Originally posted by imbant It is online gaming....the DF community is no worse or better than any other game...and you also cant judge what the community will be based on the VERY low % of the community who is on pre release forums, nevermind the ones who post regularily.
I wonder if there's truth to this. Darkfall, unlike every other MMO, has spread mostly through word-of-mouth of people on forums.
While I wouldn't doubt that there are a great many people interested who aren't forum-goers, I'd wager that Darkfall has a significantly higher percentage of forum-active people than then other MMOs out there.
I mean, look on the Darkfall forums. Community is everything in an MMO, and people complain about the Runescape and WoW communities being immature, from mere guilds like Goon Squad killing their own faction members, or at least aiding in killing them. As far as I can tell, almost all the people waiting on Darkfall are Goon Squad wannabes, a bunch of vicious, idiotic bastards, arguing over scraps of information, and beating down newbies at every chance. I mean, they argue on when they CREATED THEIR ACCOUNTS. Do you really want to play a game where there will be no way to leave the starting zones because a bunch of idiots who want to be Dreadlords are sitting outside? I don't. Especially if it's them and their fifty man army, getting ready to teabag anyone who comes into their grasp. Really, look at the forums, the idea of a pre-Renaissance UO is nice, but it will never come to be, simply due to the huge amount of shitheads that've started coming into MMOs with the rest of the unwashed masses. "OMFG NOOB U ONLY SIGNED UP TWO YEAHS AGO FFS IMMA GUNNA FIND U AND CORPSE CAMP U DEN TEABAG U WITH ALL MAH MAX LEVEL FRIENDS BECUZ I R SO LEET"
Its sounds exatly as the WoW community! And that have been no problem for WoW.
Seriously, have you tryed the beta? No, i guess not. Lets here from them how WoW like it is...or if its more of a sandbox community in a hard PvP world. There is no place for idiotes in one of those you know.
Do you really want to play a game where there will be no way to leave the starting zones because a bunch of idiots who want to be Dreadlords are sitting outside? I don't.
Well then it looks like that is settled! Since you have decided that you don't want to play, and probably never did, you can stop making threads trashing a community and a game that you won't be playing.
Have I missed something? Why are people dooming this game because of its community, am I the only person who sees how horrible this game looks? I’ve seen some pre rendered videos and they look okay but any in game footage looks like puke with a UI. I get you can’ “Judge a Book by its Cover” but its 2009 and a game shouldn’t look like this. Who cares about the trollers and the corpse campers, I’m not paying for a game that looks like this, Please provide links to prove me wrong about the look of the game!!
Have I missed something? Why are people dooming this game because of its community, am I the only person who sees how horrible this game looks? I’ve seen some pre rendered videos and they look okay but any in game footage looks like puke with a UI. I get you can’ “Judge a Book by its Cover” but its 2009 and a game shouldn’t look like this. Who cares about the trollers and the corpse campers, I’m not paying for a game that looks like this, Please provide links to prove me wrong about the look of the game!!
Yes, you have indeed missed something.
For one, you have missed that this thread title is a hypothetic question.
Have I missed something? Why are people dooming this game because of its community, am I the only person who sees how horrible this game looks? I’ve seen some pre rendered videos and they look okay but any in game footage looks like puke with a UI. I get you can’ “Judge a Book by its Cover” but its 2009 and a game shouldn’t look like this. Who cares about the trollers and the corpse campers, I’m not paying for a game that looks like this, Please provide links to prove me wrong about the look of the game!!
Yes, you have indeed missed something.
For one, you have missed that this thread title is a hypothetic question.
Lol, nice try. First the title is not a question but a statement. If the title was “WILL a Perfect Release With All Features Save This Game?” but it wasn’t.
Second, my statement was about the look of the game. I could deal with a community of QQ’ers and even the campers if the game looked good enough to play. I needed clarification on that, does this game look good enough to play? But because of the poor community people won’t?
Nothing will save this game. Darkfall is as big a joke as Duke Nukem Forever. There still are some dilusional fanboys over at DNF's forum drooling at the non-existent releasedate and years old gameplay videos and screenshots. Sounds familiar??
Yes the fourth of sixth barrier to this game becoming a success is the pond scum that seem to inhabit the offical DF forums. There are some intelligent reasonable people on there but most are pure unfiltered moron. Though personally I think DF might be a tad dumbed down so the game might suit them all fine. Well for the six of seven minutes before the go elsewhere.
And yes its so true.. they argue over when there accounts were created. I love watching e-peen drama though so all is good.
WoW's community sucks and it's the most successful MMO in history. That completely discredits the OP's statement. However, I do agree that a good community is generally a requirement for success. If a game launches with all the features activated and it's a "perfect release", I believe the community will build around the success of the game rather than a half-ass game succeeding because of a good community. I think a good example of this is Vanguard.
In short, if the game launch goes relatively well, the people will grow around it. "If you build it, they will come!" but people's expectations are very high in todays MMO market so you better build it right.
As for people complaining about the forum community towards Darkfall. Do you actually think most of these "Nostradamus'" of MMO's have any idea what they are talking about? If you flame every game, eventually you get one right. If Darkfall is a success, they will move onto another game with their Y2K Doomsday predictions. Perhaps the new SW mmo will be their next target. They spread like a wild fire in Australia or herpes from a 2 dollar whore.
If this game has the same community as WoW, that'd be a pretty bad thing. As a sandbox PVP title, the community creates the majority of the content. As opposed to WoW, in which developers create the majority of the content. The best chance for survival is to try and foster an EVE-type environment. Tell these guys to fix their siege warfare if the'd like to have that!
I just don't see any of the Eve style higher level strategy coming into this games. Imagine Global banking in Eve... go to any station and get yer stuff.. Sounds mad, yet this full loot game proposes this. Who knows maybe Tasos decided to go for a slice of the WoW pie after all ?
I mean, look on the Darkfall forums. Community is everything in an MMO, and people complain about the Runescape and WoW communities being immature, from mere guilds like Goon Squad killing their own faction members, or at least aiding in killing them. As far as I can tell, almost all the people waiting on Darkfall are Goon Squad wannabes, a bunch of vicious, idiotic bastards, arguing over scraps of information, and beating down newbies at every chance. I mean, they argue on when they CREATED THEIR ACCOUNTS. Do you really want to play a game where there will be no way to leave the starting zones because a bunch of idiots who want to be Dreadlords are sitting outside? I don't. Especially if it's them and their fifty man army, getting ready to teabag anyone who comes into their grasp. Really, look at the forums, the idea of a pre-Renaissance UO is nice, but it will never come to be, simply due to the huge amount of shitheads that've started coming into MMOs with the rest of the unwashed masses. "OMFG NOOB U ONLY SIGNED UP TWO YEAHS AGO FFS IMMA GUNNA FIND U AND CORPSE CAMP U DEN TEABAG U WITH ALL MAH MAX LEVEL FRIENDS BECUZ I R SO LEET"
I don't want to troll or derail the thread or anything, but I am fascinated how your epic l33t sp33k somehow managed to break out of the site's border.
I mean, look on the Darkfall forums. Community is everything in an MMO, and people complain about the Runescape and WoW communities being immature, from mere guilds like Goon Squad killing their own faction members, or at least aiding in killing them. As far as I can tell, almost all the people waiting on Darkfall are Goon Squad wannabes, a bunch of vicious, idiotic bastards, arguing over scraps of information, and beating down newbies at every chance. I mean, they argue on when they CREATED THEIR ACCOUNTS. Do you really want to play a game where there will be no way to leave the starting zones because a bunch of idiots who want to be Dreadlords are sitting outside? I don't. Especially if it's them and their fifty man army, getting ready to teabag anyone who comes into their grasp. Really, look at the forums, the idea of a pre-Renaissance UO is nice, but it will never come to be, simply due to the huge amount of shitheads that've started coming into MMOs with the rest of the unwashed masses. "OMFG NOOB U ONLY SIGNED UP TWO YEAHS AGO FFS IMMA GUNNA FIND U AND CORPSE CAMP U DEN TEABAG U WITH ALL MAH MAX LEVEL FRIENDS BECUZ I R SO LEET"
I don't want to troll or derail the thread or anything, but I am fascinated how your epic l33t sp33k somehow managed to break out of the site's border.
Thank god you mentioned it cause i was starting to think it was just me and that there was something wrong with my rig.....
I mean, look on the Darkfall forums. Community is everything in an MMO, and people complain about the Runescape and WoW communities being immature, from mere guilds like Goon Squad killing their own faction members, or at least aiding in killing them. As far as I can tell, almost all the people waiting on Darkfall are Goon Squad wannabes, a bunch of vicious, idiotic bastards, arguing over scraps of information, and beating down newbies at every chance. I mean, they argue on when they CREATED THEIR ACCOUNTS. Do you really want to play a game where there will be no way to leave the starting zones because a bunch of idiots who want to be Dreadlords are sitting outside? I don't. Especially if it's them and their fifty man army, getting ready to teabag anyone who comes into their grasp. Really, look at the forums, the idea of a pre-Renaissance UO is nice, but it will never come to be, simply due to the huge amount of shitheads that've started coming into MMOs with the rest of the unwashed masses. "OMFG NOOB U ONLY SIGNED UP TWO YEAHS AGO FFS IMMA GUNNA FIND U AND CORPSE CAMP U DEN TEABAG U WITH ALL MAH MAX LEVEL FRIENDS BECUZ I R SO LEET"
lmfao, good call. This is exactly what it will be like.
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I love the Forumfall community. Our OT isn't filled with shit like: "wats yur fave anime" or "wat was your first crush xDDD."
Its nice to have a community that has the balls to hotly debate and troll each other without getting butthurt over it. Its just that recently, with all the newcomers posting questions like: "we needs pets in DF' get instantly smashed by long term users. And then the OP will proceed to whine about it in further threads about how "elitist" everyone is. Like elitism is a problem.
Darkfall isn't sunday school, the community fits the realistic PvP environment the game will represent almost perfectly. Man up.
Bloody hell, your post has so much crap in it.
First off, elitism IS a problem, especially if they try to crush newbies, and force them out of wanting to play the game, especially whilst still on the forums. It just means you're slowly killing the game yourselves, instead of even allowing Aventure to do it
No, elitism is not a problem in this game. The fact that you think so clearly demonstrates why YOU don't fit in with our community. Darkfall is not looking to be a mass marketed, dumbed down game targeted towards all audiences. Aventurine has said that many times. They don't need tons of customers from all spectrums.
We were all newcomers to the DF community at one point, its just that some of us were man enough to pull through until we fit in. Grow a pair?
It's not the newcomer's fault if Aventurine lied about what features would be in the game UP TO A WEEK BEFORE RELEASE, and then the newcomer finds out, decides "well, that isn't right" and then complains about it.
They mentioned what wouldn't be in ages back. As far back as two years. All this information can be found in the FAQ and by using the search.
It does not have a realistic environment (which is what you ultimately get, if you have a "realistic PvP environment"). Just look at it, there're no player run shops, commodity prices, anything like that! If you want realistic environment ideas, just look at the two blog posts of mine, which are more focused on making a living, breathing world, for players to live in,
Its a realistic PVP environment. I guess I wasn't clear enough. If you think it isn't, then you're new to MMOs
than to allow them to go smack someone down and then teabag them, whilst /lol'ing.
If you think this is what Darkfall will be about, you're quite limited by your imagination and intellect. I can't help you there. However, let me post you a link to one of many promient guilds that will be joining DF and you can tell me whether you think it will be filled with 12 year old wannabe PKers.
The "community" is immature, unable to retain new members and filled with trolls who get trolled by trolls. When the game is released, you will quickly see many of these people leave, as even THEY realise how horrible the "community" is. They will also be the first to be crying about it on the forums, and you know why? Because forums bullshit does not equate to in game reality.
I'd love to take that bet. Let me give you some food for thought. If you want a great representation of the politics and how the community will be ingame, look at this:
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While I wouldn't doubt that there are a great many people interested who aren't forum-goers, I'd wager that Darkfall has a significantly higher percentage of forum-active people than then other MMOs out there.
Its sounds exatly as the WoW community! And that have been no problem for WoW.
Seriously, have you tryed the beta? No, i guess not. Lets here from them how WoW like it is...or if its more of a sandbox community in a hard PvP world. There is no place for idiotes in one of those you know.
The OP is very mature and his opinions are very logical and well thought out. We should all take him very serious.
Well then it looks like that is settled! Since you have decided that you don't want to play, and probably never did, you can stop making threads trashing a community and a game that you won't be playing.
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Have I missed something? Why are people dooming this game because of its community, am I the only person who sees how horrible this game looks? I’ve seen some pre rendered videos and they look okay but any in game footage looks like puke with a UI. I get you can’ “Judge a Book by its Cover” but its 2009 and a game shouldn’t look like this. Who cares about the trollers and the corpse campers, I’m not paying for a game that looks like this, Please provide links to prove me wrong about the look of the game!!
Yes, you have indeed missed something.
For one, you have missed that this thread title is a hypothetic question.
Yes, you have indeed missed something.
For one, you have missed that this thread title is a hypothetic question.
Lol, nice try. First the title is not a question but a statement. If the title was “WILL a Perfect Release With All Features Save This Game?” but it wasn’t.
Second, my statement was about the look of the game. I could deal with a community of QQ’ers and even the campers if the game looked good enough to play. I needed clarification on that, does this game look good enough to play? But because of the poor community people won’t?
You Fail at trolling
Nothing will save this game. Darkfall is as big a joke as Duke Nukem Forever. There still are some dilusional fanboys over at DNF's forum drooling at the non-existent releasedate and years old gameplay videos and screenshots. Sounds familiar??
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Yes the fourth of sixth barrier to this game becoming a success is the pond scum that seem to inhabit the offical DF forums. There are some intelligent reasonable people on there but most are pure unfiltered moron. Though personally I think DF might be a tad dumbed down so the game might suit them all fine. Well for the six of seven minutes before the go elsewhere.
And yes its so true.. they argue over when there accounts were created. I love watching e-peen drama though so all is good.
WoW's community sucks and it's the most successful MMO in history. That completely discredits the OP's statement. However, I do agree that a good community is generally a requirement for success. If a game launches with all the features activated and it's a "perfect release", I believe the community will build around the success of the game rather than a half-ass game succeeding because of a good community. I think a good example of this is Vanguard.
In short, if the game launch goes relatively well, the people will grow around it. "If you build it, they will come!" but people's expectations are very high in todays MMO market so you better build it right.
As for people complaining about the forum community towards Darkfall. Do you actually think most of these "Nostradamus'" of MMO's have any idea what they are talking about? If you flame every game, eventually you get one right. If Darkfall is a success, they will move onto another game with their Y2K Doomsday predictions. Perhaps the new SW mmo will be their next target. They spread like a wild fire in Australia or herpes from a 2 dollar whore.
If this game has the same community as WoW, that'd be a pretty bad thing.
As a sandbox PVP title, the community creates the majority of the content. As opposed to WoW, in which developers create the majority of the content.
The best chance for survival is to try and foster an EVE-type environment. Tell these guys to fix their siege warfare if the'd like to have that!
I just don't see any of the Eve style higher level strategy coming into this games. Imagine Global banking in Eve... go to any station and get yer stuff.. Sounds mad, yet this full loot game proposes this. Who knows maybe Tasos decided to go for a slice of the WoW pie after all ?
I don't want to troll or derail the thread or anything, but I am fascinated how your epic l33t sp33k somehow managed to break out of the site's border.
I don't want to troll or derail the thread or anything, but I am fascinated how your epic l33t sp33k somehow managed to break out of the site's border.
Thank god you mentioned it cause i was starting to think it was just me and that there was something wrong with my rig.....
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
lmfao, good call. This is exactly what it will be like.