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WAR's European Population?
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I will begin this thread by stating that this is not meant to be a flame thread, so please keep flames out.
I have a simple question: how is the population doing in the EU version of WAR? The reason why I ask? Though I am loving LotRO at the moment, I realise it is something I can't play all the time without getting bored. I would like to come back to WAR at some point, but am wondering if it is worth coming back to WAR EU or trying to import a copy of the game from the US.
I am particularly interested in the English servers. My old server I rolled Order on 'died', but I rolled Destro on one of the more healthy servers a few months ago. I think it was EN Karak Eight Peaks. If I were to go back to the EU version of WAR, would I be able to play on that server and have a good population still to play alongside? Are there other decently populated English servers?
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I play on 'Karak Hirn' which seems to have a pretty decent population both in terms of actual numbers & the players themselves. Join a reasonably sized guild & you should be fine.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
Overall the population in the EU is pretty bad even the more "populated" server aren't anywhere near as active as they once where.
AS for Karak Eight Peaks its one of the more active server so you should be ok but be aware that Destro's population has seen a sharpe decline lately and some sources claim that order now has a 3-1 advantage in tier 4 ATM.
Honestly couldn't tell you, but if you decide to jump through the hoops to play NA, send me a pm. My guild on Phoenix throne has people from all over the world, so that we can have people playing at all times (in theory)
We have several europeans playing with us, from German, to English, Dutch, you name it. We even have a couple guys out of Singapore and Japan.
There are plenty of NA servers that are jumping right now.
I made a order guy on Dark Crag (Orvr) just for grins earlier and my jaw dropped at the madhouse that was tier 1. It was pretty insane. The server load was Order=high Destro= full (18) at about 8pm pacific time.
My normal server is Phoenix throne, and there is a pretty hefty population there also.
Karak-Norn took in alot of people when the servers were offered transfers its pretty busy, I thought it had more population than K8P but I play order on K8P so I might be off on that a bit.
I am also on Karak Hirn, and I would recommend it.
we have some good RvR going on -in and outside primetime in T4. I dont know about T1-3, but when they introduce the two new classes, I think it would be a good time jo join as a wave of alts will be traveling up the Tiers.
The comunity is great. PUGs in this game really restored my faith in human kind
oh, and we have a pretty good Order to Destruction ration, with a few more Destro, but Order beeing highly organized and tough fighters.
The pops not that great anymore..its almost like a ghost town during the day,but evenings fill up a bit.You can usually find 8 or so servers on med/med in primetime,depending on what ruleset youre looking for so you have a decetn enough choice.
Eltharion EU isnt too bad.
Hmm thanks for that. I might do that. It's possible to sub with a British billing address then? I've had some issues with a few companies when I tried to do that with American versions. For example, I was visiting the US last year and couldn't buy something on Steam because I was using a British card in the States.
Ack, so K8P is more Order than Destro? Wow, the population was balanced between the two factions the last time I played. What happened?? If I go back to K8P, maybe I won't pick up my Zealot since it seems to be the red-headed step child on the Destro side
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Hmm thanks for that. I might do that. It's possible to sub with a British billing address then? I've had some issues with a few companies when I tried to do that with American versions. For example, I was visiting the US last year and couldn't buy something on Steam because I was using a British card in the States.
Ack, so K8P is more Order than Destro? Wow, the population was balanced between the two factions the last time I played. What happened?? If I go back to K8P, maybe I won't pick up my Zealot since it seems to be the red-headed step child on the Destro side
You have to remember people are cancelling their accounts in droves right now and the game currently has less than 300.000 subscribers and dropping fast. That's why they have been closing servers, merging servers, firing people in 2 rounds and so on. However, they just opened up Russian servers, that's why they are claiming their subscription numbers are increasing right now but 30 days from now when most people prefer not to renew their accounts in Russia as well, it will drop even lower most likely.
As people continue to leave the balance of power on the servers could easily switch too of course.
Hmm thanks for that. I might do that. It's possible to sub with a British billing address then? I've had some issues with a few companies when I tried to do that with American versions. For example, I was visiting the US last year and couldn't buy something on Steam because I was using a British card in the States.
Ack, so K8P is more Order than Destro? Wow, the population was balanced between the two factions the last time I played. What happened?? If I go back to K8P, maybe I won't pick up my Zealot since it seems to be the red-headed step child on the Destro side
You have to remember people are cancelling their accounts in droves right now and the game currently has less than 300.000 subscribers and dropping fast. That's why they have been closing servers, merging servers, firing people in 2 rounds and so on. However, they just opened up Russian servers, that's why they are claiming their subscription numbers are increasing right now but 30 days from now when most people prefer not to renew their accounts in Russia as well, it will drop even lower most likely.
As people continue to leave the balance of power on the servers could easily switch too of course.
Hmmm, seems to me the report said more than 300K players and no mention of "droves" leaving. I can only state that I have seen quite a few new players on Burlok of late (nothing like a 20% bonus to draw in the crowds). I have also seen more players in T3 during the day lately too.
Leaving aside the obsession that posters on this board have to post terrible negative statements about the game (for whatever reason), I would like to point out the problem with American servers. Having played DAoC for over four years on the American servers, I can only point out that even on the most populated of servers, the action starts happens just when we Europeans are about to head off to bed. And despite "low" populations on both LoTR and WAR, I have had much more fun on Euro servers (and I really did enjoy playing on the American servers).
Hmmm, seems to me the report said more than 300K players and no mention of "droves" leaving. I can only state that I have seen quite a few new players on Burlok of late (nothing like a 20% bonus to draw in the crowds). I have also seen more players in T3 during the day lately too.
Leaving aside the obsession that posters on this board have to post terrible negative statements about the game (for whatever reason), I would like to point out the problem with American servers. Having played DAoC for over four years on the American servers, I can only point out that even on the most populated of servers, the action starts happens just when we Europeans are about to head off to bed. And despite "low" populations on both LoTR and WAR, I have had much more fun on Euro servers (and I really did enjoy playing on the American servers).
Yes that is a very good point noblot. I only played DAoC Europe long enough after release to get a level 50 on Excal and then got the American version. On the US servers, It was ok before ToA, but once ToA released, I found it extremely difficult to get the ToA material accomplished without relying on weekends and strange hours. But in the case of WAR, do you mean just simple oRvR or anything? I mean, are the US servers completely empty up until US EST primetime?
Neller2000, I don't think for a second that Mythic laying off staff is purely a result of WAR doing worse than they expected. A lot of game companies are going to suffer from the failing economy. WAR isn't as bad as people here make it out to be. I think it would be a lot more popular if people weren't starting to worry about their money since many of the MMO players in the West are 20-40 year olds who are suffering the main brunt of job loss. That being said, game companies have to deal with the banks too, y'know the ones that aren't lending to anyone? Mythic is in a particularly vulnerable position right now having just released WAR. I'm pretty sure I read though that they made back their costs and even made a profit, but if Mythic has to in any way, shape or form borrow money they're going to be struggling.
It has come as a surprise to a lot of people (including me) that apparently profitable companies still borrow money. That's one of the reasons why so many people are losing their jobs: too much reliance of companies on going into debt.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
It is not possibel that Mythic made that much money yet, WAR was extremly expensive to make. MJ said himself that they need 250K players every month to make any profit at all.
But right now they are earning enough money to pay all their bills and enough to at least make EA happy enough to keep the game running and that is gold worth.
The world economy do matters, particulary people who otherwise would update their computer to be able to run the game will not afford it now but WAR are not good with keeping it's players, MJ said that DaoC was extremly good at this but WAR will have to change to keep more new players one way or another. Firing GOAs butt would probably help some, can't see why WAR is doing so much worse in EU otherwise since the IP are extremly big here.
Hmm thanks for that. I might do that. It's possible to sub with a British billing address then? I've had some issues with a few companies when I tried to do that with American versions. For example, I was visiting the US last year and couldn't buy something on Steam because I was using a British card in the States.
Ack, so K8P is more Order than Destro? Wow, the population was balanced between the two factions the last time I played. What happened?? If I go back to K8P, maybe I won't pick up my Zealot since it seems to be the red-headed step child on the Destro side
You have to remember people are cancelling their accounts in droves right now and the game currently has less than 300.000 subscribers and dropping fast. That's why they have been closing servers, merging servers, firing people in 2 rounds and so on. However, they just opened up Russian servers, that's why they are claiming their subscription numbers are increasing right now but 30 days from now when most people prefer not to renew their accounts in Russia as well, it will drop even lower most likely.
As people continue to leave the balance of power on the servers could easily switch too of course.
Where do you get this stuff? the last thing mentioned about subs said they had "over 300k subs." These figures are from the end of december. Russian servers released YESTERDAY.
Please stop misleading people. By the way, Korea and Taiwan releases are coming soon also.
In regards to the OP asking about british billing address for NA servers...I don't know how that works, but I know members of our guild play NA from England and Whales, even Ireland. I do recall one of our German members having billing issues due to the way their credit card system worked, but I don't know if that was Germany specific or EU in general. Sorry to not be more help there.
Probably from X-fire, but I doubt the game have been losing players fast lately, I do think they have kept losing players however.
Hopefully the russians will turn the curve however.
I wouldn't hold my breath for Korea and Taiwan, they seems to be more into games like L2 and Aion.
Probably from X-fire, but I doubt the game have been losing players fast lately, I do think they have kept losing players however.
Hopefully the russians will turn the curve however.
I wouldn't hold my breath for Korea and Taiwan, they seems to be more into games like L2 and Aion.
Dunno, have you seen what the asian invasion did to Shadowbane? Holy crap. I think they will flock to any game where they can mass in large numbers and either roll over anyone who opposes them or lag the server to death.
I dunno about losing players. I mean, they are losing some, but they are gaining also. I see tons of noobs all the time on Phoenix throne. (real noobs, not transfers.) And I rolled a toon up on one of the more populated open rvr servers this week and holy crap were there a ton of people in T1, both during primetime and early morning as well.
I can't speak for EU servers though, every person I know from the EU plays on NA servers.
edit: Toss an item mall in the korean version and they'll make a bazillion dollars! I kid! I kid! Not really!
Im contemplating returning to the EU servers, and i found a good post by one of the GOA reps about the good servers:
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3354525#3354525
* Karak-Azgal is the largest server in Europe, and also well balanced.
* Karak Eight Peaks is large and sport many active guilds. However, there is a surplus of Order players here and so any Destruction players will find themselves in great company!
* Karak-Norn is of equal size to Karak Eight Peaks and is further well balanced.
* Karak-Hirn is somewhat smaller than the others but still well populated. There's somewhat more Destruction players on the server but this will likely be adjusted soon enough thanks to the Order bonus.
I've been reading a bit about the doom and gloom with EA Mythic lay offs, but I am convinced it's not purely due to WAR's theoretical quality as perceived from the eyes of vocal forum posters. I am not a Mythic fanboi: I am just looking at job losses across industries too, especially from things I've been reading on the Beeb's website, the Financial Times, MSNBC, etc. If we round it to 150/400ish people being laid off from Mythic, that is not unsurprising, considering that teams on game projects decrease in size after a launch of a game. It's not just the case in MMOs, it's even more apparent in other types of games. So that combined with job loss as a result of the bad economy 150/400 staff being laid off is lower than it could be.
I am pretty sure I read that they are profitable. No one in the public knows how much was spent on development, with Mythic only saying that it was southwards of $100 million. Does that mean $99.999999 million? Does that mean $60 million? We won't know.
I agree with the couple of posters here who say that WAR Europe should be doing better though, and linking the poor performance to GOA. GOA really messed it up at launch without providing a way to set up a sub straight away. To get my sub set up again with WAR Europe will be a pain in the butt because I have to use some other payment method other than credit cards thanks to GOA's wonderful service. That compounded with low population (from what you guys are telling me) is why I am vascillating between going back to WAR Europe or trying out WAR US.
However, the poster above me posts some encouraging things... if I can persuade GOA's website to cooperate with me, maybe I'll give it another shot.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.