I really don't know much more than your average bear about WoW, but some of my friends are in beta and I have yet to hear anything really bad about it. They keep heaping praise on the game, so I'll definitely be giving it a spin once it ships.
As for how cartoony it looks, that is not to be disputed, but I personally love the Warcraft-style artwork. I have yet to play an MMO that looked real, you know?
My main concern is with the PvP, which they at first said they weren't really interested in doing. Now, it seems like all-of-a-sudden they've changed their minds and are going to implement it into the game as a major characteristic. I can only hope this goes well so that I have a great game to keep me busy for a while.
P.S. In keeping with the topic of this thread: SWG is the sux.
Otto!
I'm looking for some friends that I lost contact with over the years...
Originally posted by Baseline George Lucas should sue the SWG devs for using the SW name without the SW Story!Formerly Atlantis (Jedi Knight) and Baseline on SWG: Eclipse Galaxy.
You do realize of course that George Lucas and his company are the cause of what a lot of you are bitching about right? Lucas Arts made SOE put EVERYTHING on hold until they got the jedi thing was worked out. That's right, not only is Lucas Arts responsible for putting content, combat rebalance etc, on hold, they are also the ones who told SOE Jedi WILL be in the game.
Also, I don't bash anyone who has rational, well thought out ideas even if I disagree with those ideas, but when the extent of your suggestions for imporvement is: Balance the classes, then I refer you to my suggestion for landing on the sun. I can tell everyone landing on the sun is easy, I can even suggest how to do it: Build a ship that can take the heat. You see how rediculous both suggestions are?
For those bitching that when you buy a game you want to be provided content: You obviously didn't research before you bought the game. It was said this was designed for players to make thier own content. Don't blame SOE because you forgot how to read.
As far as the buffs and armor, yep that got out of hand, which is actually a testiment to how great the crafting system is, but the fix is in the works.
And here was really kills me: The game isn't EXACTLY like the movies. Well no sh!t sherlock. In almost every Pen and Papper RPG they will warn GM's about the hazzard of trying to imitate litature and movies. The game will NEVER be exactly like the thing you are trying to emulate. Well what do you suggest you do to fix it? I'll tell you what we'll have one of play Han Solo and you can ONLY do what Han Solo did in the moives. That would be fun right? You complain about Jedi in this era, yet you do realize that all wookiees were slaves. Any time an imperial sees a wookiee they should attack the wookiee, and how can there be wookiee imperals?? Heck there should be no alien imperials at all, according to the movies.
For those saying "It's not Star Wars" prove it. You show me in the movies what the life cycle of a Droid Engineer is, or a tailor. I say it is Star Wars, becasue there are droids, there are aliens, speeder bikes, quests that follow the movies and the books and a ton of other stuff right from the Star Wars Universe.
Anyway, SWG is messed up, and I can tell you're obviously glued to it right now and denying that it is messed up. Then again, it depends where your priorities are.
Are you TH posting undercover? Because you certainly sound like him. The fact of the matter is that you sound exactly like a dev when you say "it's in the works". Do you know how long stuff has been "in the works" in this game? They started saying back in december that they were doing the combat balance. THAT WAS AFTER THE JEDI SYSTEM WAS OUT ALREADY! So don't use the excuse that they were putting that out. It is now almost a year later and there is still a DEAD GCW, and the 5% of the Star wars community that are taking part in the GCW anymore are 1 or 2 specific melee templates.
Do you deny that? Because if you do, then you are certainly not playing the same SWG I played for the past year. Yeah yeah, it's in the works. Been that way for a year... And fixing swg isn't like landing on the sun. It's more like they don't have their priorities straight.
Everytime there has been a dev chat, the DEVS from SOE (not lucas arts reps) are saying that the combat balance comes after the Jedi, then it's combat balance after JTL, then it's combat balance after we circle jerk... It's just endless. GCW is what star wars was... Faction armor has been garbage for a long time, AT-ST's get kicked down by a single melee guy because of the food/buffs/armor/mitigation/melee defs crap.
The bottom line is that if they put a solid month into looking at all of the classes and saying things like:
- "this is what is making melee way better than ranged, lets change this",
- "this is why all classes used to do well in pvp, lets get rid of or lower this (being armor/buffs/food)",
- "the economy is a joke, lets fraction the current credits in the whole game for all players and be more aware of dupe holes so everyone doesn't need 10 million credits to buy something",
and yeah people are gonna complain when their 10 million credits turn into 100k, but it'll be the same for everyone, and it'll fix the economy. Same with the other suggestions. There are a lot of suggestions that have been thrown around the GCW forum for a long time that aren't impossible. The veterans know how the GCW was and why it was good.
So what if the devs totally nerf down doc buffs to like +300 to all stats. Do you know how much more of an option they would be than a requirement? The game will turn back into a group-effort game instead of people with buffs to 3K for everything and damage reduction foods taking down a krayt solo. That's what makes mmorpgs fun. Group efforts, collaborating with other people in a game to do something. The community can only make their own content to an extent where current in-game elements just overpower in certain areas.
And, granted some of the game is like star-wars... Don't get me wrong, SWG is the most fun i've ever had in a video game, but as I and many others will say, the game has gone downhill because for almost a year now, the GCW has been garbage, and the devs admit it and promise a balance, but what do we still have? One or two templates of melee dominating the PvP scene. I'll consider it combat balanced when you can pick a few different ranged templates or melee templates and feel on an even playing ground instead of being a ranged player and barely scratching a melee player.
If I want to solo stuff and be able to do everything by myself, I'll go play a single player game like doom 3 or something. SWG is just like many others have said, a glorified SW skinned chatroom with a few things to see, but no real entertainment. The closest I've seen are some die hard veterans trying to organize groups to take down bases, and that's a once in a great while thing on populated servers like eclipse.
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A former Jedi Knight on SWG Eclipse. Glad I don't play that game anymore
The funny part about SOE wanting us to create its own content is this... if a group of 50 players gather and attempt to raid Coronet and god forbid role play, guess what... a CSR will appear and spawn you to another location as they dont want their servers to crash. This just happened recently with players protesting recent publish 10 joke. CSR's popped up and forcibly dispersed players from SP. Now players are told to avoid large gatherings for fear it will cause server crashes and face BANNING for it. So on one hand, SOE says make your own content but also do it by yourself so our servers dont go belly up... lol
This game is in such a state of dissarray its pathetic. It would take months to get it all working properly again. From what I have seen so far they have no intention of fixing the glaring flaws in this game any time soon. On the contrary they are adding new flaws every day.
How they can be so blind as not to see how far out of hand the problems in this game have gotten? They just keep blowing sunshine up the players a$$es. Saying that all sorts of revamps are in the works and touting their new space expansion wich is in reality nothing more than an x-wing Vs Tie fighter side game to take the attention off of their broken ground game.
Its really sad because I love Star Wars and I really wanted it to do well.
1. NO jedi
2. No dizzy
3. nerf armor
4. nerf or do away with buffs
5. nerf food
6. no covert and overt mixed groups.
7. implement land control and player stat bonuses for it.
could go on forever..........
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Logically if you look at it, only one explanation makes sense. Things like server upgrades, loads of new content, bug fixes, etc would mean more costs. SOE knows there are problems so the only thing that makes sense on why they would blunder over them is this... they have no intention of fixing them.
I think based on SOE's actions, its more likely they just want to squeeze a bit more profit from the game (ie. JTL) and then let the game ride until she dies. There is no mention of future expansions (my guess is there wont be another expansion). A lot of the big cheeses over at SWG were promoted and moved on to other projects (please dont let them work on EQ2 LOL).
The evidence seems to point to only two possiblitites...
1.) SOE, a multi-billion dollar corporation is run by monkeys
2.) They made their money and thats that.
Think of it this way... I own a House. I decide to make it more appealing by adding a new bedroom (JTL) to it. I then paint the whole house to make it look new. Now at this point do I really want to spend money on a new kitchen and repair work on my leaky roof ? The answer is usually no as that money probably wont be recouped if I sell. Sure I may get some added value to my home, but it wont be as much as I spent.
Kinda similiar to a car... a company may offer me $1000 for my old truck as is. If I were to spend $1700 getting the transmission fixed, odds are the company will only offer me the same $1000 or maybe $1500-$2000 at most. I end up losing out as I dont recoup my investment.
This is a basic business model that most companies follow when dealing with a product. SWG is in the latter stages of the business cycle, therefore SOE will never invest more money in it. Thats why the devs' ranks are thinning out. I guarantee you if you came back to play a year from now the gungan sacred place will still be broken LOL.
You sound like you don't kiss ass for devs either admriker. If you find a good mmo, let me know
A former Jedi Knight on SWG Eclipse. Glad I don't play that game anymore
That was my server too, what was your jedi's and main toon's name ? My toon was called Thunderbolt. On finding a decent game, Im hearing good things from a friend at work about World of Warcraft. The other games Im following closely are Face of Mankind, Middle Earth, and a cool looking game called Fallen Earth
well,, theres no purpose of the game.. you lvl or should i say gain skill for no reason.. ok pvp but who wants to do that for more then a year? and who wants to be a chef? or a engineer? no purpose.. i cant see any future far far away for this game.. i give it a 5/10
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I was going to go line by line and retort your post, but then I figured why bother? I'm not going to convice you that developing a game is a lot harder than waving a wand over a computer and saying "allakazam balance all professions". I won't be able to make you see that the fact that SWG is a SKILL based system not a LEVEL/CLASS based system makes balancing infinitaly more difficult becasue you have to look at EVER possible combination of skills that any player could possibly come up with. I won't be able to convince you that the Crafting system is second to none in a MMO, and a crafting system is so complex that Dungeons and Dragons Online isn't even going to attempt to put a crafting system in on inital release. So even if I agree that combat is totally wrong, half the game is better than any other MMO on the market. I totally disagree with you about the economy being borked, but I won't convince you of that either.
Again Lucas Arts are the ones who wanted the Jedi revamp before the combat revamp, there is even an article about it on Game Spy.
I've read the big long post compiling TH's posts about the revamp, and it sounds pretty bad when you pull them out of context and put them out of order, but when you read them in order and where they belong you get a totally different picture.
One thing I do want to comment on Admriker: Are you actually comparing breaking up a protest desinged to bash the developers to a player-event? I was starting to have some respect for you, until I saw this and remembered how many times you've tried to start a witch hunt by bringing up posts 6 months old or taking things totally out of context. Just stop crap like this please. I can respect someone who doesn't like a game I like, but it's crap like this that makes me hostile and brings out the worst in me.
Originally posted by Jodokai I won't be able to convince you that the Crafting system is second to none in a MMO, and a crafting system is so complex that Dungeons and Dragons Online isn't even going to attempt to put a crafting system in on inital release. So even if I agree that combat is totally wrong, half the game is better than any other MMO on the market. I totally disagree with you about the economy being borked, but I won't convince you of that either. Again Lucas Arts are the ones who wanted the Jedi revamp before the combat revamp, there is even an article about it on Game Spy. I've read the big long post compiling TH's posts about the revamp, and it sounds pretty bad when you pull them out of context and put them out of order, but when you read them in order and where they belong you get a totally different picture. One thing I do want to comment on Admriker: Are you actually comparing breaking up a protest desinged to bash the developers to a player-event? I was starting to have some respect for you, until I saw this and remembered how many times you've tried to start a witch hunt by bringing up posts 6 months old or taking things totally out of context. Just stop crap like this please. I can respect someone who doesn't like a game I like, but it's crap like this that makes me hostile and brings out the worst in me.
Hmm, on the crafting I will definitely agree with you Jdokai that SWG is the best. I spent my first 6 months as a master armorsmith / master artisan / novice tailor.
On the compilation of TH's posts, I just copied what was posted from their forum. Im not quite sure why it was out of order.
On the protest... the post from JustG and TH on the subject has been removed otherwise I'd include a link. The posting said it didnt want any large mass gatherings under the guise of server stability issues. Of course its really meant for stopping protests, we all know that. They just used the excuse of stability issues for the reason. Then the very next week they had a post about a event on Bria to test stability for upcoming JTL release. I just thought it was funny is all. SOE tries to be really slick when it comes to handling public relation issues. As a Public Relations Professor, I tend to pay close attention to the finer details of SOE's postings.
Originally posted by Jodokai Again Lucas Arts are the ones who wanted the Jedi revamp before the combat revamp, there is even an article about it on Game Spy.
I never had a problem with the jedi revamp (although I know many did). Seemingly most players wanted to try Jedi so it was understandable why the revamp was bumped up.
The thing that doesnt make sense then is why would SOE give Image Designers a second revamp (coming soon) ? I mean c'mon ID is the least popular profession in the game and they get TWO revamps ? Im no smuggler, but I know quite a few (along with rangers) who have gotten zero attention and they are much more popular than ID.
I would say the answer to the ID question is it's an easy fix. Revamping ID has little to no impact on anything else so it doesn't require a lot of brainstorming or resources to accomplish. It's something that needs to be done, and they don't have time or resources for a major overhaul that Rangers, and Squad Leaders need, and Smugglers don't so much need a revamp, as much as content added to actually make them Smugglers. I mean they have some semi-useful skills in Slicing (even if it is random) and selling faction points and their combat skills are cool. It's more of a content issue than a skill tree issue. Smuggler would probably be the hardest one to re-do because you are talking about changing whole systems which would have an impact on everyone.
[Since this is the intended official AdmRiker444 thread - made obvious from the fact the MMORPG.com site moderators on purpose erased some of his other threads all over the place........]
It is here I will respond directly to some posts he made which are between me and him. This is from another thread by another different poster. And I do not want to currupt it aka let it go faaaar off course from that other thread's subject which was quotes, and posts made by Starman999 that AdmRiker444 was attempting to answer in place of Starman999 [unless Admriker444 comes out an says he is also Starman999.... heheh... intresting names they both have. Though I can't see why the need to make a new name..... unless he is afraid the MMORPG.com moderators will delete more new threads made by his first name. Heck, maybe his first name got a bunch of warnings and will get banned? Not my buisness anyway ..... that is between him and MMORPG.com. Sooo....... on with the intended subject:
Wake up from your dream world Explorer, this game is definitely in worse shape and JTL wont save it. SOE's too incompetent to fix things. SWG wont last another year unless Lucas pulls the games out of SOE's evil greedy fingers and hands it over to another company.
Can I quote you on that? Right now it is September 2004. According to your post SWG will end up like Motor City Online, and Earth and Beyond, by October 2005. DEAD. GONE. Taken offline. In fact, I will quote you on that. BTW, did you know it is LucasArts full fault for the mess SWG is in?
- LucasArts AND SOE both co-own, co-made/developed, and co-run SWG.
- LucasArts are the ones who have been semi-falsly advertising SWG being ALL about Jedi. In fact there was a HUGE post at the official SWG site in which a DEV posted about it. And yes, it was LucasArts who wanted Jedi in. IF you had followed SWG back when the old official forums were up, there was a huge outcry from future players saying what the heck are players doing being allowed to be Jedi? SOE responded they will try to make Jedi play like Diablo 2 in Hardcore mode. LucasArts a few months ago nerfed the sting of death for Jedi, by going around SOE and blatantly marketing Jedi - all to make more short-term profits... even after SWG was already raking in nice profits.
- LucasArts are the ones who choose the timeperiod SWG takes place in. Everysingle thing SOE does has to go to LucasArts, get OK'd, then come back to SOE.
- LucasArts is even more greedy than SOE. At least SOE finally addressed players in EQ (Smeadly posted an appology, and even flew players out to EQ headquarters for talks.) LucasArts hides in the background, while SOE is the frontman. No one to this day knows WHO in LucasArts works on the SWG ads, WHO it is the SWG game DEVs must go to get OKs on everything, decided to now advertise SWG as another Jedi Outcast/KOTOR/Jedi Powerbattles.
- LucasArts is the one pushing SOE to push JTL out, ahead of taking care of the core game. Because LucasArts does NOT have anyone for the players to complain to. In effect, LucasArts can do whatever they want, without worrying about negative feedback. Because there is no one to hear it.
You were not around on the old official SWG forums when LucasArts did ONE TIME rear their out-of-touch faces. They were attempting to shut down a fansite. The ultra-heavy handed whay they went about it was horrible. It showed up close how things are done at LucasArts - "Act now without thinking. Do not FIRST engage in communication. Ignore any and all negative results. Push ahead no matter what."
The makers of that fansite posted on the official SWG forums trying to drum up support from fellow Star Wars fans to help them fight LucasArts and make LucasArts back down. I jumped into the fray, and put in my 2 cents along with thousands of other posters.
The main proof of how negative LucasArts is right now with SWG (and with the fans) is the fact LucasArts took it upon their ownselves to do the new SWG marketing. With zero involvement from SOE. That markets SWG as ALL about Jedi and nothing else.
While Xploror has a tendency to be a bit extreme in his views, he is absolutely correct. There are thousands of examples where you can see Lucas Arts cares more about money than anything else. A new expansion is going to bring in more subscribers, that is a fact. A jedi revamp will bring in more subscribers.
I mean we all want to view George Lucas as the good guy. He came up with Star Wars, something that played an important part in a lot of our lives, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say.
SWG is my first MMORPG because, of course, it was Star Wars. After the novelty wore off and I wanted to play an actual game I became frustrated by all the bugs but still hung on with the hopes that jedi might respark my interest. To make a long story short, I unlocked and didnt like the grind so sold my jedi. Now im happly awaiting EQ2 or WOW what ever comes first, and I still have a normal SWG account, just to chat and rp with friends when im bored.
If anything I credit SWG with introducing me to MMORPG's, and letting me be in the SW universe.
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I really don't know much more than your average bear about WoW, but some of my friends are in beta and I have yet to hear anything really bad about it. They keep heaping praise on the game, so I'll definitely be giving it a spin once it ships.
As for how cartoony it looks, that is not to be disputed, but I personally love the Warcraft-style artwork. I have yet to play an MMO that looked real, you know?
My main concern is with the PvP, which they at first said they weren't really interested in doing. Now, it seems like all-of-a-sudden they've changed their minds and are going to implement it into the game as a major characteristic. I can only hope this goes well so that I have a great game to keep me busy for a while.
P.S. In keeping with the topic of this thread: SWG is the sux.
Otto!
I'm looking for some friends that I lost contact with over the years...
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DAOC: Kaizur (Guinevere)
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
You do realize of course that George Lucas and his company are the cause of what a lot of you are bitching about right? Lucas Arts made SOE put EVERYTHING on hold until they got the jedi thing was worked out. That's right, not only is Lucas Arts responsible for putting content, combat rebalance etc, on hold, they are also the ones who told SOE Jedi WILL be in the game.
Also, I don't bash anyone who has rational, well thought out ideas even if I disagree with those ideas, but when the extent of your suggestions for imporvement is: Balance the classes, then I refer you to my suggestion for landing on the sun. I can tell everyone landing on the sun is easy, I can even suggest how to do it: Build a ship that can take the heat. You see how rediculous both suggestions are?
For those bitching that when you buy a game you want to be provided content: You obviously didn't research before you bought the game. It was said this was designed for players to make thier own content. Don't blame SOE because you forgot how to read.
As far as the buffs and armor, yep that got out of hand, which is actually a testiment to how great the crafting system is, but the fix is in the works.
And here was really kills me: The game isn't EXACTLY like the movies. Well no sh!t sherlock. In almost every Pen and Papper RPG they will warn GM's about the hazzard of trying to imitate litature and movies. The game will NEVER be exactly like the thing you are trying to emulate. Well what do you suggest you do to fix it? I'll tell you what we'll have one of play Han Solo and you can ONLY do what Han Solo did in the moives. That would be fun right? You complain about Jedi in this era, yet you do realize that all wookiees were slaves. Any time an imperial sees a wookiee they should attack the wookiee, and how can there be wookiee imperals?? Heck there should be no alien imperials at all, according to the movies.
For those saying "It's not Star Wars" prove it. You show me in the movies what the life cycle of a Droid Engineer is, or a tailor. I say it is Star Wars, becasue there are droids, there are aliens, speeder bikes, quests that follow the movies and the books and a ton of other stuff right from the Star Wars Universe.
Pretty hostile there Jokokai.
Anyway, SWG is messed up, and I can tell you're obviously glued to it right now and denying that it is messed up. Then again, it depends where your priorities are.
Are you TH posting undercover? Because you certainly sound like him. The fact of the matter is that you sound exactly like a dev when you say "it's in the works". Do you know how long stuff has been "in the works" in this game? They started saying back in december that they were doing the combat balance. THAT WAS AFTER THE JEDI SYSTEM WAS OUT ALREADY! So don't use the excuse that they were putting that out. It is now almost a year later and there is still a DEAD GCW, and the 5% of the Star wars community that are taking part in the GCW anymore are 1 or 2 specific melee templates.
Do you deny that? Because if you do, then you are certainly not playing the same SWG I played for the past year. Yeah yeah, it's in the works. Been that way for a year... And fixing swg isn't like landing on the sun. It's more like they don't have their priorities straight.
Everytime there has been a dev chat, the DEVS from SOE (not lucas arts reps) are saying that the combat balance comes after the Jedi, then it's combat balance after JTL, then it's combat balance after we circle jerk... It's just endless. GCW is what star wars was... Faction armor has been garbage for a long time, AT-ST's get kicked down by a single melee guy because of the food/buffs/armor/mitigation/melee defs crap.
The bottom line is that if they put a solid month into looking at all of the classes and saying things like:
- "this is what is making melee way better than ranged, lets change this",
- "this is why all classes used to do well in pvp, lets get rid of or lower this (being armor/buffs/food)",
- "the economy is a joke, lets fraction the current credits in the whole game for all players and be more aware of dupe holes so everyone doesn't need 10 million credits to buy something",
and yeah people are gonna complain when their 10 million credits turn into 100k, but it'll be the same for everyone, and it'll fix the economy. Same with the other suggestions. There are a lot of suggestions that have been thrown around the GCW forum for a long time that aren't impossible. The veterans know how the GCW was and why it was good.
So what if the devs totally nerf down doc buffs to like +300 to all stats. Do you know how much more of an option they would be than a requirement? The game will turn back into a group-effort game instead of people with buffs to 3K for everything and damage reduction foods taking down a krayt solo. That's what makes mmorpgs fun. Group efforts, collaborating with other people in a game to do something. The community can only make their own content to an extent where current in-game elements just overpower in certain areas.
And, granted some of the game is like star-wars... Don't get me wrong, SWG is the most fun i've ever had in a video game, but as I and many others will say, the game has gone downhill because for almost a year now, the GCW has been garbage, and the devs admit it and promise a balance, but what do we still have? One or two templates of melee dominating the PvP scene. I'll consider it combat balanced when you can pick a few different ranged templates or melee templates and feel on an even playing ground instead of being a ranged player and barely scratching a melee player.
If I want to solo stuff and be able to do everything by myself, I'll go play a single player game like doom 3 or something. SWG is just like many others have said, a glorified SW skinned chatroom with a few things to see, but no real entertainment. The closest I've seen are some die hard veterans trying to organize groups to take down bases, and that's a once in a great while thing on populated servers like eclipse.
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A former Jedi Knight on SWG Eclipse. Glad I don't play that game anymore
ROFL!
Wow... an Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game where they threaten to ban you for doing things in a group. LMAO!!!
Can you say "Suck!" ?
You sound like you don't kiss ass for devs either admriker. If you find a good mmo, let me know
A former Jedi Knight on SWG Eclipse. Glad I don't play that game anymore
This game is in such a state of dissarray its pathetic. It would take months to get it all working properly again. From what I have seen so far they have no intention of fixing the glaring flaws in this game any time soon. On the contrary they are adding new flaws every day.
How they can be so blind as not to see how far out of hand the problems in this game have gotten? They just keep blowing sunshine up the players a$$es. Saying that all sorts of revamps are in the works and touting their new space expansion wich is in reality nothing more than an x-wing Vs Tie fighter side game to take the attention off of their broken ground game.
Its really sad because I love Star Wars and I really wanted it to do well.
1. NO jedi
2. No dizzy
3. nerf armor
4. nerf or do away with buffs
5. nerf food
6. no covert and overt mixed groups.
7. implement land control and player stat bonuses for it.
could go on forever..........
ROLEPLAYERS UNITE!!!!!
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Logically if you look at it, only one explanation makes sense. Things like server upgrades, loads of new content, bug fixes, etc would mean more costs. SOE knows there are problems so the only thing that makes sense on why they would blunder over them is this... they have no intention of fixing them.
I think based on SOE's actions, its more likely they just want to squeeze a bit more profit from the game (ie. JTL) and then let the game ride until she dies. There is no mention of future expansions (my guess is there wont be another expansion). A lot of the big cheeses over at SWG were promoted and moved on to other projects (please dont let them work on EQ2 LOL).
The evidence seems to point to only two possiblitites...
1.) SOE, a multi-billion dollar corporation is run by monkeys
2.) They made their money and thats that.
Think of it this way... I own a House. I decide to make it more appealing by adding a new bedroom (JTL) to it. I then paint the whole house to make it look new. Now at this point do I really want to spend money on a new kitchen and repair work on my leaky roof ? The answer is usually no as that money probably wont be recouped if I sell. Sure I may get some added value to my home, but it wont be as much as I spent.
Kinda similiar to a car... a company may offer me $1000 for my old truck as is. If I were to spend $1700 getting the transmission fixed, odds are the company will only offer me the same $1000 or maybe $1500-$2000 at most. I end up losing out as I dont recoup my investment.
This is a basic business model that most companies follow when dealing with a product. SWG is in the latter stages of the business cycle, therefore SOE will never invest more money in it. Thats why the devs' ranks are thinning out. I guarantee you if you came back to play a year from now the gungan sacred place will still be broken LOL.
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Vydien 50 Armsman | Bors / Alb
Hellzpyro 50 Wizard | Merlin / Alb
Oceany 45 BM | Mordred / Mid
Seabasy 48 Bard | Mordred / Hib
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Darkage of Camelot | Since Day 1 |
Seabasz 50 Hero | Lancelot / Hib
Seabas 50 Enchanter | Lancelot / Hib
Vlyden 50 Bezerker | Guinevere / Mid
Vlyden 50 Armsman | Bors / Alb
Hellzpyro 40 Wizard | Merlin / Alb
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Darkage of Camelot
Seabasz 50 Hero | Lancelot / Hib
Seabas 50 Enchanter | Lancelot / Hib
Vlyden 50 Bezerker | Guinevere / Mid
Vydien 50 Armsman | Bors / Alb
Hellzpyro 50 Wizard | Merlin / Alb
Oceany 45 BM | Mordred / Mid
Seabasy 48 Bard | Mordred / Hib
I was going to go line by line and retort your post, but then I figured why bother? I'm not going to convice you that developing a game is a lot harder than waving a wand over a computer and saying "allakazam balance all professions". I won't be able to make you see that the fact that SWG is a SKILL based system not a LEVEL/CLASS based system makes balancing infinitaly more difficult becasue you have to look at EVER possible combination of skills that any player could possibly come up with. I won't be able to convince you that the Crafting system is second to none in a MMO, and a crafting system is so complex that Dungeons and Dragons Online isn't even going to attempt to put a crafting system in on inital release. So even if I agree that combat is totally wrong, half the game is better than any other MMO on the market. I totally disagree with you about the economy being borked, but I won't convince you of that either.
Again Lucas Arts are the ones who wanted the Jedi revamp before the combat revamp, there is even an article about it on Game Spy.
I've read the big long post compiling TH's posts about the revamp, and it sounds pretty bad when you pull them out of context and put them out of order, but when you read them in order and where they belong you get a totally different picture.
One thing I do want to comment on Admriker: Are you actually comparing breaking up a protest desinged to bash the developers to a player-event? I was starting to have some respect for you, until I saw this and remembered how many times you've tried to start a witch hunt by bringing up posts 6 months old or taking things totally out of context. Just stop crap like this please. I can respect someone who doesn't like a game I like, but it's crap like this that makes me hostile and brings out the worst in me.
I would say the answer to the ID question is it's an easy fix. Revamping ID has little to no impact on anything else so it doesn't require a lot of brainstorming or resources to accomplish. It's something that needs to be done, and they don't have time or resources for a major overhaul that Rangers, and Squad Leaders need, and Smugglers don't so much need a revamp, as much as content added to actually make them Smugglers. I mean they have some semi-useful skills in Slicing (even if it is random) and selling faction points and their combat skills are cool. It's more of a content issue than a skill tree issue. Smuggler would probably be the hardest one to re-do because you are talking about changing whole systems which would have an impact on everyone.
[Since this is the intended official AdmRiker444 thread - made obvious from the fact the MMORPG.com site moderators on purpose erased some of his other threads all over the place........]
It is here I will respond directly to some posts he made which are between me and him. This is from another thread by another different poster. And I do not want to currupt it aka let it go faaaar off course from that other thread's subject which was quotes, and posts made by Starman999 that AdmRiker444 was attempting to answer in place of Starman999 [unless Admriker444 comes out an says he is also Starman999.... heheh... intresting names they both have. Though I can't see why the need to make a new name..... unless he is afraid the MMORPG.com moderators will delete more new threads made by his first name. Heck, maybe his first name got a bunch of warnings and will get banned? Not my buisness anyway ..... that is between him and MMORPG.com.
Sooo....... on with the intended subject:
Wake up from your dream world Explorer, this game is definitely in worse shape and JTL wont save it. SOE's too incompetent to fix things. SWG wont last another year unless Lucas pulls the games out of SOE's evil greedy fingers and hands it over to another company.
Can I quote you on that? Right now it is September 2004. According to your post SWG will end up like Motor City Online, and Earth and Beyond, by October 2005. DEAD. GONE. Taken offline. In fact, I will quote you on that.
BTW, did you know it is LucasArts full fault for the mess SWG is in?
- LucasArts AND SOE both co-own, co-made/developed, and co-run SWG.
- LucasArts are the ones who have been semi-falsly advertising SWG being ALL about Jedi. In fact there was a HUGE post at the official SWG site in which a DEV posted about it. And yes, it was LucasArts who wanted Jedi in. IF you had followed SWG back when the old official forums were up, there was a huge outcry from future players saying what the heck are players doing being allowed to be Jedi? SOE responded they will try to make Jedi play like Diablo 2 in Hardcore mode. LucasArts a few months ago nerfed the sting of death for Jedi, by going around SOE and blatantly marketing Jedi - all to make more short-term profits... even after SWG was already raking in nice profits.
- LucasArts are the ones who choose the timeperiod SWG takes place in. Everysingle thing SOE does has to go to LucasArts, get OK'd, then come back to SOE.
- LucasArts is even more greedy than SOE. At least SOE finally addressed players in EQ (Smeadly posted an appology, and even flew players out to EQ headquarters for talks.) LucasArts hides in the background, while SOE is the frontman. No one to this day knows WHO in LucasArts works on the SWG ads, WHO it is the SWG game DEVs must go to get OKs on everything, decided to now advertise SWG as another Jedi Outcast/KOTOR/Jedi Powerbattles.
- LucasArts is the one pushing SOE to push JTL out, ahead of taking care of the core game. Because LucasArts does NOT have anyone for the players to complain to. In effect, LucasArts can do whatever they want, without worrying about negative feedback. Because there is no one to hear it.
You were not around on the old official SWG forums when LucasArts did ONE TIME rear their out-of-touch faces. They were attempting to shut down a fansite. The ultra-heavy handed whay they went about it was horrible. It showed up close how things are done at LucasArts - "Act now without thinking. Do not FIRST engage in communication. Ignore any and all negative results. Push ahead no matter what."
The makers of that fansite posted on the official SWG forums trying to drum up support from fellow Star Wars fans to help them fight LucasArts and make LucasArts back down. I jumped into the fray, and put in my 2 cents along with thousands of other posters.
The main proof of how negative LucasArts is right now with SWG (and with the fans) is the fact LucasArts took it upon their ownselves to do the new SWG marketing. With zero involvement from SOE. That markets SWG as ALL about Jedi and nothing else.
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While Xploror has a tendency to be a bit extreme in his views, he is absolutely correct. There are thousands of examples where you can see Lucas Arts cares more about money than anything else. A new expansion is going to bring in more subscribers, that is a fact. A jedi revamp will bring in more subscribers.
I mean we all want to view George Lucas as the good guy. He came up with Star Wars, something that played an important part in a lot of our lives, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say.
SWG is my first MMORPG because, of course, it was Star Wars. After the novelty wore off and I wanted to play an actual game I became frustrated by all the bugs but still hung on with the hopes that jedi might respark my interest. To make a long story short, I unlocked and didnt like the grind so sold my jedi. Now im happly awaiting EQ2 or WOW what ever comes first, and I still have a normal SWG account, just to chat and rp with friends when im bored.
If anything I credit SWG with introducing me to MMORPG's, and letting me be in the SW universe.