To the OP. The exposure of this game on MMORPG did not start with a release date. That includes the illusion to the December release, the "official" January release, or the upcoming February release. The influx of fans on MMORPG started several months before that in the form of hyping the game through the mmorpg.com system, and worse, by fans of Darkfall rating every upcoming game negatively to bump Darkfall up to the top of the list (where it stayed until December failed to produce a release). At this same time Darkfall fans spammed nearly every individual game forum on MMORPG to try to gain support for their game. They failed in a major way here, by manipulating the hype/ratings system, and spamming the forums, they placed the game under player scrutiny, and have yet to peak above the trench since.
Games that they de-hyped included the Chronicles of Spellborn, Jumpgate Evolution, and Aion, all of which appear to be meeting their production goals and promises, with plenty of industry oversight. Darkfall is shooting itself in the foot. The hype their fanbase created here started a sort of war I am not sure Aventurtine can win.
Hey, if they had left the SWG Debris forums alone, I wouldn't even be posting this, so great job guys.
Hmmm. Nice take on the situation. I'll have to give this a little more thought, and throw it into the mix.
I mean dang, they even went as far as to post in the LotRO official forums. Haven't looked into the other games official forums yet.
O.P.:
MMORPG.COM doing more harm than good? Sorry, can't say I think so. If anything, they have cut AV/DF some slack by staying unbiased.
Sorry, haven't seen the harassment from MMORPG.COM that you speak off.
O.O No no nno no no no!!! Wait!! HAIL TASOS!!! HAIL AVENTURINE!!! HAIL DARKFALL!!!... I'm a believer!!! Look! My sig banner even has a white border... with fancy corners!!! Please!! Don't report me!! I implore you!!
Not sure, but I think it's sad that an indie team is being trashed and held up to a much higher standard than the uber rich design companies. -- Maybe because the main voice of that indie team makes comments like saying the game "could release today" and that it's "in better shape and more complete than most MMOs at this stage" in their experience...
... months before it would be anywhere near ready to release, and full knowing the game hadn't even been fully or properly tested yet?
-- Or that they said would never give a release date until they knew they could meet it because they know the plans that are made around such things, etc...
... only to give an absolute release date (Jan 22nd) and then delay it a week before?
-- Or that they would never implement a pre-order because they believe it comes across looking like a scam when other companies do it?
... only to turn around and announce that they're taking pre-orders anyway?
-- Maybe because they've been saying the game was "going into beta soon" since 6 years ago?
... and it's still not out? Maybe you should be asking why Tasos set expectations so high for a game being developed by a group of indie developers, instead of throwing out apologist nonsense trying to make AV out to be the "poor victims", being held unfairly to "higher standards"? Maybe because its loyal fans have been propping it up as a revolutionary new game that is going to blow away anything else out there (and that's practically paraphrasing some folks here). The fans, frankly, have been placing much higher expectations on DF than any "troll" could.
The so-called "trolls" - aka skeptics and those who've been burned by overly hyped MMOs before - are the ones who've been keeping all the hype in check, taking a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach; saying they *don't* think AV can live up those claims. Meanwhile, the rabid fans keep making more excuses for them.
Indeed, those who've expressed doubt that AV could live up to the claims they've put out have been called "trolls" and "haters" time and again. They're an indie team trying to do something different - why all of the hate?
Hate? No. Extreme incredulity? Yes.
Many have said (for the umpteenth time now), that they are eager to play the game, and hope it comes out well, but do not buy into and are skeptical what Tasos and co. have said.
I know, I know... certain more rabid fans can't seem to wrap their head around that concept; that you can like the idea of a game, but not like the way its developers are handling it. No no... you must get behind both 100%, or you're a "troll" and a "hater". Yes, we've been reminded of that mentality only too often here.
Blizzard could make Darkfall right now (with much cooler graphics/animations and a quality engine) if it wanted to, but they won't. They only want to make what will make them the most money, so they say "fuck creativity" in favor of cash.
So because Blizzard could, but (presumably) wouldn't make a game like DF... we should all "get off AV's back" and not hold them to the very claims *they have made themselves*, per my bullet list above?
I think not. They've boasted some significant claims of DF, and have set a pretty high bar for themselves these past years... They should be held to no less expectation than what they themselves have set, indie company or no. They are a real company, looking to do business in the real world with real people. They don't get to make bold claims, and then say, "oh... but we're just an indie company" when they don't live up to what they've said.
Originally posted by WSIMike What cracks me up is that it's the *fans* that have been going on to other MMOs forums, evangelizing DF and telling everyone how it will be a "real PvP MMO", insulting the game whose forums they were posting in, and/or their players as being "carebears" if they couldn't handle a real PvP MMO like DF. Barely a month ago, they were hooping and hollering and posturing about how DF was the most hyped MMO on mmorpg.com... when they felt it bode well for the game, of course. Now that much of that "hype" has translated into well-deserved scrutiny (not the kind of attention they wanted), now certain fans are complaining about the game being "over hyped". Irony anyone? Like I've said before, and someone else in this thread echoed in their post... I wouldn't have even known about DF for as long as I have, had I not seen posts hyping it on another MMO's forums... and then again on 2 or 3 other MMOs forums. My first (and 2nd and 3rd) impression of the game's community was them bashing other MMOs, propping up DF as a game for "real hardcore" players, not for carebears, etc. This all happened ~2 years ago. In their mad rush to shove DF down everyone's throats, the fans have been doing more damage for this game's image than any troll ever could.
I've been waiting for Darkfall for nearly 3 years, the game has always had a good base with the community. The sound the game was making in the MMO industry back then was quiet and humble, with the people who did like it not saying much about it, and the people who thought it was never coming out keeping it to themselves (mostly).
This was the way it was up until they started giving a late 2008/Jan. 22 date. That's when the MMO community overall started paying attention to it and both overhyping fan boys that found out about the game yesterday and hard core nay-sayers starting griping the game everywhere both on the DF site and other forums, such as this one.
One of the main reasons DF started getting so much attention was this site, and when all the new people signing up on DF when they heard the sound of a release date, they started hyping this shit out of the game.
Now for a company that never wanted to make a game for everyone, they had designed this game for a certain group. And I browse these forums seeing people say they the developers are being over ambitious hyping the game way too much than it really is, when in fact the developers have only stated things they are trying to put in the game, and that they know the game won't please everyone.
It makes me think that when the media started saying the game was coming out soon and put a spotlight ont he game in return giving Darkfall a trashy community of new comers, did more harm to this game than it will ever do good.
With the new beta leaks I keep hearing the ressounding echo of it just needs a little more work and it will be just what the developers aimed for, that if the devs decide to shove the game out on the 25th of Feb and it turns out the beta leaks were right, it just needed some time, but they couldn't delay it because they would be harassed way to much by the media and loose a lot of the new comers that signed up due to sites like these.
tl;dr Version: Is the overwhelming attention given by sites such as this giving DF a trashy bunch of newcomers that will force Aventurine to release the game early even if it needs more time going to ruin the game? In my opinion this was the case of AoC, except AoC always wanted that attention, when DF doesn't.
revisionist history is pretty funny.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Ill never tire of the Darkfall fanbois. Never. Theyre like the vanbois but 20 times as trusting. Dont you just love the way the fanboys always respond to critisism by using the devs name to begin each sentence?
"They said theyd release on the 22nd and they didnt"
"Tasos felt that the game wasnt ready,although it actually is but its somone elses fault,as its actually running flawlessly right now. Tasos told us himself"
"But he said it was ready to release right now . Here,ive even got the link of the interview in which he said it"
"Tasos never said that,youve taken it all out of context,hes new at all this and probably got confused slightly. Im not listening.The sky is pink"
"Brad felt it wasnt the right time.The games ready for release,the worlds great no bugs and its better than wow because Brad told us,and none of you are invited cos you all love wow and are scrubs.We're the elite,so there."
"Bill was a dev on Diablo you know. BIll says the games great and ready for release,but we'll need to pay a sub fee as hes worked really hard.Ill be paying it."
No matter how much you polish a Tasos lie, its still a lie.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I've been waiting for Darkfall for nearly 3 years, the game has always had a good base with the community. The sound the game was making in the MMO industry back then was quiet and humble, with the people who did like it not saying much about it, and the people who thought it was never coming out keeping it to themselves (mostly). "Quiet and humble" not my choice of words but whatever makes you tick!
This was the way it was up until they started giving a late 2008/Jan. 22 date. That's when the MMO community overall started paying attention to it and both overhyping fan boys that found out about the game yesterday and hard core nay-sayers starting griping the game everywhere both on the DF site and other forums, such as this one. First of all there where at least 2(?) more release dates given before and i'm pretty sure as far as hype is concerned it wasn't much better than this time they had fanboys and nay-sayers playing their flame-wars back then as well The only thing different this time is that this is gonna be the last one.....come hell or high water. One of the main reasons DF started getting so much attention was this site, and when all the new people signing up on DF when they heard the sound of a release date, they started hyping this shit out of the game. So whoever was not an " 08er" or "09er" had absolutely nothing to do with hyping it?Is that right? I got a news flash for you hot-shot; i've been part of that community for almost 2 years now AND IT HASN'T CHANGED ONE BIT !!!!!! So don't blame it all on the new comers and don't stroke your e-peen too much you may go blind doing that too much you know.
Now for a company that never wanted to make a game for everyone, they had designed this game for a certain group. And I browse these forums seeing people say they the developers are being over ambitious hyping the game way too much than it really is, when in fact the developers have only stated things they are trying to put in the game, and that they know the game won't please everyone. So where is the harm in having an extra few thousand(?) more waiting for it?That should be considered a perk! Or aren't they in it for the money like the rest of those companies?
It makes me think that when the media started saying the game was coming out soon and put a spotlight ont he game in return giving Darkfall a trashy community of new comers, did more harm to this game than it will ever do good. There you go again bashing the "new comers" as they're EVERYTHING that is wrong with the game and like their money isn't as good as yours, just keep stroking that e-peen of yours a few more posts like this and you'll be as blind as a bat
With the new beta leaks I keep hearing the ressounding echo of it just needs a little more work and it will be just what the developers aimed for, that if the devs decide to shove the game out on the 25th of Feb and it turns out the beta leaks were right, it just needed some time, but they couldn't delay it because they would be harassed way to much by the media and loose a lot of the new comers that signed up due to sites like these. Well then they don't have to worry about any of that do they?I mean this game isn't for "everyone" it's only for a "certain group of people" ,so what do they care if they lose the newcomers?They still have the old faithfull niche community the one that they targeted all along.....or do they?
tl;dr Version: Is the overwhelming attention given by sites such as this giving DF a trashy bunch of newcomers that will force Aventurine to release the game early even if it needs more time going to ruin the game? In my opinion this was the case of AoC, except AoC always wanted that attention, when DF doesn't. Again nobody is forcing them to release it but themselves and their bad PR management they made promises, they broke them, they set release date(s), they cancelled them and now they're standing with their balls to the wall and the only option left to save any dignity remaining is release.
What is with people and yellow colored text, so fucking annoying.
Anyways... You take what I say and spin it, example I had already said that there were over hypers and nay sayers starting stuff before the new comers started rolling in, but it wasn't as bad.
And most of the new comers are trash that are coming from AoC/WAR.
And for the last part, when you take a game and have it release early because it's going to be scrutinized to a point of no belief, you are ruining it for everyone. And you are wrong when you say it's just their fault for getting in this position. It's not just Darkfall this has happened too, it's happened to countless other games. And it's the media to blame in my opinion for a large part of it.
I've already said DF could have managed it's PR better, so you are left with an empty statement there.
wow so im trash just because i played war and aoc and now chose to follow this game just wow thats missed up
Now for a company that never wanted to make a game for everyone, they had designed this game for a certain group i'm sure you or someone else who wants to blame or misdirect all the negitive attention this game gets off the dev team has a list of these people
just so i know am i on the list was the game being made and relesed to the public include me ?
Learn English so I can understand this post and I might throw a reply at it.
ohay here is my question again since you seem not to understand
you stated the devs never ment this game for everyone
i asked if you had access to the list of names who this game is for
there ya go
0/10 for failed wit.
The OP is correct, this game was designed for players seeking a specific kind of gameplay that doesn't really exist anywhere else.
Someone made a post a while back which got locked re fanbois vs trolls....and it was said that the fanbois of this game are not over zealous and do not attack people with valid critical opinions, and the op claims that it's the haters that do more harm than good, well, i see it otherwise.
In fact, google darkfall beta leaks, there is a prominant site that will come up at #2 (most of the time) and read the newest review by diabolique....and then come back and tell me, who is really hurting this game, the fanbois or the critic (aka hater).
Now for a company that never wanted to make a game for everyone, they had designed this game for a certain group i'm sure you or someone else who wants to blame or misdirect all the negitive attention this game gets off the dev team has a list of these people
just so i know am i on the list was the game being made and relesed to the public include me ?
Learn English so I can understand this post and I might throw a reply at it.
ohay here is my question again since you seem not to understand
you stated the devs never ment this game for everyone
i asked if you had access to the list of names who this game is for
there ya go
0/10 for failed wit.
The OP is correct, this game was designed for players seeking a specific kind of gameplay that doesn't really exist anywhere else.
except in games like eve online. which offer REAL ffa pvp.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Originally posted by harmonica Not sure, but I think it's sad that an indie team is being trashed and held up to a much higher standard than the uber rich design companies. They're an indie team trying to do something different - why all of the hate?Blizzard could make Darkfall right now (with much cooler graphics/animations and a quality engine) if it wanted to, but they won't. They only want to make what will make them the most money, so they say "fuck creativity" in favor of cash. That's fine, but it's not as admirable as the Darkfall team which is going with a risky niche game because it's a game they'd love to see - not because it's guaranteed money, which it obviously isn't. And I'm not so naive to think that Adventurine doesn't want money too, but at least they're trying to do something different.
Not that I do not like the idea of Darkfall..
But can you please explain to me what is so creative about it..?
It's a skillbased MMORPG just like UO and there simply isn't anything very creative about it all..
What it is on the other hand is a "huge risk" to try to release a game that is more/less untested with todays players, in a time where the current level model is the king
Will they like this or not ? Will it work as we thouhgt it would work or will all players do like this instead..
Yeah Yeah I also know that the fan base is saing Aventurine is releasing a game for a niche market, but Aventurine are only saing this because they know this is whats going to happen with the game 2009..And now it's something that the fanbase has picked up as cool thing to say in various forum debates, as something that should award Aventurine a medal or something. A Honerble gamer award or something..
But I highly doubt they started development of this game with knowledge their game would only attract maybe 100k players tops..Every company wants to sell as much as possible.
Not sure, but I think it's sad that an indie team is being trashed and held up to a much higher standard than the uber rich design companies. They're an indie team trying to do something different - why all of the hate?
Blizzard could make Darkfall right now (with much cooler graphics/animations and a quality engine) if it wanted to, but they won't. They only want to make what will make them the most money, so they say "fuck creativity" in favor of cash.
That's fine, but it's not as admirable as the Darkfall team which is going with a risky niche game because it's a game they'd love to see - not because it's guaranteed money, which it obviously isn't. And I'm not so naive to think that Adventurine doesn't want money too, but at least they're trying to do something different.
I feel sorry for the OP. He just wants a game to play in X,Y or whatever Z style.
Though this game development is a massive joke and indie developers or not the past few months have been very, very silly. We dont need to go into the reason here just go back in time a bit on these forums.
Few people on here have any faith in aventurine and even on the offical boards things look subdued or mocking of aventurine.
I was a little confused by your post and then *ding* I understood the problem. The problem can be summed up in two words: personal responsibility. No one forced Aventurine to set a release date. In 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2008 no one forced Aventurine to promise an open beta. The decision was made by Aventurine, and they are solely responsible for the decision.
I With the new beta leaks I keep hearing the ressounding echo of it just needs a little more work and it will be just what the developers aimed for, that if the devs decide to shove the game out on the 25th of Feb and it turns out the beta leaks were right, it just needed some time, but they couldn't delay it because they would be harassed way to much by the media and loose a lot of the new comers that signed up due to sites like these.
tl;dr Version: Is the overwhelming attention given by sites such as this giving DF a trashy bunch of newcomers that will force Aventurine to release the game early even if it needs more time going to ruin the game? In my opinion this was the case of AoC, except AoC always wanted that attention, when DF doesn't.
If Darkfall releases before it's ready, it will be because of one reason, and one reason only. Money. You can't pay the bills with well wishes from fanbois. At some point the money has to run out and you have to release the game.
Unless you have a Trillion dollars to spend on development. Then sure, you can wait another 50 years if you want to, you'll probably still have some money left to keep paying people, and paying for a building, etc.
I was a little confused by your post and then *ding* I understood the problem. The problem can be summed up in two words: personal responsibility. No one forced Aventurine to set a release date. In 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2008 no one forced Aventurine to promise an open beta. The decision was made by Aventurine, and they are solely responsible for the decision.
Agreed. Accountablity pointed in the proper direction.
Not sure, but I think it's sad that an indie team is being trashed and held up to a much higher standard than the uber rich design companies.
They're an indie team trying to do something different - why all of the hate?
Blizzard could make Darkfall right now (with much cooler graphics/animations and a quality engine) if it wanted to, but they won't. They only want to make what will make them the most money, so they say "fuck creativity" in favor of cash. That's fine, but it's not as admirable as the Darkfall team which is going with a risky niche game because it's a game they'd love to see - not because it's guaranteed money, which it obviously isn't.
And I'm not so naive to think that Adventurine doesn't want money too, but at least they're trying to do something different.
Not that I do not like the idea of Darkfall..
But can you please explain to me what is so creative about it..?
It's a skillbased MMORPG just like UO and there simply isn't anything very creative about it all..
What it is on the other hand is a "huge risk" to try to release a game that is more/less untested with todays players, in a time where the current level model is the king
Will they like this or not ? Will it work as we thouhgt it would work or will all players do like this instead..
Yeah Yeah I also know that the fan base is saing Aventurine is releasing a game for a niche market, but Aventurine are only saing this because they know this is whats going to happen with the game 2009..And now it's something that the fanbase has picked up as cool thing to say in various forum debates, as something that should award Aventurine a medal or something. A Honerble gamer award or something..
But I highly doubt they started development of this game with knowledge their game would only attract maybe 100k players tops..Every company wants to sell as much as possible.
You are correct.
There is nothing revolutionary or innovative about DFO. DFO is basically a new version of UO in a full 3D world. In fact the game borrows more from UO and other games. The FPS aspect has been done already and is being done in a few upcoming MMOs as well.
The 'Created for a niche audience' line is basically a safety net term. The same term was used by Sigil when making VG. Its there to cover themselves from looking like a failure if they dont reach some magic number set by some players and press that signifies a successful game. In a way the term makes sense as more and more MMOs are aimed at the 'everyman' player.
Its great that DFO is built on concepts that were originally founded by UO in the MMO genre, but there is nothing creative, revolutionary or innovative about ressurecting old design.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Truthfully you're giving them too much credit. The game will sink or swim on it's own merits no matter what is said on these or any other forums.
Grats on 1K posts.
I agree, nothing any forum has posted on it will impact DF's success or failure. Its all up to Aventurine really, and trying to lay the blame on others does the game a diservice.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
so you blame MMORPG.com specifically yet in your post you pin the blame on the media as a whole....
anyway i think an open site (such as this one) benefit the consumers (thats me and you) as it offers us multiple opinions on the product (baised/unbiased, positive/negative and informative/junk) which then allows the consumer (me and you again) to make a decision on the product. If i want decent infustry reviews and guides to the game i will go to Ten tonne hammer, likewise if i want a quick player review i will head over to IGN and disregard the official review and check out the player reviews.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
The OP is looking awfully hard for a bailout excuse, either to himself or to others already.
After following it for however long he has (3 years according to him) he finally starts seeing the light that "Hey this game might just be a pile of steaming crap when it launches next month" - So, he now wants to shift the blame from Tasos to mmorpg.com and other such media sites huh?
That's real convenient.
If this game launches next month and is a complete pile of garbage, it's Not Aventurine or Tasos fault. And Tasos still never lied or told any untruths. No way. It would be ALL the fault of mmorpg.com and other such sites acquiring too much attention and pressure on pool lil' Tasos and and forcing him to release the game before it is ready.
THAT is exactly what this guy is trying to say to us.
Oh my.
Shame on you mmorpg.com for causing Darkfall to be a piece of shit if it is! It will be ALL your fault! And shame on you also for making them release it and hype it up so now the mighty god Tasos will look tarnished, not like the "perfect god" that the OP sees him as!
ROTF.
Can we say "delusional"? Can we say "30 steps past the 'fanboy' stage"??
Well, hell I guess everyone needs to find something to believe in in their life here on earth.
Originally posted by daywalker27 tl;dr Version: Is the overwhelming attention given by sites such as this giving DF a trashy bunch of newcomers that will force Aventurine to release the game early even if it needs more time going to ruin the game? In my opinion this was the case of AoC, except AoC always wanted that attention, when DF doesn't.
If Aventurine are going to release a crappy MMORPG or a feature-incomplete release client, then they only have themselves to blame. History is today's best teacher.
The OP is looking awfully hard for a bailout excuse, either to himself or to others already. After following it for however long he has (3 years according to him) he finally starts seeing the light that "Hey this game might just be a pile of steaming crap when it launches next month" - So, he now wants to shift the blame from Tasos to mmorpg.com and other such media sites huh? That's real convenient. If this game launches next month and is a complete pile of garbage, it's Not Aventurine or Tasos fault. And Tasos still never lied or told any untruths. No way. It would be ALL the fault of mmorpg.com and other such sites acquiring too much attention and pressure on pool lil' Tasos and and forcing him to release the game before it is ready. THAT is exactly what this guy is trying to say to us. Oh my. Shame on you mmorpg.com for causing Darkfall to be a piece of shit if it is! It will be ALL your fault! And shame on you also for making them release it and hype it up so now the mighty god Tasos will look tarnished, not like the "perfect god" that the OP sees him as! ROTF. Can we say "delusional"? Can we say "30 steps past the 'fanboy' stage"?? Well, hell I guess everyone needs to find something to believe in in their life here on earth.
- Zaxx
The OP would make a great 2nd generation cultist after everyone else took the coolaid wouldn't he?
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To the OP. The exposure of this game on MMORPG did not start with a release date. That includes the illusion to the December release, the "official" January release, or the upcoming February release. The influx of fans on MMORPG started several months before that in the form of hyping the game through the mmorpg.com system, and worse, by fans of Darkfall rating every upcoming game negatively to bump Darkfall up to the top of the list (where it stayed until December failed to produce a release). At this same time Darkfall fans spammed nearly every individual game forum on MMORPG to try to gain support for their game. They failed in a major way here, by manipulating the hype/ratings system, and spamming the forums, they placed the game under player scrutiny, and have yet to peak above the trench since.
Games that they de-hyped included the Chronicles of Spellborn, Jumpgate Evolution, and Aion, all of which appear to be meeting their production goals and promises, with plenty of industry oversight. Darkfall is shooting itself in the foot. The hype their fanbase created here started a sort of war I am not sure Aventurtine can win.
Hey, if they had left the SWG Debris forums alone, I wouldn't even be posting this, so great job guys.
Hmmm. Nice take on the situation. I'll have to give this a little more thought, and throw it into the mix.
I mean dang, they even went as far as to post in the LotRO official forums. Haven't looked into the other games official forums yet.
O.P.:
MMORPG.COM doing more harm than good? Sorry, can't say I think so. If anything, they have cut AV/DF some slack by staying unbiased.
Sorry, haven't seen the harassment from MMORPG.COM that you speak off.
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
Holy Christoper, those are some sweet corners.
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
This is as good as it can be said imo...
PS. Good color selection
-Almerel
Hello my old friend.
What he said.
revisionist history is pretty funny.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Ill never tire of the Darkfall fanbois. Never. Theyre like the vanbois but 20 times as trusting. Dont you just love the way the fanboys always respond to critisism by using the devs name to begin each sentence?
"They said theyd release on the 22nd and they didnt"
"Tasos felt that the game wasnt ready,although it actually is but its somone elses fault,as its actually running flawlessly right now. Tasos told us himself"
"But he said it was ready to release right now . Here,ive even got the link of the interview in which he said it"
"Tasos never said that,youve taken it all out of context,hes new at all this and probably got confused slightly. Im not listening.The sky is pink"
"Brad felt it wasnt the right time.The games ready for release,the worlds great no bugs and its better than wow because Brad told us,and none of you are invited cos you all love wow and are scrubs.We're the elite,so there."
"Bill was a dev on Diablo you know. BIll says the games great and ready for release,but we'll need to pay a sub fee as hes worked really hard.Ill be paying it."
This is as good as it can be said imo...
PS. Good color selection
Heheh thanks. Blue, especially that shade, is a nice cool color; not hard on the eyes but still stands out.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
No matter how much you polish a Tasos lie, its still a lie.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Although if you polish it enough I've heard it becomes something else entirely.
What is with people and yellow colored text, so fucking annoying.
Anyways... You take what I say and spin it, example I had already said that there were over hypers and nay sayers starting stuff before the new comers started rolling in, but it wasn't as bad.
And most of the new comers are trash that are coming from AoC/WAR.
And for the last part, when you take a game and have it release early because it's going to be scrutinized to a point of no belief, you are ruining it for everyone. And you are wrong when you say it's just their fault for getting in this position. It's not just Darkfall this has happened too, it's happened to countless other games. And it's the media to blame in my opinion for a large part of it.
I've already said DF could have managed it's PR better, so you are left with an empty statement there.
wow so im trash just because i played war and aoc and now chose to follow this game just wow thats missed up
Learn English so I can understand this post and I might throw a reply at it.
ohay here is my question again since you seem not to understand
you stated the devs never ment this game for everyone
i asked if you had access to the list of names who this game is for
there ya go
0/10 for failed wit.
The OP is correct, this game was designed for players seeking a specific kind of gameplay that doesn't really exist anywhere else.
Someone made a post a while back which got locked re fanbois vs trolls....and it was said that the fanbois of this game are not over zealous and do not attack people with valid critical opinions, and the op claims that it's the haters that do more harm than good, well, i see it otherwise.
In fact, google darkfall beta leaks, there is a prominant site that will come up at #2 (most of the time) and read the newest review by diabolique....and then come back and tell me, who is really hurting this game, the fanbois or the critic (aka hater).
Learn English so I can understand this post and I might throw a reply at it.
ohay here is my question again since you seem not to understand
you stated the devs never ment this game for everyone
i asked if you had access to the list of names who this game is for
there ya go
0/10 for failed wit.
The OP is correct, this game was designed for players seeking a specific kind of gameplay that doesn't really exist anywhere else.
except in games like eve online. which offer REAL ffa pvp.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Not that I do not like the idea of Darkfall..
But can you please explain to me what is so creative about it..?
It's a skillbased MMORPG just like UO and there simply isn't anything very creative about it all..
What it is on the other hand is a "huge risk" to try to release a game that is more/less untested with todays players, in a time where the current level model is the king
Will they like this or not ? Will it work as we thouhgt it would work or will all players do like this instead..
Yeah Yeah I also know that the fan base is saing Aventurine is releasing a game for a niche market, but Aventurine are only saing this because they know this is whats going to happen with the game 2009..And now it's something that the fanbase has picked up as cool thing to say in various forum debates, as something that should award Aventurine a medal or something. A Honerble gamer award or something..
But I highly doubt they started development of this game with knowledge their game would only attract maybe 100k players tops..Every company wants to sell as much as possible.
Nice!
I feel sorry for the OP. He just wants a game to play in X,Y or whatever Z style.
Though this game development is a massive joke and indie developers or not the past few months have been very, very silly. We dont need to go into the reason here just go back in time a bit on these forums.
Few people on here have any faith in aventurine and even on the offical boards things look subdued or mocking of aventurine.
I was a little confused by your post and then *ding* I understood the problem. The problem can be summed up in two words: personal responsibility. No one forced Aventurine to set a release date. In 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2008 no one forced Aventurine to promise an open beta. The decision was made by Aventurine, and they are solely responsible for the decision.
If Darkfall releases before it's ready, it will be because of one reason, and one reason only. Money. You can't pay the bills with well wishes from fanbois. At some point the money has to run out and you have to release the game.
Unless you have a Trillion dollars to spend on development. Then sure, you can wait another 50 years if you want to, you'll probably still have some money left to keep paying people, and paying for a building, etc.
Agreed. Accountablity pointed in the proper direction.
Not that I do not like the idea of Darkfall..
But can you please explain to me what is so creative about it..?
It's a skillbased MMORPG just like UO and there simply isn't anything very creative about it all..
What it is on the other hand is a "huge risk" to try to release a game that is more/less untested with todays players, in a time where the current level model is the king
Will they like this or not ? Will it work as we thouhgt it would work or will all players do like this instead..
Yeah Yeah I also know that the fan base is saing Aventurine is releasing a game for a niche market, but Aventurine are only saing this because they know this is whats going to happen with the game 2009..And now it's something that the fanbase has picked up as cool thing to say in various forum debates, as something that should award Aventurine a medal or something. A Honerble gamer award or something..
But I highly doubt they started development of this game with knowledge their game would only attract maybe 100k players tops..Every company wants to sell as much as possible.
You are correct.
There is nothing revolutionary or innovative about DFO. DFO is basically a new version of UO in a full 3D world. In fact the game borrows more from UO and other games. The FPS aspect has been done already and is being done in a few upcoming MMOs as well.
The 'Created for a niche audience' line is basically a safety net term. The same term was used by Sigil when making VG. Its there to cover themselves from looking like a failure if they dont reach some magic number set by some players and press that signifies a successful game. In a way the term makes sense as more and more MMOs are aimed at the 'everyman' player.
Its great that DFO is built on concepts that were originally founded by UO in the MMO genre, but there is nothing creative, revolutionary or innovative about ressurecting old design.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Grats on 1K posts.
I agree, nothing any forum has posted on it will impact DF's success or failure. Its all up to Aventurine really, and trying to lay the blame on others does the game a diservice.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
so you blame MMORPG.com specifically yet in your post you pin the blame on the media as a whole....
anyway i think an open site (such as this one) benefit the consumers (thats me and you) as it offers us multiple opinions on the product (baised/unbiased, positive/negative and informative/junk) which then allows the consumer (me and you again) to make a decision on the product. If i want decent infustry reviews and guides to the game i will go to Ten tonne hammer, likewise if i want a quick player review i will head over to IGN and disregard the official review and check out the player reviews.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
The OP is looking awfully hard for a bailout excuse, either to himself or to others already.
After following it for however long he has (3 years according to him) he finally starts seeing the light that "Hey this game might just be a pile of steaming crap when it launches next month" - So, he now wants to shift the blame from Tasos to mmorpg.com and other such media sites huh?
That's real convenient.
If this game launches next month and is a complete pile of garbage, it's Not Aventurine or Tasos fault. And Tasos still never lied or told any untruths. No way. It would be ALL the fault of mmorpg.com and other such sites acquiring too much attention and pressure on pool lil' Tasos and and forcing him to release the game before it is ready.
THAT is exactly what this guy is trying to say to us.
Oh my.
Shame on you mmorpg.com for causing Darkfall to be a piece of shit if it is! It will be ALL your fault! And shame on you also for making them release it and hype it up so now the mighty god Tasos will look tarnished, not like the "perfect god" that the OP sees him as!
ROTF.
Can we say "delusional"? Can we say "30 steps past the 'fanboy' stage"??
Well, hell I guess everyone needs to find something to believe in in their life here on earth.
- Zaxx
If Aventurine are going to release a crappy MMORPG or a feature-incomplete release client, then they only have themselves to blame. History is today's best teacher.
The OP would make a great 2nd generation cultist after everyone else took the coolaid wouldn't he?