and there are more MMORPGs than ever before, and many, many more on the way. Look at the list on the left of the screen. I remember when this list would have read EQ, UO. The end.
You might be unhappy, but he "market" is doing just fine.
Agreed. Although I think Aventurine loves the publicity. Whether it's negative or positive hype it is still hype, and that means the game is in the eyes of hundreds of thousands of gamers and if they can deliver a quality product word will spread quickly. It's insane, but anytime something negative happens the IRC, main forum, these forums, and other gaming forums around the internet regarding Darkfall have like a 300% increase in traffic. It's crazy, but it is one of the most well known MMORPG's pre launch with hardly anything spent on marketing. The best thing about supporting Darkfall is if it turns out to be a great game none of this matters because you will have something great to play, and your wishes will be answered. If you are a troll or hater no matter what you lose. All you get to do is say 'I told you so' and then you have another failed game in our already poor market.
The problem with this statement is the market is not poor. The current market is the best ever in computer gaming history. Sure, I'm looking for something different, and you are too. Maybe we arent' even looking for the same sort of game, but we're not happy with the current offerings.
But don't delude yourself into thinking the market is poor. There are more people playing MMORPGs than ever before, in unbelievable record numbers including P2P and F2P games, and there are more MMORPGs than ever before, and many, many more on the way. Look at the list on the left of the screen. I remember when this list would have read EQ, UO. The end.
You might be unhappy, but he "market" is doing just fine.
I agree. In fact, I think the recent global financial crisis has actually helped the mmo genre more than hurt it.
I mean, think about it. When you can no longer afford going out to the movies every weekend and such, $15 a month becomes a BIG bargain for entertainment.
Sorry for not explaining my thoughts well enough. I made a bad assumption in assuming that most of the posters here would be mostly vetern gamers/MMORPG'ers and so that is who I usually aim my posts at. In my mind, to veteran gamers, and especially veteran MMORPG'ers this market is crap. I don't want to speak for everyone though. I am sure plenty of people are happy with the games they are playing. I have a ton of fun in EVE, but in general I still think this market is 1/1000th of what it could be. Most new titles revolve around trying to rip off WoW which grew old to me in the first month probably due to the fact that it was aimed at bringing new people into MMORPG's rather than satisfy those who have been involved in the genre for years prior. Most of the titles in the last 3-4 years have been complete flops where it was hardly worth extending the free month. They all focus on trying to bring in new players like WoW but fail. Then they fail to compete with the game they are trying to clone because that game has years of evolved development and billions of dollars pumped into it. Creativity in the genre hit a brick wall in my opinion.
Again though, I don't want to speak for everyone. If you guys think this MMORPG market and genre is doing great and love the selection and quality of product being developed, and the direction the genre is taking then by all means speak up and play the games on the market proudly.
Also by saying this market/genre is crap in my mind does not mean I don't think it is bringing in money and having some success. It is more like if I were to go to the farmers market and all that was there was some old rotting vegetables, and five different kinds of cloned watermelons with different colored skins. Sure the pretty pink and green watermelon brings in the bucks, but the market is still crap to me because I don't like pretty pink and green watermelons.
i typed this really long answer, but i thought to myself, whats the point in answering, people do want to ride the flame aventurine bandwagon, even though aventurine with a NDA and keeping quiet about it does not want to playball..
in fact some people here are like the schoolyard bully in how they approch the game/developer.
i want to make a few things clear
as this community has not invested any financial backing in to aventurine, they have not got one foot to stand on when it comes to demanding information or even being critial of the information already out there, if you dont like what you read, dont buy the game, buy WoW, or WaR or maybe even AoC.
You may not want them to delay the game, but i rather have them delay it by another year, if i knew that what they came out with tickled all my expectations, it will probably fall short of my expectations, as it is, mostly cause im expecting a lot from it, but if they meet me half-way, then i will be pleased.
i typed this really long answer, but i thought to myself, whats the point in answering, people do want to ride the flame aventurine bandwagon, even though aventurine with a NDA and keeping quiet about it does not want to playball..
in fact some people here are like the schoolyard bully in how they approch the game/developer.
i want to make a few things clear
as this community has not invested any financial backing in to aventurine, they have not got one foot to stand on when it comes to demanding information or even being critial of the information already out there, if you dont like what you read, dont buy the game, buy WoW, or WaR or maybe even AoC. You may not want them to delay the game, but i rather have them delay it by another year, if i knew that what they came out with tickled all my expectations, it will probably fall short of my expectations, as it is, mostly cause im expecting a lot from it, but if they meet me half-way, then i will be pleased.
I played WoW for a month, I beta'd WAR for all of a week. I played SWG for three years, I have owned land in Second Life since 04, and I played Ryzom for several months. I don't like what I am reading from Aventurtine (which is nothing), and if I find it necessary to alert others on these forums of a potential rip-off the way the DF fans found it necessary to slam my regular forum with unreliable claims about the game, not to mention spam MMORPG and other sites with false hype, I will.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
I understand the need to slam, flame, nag and complain about a game and i respect your right to warn other members.
but surely your warning them based on nothing, there is nothing about the game out, so really, what are you warning them about, we know there are 50 people in beta, probeby a few more then that, we have seen "in-game" video.
the thing your warning them about is pre-ordering, but if they are retarded enough to pre-order something that they have gotten no information about then that is their problem, also i'd like get their contact details so i can sell them sand in sahara.
what i dont appriciate, and the whole point of this tread is that people will never be happy with a game, if there is information or no information, they will also never get off the developers back. If you talk to them, they are really nice people, they are down to earth and geniuenly nice guys, thus i wish them the best of luck. It upsets me when "children" complain about something that is not to their liking, not saying that your a child, but i base your age not on the numbers on your passport but how you behave, and complaining about something you know nothing about is childish behavior.
So to summerise, i hope that the Darkfall dev team takes the time they need, i rather have them seek to please the target audience, then to please these wow/war/aoc/eq2 mass-market hoppers.
Dont dumb down the game to appeal to the market, let the market come to you when they grow tierd of other dumbed down games.
Finally, get off their backs!! and let them work in peace, stop digging the grave befor you get the dimensions.
The reason why people are on their backs is because there is a lack of good information. Instead of flaming/discussing why a feature is or is not in the game, players are forced to flame about the devs, games existence, and each other. Only now after 8+ years of development and a more "loose" closed beta are the details coming out that DF is on the right track, but still far from what has been promised.
However, they could probably quell most of it with a simple guarantee of a " free play before you pay " statement.
random_mage, I care because i am looking for something interesting to play, an alternative to WoW/AoC/War etc.. i dont want children, <Mod edit> to hijack a game, by applying pressure on the developers to please everyone, including yourself, one opinion doesnt matter, but toxic can spead fast. I want them to do their job without hear your rubbish opinion on the matter. Also, i dont want to waste time reading useless posts about how crap Darkfall is from people who have not played the game, i rather have those people sit quietly so that i only have to read valid information! the fact that you see this as a "winning/losing" thread proves to me how sad you are. I dont want to win or lose, i want reliable information, i want people to stop speading rumours, let them do their job and finnish the game in their own time, without feeling the pressure of sticking to any deadlines just because a community with some retards rather play NOW, then when its complete. As for thinktank, who seems to be a bit more sensible in his reply, i would like to state that they have not taken 8 years developing Darkfall, secondly once the NDA drops you will get lots of answers to all your questions about Darkfall, there is no need to pre-order it. Just wait and see what people say about it first. Im going to pre-order just to support the developers, regardless of if i play it or not, i see it as more of a donation.
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so with limited funds, and thousands wanting to play this game, how will they appease to everyone on the release date of the 25th? Seems like fail to me.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
Have you played it yourself? Have you seen friends play it? Have you read betaleaks?
Small teams can do wonders. If I remember it correctly EVE's staff was pretty small in the beginning and look where that studio is now.
CCP didn't start in their basement.
CCP have had a professional team working on Eve from the start, not 4 guys sitting in a fucking basement.
@OP - You're aspect of people's opinions is childish to say the least. You lack intelligence and comprehension. Same goes for all the die-hard fanboi's out there, just because you want a game to succeed, doesn't mean you have to walk around with your thumb up your arse constantly. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, good or bad.
As for DFo, I wouldn't dream of handing over any money until I know for sure the game isn't piece of crap. I'll sit back and see if all you eager duckies get pulled under by the laggness monster.
well if you were informed, you would know lag wouldn't isn't a problem. But yeah people are entitled to their opinions as long as they are VALID and BACKED UP BY FACTS. We should NOT allow some hick to go around saying "I think black people are born dumber than white people," or "I think asians can't see as well as white people", because their "opinion" isn't based on anything other than their hick parents who were part of the klan (and their opinions are destructive to top it off).
And yeah, you're right, both the fanbois AND trolls are wrong on this one. Small dev teams can make great games, a la EvE, AC, and Half-life (which was called vaporware a lot...). But just b/c you have a small dev team, doesn't mean you have to act incredibly unprofessionally like Aventurine.
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
So many years a member of MMORPG.com, so few posts in all that time.
Shame you wasted this one.
Aventurine and its fanbase set the stage for the drama, can't blame the actors for playing their part to the fullest.
If they had offered qualifiers over the years perhaps people would be more forgiving, but instead they stubbornly clung to statements that seem not only improbably, but almost absurd when you examine them at face value.
You call us children, which is laughable really that you can't come up with a decent argument or comeback other than base insults. (and I dare say I'm considerably older than you)
If you can't do better than this, perhaps you should continue your previous policy of staying clear of posting on the forums.
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mmo market are mostly childrens so maybe u are the minority?
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
Have to lol at the way the word theme park is being thrown around whenever someone wants to give of an impression of "oh, look at me, I'm so hardcore and old school, there is no game currrently on the market good enough for me!", it used to be that everything and everyone was being called a carebear or a carebear game but since that's no longer cool to say the new word to use is theme park, so lol again at the hardcore-wannabees and their limited vocabulary
Have to lol at the way the word theme park is being thrown around whenever someone wants to give of an impression of "oh, look at me, I'm so hardcore and old school, there is no game currrently on the market good enough for me!", it used to be that everything and everyone was being called a carebear or a carebear game but since that's no longer cool to say the new word to use is theme park, so lol again at the hardcore-wannabees and their limited vocabulary
Actually the term was coined to describe the progression style of the game.
A sandbox game didnt lead you from A to B and you were free to play as you wanted.
Theme Park games your pretty much on a rail from lvl 1 to Max, following a set path of progression.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
heh, that doesn't suprise me at all, I mean I hear all this bs about how they made this game for hardcore followers, and a select few, and they didn't make it for the mass public... lol, what kind of company model is that... I for hell would never work there if thats what they told me from the start, why make millions, when you can make billions? if in fact it is that good. I mean what company goes into buisness to make small money.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
I know and I am not happy about this flipflop but what other choice do I have? Play WAR, AOC, WOW, EQ2, Vanguard or LOTRO? No thanks!
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
heh, that doesn't suprise me at all, I mean I hear all this bs about how they made this game for hardcore followers, and a select few, and they didn't make it for the mass public... lol, what kind of company model is that... I for hell would never work there if thats what they told me from the start, why make millions, when you can make billions? if in fact it is that good. I mean what company goes into buisness to make small money.
They didn't develop Darkfall with the goal of making a limited amount of money. They made a virtual world, not a theme park game, something they themselves would enjoy playing and could take pride in creating. They are simply realistic in saying they know it won't appeal to the masses and are comfortable with the projected income from a smaller more loyal base of customers.
It's sad if your profession or business was chosen on the basis of making as much money as possible. I would not be happy if I didn't choose a career that I enjoyed and could take pride in.
They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
I know and I am not happy about this flipflop but what other choice do I have? Play WAR, AOC, WOW, EQ2, Vanguard or LOTRO? No thanks!
I read this line from a lot of Darkfall fanboys, but I'd be willing to bet that once it has been out a few months, it makes it's way on to that same list while you guys pine away for some mythical savior MMO yet to be released. What will it be Fallen Earth, Aion?? Those games you listed all have one major advantage compared to Darkfall... you can actually play them rather than just dream about them
and p.s. WAR kicks ass.
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They won't be able to accept everyone on the 25th. If you really want to start on the 25th, you will need to preorder early.
but who really wants to pre-order with all the negative comments, worries, scandel (maybe), NDA still up, no reviews allowed, server problems...ect, that is associated with this game. Seems like a win/win situation for ADVENTURINE, if they get there pre-order $, whether or not, the the game is what its cracked up to be. I mean I pre-ordered AoC, and boy was that a mistake. I smell something "fishy".
The only thing I will say is that Darkfall employees posted on their own forums a few months back that PreOrders were a gimmick by companies to sucker gamers out of money before they even play the game.
I know and I am not happy about this flipflop but what other choice do I have? Play WAR, AOC, WOW, EQ2, Vanguard or LOTRO? No thanks!
I read this line from a lot of Darkfall fanboys, but I'd be willing to bet that once it has been out a few months, it makes it's way on to that same list while you guys pine away for some mythical savior MMO yet to be released. What will it be Fallen Earth, Aion?? Those games you listed all have one major advantage compared to Darkfall... you can actually play them rather than just dream about them
and p.s. WAR kicks ass.
I am playing it . . . thanks
So... you are one of the 50 people who got a beta invite and you are willing to lose it by posting that info on this forum? What the hell... I may as well claim to be in the beta too, no way to disprove it. You know who doesn't claim to be in game betas? The people who actually are.
Screenshots or it didn't happen. :P
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Umm.... "all the rest", eh?
Well let's see how that "theory" stands up...
Eve Online is a "theme park" game? Nope. Try again.
Ryzom is a "theme park" game? Wrong again.
Tale In The Desert is a "theme park" game? Strike three.
Shall I continue?
Just because you aren't aware of, or perhaps simply don't like other similar offerings out there does not mean they don't exist. To claim that DF is the only non "theme-park" MMO game demonstrates your ignorance (whether willful or otherwise) of the subject in spades.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
allowing mmorpg.com and PC Gamer magazine to do a review doesnt cost anything.
And dont delude yourself, this isnt a game made by gamers. It has investors, loans, grants backing it. It might have started out as 4 guys in a basement making a cool game but now its a marketing product that is expected to earn a return on that investment.
Some setbacks ? Dude this game has been in development for 8.5 years. Some developers could have made two stinkin MMO's in that amount of time.
If you are going to quote development time do it in manyears else anything you post is not representative.
mmorpg.com is just a cesspit when they support and allow such trash to be posted , why should DFO return any favors they are doing the right thing. On top of this it is not just the game DFO have developed so you can work that one out for yourself. The game has had not setbacks it has just been in development.
A lot of developers recently have made MMOs in 5 and look where they went down the drain fast , the point is mute.
First.. You mean the point is MOOT. Mute means something different entirely. And secondly, the last three big MMOS to launch are still running and have people who really enjoy each of them. To say that LOTRO, AOC or WAR have already failed is patently untrue.
Hmm... you mustn't be familiar with the conceit commonly displayed on these forums...
Not sure how it is elsewhere, but on mmorpg.com, the only requisite for a mmo being called a "failure" is that the person calling it one not like it.
To demonstrate:
"I don't like -insert game here-. It doesn't matter that many others do. It's a failure because I think it sucks"
That's pretty much the way it boils down.
Many times those making those statements attempt to "qualify" them with comments like:
"Anyone who likes -insert game here- doesn't know what a good game is"
"Anyone who thinks -insert game here- obviously came to MMOs from playing WoW"
"If you think -insert game here- is good, you're obviously an idiot"
"It's a fact that this game sucks. Believe me, I know".
And so forth....
Some will claim it's a failure because it doesn't have features they specifically are looking for. So, even if it never advertised having such features, it's a failure anyway, because the devs didn't cater specifically to them.
Mind you.. not *all* are like that here. But many are.
As a real world example, there are many I've seen call WoW a "failure"... Why? They don't like it.
And there you have it...
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The problem with this statement is the market is not poor. The current market is the best ever in computer gaming history. Sure, I'm looking for something different, and you are too. Maybe we arent' even looking for the same sort of game, but we're not happy with the current offerings.
But don't delude yourself into thinking the market is poor. There are more people playing MMORPGs than ever before, in unbelievable record numbers including P2P and F2P games, and there are more MMORPGs than ever before, and many, many more on the way. Look at the list on the left of the screen. I remember when this list would have read EQ, UO. The end.
You might be unhappy, but he "market" is doing just fine.
The problem with this statement is the market is not poor. The current market is the best ever in computer gaming history. Sure, I'm looking for something different, and you are too. Maybe we arent' even looking for the same sort of game, but we're not happy with the current offerings.
But don't delude yourself into thinking the market is poor. There are more people playing MMORPGs than ever before, in unbelievable record numbers including P2P and F2P games, and there are more MMORPGs than ever before, and many, many more on the way. Look at the list on the left of the screen. I remember when this list would have read EQ, UO. The end.
You might be unhappy, but he "market" is doing just fine.
I agree. In fact, I think the recent global financial crisis has actually helped the mmo genre more than hurt it.
I mean, think about it. When you can no longer afford going out to the movies every weekend and such, $15 a month becomes a BIG bargain for entertainment.
Sorry for not explaining my thoughts well enough. I made a bad assumption in assuming that most of the posters here would be mostly vetern gamers/MMORPG'ers and so that is who I usually aim my posts at. In my mind, to veteran gamers, and especially veteran MMORPG'ers this market is crap. I don't want to speak for everyone though. I am sure plenty of people are happy with the games they are playing. I have a ton of fun in EVE, but in general I still think this market is 1/1000th of what it could be. Most new titles revolve around trying to rip off WoW which grew old to me in the first month probably due to the fact that it was aimed at bringing new people into MMORPG's rather than satisfy those who have been involved in the genre for years prior. Most of the titles in the last 3-4 years have been complete flops where it was hardly worth extending the free month. They all focus on trying to bring in new players like WoW but fail. Then they fail to compete with the game they are trying to clone because that game has years of evolved development and billions of dollars pumped into it. Creativity in the genre hit a brick wall in my opinion.
Again though, I don't want to speak for everyone. If you guys think this MMORPG market and genre is doing great and love the selection and quality of product being developed, and the direction the genre is taking then by all means speak up and play the games on the market proudly.
Also by saying this market/genre is crap in my mind does not mean I don't think it is bringing in money and having some success. It is more like if I were to go to the farmers market and all that was there was some old rotting vegetables, and five different kinds of cloned watermelons with different colored skins. Sure the pretty pink and green watermelon brings in the bucks, but the market is still crap to me because I don't like pretty pink and green watermelons.
i typed this really long answer, but i thought to myself, whats the point in answering, people do want to ride the flame aventurine bandwagon, even though aventurine with a NDA and keeping quiet about it does not want to playball..
in fact some people here are like the schoolyard bully in how they approch the game/developer.
i want to make a few things clear
as this community has not invested any financial backing in to aventurine, they have not got one foot to stand on when it comes to demanding information or even being critial of the information already out there, if you dont like what you read, dont buy the game, buy WoW, or WaR or maybe even AoC.
You may not want them to delay the game, but i rather have them delay it by another year, if i knew that what they came out with tickled all my expectations, it will probably fall short of my expectations, as it is, mostly cause im expecting a lot from it, but if they meet me half-way, then i will be pleased.
I played WoW for a month, I beta'd WAR for all of a week. I played SWG for three years, I have owned land in Second Life since 04, and I played Ryzom for several months. I don't like what I am reading from Aventurtine (which is nothing), and if I find it necessary to alert others on these forums of a potential rip-off the way the DF fans found it necessary to slam my regular forum with unreliable claims about the game, not to mention spam MMORPG and other sites with false hype, I will.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
I understand the need to slam, flame, nag and complain about a game and i respect your right to warn other members.
but surely your warning them based on nothing, there is nothing about the game out, so really, what are you warning them about, we know there are 50 people in beta, probeby a few more then that, we have seen "in-game" video.
the thing your warning them about is pre-ordering, but if they are retarded enough to pre-order something that they have gotten no information about then that is their problem, also i'd like get their contact details so i can sell them sand in sahara.
what i dont appriciate, and the whole point of this tread is that people will never be happy with a game, if there is information or no information, they will also never get off the developers back. If you talk to them, they are really nice people, they are down to earth and geniuenly nice guys, thus i wish them the best of luck. It upsets me when "children" complain about something that is not to their liking, not saying that your a child, but i base your age not on the numbers on your passport but how you behave, and complaining about something you know nothing about is childish behavior.
So to summerise, i hope that the Darkfall dev team takes the time they need, i rather have them seek to please the target audience, then to please these wow/war/aoc/eq2 mass-market hoppers.
Dont dumb down the game to appeal to the market, let the market come to you when they grow tierd of other dumbed down games.
Finally, get off their backs!! and let them work in peace, stop digging the grave befor you get the dimensions.
The reason why people are on their backs is because there is a lack of good information. Instead of flaming/discussing why a feature is or is not in the game, players are forced to flame about the devs, games existence, and each other. Only now after 8+ years of development and a more "loose" closed beta are the details coming out that DF is on the right track, but still far from what has been promised.
However, they could probably quell most of it with a simple guarantee of a " free play before you pay " statement.
random_mage,
I care because i am looking for something interesting to play, an alternative to WoW/AoC/War etc..
i dont want children, <Mod edit> to hijack a game, by applying pressure on the developers to please everyone, including yourself, one opinion doesnt matter, but toxic can spead fast. I want them to do their job without hear your rubbish opinion on the matter.
Also, i dont want to waste time reading useless posts about how crap Darkfall is from people who have not played the game, i rather have those people sit quietly so that i only have to read valid information!
the fact that you see this as a "winning/losing" thread proves to me how sad you are.
I dont want to win or lose, i want reliable information, i want people to stop speading rumours, let them do their job and finnish the game in their own time, without feeling the pressure of sticking to any deadlines just because a community with some retards rather play NOW, then when its complete.
As for thinktank, who seems to be a bit more sensible in his reply, i would like to state that they have not taken 8 years developing Darkfall, secondly once the NDA drops you will get lots of answers to all your questions about Darkfall, there is no need to pre-order it. Just wait and see what people say about it first.
Im going to pre-order just to support the developers, regardless of if i play it or not, i see it as more of a donation.
Thanks