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The Phenomenon TROLL and Why they post "Failure" type posts...
Conza
Member Posts: 119
As I am sure you know, patch 1.04 just hit AoC Live servers today (with a quick hotfix right after) and there have been more activity on the AoC forums than normal. All kinds of stuff get posted and I want to share one epic thread with you, A troll caught with his pants down. First I was just laughing but then I started to think, why are people doing stuff like this, and thats pretty much what I want to discuss with you in this thread (for people that want to derail the thread, that last sentence pretty much defined what you are supposed to talk about)
This is how it goes:
Today, 08:02 PM #1
Keenly
Title: out of memory errors are back with DX10
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twice in 45 minutes
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Today, 08:05 PM #2
JareenVorn
Ranger Aquilonian
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DX10 isnt in this patch
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Today, 08:21 PM #3
Sacrificial
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Oh my...that is Epicpwnge.
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
LOL. OMG a guy says that DX10 has memory leak and DX10 was not even in patch 1.04... this is the essence of what we AoC players have to deal with on daily basis. Why are people paying 15$ to post shet like that? Let's discuss it. Do you think it is some kind of psycology thing that comes with humans on internet? Do you think "trolls" are getting a rush of lying/spreading misinformation or is perhaps more like an compulsory thing like Turrets syndrom? Do you think this is normal? Do you think posts like this are made by worried fanbois of other MMOs, or are some people paid to do stuff like this? This was just a few questions that can be asked about the thing I just shared with you, but feel free to rais any other question realted to the topic.
Lets discuss the nature of the troll. The phenomenon TROLL.
Comments
I'm not sure what game you play, but the Age of Conan game I got has a big box on it that says, enhanced for DX 10.
Are you saying that a feature advertised on the box still is not in the game?
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Though thanks for pointing out memory leaks are back in the game, that was news to me.
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From what I gather most of the people supporting AoC seem to do it because they enjoy trolling people rather than any affinity (aside from professional) to this game..........how else could they be so logic defying for so long?
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
If you HAVE to be pissy about anything you should share my anger that mammoth tanks were excluded from Command and Conquer: Tiberium Sun even though they appear on the box. I WAS FURIOUS!
Since you need help, the OP's was pointing out a fellow who MADE UP and issue to try to stir trouble. The fact is DX10 is not in-game and the fellow never experienced a memory leak either. It was made up, kind of like the information you typically spout.
Seems like they were in there, here are 300 of them!
www.youtube.com/watch
*Spoiler from a C&C:TS player made Faq*
Mammoth Tank
Rating: *****
Upgrades: Railguns
Requirements: Tech Center
Summery: This is the mother of all tanks. It can hit both ground and
air targets and has TONS of armor. The Mammoth is awfully slow so be
prepared to take a few casualties just on the way to the enemies base.
This tank is effective against everything in the game even infantry.
Spamming them late game is often all people will do because of their
might. These combined with Zone Troopers make a VERY effective late
game assault force that can take on even the heaviest of armor or
defenses. Be sure to research the railgun upgrade as soon as you start
building them because it increases their power against all ground units
by a large margin. If you spam any ground unit in the game, this is by
far the best one. Some go so far as to say people are noobs when they
spam them because "they take no skill." This is very true, unless he
also has other units supporting them.
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Now DX 10, all the raid content at release.....still not in this game.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
I'd rather discuss a manipulative defensive strategy referred to as deflection. The disastrous release of this game is no secret, with bugs, unavailable content, and policy changes (back and forth) regarding how "mature" the npc's should be, just to name a few issues. One outcome of this was the departure of a Funcom Exec--if information I heard from a friend is accurate.
I have to ask myself, does one player's inaccurate post make this game's history any better? I don't think so. Clarifying the inaccuracy certainly makes sense to me, but trying to deflect attention away from the game's rocky history by making some kind of scapegoat out of one player seems like a manipulative marketting ploy.
So, the player made a mistake AND this game had a horrible release. It's the horrible release that evoked the accurate negative feedback, not some fictional psychological disorder.
Your right the co founder of Funcom and head guy in charge of Age of Conan disliked this game so much he quit his job. It's old news but I just had the link on clipboard for something else ;p
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=197339
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Is pretty sad actually, that the critiques of Funcom have a lower margin of error on reporting the truth and facts than AoC official sources....and yet these reporters get blamed for AoC's failure.
It's the proverbial shooting of the messenger, thank goodness there isn't a Spartan well in these forums.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
It's quite common for people in Norway to get the option to voluntarily quit their job before getting kicked. We all know Gaute did a bad job with AoC and with Funcom's reputation so he "quitting" is due to other things then him being not happy with AoC. If he was that unhappy with AoC why didn't he do things to change it? After all he is the GD, he is the one person that make the calls. Gaute knew he was in deep shit after all the crap he was saying after launch, Funcom knew it and I have no doubt he got the option, either quit or we will kick you from Funcom. Board members have this power when an employee even a founder of the company does something stupid. For Gaute it looks better on paper that he quits himself rather then get kicked.
We will never know if he was aksed to leave or if he left himself, considering the situation for Funcom I feel pretty certain about Funcom wanting him to go. Thanks to the hype he created before launch, the crap he said after launch and his denial of the issues with the game and being incappable of showing leadership and fixing the game. Same thing happened with AO, only difference he left as GD to make AoC instead.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Yeah let's discuss about it. Since the two single lined replies he received weren't enough. Conza deemed it deserves a place in his "let's discuss about... <insert anything not worth discussing>" post pantheon. So let's discuss about it. We are discussing. We discussed. Done. Loneliness. Desperation?
this is a sad emo thread.
No, one player's inaccurate post does not make the history of this game any better, but neither does the history of this game have any bearing on current game play.
Further to that, the player DID NOT make a mistake, it was a pre-meditated attempt at putting the game down, the same difference between Manslaughter and Murder at slight but distinct difference.
What you seem to imply is that the poster was so traumatised from the so called "horrible release" that he does not know whether he is running in DX10 or not, I find this a bit far fetched, and anyone remaining so affected by the game's release most have some kind pyschological disorder to say the least!
And just to clear things up, the horrible release you describe is argumentive as well, not fact, as i thought that the release went pretty well, it did have high graphic requirements and lacked content between 50 and 60, but its release was not any worse then majority of other MMOs. The servers were stable, more so than a monster MMO's release which saw queuing to get on to their servers at launch.
The problem was with people's expectation and there sub-par PC's that could not handle a modern day MMO. So don't take it as fact that it had a horrible release my friend. Even if this is the opinion of thousands, it doesnt necessary make it fact.
Seems like they were in there, here are 300 of them!
www.youtube.com/watch
*Spoiler from a C&C:TS player made Faq*
Mammoth Tank
Rating: *****
Upgrades: Railguns
Requirements: Tech Center
Summery: This is the mother of all tanks. It can hit both ground and
air targets and has TONS of armor. The Mammoth is awfully slow so be
prepared to take a few casualties just on the way to the enemies base.
This tank is effective against everything in the game even infantry.
Spamming them late game is often all people will do because of their
might. These combined with Zone Troopers make a VERY effective late
game assault force that can take on even the heaviest of armor or
defenses. Be sure to research the railgun upgrade as soon as you start
building them because it increases their power against all ground units
by a large margin. If you spam any ground unit in the game, this is by
far the best one. Some go so far as to say people are noobs when they
spam them because "they take no skill." This is very true, unless he
also has other units supporting them.
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Now DX 10, all the raid content at release.....still not in this game.
He is talking about Command and Conquer: Tiberian Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_&_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun
And you show him a youtube video of Command and Conquer 3 : Tiberium Wars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_Conquer_3
Very good job !
LOL
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Bear Grylls : I need to get out of this frozen hellhole!
Bear Grylls : (Holds a beetle in his hand) 4 times more protein then Beef
I still play Anarchy Online (because its a really good, advanced game) but stopped playing Age of Conan in a few months (because frankly, that was NOT a really good, advanced game). By your definition, that would probably make me a troll. Just the fact that I htink the game you like is bad.. I am a troll. Fair deal
Second. The fact that DX10 is not in the game does not put a = to the fact that a person has memory leaks. Never....
He might have memory leaks after a patch ( As I said, I play AO, I played it in beta and the years after release, I know EVERYTHING there is to know about Funcom and their problems after each patch.) he thought it was from DX 10... so he blamed it.. Very uniformed, I agree but one hting does NOT equal the other. You have no idea, still that logic is your only weapo behind this thread. "There has not been any memory leaks, because DX10 is not int he game yet!!"
That, my friend.. is flawed logic. That my friend... is starting a fight with people over misinformation about a nonliving product. That is abusing and insulting people over a neutral object.... with flawed logic and huge errors.
You my friend, are a troll, plain and simple. As a Funcom fan.. I can safelly say... You are a huge troll, and if you want to discuss anyhting.. do it to a mirror.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
No, one player's inaccurate post does not make the history of this game any better, but neither does the history of this game have any bearing on current game play.
Further to that, the player DID NOT make a mistake, it was a pre-meditated attempt at putting the game down, the same difference between Manslaughter and Murder at slight but distinct difference.
What you seem to imply is that the poster was so traumatised from the so called "horrible release" that he does not know whether he is running in DX10 or not, I find this a bit far fetched, and anyone remaining so affected by the game's release most have some kind pyschological disorder to say the least!
And just to clear things up, the horrible release you describe is argumentive as well, not fact, as i thought that the release went pretty well, it did have high graphic requirements and lacked content between 50 and 60, but its release was not any worse then majority of other MMOs. The servers were stable, more so than a monster MMO's release which saw queuing to get on to their servers at launch.
The problem was with people's expectation and there sub-par PC's that could not handle a modern day MMO. So don't take it as fact that it had a horrible release my friend. Even if this is the opinion of thousands, it doesnt necessary make it fact.
Me implying that the critic was traumatized by the release of the game? Actually that thought never occured to me.
You saying that the critic's comments were premeditated disinformation? How do you know this?
The game's release doesn't affect the game now? A bad release always affects population. It also affects the development cycle, as resources need to be devoted to bug fixing, often at the expense of enjoyable content.
Criticism is because of sub-par PC's? You realize that some of the biggest criticisms were that advertised features were missing from the game? If the code isn't there, you can't blame that on a gamer's PC. Also, like I said, CEO's don't get moved along because of subpar PC's used by players.
I hope the game's fine now, and maybe it is, but I'm not playing it because of its horrible release. That's really a shame too because as a kid, my library was full of Conan novels. I had read every single one written at the time, and also enjoyed Arnie's films.
A lot of gamer's enjoy this genre for entertainment and relaxation. A buggy game that's missing features and that flip-flops on development direction doesn't lend itself well to these objectives. Funcom has only itself to blame for this, which brings us back to the CEO departure. It also brings us back to someone's apparent attempt to focus negative attention on one critic of the game, rather than on the problems of the game itself. Sorry, I'm not buying it (yes this is a double entendre).
Sorry if i miss-understood your post.
However moving on.........
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face......................
Even though there were things on the box that were not in the game, does not mean that Funcom set out to cheat you.
It just the way things turned out. Saying you will not play the game now because of someone else's failure is a way of punishing yourself, it is not your fault that AoC had a bad release and that you bought the game in good faith. And Funcom will continue with or with out you, so your crusade of abstaince will not have any effect, besides denying yourself the enjoyment of what is now a good game
Some people have high morals and refuse to give their money to dishonest companies like Funcom even though they know it has little to no effect. It's about the priciple. Might sound weird to some people but I respect that kind of behavior.
MMO companies only cheat us because we let them. Think about it.
Or.. maybe you are the kind of person who only thinks about his own short term happiness. In that case.. have fun in Hyboria.
Obviously the OP doesnt know the definitions of either 'Troll' or Irony.
Any chance that you will go play Darkfall so you can stop trolling these forums like you've been doing with every post since release?
There Is Always Hope!
Originally, DX10 was supposed to be in this patch. Maybe that poster didn't follow the patch notes religiously and really wasn't aware DX10 was dropped and is STILL missing 9 months after launch despite being on the retail box.
That poster being wrong about DX10 doesn't mean he's making up his OOM errors. I was in the EA and never had any OOM errors others were experiencing and semi bought the fanboi/Funcom excuse that is was a problem on their end...until after the June 12th patch, and then I had them constantly up until my sub expired. Needless to say, between that and all the other broken promises, I quit after my "free" period was up. Looking at the official forums, there seem to be a bunch of problems with this game and the new patch (what a surprise).
I still follow the game in hopes that they will someday get their shit straight. Canning GG was certainly a step in the right direction. I'm glad there are people here that aren't drinking the Funcom koolaid and letting others know that there are still serious problems with this game. Maybe after 1.5 and a free trial period I'll consider giving them another shot, but for now...no way.
I doubt Blizzard or any other company is scared of a MMO with 140k ish subs ROFL.
If the DX10 is still as unoptimized as it was a week ago, you be thanking FC for not including it. Going from the DX9 to DX 10 would halve my FPS on the same machine.
I miss DAoC