I started this thread the other day with the original post. Now we have almost 250 posts in this thread. Looks like about 40 posts have been completely deleted from this thread. Almost all of those posts that have been deleted have been removed because of personal attacks against me, name calling, etc etc. .... Is this really the kind of community that will be playing Darkfall anyhow? ... ..Just imagine how some of these same DF fans will react if they are playing Darkfall and get Pk'ed and looted of all their stuff ten times in a row. I mean I'm serious. If they can't even attack the posts I made against Tasos, but rather want to attack me and my intentions and all. ... - Zaxx
This is ultimately what I think will put the final nail in the coffin.
The community you build before the game even begins is the same community you get in game at release.
The community build around Darkfall is horrid. "Go back to WoW! (Carebear!)" will be their battlecry.
And people will.
Leaving them with a dead shell of a game which has insufficent funds for further development.
Originally posted by girlgeek ^^^Best post in this thread, other than the OP's. Although I truly WANT Darkfall to be a success, there is just no way in hell to argue against FACTS and common sense. Me...I'm just waiting as patiently as humanly possible. Anything Tasos says, is pretty much a moot issue to me, because I don't trust the guy any further than I can throw him. For me, it is impossible to judge this game in any way, shape, or form based only on information that is (a) a supposed beta leak ....even if it's a real example from beta...that's not the release quality (I'm being generous in my assumption here), (b) anything coming directly from Tasos, because he's been proven to be either an outright liar, or exaggerator, or (c) anything that a rabid fan or rabid hater says, because both are fairly irrational and lacking common sense. (Incidentally, the OP posted facts. Restating facts is not akin to being a hater, and those are things that can be validated and trusted.) I will make my own personal decisions about DF, as a GAME, if and WHEN we actually play it. I've ALREADY made my decision about Tasos.
I would disagree that I have seen facts that Tasos is a liar or deceitful as stated in the post title, unless Zaxtor99 can provide some proof of this such an internal memo saying something to the effect of "yes we know beta won't start until 2009 but tell the fans it's going to be 2005" then making such a claim is just speculation. Asking to provide proof of this is obviously unreasonable but I feel that he should be made to back it up as it's a a very strong accusation, although it would probably be better for him to not say this in the first place. Making claims that someone is a liar does not seem like fair play to me unless evidence is produced. This is why he makes himself look like a hater rather than a skeptic to some people.
Originally posted by girlgeek ^^^Best post in this thread, other than the OP's. Although I truly WANT Darkfall to be a success, there is just no way in hell to argue against FACTS and common sense. Me...I'm just waiting as patiently as humanly possible. Anything Tasos says, is pretty much a moot issue to me, because I don't trust the guy any further than I can throw him. For me, it is impossible to judge this game in any way, shape, or form based only on information that is (a) a supposed beta leak ....even if it's a real example from beta...that's not the release quality (I'm being generous in my assumption here), (b) anything coming directly from Tasos, because he's been proven to be either an outright liar, or exaggerator, or (c) anything that a rabid fan or rabid hater says, because both are fairly irrational and lacking common sense. (Incidentally, the OP posted facts. Restating facts is not akin to being a hater, and those are things that can be validated and trusted.) I will make my own personal decisions about DF, as a GAME, if and WHEN we actually play it. I've ALREADY made my decision about Tasos.
I would disagree that I have seen facts that Tasos is a liar or deceitful as stated in the post title, unless Zaxtor99 can provide some proof of this such an internal memo saying something to the effect of "yes we know beta won't start until 2009 but tell the fans it's going to be 2005" then making such a claim is just speculation. Asking to provide proof of this is obviously unreasonable but I feel that he should be made to back it up as it's a a very strong accusation, although it would probably be better for him to not say this in the first place. Making claims that someone is a liar does not seem like fair play to me unless evidence is produced. This is why he makes himself look like a hater rather than a skeptic to some people.
I won't ask you to read my whole OP man. Obviously that is way over your abilities. So I'll narrow it down to just ONE thing. Tasos, as he stated on Dec 4, 2008 said that Darkfall was "FEATURE COMPLETE and ready for launch now".. on that date of Dec 4. He said it was tested and ready for launch. Over two months ago as of now.
OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T as they are still patching it like mad and it is missing tons of promised features still.
Tell me please how this was not untruthful in your eyes. Please explain to me how you see that as "honest" in any way, shape, or form. And attacking me doesn't help your cause here.
Just one question since you seem to think Tasos is so great and such an honest and wonderful guy.
And let's refrain from using words like "holy", "trust", "faith", and "Almighty" huh? Those big spiritual words won't help you explain just this one simple question.
Originally posted by girlgeek ^^^Best post in this thread, other than the OP's. Although I truly WANT Darkfall to be a success, there is just no way in hell to argue against FACTS and common sense. Me...I'm just waiting as patiently as humanly possible. Anything Tasos says, is pretty much a moot issue to me, because I don't trust the guy any further than I can throw him. For me, it is impossible to judge this game in any way, shape, or form based only on information that is (a) a supposed beta leak ....even if it's a real example from beta...that's not the release quality (I'm being generous in my assumption here), (b) anything coming directly from Tasos, because he's been proven to be either an outright liar, or exaggerator, or (c) anything that a rabid fan or rabid hater says, because both are fairly irrational and lacking common sense. (Incidentally, the OP posted facts. Restating facts is not akin to being a hater, and those are things that can be validated and trusted.) I will make my own personal decisions about DF, as a GAME, if and WHEN we actually play it. I've ALREADY made my decision about Tasos.
I would disagree that I have seen facts that Tasos is a liar or deceitful as stated in the post title, unless Zaxtor99 can provide some proof of this such an internal memo saying something to the effect of "yes we know beta won't start until 2009 but tell the fans it's going to be 2005" then making such a claim is just speculation. Asking to provide proof of this is obviously unreasonable but I feel that he should be made to back it up as it's a a very strong accusation, although it would probably be better for him to not say this in the first place. Making claims that someone is a liar does not seem like fair play to me unless evidence is produced. This is why he makes himself look like a hater rather than a skeptic to some people.
Ummmm.. Tasos' own statements are the evidence...
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I won't ask you to read my whole OP man. Obviously that is way over your abilities. So I'll narrow it down to just ONE thing. Tasos, as he stated on Dec 4, 2008 said that Darkfall was "FEATURE COMPLETE and ready for launch now".. on that date of Dec 4. He said it was tested and ready for launch. Over two months ago as of now.
OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T as they are still patching it like mad and it is missing tons of promised features still.
Tell me please how this was not untruthful in your eyes. Please explain to me how you see that as "honest" in any way, shape, or form. And attacking me doesn't help your cause here.
Just one question since you seem to think Tasos is so great and such an honest and wonderful guy.
And let's refrain from using words like "holy", "trust", "faith", and "Oh Mighty" huh? Those big spiritual words won't help you explain just this one simple question.
- Zaxx
Show me your proof that Tasos knew that the game was not ready for launch when that post was made. If you cannot do this, as I suspect, I suggest you stop labeling it as a fact. Don't try pulling those fanboy / cultist cards as I have not to my recollection said that I believe he was telling the truth, I am merely asking you to back your statement up.
So are you going to back it up or just prevaricate?
If you cannot I suggest that you retract your claim and just state that he is an unreliable source of information.
I won't ask you to read my whole OP man. Obviously that is way over your abilities. So I'll narrow it down to just ONE thing. Tasos, as he stated on Dec 4, 2008 said that Darkfall was "FEATURE COMPLETE and ready for launch now".. on that date of Dec 4. He said it was tested and ready for launch. Over two months ago as of now.
OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T as they are still patching it like mad and it is missing tons of promised features still.
Tell me please how this was not untruthful in your eyes. Please explain to me how you see that as "honest" in any way, shape, or form. And attacking me doesn't help your cause here.
Just one question since you seem to think Tasos is so great and such an honest and wonderful guy.
And let's refrain from using words like "holy", "trust", "faith", and "Oh Mighty" huh? Those big spiritual words won't help you explain just this one simple question.
- Zaxx
Show me your proof that Tasos knew that the game was not ready for launch when that post was made. If you cannot do this, as I suspect, I suggest you stop labeling it as a fact. Don't try pulling those fanboy / cultist cards as I have not to my recollection said that I believe he was telling the truth, I am merely asking you to back your back your statement up.
So are you going to back it up or just prevaricate?
Well if he knew it wasnt ready, why would he post that it was?
Isnt saying something while knowing it to be untrue called a Lie?
And if you say something as fact when you have no clue about it not called a lie as well?
Lie:
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Originally posted by fyerwall Well if he knew it wasnt ready, why would he post that it was?
Isnt saying something while knowing it to be untrue called a Lie? And if you say something as fact when you have no clue about it not called a lie as well? Lie: 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
Yes I agree, but the point is Zaxxtor99 has not shown proof as he claims that Tasos knew it was a lie, despite how obvious it may or may not be. To be honest I highly doubt that he could produce such proof. I am just asking for fairness for him to hold himself to the same standards he is expecting of others.
Edit: His meaning is obviously the first 2 as he is using it in conjuction with deceit.
Originally posted by fyerwall Well if he knew it wasnt ready, why would he post that it was?
Isnt saying something while knowing it to be untrue called a Lie? And if you say something as fact when you have no clue about it not called a lie as well? Lie: 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
Yes I agree, but the point is Zaxxtor99 has not shown proof as he claims that Tasos knew it was a lie, despite how obvious it may or may not be. To be honest I highly doubt that he could produce such proof. I am just asking for fairness for him to hold himself to the same standards he is expecting of others.
The proof lies within Tasos' own statements, postition at the company, and the fact that his statements contradict the actualuality of the situation.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Originally posted by Blodpls Show me your proof that Tasos knew that the game was not ready for launch when that post was made. If you cannot do this, as I suspect, I suggest you stop labeling it as a fact. Don't try pulling those fanboy / cultist cards as I have not to my recollection said that I believe he was telling the truth, I am merely asking you to back your back your statement up. So are you going to back it up or just prevaricate?
Oh my.
Is this actually what you have to tell yourself to keep your faith in Tasos? Over and over and over and over and over and over and over (continued up-teen thousand times) over all the completely false BS he has spouted over the years.
So.. Tasos, the Associate Producer working with this project for OVER FIVE YEARS now, and he just "didn't know" that what he was saying was completely untrue huh?
..He actually believed himself that the game as feature complete and ready for launch" back on December 4, 2008 huh?
Hehe.
Oh my. No wonder you believe everything this guy says if you can actually tell yourself that about every BS lie he tells and actually believe it yourself. You BS yourself more then he BS's you.
Wow.
Just wow.
Dude, serious... have you even read my OP here, or just been throwing out blind attacks at me as soon as you read enough to know I wasn't praising your game? You REALLY need to read my OP before you attack me or my OP. You're making yourself look pretty silly to anyone else here who actually did read it.
Is this actually what you have to tell yourself to keep your faith in Tasos? Over and over and over and over and over and over and over (continued up-teen thousand times) over all the completely false BS he has spouted over the years.
So.. Tasos, the Associate Producer working with this project for OVER FIVE YEARS now, and he just "didn't know" that what he was saying was completely untrue huh?
..He actually believed himself that the game as feature complete and ready for launch" back on December 4, 2008 huh?
Hehe.
Oh my. No wonder you believe everything this guy says if you can actually tell yourself that about every BS lie he tells and actually believe it yourself. You BS yourself more then he BS's you.
Wow.
Just wow.
Dude, serious... have you even read my OP here, or just been throwing out blind attacks at me as soon as you read enough to know I wasn't praising your game? You REALLY need to read my OP before you attack me or my OP. You're making yourself look pretty silly to anyone else here who actually did read it.
- Zaxx
I have read your entire post. Seriously all I am asking for is some proof of deceit. I am not attacking you or claiming that Tasos is truthful, I am just asking in the interest of fairness that you provide some proof to back up your claim. After all you are claiming it is fact, and facts can normally be proven to be true. No matter how long a list of somebodies previous statements that turned out to be inaccurate that you can produce it is not proof that they are deceitful, it is only circumstantial.
I don't know what all this "keeping my faith in Tasos" malarkey is about as I only ever suggested to people that they "wait and see", that is hardly defending the game and I still stand by this.
Please don't reply with more of the I must believe everything Tasos say as I don't agree with you nonsense, just show some proof or is that too much to ask?
I don't see why this is taking multiple responses tbh, you either can or you cannont.
Originally posted by Blodpls Originally posted by zaxtor99
Oh my. Is this actually what you have to tell yourself to keep your faith in Tasos? Over and over and over and over and over and over and over (continued up-teen thousand times) over all the completely false BS he has spouted over the years. So.. Tasos, the Associate Producer working with this project for OVER FIVE YEARS now, and he just "didn't know" that what he was saying was completely untrue huh? ..He actually believed himself that the game as feature complete and ready for launch" back on December 4, 2008 huh? Hehe. Oh my. No wonder you believe everything this guy says if you can actually tell yourself that about every BS lie he tells and actually believe it yourself. You BS yourself more then he BS's you. Wow. Just wow. Dude, serious... have you even read my OP here, or just been throwing out blind attacks at me as soon as you read enough to know I wasn't praising your game? You REALLY need to read my OP before you attack me or my OP. You're making yourself look pretty silly to anyone else here who actually did read it.
- Zaxx
I have read your entire post. Seriously all I am asking for is some proof of deceit. I am not attacking you or claiming that Tasos is truthful, I am just asking in the interest of fairness that you provide some proof to back up your claim. After all you are claiming it is fact, and facts can normally be proven to be true. No matter how long a list of somebodies previous statements that turned out to be inaccurate that you can produce it is not proof that they are deceitful, it is only circumstantial. I don't know what all this "keeping my faith in Tasos" malarkey is about as I only ever suggested to people that they "wait and see", that is hardly defending the game and I still stand by this. Please don't reply with more of the I must believe everything Tasos say as I don't agree with you, just show some proof or is that too much to ask?
Dude, if you read my OP and that isn't enough proof to you that Tasos Flambouras is deceitful as hell, there isn't anything in this world I could say or do to prove that to you.
To me, you sound like a man that falls off a boat in the middle of a big lake drowning in water, and yelling at your buddies in the lake "Get me more water! I am dying of no water! ..Need more water!" as you splash around frantically.
Maybe it's just me tho. Maybe I am just too jaded. Who knows.
Dude, if you read my OP and that isn't enough proof to you that Tasos Flambouras is deceitful as hell, there isn't anything in this world I could say or do to prove that to you.
To me, you sound like a man that falls off a boat in the middle of a big lake drowning in water, and yelling at your buddies in the lake "Get me more water! I am dying of no water! ..Need more water!" as you splash around frantically.
Maybe it's just me tho. Maybe I am just too jaded. Who knows.
- Zaxx
Ok thats fine, it seems to me that your standards of proof are nowhere near what I would consider to be acceptable. Personally if I had made the OP I would have chosen much softer language, nobody could argue that information from Aventurine is unreliable.
-- I don't really think he has to prove anything more beyond Tasos's own quotes. It is OBVIOUS that, Tasos lied ...(see definitions 2 and 3 of the word LIE given in the post by Fyerwall ) that applies to a chunk of the links Zaxx provided. Definition 1 is not quite as obvious but they all don't have to be true for it to be a lie just any of them. Definitions 1 , 2 or 3 can be true and it is still a lie...
-- That said it is obvious that what he said about the betas and the game being complete was NOT accurate so it did give a false impression of the games state. (note* that is also a lie). Did he mean to give false info idk it really doesn't matter it is still a lie.
--- For instance if you have been told that the sun is ice cold your whole life and you believe that it doesn't make it any less a lie than if you know that it is not true.
---- just my 2 cents carry on ppl....... and to the OP Great post very well researched. Are you giving any posting classes?
Great post, OP! A little dose of truth is just what a lot of folks here need. When people are talking about pre-orders, it is important to think about not just what game you think Darkfall developers have created, but what kind of organization is running the game. We have all been in great games before [which I seriously doubt Darkfall is, and not according to the beta leaks I have read, but anyways...] we have all been in great games before where the game was ruined because of poor management by the folks running the game, such as abusing the community, no customer service, etc. Think about how Darkfall has been run as a company and their attitude towards their customers before you start sending these sharks your CC#.
Originally posted by SuperCrap Great post, OP! A little dose of truth is just what a lot of folks here need. When people are talking about pre-orders, it is important to think about not just what game you think Darkfall developers have created, but what kind of organization is running the game. We have all been in great games before [which I seriously doubt Darkfall is, and not according to the beta leaks I have read, but anyways...] we have all been in great games before where the game was ruined because of poor management by the folks running the game, such as abusing the community, no customer service, etc. Think about how Darkfall has been run as a company and their attitude towards their customers before you start sending these sharks your CC#.
That's my word.
Great advice. Think hard before you place your credit/debit card information online for any pre-order for this game
To be safe, I would HIGHLY ADVISE the following if you do decide to pre-order this game, just to be safe and protect yourself. Buy a pre-paid debit card. Walmart and Walgreens stores in the USA sell these I know, typically they are either free or like $5. Then you have the cashier put your $50 or whatever the game will cost total on the pre-paid debit card. This way, it won't be possible for you to be double charged, ten-times charged, etc for your purchase, and you won't even have to deal with the headache or having to wait weeks to get your money back. And yes, these pre-paid debit cards have Visa or Mastercard logos on them, so they are also backed by their support guidelines as well.
..Just some good advice for anyone that is going to pre-order Darkfall.
Zaxx. Can you not just let this thread die please?
I know this is like your fourth or fifth attempt in creating a thread with a dashing "three-line" topic and that you this time did succeed in having people biting your troll bait. I am not thrilled.
If you want to hire Machete to kill the bad guys, you better make damn sure the bad guy isnt you!
Originally posted by dummenumse Zaxx. Can you not just let this thread die please? I know this is like your fourth or fifth attempt in creating a thread with a dashing "three-line" topic and that you this time did succeed in having people biting your troll bait. I am not thrilled.
ROTF, Shouldn't you have been banned a long time ago for name calling, flaming, and getting so upset about all the negative posts about your beloved game? Heh.
And furthermore, I know you hate any and all threads that don't put your game or your god Tasos in the best of light. What ever will you do when judgment day finally arrives for your game and it gets an overall thumbs down as opposed to pointing towards the heavens as Tasos has promised you so many times in your Darkfall forums bible that you so faithfully believe in?
Zaxx. Can you not just let this thread die please?
I know this is like your fourth or fifth attempt in creating a thread with a dashing "three-line" topic and that you this time did succeed in having people biting your troll bait. I am not thrilled.
ROTF, Shouldn't you have been banned a long time ago for name calling, flaming, and getting so upset about all the negative posts about your beloved game? Heh.
And furthermore, I know you hate any and all threads that don't put your game or your god Tasos in the best of light. What ever will you do when judgment day finally arrives for your game and it gets an overall thumbs down as opposed to pointing towards the heavens as Tasos has promised you so many times in your Darkfall forums bible that you so faithfully believe in?
- Zaxx
Luckily I have not been banned, which I appreciate.
And your threads are in no way constructive critiques. It is like your personal vendetta to ruin whatever potential this game may have.
It almost looks like you are getting paid for this, I can not imagine how much time you must have put into those hundreds of long replies you have been posting for months here.
If you want to hire Machete to kill the bad guys, you better make damn sure the bad guy isnt you!
Originally posted by dummenumse Luckily I have not been banned, which I appreciate.
And your threads are in no way constructive critiques. It is like your personal vendetta to ruin whatever potential this game may have.
It almost looks like you are getting paid for this, I can not imagine how much time you must have put into those hundreds of long replies you have been posting for months here.
My OP here may not have been "constructive" in your eyes, and like I have said, I understand that it doesn't make Tasos look like the godly image you had envisioned. I've said this before, but perhaps you missed it.. It is not my fault that Tasos said all that total BS that I quoted and provided links to in my OP. I'm simply pointing out that not everything Tasos tells you fans is the golden truth as so many of you fans seem to believe.
Understand, that I am not picking on you alone and singling you out. People like myself are here to help neutralize the rabid fanboy stampeding that would be going on if we wasn't here. If people like myself wasn't here to oppose the ridiculous claims about how great Tasos and Darkfall is, then your fans would get bored staying in the Darkfall forums and spread out and start penetrating other threads, insulting already released games like Warhammer and World of Warcraft trying to tell everyone how much better Darkfall is then their game.. even though Darkfall isn't even released yet.
Not everyone's opinion is the same. That is why there are forum boards such as these so that people may discuss their different opinions of a certain game.
And I would certainly argue that my posts are a helluva lot more constructive and valuable then are your posts which have typically only been posted to flame, name call, and add insults to anyone who doesn't feel the same as you do about Darkfall Online or Tasos.
Until you have payed money for Product A, you have no right to complain about Product A. The haters should shut up. I've payed money for Eve Online, so I have a right to complain about Eve Online, and I says it's a Ganker's paradise.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Until you have payed money for Product A, you have no right to complain about Product A. The haters should shut up. I've payed money for Eve Online, so I have a right to complain about Eve Online, and I says it's a Ganker's paradise.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
Until you have payed money for Product A, you have no right to complain about Product A. The haters should shut up. I've payed money for Eve Online, so I have a right to complain about Eve Online, and I says it's a Ganker's paradise.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
To even try and compare a great, high quality and already released and successful game like Eve Online to the currently still vaporware pile of crap that is Darkfall Online is utterly absurd and ridiculous. I can't even believe I have been "dumbed down" enough by the Darkfall fanatics so much already that I am even debating this stupidity with you.
No, I don't currenlty subscribe to Eve Online. I prefer fantasy mmo games, and only played Eve on and off for about 2 months. But I also know that Eve Online kicks the living shit out of what is currently available in beta called Darkfall.
Until you have payed money for Product A, you have no right to complain about Product A. The haters should shut up. I've payed money for Eve Online, so I have a right to complain about Eve Online, and I says it's a Ganker's paradise.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
To even try and compare a great, high quality and already released and successful game like Eve Online to the currently still vaporware pile of crap that is Darkfall Online is utterly absurd and ridiculous. I can't even believe I have been "dumbed down" enough by the Darkfall fanatics so much already that I am even debating this stupidity with you.
No, I don't currenlty subscribe to Eve Online. I prefer fantasy mmo games, and only played Eve on and off for about 2 months. But I also know that Eve Online kicks the living shit out of what is currently available in beta called Darkfall.
From what i've seen and read, Darkfall will kick the ass of Eve Online.
Until you have payed money for Product A, you have no right to complain about Product A. The haters should shut up. I've payed money for Eve Online, so I have a right to complain about Eve Online, and I says it's a Ganker's paradise.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
To even try and compare a great, high quality and already released and successful game like Eve Online to the currently still vaporware pile of crap that is Darkfall Online is utterly absurd and ridiculous. I can't even believe I have been "dumbed down" enough by the Darkfall fanatics so much already that I am even debating this stupidity with you.
No, I don't currenlty subscribe to Eve Online. I prefer fantasy mmo games, and only played Eve on and off for about 2 months. But I also know that Eve Online kicks the living shit out of what is currently available in beta called Darkfall.
From what i've seen and read, Darkfall will kick the ass of Eve Online.
Yes, it is currently doing something full of "ass" - Here are the TOP 12 REASONS how Darkfall = "Ass":
1) If you want to kill something/someone and not be able to loot it, "ass"
2) If you want to wait 30 seconds for a gravestone to appear to loot, nice "ass"
3) If you like running the exact same speed as every other player no matter how much you skill up, "ass" again
4) If you like boring fighting that consists of only 2 actions over and over, more "ass-tastic fun.
5) If you like magery that blows chunks and you can do more damage with the worst weapon, guess what?
6) If you enjoy running at a super slow frame rate and speed if over 5 people are near you, YAY! ASS Man!
7) If you enjoy spawning at any town and seeing 40 greys that only find fun in trying to gank you immediately, ass fun man (and no, not a hot ass either, we are talking big fat hairy wart infested type ass when I say ass)
8) If you enjoy loot that all looks almost exactly the same, and every character looks identical, ASS!
9) If you enjoy walking for miles without seeing a mob while exploring, ASS-TASTIC!
10) If you enjoy complete lack of NPCs and banks as big grey boxes in the middle of a town, yep, Ass again!
11) If you enjoy mindlessly shooting spells into the air or ground just to skill up, hairy ass fun, oh boy!
12) If you enjoy clicking your mouse clickety click click and think that is more skill then clicking hot bar icons in WoW, then I guess you have some real hairy ass skills over the WoW players, but I would care to disagree.
Yes, I agree on how much Darkfall LICKS ASS! Oops did you say kicks ass or licks ass? Surely you made a typo.
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This is ultimately what I think will put the final nail in the coffin.
The community you build before the game even begins is the same community you get in game at release.
The community build around Darkfall is horrid. "Go back to WoW! (Carebear!)" will be their battlecry.
And people will.
Leaving them with a dead shell of a game which has insufficent funds for further development.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
I would disagree that I have seen facts that Tasos is a liar or deceitful as stated in the post title, unless Zaxtor99 can provide some proof of this such an internal memo saying something to the effect of "yes we know beta won't start until 2009 but tell the fans it's going to be 2005" then making such a claim is just speculation. Asking to provide proof of this is obviously unreasonable but I feel that he should be made to back it up as it's a a very strong accusation, although it would probably be better for him to not say this in the first place. Making claims that someone is a liar does not seem like fair play to me unless evidence is produced. This is why he makes himself look like a hater rather than a skeptic to some people.
I won't ask you to read my whole OP man. Obviously that is way over your abilities. So I'll narrow it down to just ONE thing. Tasos, as he stated on Dec 4, 2008 said that Darkfall was "FEATURE COMPLETE and ready for launch now".. on that date of Dec 4. He said it was tested and ready for launch. Over two months ago as of now.
OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T as they are still patching it like mad and it is missing tons of promised features still.
Tell me please how this was not untruthful in your eyes. Please explain to me how you see that as "honest" in any way, shape, or form. And attacking me doesn't help your cause here.
Just one question since you seem to think Tasos is so great and such an honest and wonderful guy.
And let's refrain from using words like "holy", "trust", "faith", and "Almighty" huh? Those big spiritual words won't help you explain just this one simple question.
- Zaxx
I would disagree that I have seen facts that Tasos is a liar or deceitful as stated in the post title, unless Zaxtor99 can provide some proof of this such an internal memo saying something to the effect of "yes we know beta won't start until 2009 but tell the fans it's going to be 2005" then making such a claim is just speculation. Asking to provide proof of this is obviously unreasonable but I feel that he should be made to back it up as it's a a very strong accusation, although it would probably be better for him to not say this in the first place. Making claims that someone is a liar does not seem like fair play to me unless evidence is produced. This is why he makes himself look like a hater rather than a skeptic to some people.
Ummmm.. Tasos' own statements are the evidence...
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I won't ask you to read my whole OP man. Obviously that is way over your abilities. So I'll narrow it down to just ONE thing. Tasos, as he stated on Dec 4, 2008 said that Darkfall was "FEATURE COMPLETE and ready for launch now".. on that date of Dec 4. He said it was tested and ready for launch. Over two months ago as of now.
OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T as they are still patching it like mad and it is missing tons of promised features still.
Tell me please how this was not untruthful in your eyes. Please explain to me how you see that as "honest" in any way, shape, or form. And attacking me doesn't help your cause here.
Just one question since you seem to think Tasos is so great and such an honest and wonderful guy.
And let's refrain from using words like "holy", "trust", "faith", and "Oh Mighty" huh? Those big spiritual words won't help you explain just this one simple question.
- Zaxx
Show me your proof that Tasos knew that the game was not ready for launch when that post was made. If you cannot do this, as I suspect, I suggest you stop labeling it as a fact. Don't try pulling those fanboy / cultist cards as I have not to my recollection said that I believe he was telling the truth, I am merely asking you to back your statement up.
So are you going to back it up or just prevaricate?
If you cannot I suggest that you retract your claim and just state that he is an unreliable source of information.
I won't ask you to read my whole OP man. Obviously that is way over your abilities. So I'll narrow it down to just ONE thing. Tasos, as he stated on Dec 4, 2008 said that Darkfall was "FEATURE COMPLETE and ready for launch now".. on that date of Dec 4. He said it was tested and ready for launch. Over two months ago as of now.
OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T as they are still patching it like mad and it is missing tons of promised features still.
Tell me please how this was not untruthful in your eyes. Please explain to me how you see that as "honest" in any way, shape, or form. And attacking me doesn't help your cause here.
Just one question since you seem to think Tasos is so great and such an honest and wonderful guy.
And let's refrain from using words like "holy", "trust", "faith", and "Oh Mighty" huh? Those big spiritual words won't help you explain just this one simple question.
- Zaxx
Show me your proof that Tasos knew that the game was not ready for launch when that post was made. If you cannot do this, as I suspect, I suggest you stop labeling it as a fact. Don't try pulling those fanboy / cultist cards as I have not to my recollection said that I believe he was telling the truth, I am merely asking you to back your back your statement up.
So are you going to back it up or just prevaricate?
Well if he knew it wasnt ready, why would he post that it was?
Isnt saying something while knowing it to be untrue called a Lie?
And if you say something as fact when you have no clue about it not called a lie as well?
Lie:
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Yes I agree, but the point is Zaxxtor99 has not shown proof as he claims that Tasos knew it was a lie, despite how obvious it may or may not be. To be honest I highly doubt that he could produce such proof. I am just asking for fairness for him to hold himself to the same standards he is expecting of others.
Edit: His meaning is obviously the first 2 as he is using it in conjuction with deceit.
Yes I agree, but the point is Zaxxtor99 has not shown proof as he claims that Tasos knew it was a lie, despite how obvious it may or may not be. To be honest I highly doubt that he could produce such proof. I am just asking for fairness for him to hold himself to the same standards he is expecting of others.
The proof lies within Tasos' own statements, postition at the company, and the fact that his statements contradict the actualuality of the situation.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Oh my.
Is this actually what you have to tell yourself to keep your faith in Tasos? Over and over and over and over and over and over and over (continued up-teen thousand times) over all the completely false BS he has spouted over the years.
So.. Tasos, the Associate Producer working with this project for OVER FIVE YEARS now, and he just "didn't know" that what he was saying was completely untrue huh?
..He actually believed himself that the game as feature complete and ready for launch" back on December 4, 2008 huh?
Hehe.
Oh my. No wonder you believe everything this guy says if you can actually tell yourself that about every BS lie he tells and actually believe it yourself. You BS yourself more then he BS's you.
Wow.
Just wow.
Dude, serious... have you even read my OP here, or just been throwing out blind attacks at me as soon as you read enough to know I wasn't praising your game? You REALLY need to read my OP before you attack me or my OP. You're making yourself look pretty silly to anyone else here who actually did read it.
- Zaxx
Oh my.
Is this actually what you have to tell yourself to keep your faith in Tasos? Over and over and over and over and over and over and over (continued up-teen thousand times) over all the completely false BS he has spouted over the years.
So.. Tasos, the Associate Producer working with this project for OVER FIVE YEARS now, and he just "didn't know" that what he was saying was completely untrue huh?
..He actually believed himself that the game as feature complete and ready for launch" back on December 4, 2008 huh?
Hehe.
Oh my. No wonder you believe everything this guy says if you can actually tell yourself that about every BS lie he tells and actually believe it yourself. You BS yourself more then he BS's you.
Wow.
Just wow.
Dude, serious... have you even read my OP here, or just been throwing out blind attacks at me as soon as you read enough to know I wasn't praising your game? You REALLY need to read my OP before you attack me or my OP. You're making yourself look pretty silly to anyone else here who actually did read it.
- Zaxx
I have read your entire post. Seriously all I am asking for is some proof of deceit. I am not attacking you or claiming that Tasos is truthful, I am just asking in the interest of fairness that you provide some proof to back up your claim. After all you are claiming it is fact, and facts can normally be proven to be true. No matter how long a list of somebodies previous statements that turned out to be inaccurate that you can produce it is not proof that they are deceitful, it is only circumstantial.
I don't know what all this "keeping my faith in Tasos" malarkey is about as I only ever suggested to people that they "wait and see", that is hardly defending the game and I still stand by this.
Please don't reply with more of the I must believe everything Tasos say as I don't agree with you nonsense, just show some proof or is that too much to ask?
I don't see why this is taking multiple responses tbh, you either can or you cannont.
Oh my.
Is this actually what you have to tell yourself to keep your faith in Tasos? Over and over and over and over and over and over and over (continued up-teen thousand times) over all the completely false BS he has spouted over the years.
So.. Tasos, the Associate Producer working with this project for OVER FIVE YEARS now, and he just "didn't know" that what he was saying was completely untrue huh?
..He actually believed himself that the game as feature complete and ready for launch" back on December 4, 2008 huh?
Hehe.
Oh my. No wonder you believe everything this guy says if you can actually tell yourself that about every BS lie he tells and actually believe it yourself. You BS yourself more then he BS's you.
Wow.
Just wow.
Dude, serious... have you even read my OP here, or just been throwing out blind attacks at me as soon as you read enough to know I wasn't praising your game? You REALLY need to read my OP before you attack me or my OP. You're making yourself look pretty silly to anyone else here who actually did read it.
- Zaxx
I have read your entire post. Seriously all I am asking for is some proof of deceit. I am not attacking you or claiming that Tasos is truthful, I am just asking in the interest of fairness that you provide some proof to back up your claim. After all you are claiming it is fact, and facts can normally be proven to be true. No matter how long a list of somebodies previous statements that turned out to be inaccurate that you can produce it is not proof that they are deceitful, it is only circumstantial.
I don't know what all this "keeping my faith in Tasos" malarkey is about as I only ever suggested to people that they "wait and see", that is hardly defending the game and I still stand by this.
Please don't reply with more of the I must believe everything Tasos say as I don't agree with you, just show some proof or is that too much to ask?
Dude, if you read my OP and that isn't enough proof to you that Tasos Flambouras is deceitful as hell, there isn't anything in this world I could say or do to prove that to you.
To me, you sound like a man that falls off a boat in the middle of a big lake drowning in water, and yelling at your buddies in the lake "Get me more water! I am dying of no water! ..Need more water!" as you splash around frantically.
Maybe it's just me tho. Maybe I am just too jaded. Who knows.
- Zaxx
Dude, if you read my OP and that isn't enough proof to you that Tasos Flambouras is deceitful as hell, there isn't anything in this world I could say or do to prove that to you.
To me, you sound like a man that falls off a boat in the middle of a big lake drowning in water, and yelling at your buddies in the lake "Get me more water! I am dying of no water! ..Need more water!" as you splash around frantically.
Maybe it's just me tho. Maybe I am just too jaded. Who knows.
- Zaxx
Ok thats fine, it seems to me that your standards of proof are nowhere near what I would consider to be acceptable. Personally if I had made the OP I would have chosen much softer language, nobody could argue that information from Aventurine is unreliable.
--To Blodpls
-- I don't really think he has to prove anything more beyond Tasos's own quotes. It is OBVIOUS that, Tasos lied ...(see definitions 2 and 3 of the word LIE given in the post by Fyerwall ) that applies to a chunk of the links Zaxx provided. Definition 1 is not quite as obvious but they all don't have to be true for it to be a lie just any of them. Definitions 1 , 2 or 3 can be true and it is still a lie...
-- That said it is obvious that what he said about the betas and the game being complete was NOT accurate so it did give a false impression of the games state. (note* that is also a lie). Did he mean to give false info idk it really doesn't matter it is still a lie.
--- For instance if you have been told that the sun is ice cold your whole life and you believe that it doesn't make it any less a lie than if you know that it is not true.
---- just my 2 cents carry on ppl....... and to the OP Great post very well researched. Are you giving any posting classes?
Great post, OP! A little dose of truth is just what a lot of folks here need. When people are talking about pre-orders, it is important to think about not just what game you think Darkfall developers have created, but what kind of organization is running the game. We have all been in great games before [which I seriously doubt Darkfall is, and not according to the beta leaks I have read, but anyways...] we have all been in great games before where the game was ruined because of poor management by the folks running the game, such as abusing the community, no customer service, etc. Think about how Darkfall has been run as a company and their attitude towards their customers before you start sending these sharks your CC#.
That's my word.
The one and only.
Great advice. Think hard before you place your credit/debit card information online for any pre-order for this game
To be safe, I would HIGHLY ADVISE the following if you do decide to pre-order this game, just to be safe and protect yourself. Buy a pre-paid debit card. Walmart and Walgreens stores in the USA sell these I know, typically they are either free or like $5. Then you have the cashier put your $50 or whatever the game will cost total on the pre-paid debit card. This way, it won't be possible for you to be double charged, ten-times charged, etc for your purchase, and you won't even have to deal with the headache or having to wait weeks to get your money back. And yes, these pre-paid debit cards have Visa or Mastercard logos on them, so they are also backed by their support guidelines as well.
..Just some good advice for anyone that is going to pre-order Darkfall.
- Zaxx
Zaxx. Can you not just let this thread die please?
I know this is like your fourth or fifth attempt in creating a thread with a dashing "three-line" topic and that you this time did succeed in having people biting your troll bait. I am not thrilled.
If you want to hire Machete to kill the bad guys, you better make damn sure the bad guy isnt you!
ROTF, Shouldn't you have been banned a long time ago for name calling, flaming, and getting so upset about all the negative posts about your beloved game? Heh.
And furthermore, I know you hate any and all threads that don't put your game or your god Tasos in the best of light. What ever will you do when judgment day finally arrives for your game and it gets an overall thumbs down as opposed to pointing towards the heavens as Tasos has promised you so many times in your Darkfall forums bible that you so faithfully believe in?
- Zaxx
ROTF, Shouldn't you have been banned a long time ago for name calling, flaming, and getting so upset about all the negative posts about your beloved game? Heh.
And furthermore, I know you hate any and all threads that don't put your game or your god Tasos in the best of light. What ever will you do when judgment day finally arrives for your game and it gets an overall thumbs down as opposed to pointing towards the heavens as Tasos has promised you so many times in your Darkfall forums bible that you so faithfully believe in?
- Zaxx
Luckily I have not been banned, which I appreciate.
And your threads are in no way constructive critiques. It is like your personal vendetta to ruin whatever potential this game may have.
It almost looks like you are getting paid for this, I can not imagine how much time you must have put into those hundreds of long replies you have been posting for months here.
If you want to hire Machete to kill the bad guys, you better make damn sure the bad guy isnt you!
My OP here may not have been "constructive" in your eyes, and like I have said, I understand that it doesn't make Tasos look like the godly image you had envisioned. I've said this before, but perhaps you missed it.. It is not my fault that Tasos said all that total BS that I quoted and provided links to in my OP. I'm simply pointing out that not everything Tasos tells you fans is the golden truth as so many of you fans seem to believe.
Understand, that I am not picking on you alone and singling you out. People like myself are here to help neutralize the rabid fanboy stampeding that would be going on if we wasn't here. If people like myself wasn't here to oppose the ridiculous claims about how great Tasos and Darkfall is, then your fans would get bored staying in the Darkfall forums and spread out and start penetrating other threads, insulting already released games like Warhammer and World of Warcraft trying to tell everyone how much better Darkfall is then their game.. even though Darkfall isn't even released yet.
Not everyone's opinion is the same. That is why there are forum boards such as these so that people may discuss their different opinions of a certain game.
And I would certainly argue that my posts are a helluva lot more constructive and valuable then are your posts which have typically only been posted to flame, name call, and add insults to anyone who doesn't feel the same as you do about Darkfall Online or Tasos.
- Zaxx
Until you have payed money for Product A, you have no right to complain about Product A. The haters should shut up.
I've payed money for Eve Online, so I have a right to complain about Eve Online, and I says it's a Ganker's paradise.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
To even try and compare a great, high quality and already released and successful game like Eve Online to the currently still vaporware pile of crap that is Darkfall Online is utterly absurd and ridiculous. I can't even believe I have been "dumbed down" enough by the Darkfall fanatics so much already that I am even debating this stupidity with you.
No, I don't currenlty subscribe to Eve Online. I prefer fantasy mmo games, and only played Eve on and off for about 2 months. But I also know that Eve Online kicks the living shit out of what is currently available in beta called Darkfall.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
To even try and compare a great, high quality and already released and successful game like Eve Online to the currently still vaporware pile of crap that is Darkfall Online is utterly absurd and ridiculous. I can't even believe I have been "dumbed down" enough by the Darkfall fanatics so much already that I am even debating this stupidity with you.
No, I don't currenlty subscribe to Eve Online. I prefer fantasy mmo games, and only played Eve on and off for about 2 months. But I also know that Eve Online kicks the living shit out of what is currently available in beta called Darkfall.
From what i've seen and read, Darkfall will kick the ass of Eve Online.
LMFAO. If you think Eve is a harsh virtual existence, then you should quite plainly stay the hell out of the world that Darkfall shall present to you. AAAAAA! Wrong Eve Online fanboy. Eve Online is a ganker's paradise because you must pass through these narrow gates called "wormholes" as you travel from one zone (system) to another zone (system), and a PVP'er can "web" you making movement impossible as you get ganked. Looks like there will be no "gate camping" in darkfall, and the ease to escape from PVP would be like UO.
Atleast Eve presents a stable working environment for which you can play in, and Darkfall will not only present you to a world full of nothing but e-peen comparing azzholes, but a world that will also be unstable as hell and its bugs and errors will also grief you to death.
Sounds like fun, lol.
Maybe you are just mad because there will not be time-skill-training, and you can't gank noobs anymore simply because you have been subscribed a little bit longer then the noobs.
To even try and compare a great, high quality and already released and successful game like Eve Online to the currently still vaporware pile of crap that is Darkfall Online is utterly absurd and ridiculous. I can't even believe I have been "dumbed down" enough by the Darkfall fanatics so much already that I am even debating this stupidity with you.
No, I don't currenlty subscribe to Eve Online. I prefer fantasy mmo games, and only played Eve on and off for about 2 months. But I also know that Eve Online kicks the living shit out of what is currently available in beta called Darkfall.
From what i've seen and read, Darkfall will kick the ass of Eve Online.
Yes, it is currently doing something full of "ass" - Here are the TOP 12 REASONS how Darkfall = "Ass":
1) If you want to kill something/someone and not be able to loot it, "ass"
2) If you want to wait 30 seconds for a gravestone to appear to loot, nice "ass"
3) If you like running the exact same speed as every other player no matter how much you skill up, "ass" again
4) If you like boring fighting that consists of only 2 actions over and over, more "ass-tastic fun.
5) If you like magery that blows chunks and you can do more damage with the worst weapon, guess what?
6) If you enjoy running at a super slow frame rate and speed if over 5 people are near you, YAY! ASS Man!
7) If you enjoy spawning at any town and seeing 40 greys that only find fun in trying to gank you immediately, ass fun man (and no, not a hot ass either, we are talking big fat hairy wart infested type ass when I say ass)
8) If you enjoy loot that all looks almost exactly the same, and every character looks identical, ASS!
9) If you enjoy walking for miles without seeing a mob while exploring, ASS-TASTIC!
10) If you enjoy complete lack of NPCs and banks as big grey boxes in the middle of a town, yep, Ass again!
11) If you enjoy mindlessly shooting spells into the air or ground just to skill up, hairy ass fun, oh boy!
12) If you enjoy clicking your mouse clickety click click and think that is more skill then clicking hot bar icons in WoW, then I guess you have some real hairy ass skills over the WoW players, but I would care to disagree.
Yes, I agree on how much Darkfall LICKS ASS! Oops did you say kicks ass or licks ass? Surely you made a typo.