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The most important factor that will determine Darkfall's success or failure is...
The ability of the devs post launch to fill in and fix systems that are not currently good. For example, seige system, melee skills, melee combat and the rogue system ( may have missed a few more). I remember playing Warhammer and finding out that many of the things that were missing on release were promised to be fixed in December. That time was just too long to wait for while playing. Hopefully the developers of Darkfall can push out quality changes and system fixes within a few months of release at minimuim.
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No, its its community, and in that regard it has no chance. They will drive every new player away from this game. Who is to blame for this? The developers.
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Yeah the DF community is such a huge killer. How many dozens and dozens of Mmo's have had been killed by those killer communities? Watch out I see the community tracking your IP. Take cover ! People posting on forums maybe be deadly!
Heh, exagerate much?
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Nah, the OP is right. You can't say the community will be a decisive factor when the game hasn't even launched yet. It is pretty obvious that a beta population consists of a very high percentage of zealous people who will defend the game with a barage of insults against any kind of critisism (judging the Darkfall site forums) for instance.
Every developer will be judged on how well they adress player concerns in open beta and the first months after launch. Mythic for instance, realized that very well and has been updating, patching and adding content like an idiot. (Not that that made RVR any less repetative or themeparkish, sadly).
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there will be a large number of asshats in DF, but there will be a large number of friendly folks as well, just like there was back in the day with UO. The key to surviving will be finding a guild that is similar to your playstyle and sticking with them.
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
What game has been killed by the community?
I've been in games with much worse community than Darkfall beta has had. The number of lowlifes were much lower than the number of good people willing to help.
Asdar
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Lol the community wont kill this game, it is why this game is going to succeed. Sure maybe not mass market wow style crap, but who wants that anyway. Sick and tired of it. So yes i hope the community is brutal and makes all the lamers go crying back to wow and stay there with their pve item collecting lameness.
Funny to see now that the game is actually releasing how people change their tune, now we gotta find something else to make it fail. Haha. Can;t explain the feelings i am having at the moment, these forums never cease to bring smiles to my face.
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Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Games do not need to be AAA (Darkfall is not AAA, its Indi) , they also do not have to be shut down for a community to relegate it to niche stats, that will never come above operating, to financial success..
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
This is pretty much the norm for any MMO is it not?
Filling and fixing systems isn't a guarantee of sucess or failure either.
Tabula Rasa, Auto Assualt. Both those games had work being done after they released; both of them have been shut down.
SWG had LOTS of work done to it after release that pissed off a vast magority of the playerbase and yet that game is still going today.
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Games do not need to be AAA (Darkfall is not AAA, its Indi) , they also do not have to be shut down for a community to relegate it to niche stats, that will never come above operating, to financial success..
The funny thing about the portion in red, While it isn't AAA and it is indeed Indi, thats a very hard thing to grasp after playing it and so many AAA titles. It has more polish and is more stable than just about any AAA MMO I have played in the past 5 years. Tons more fun to boot lol. I think I will have to personally redefine what a AAA title is to me after all of this.
Because if
AoC = AAA
War = AAA
and
DFO = Indi
I think I my head will implode from the irony.
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Games do not need to be AAA (Darkfall is not AAA, its Indi) , they also do not have to be shut down for a community to relegate it to niche stats, that will never come above operating, to financial success..
Darkfall may not be AAA quality atm, but its definitely a AAA title for those of us who have been waiting since UO for it. Arguments that AoC and WAR arent AAA could be made along the same lines, so thats subjective.
As for shutting down, you said dead, I assumed dead meant shut down. Niche games can be extremely profitable, just look at EvE. Is it huge? nope. Is it a financial success? Yes... so are MOST mmo's.
Are they the cash cow that WoW is? Nope. That doesnt mean they arent making a good profit though.
Don't forget UO before Trammel.
DF will be a rough place for anyone that has a remote interest in PvP environment. The limited release is going to make it all that much more worse.
Dont you mean a rough place for anyone who doesnt enjoy pvp?
Yes this will finally be the answer to the split world UO that my friends and I have been waiting for.
Now that the game is probably not a scam and is probably going to release... (Well done aventurine btw...)
Its going to be "deeper" gameplay which holds people. All I see is some 3rd rate animation of people going round and whacking each other is a passable environment devoid of life. As I have said before mount and blade is good for awhile and then it gets repetative. I doubt only the hardened few would stay after a few months and pay for a shallow FPS experience like this.
The game needs trading, caravans, binding of goods to locations and the need to move them around. There needs to be a fantasy backstory framework. It needs to be *more*. The world simply needs to be more than a few people running around whakcing one another and right now I am not seeing any gameplay mechanism. BUt I admit there is a base to begin the real work. Though perhaps this is to be a pay for beta for the next few months at least ?
Does anyone else find it rather annoying that even the people in beta do not know if naval warfare is possible ?
Yorue also comparing the stability of a game with a couple thousand players to games that have a couple hundred thousand players.......They know that if they allowed too many players in the game would not be very stable at all....That is why they are limiting how many they are letting in to beta and how many they will let in on launch........IF this game even gets near 100k you would see jsut how unstable it would become...... We all saw how stable an 18 gig seemless world was in Vanguard....Yeah when there were only a few hundred it was much more stable than when it launched and tried to accomodate thousands.......Until you guys fight in an area with a couple hundred people in one spot then dont talk about how stable it is......We dont care how stable it is when youre wandering the wilderness by yourself.
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Games do not need to be AAA (Darkfall is not AAA, its Indi) , they also do not have to be shut down for a community to relegate it to niche stats, that will never come above operating, to financial success..
Darkfall may not be AAA quality atm, but its definitely a AAA title for those of us who have been waiting since UO for it. Arguments that AoC and WAR arent AAA could be made along the same lines, so thats subjective.
As for shutting down, you said dead, I assumed dead meant shut down. Niche games can be extremely profitable, just look at EvE. Is it huge? nope. Is it a financial success? Yes... so are MOST mmo's.
Are they the cash cow that WoW is? Nope. That doesnt mean they arent making a good profit though.
AAA Stats is not subjective.
Eve has a sorted history, look it up. It also is a fluke in regards to MMO's getting a second chance, but it also had nothing to do with its community being shitty, in fact its community is why It did not get shut own the first time they went bankrupt. This is not the kind of community the Darkfall developers have created, they will not be there when things go south.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Games do not need to be AAA (Darkfall is not AAA, its Indi) , they also do not have to be shut down for a community to relegate it to niche stats, that will never come above operating, to financial success..
Darkfall may not be AAA quality atm, but its definitely a AAA title for those of us who have been waiting since UO for it. Arguments that AoC and WAR arent AAA could be made along the same lines, so thats subjective.
As for shutting down, you said dead, I assumed dead meant shut down. Niche games can be extremely profitable, just look at EvE. Is it huge? nope. Is it a financial success? Yes... so are MOST mmo's.
Are they the cash cow that WoW is? Nope. That doesnt mean they arent making a good profit though.
AAA Stats is not subjective.
Eve has a sorted history, look it up. It also is a fluke in regards to MMO's getting a second chance, but it also had nothing to do with its community being shitty, in fact its community is why It did not get shut own the first time they went bankrupt. This is not the kind of community the Darkfall developers have created, they will not be there when things go south.
Just out of curiousity, I see a lot of trash talking about the DFO community. Yet, I really can't say you have explained why you have decided to bash the DFO community. You say were horrible, yet give no examples as to how. I am part of the DFO community and I would like to know what I did to offend you in such a way that you would continue to trash talk me (as a member of the DFO community) as you do. By the way what community do you represent so that they may be held accountable for your actions. From my and many others perspective, your simply attacking a community. I guess I am making an attempt to find out why as I am part of that community.
Now as far as AAA is not a subjective Stat, I have to disagree unless you are trying to say AAA = Crap.
EvE is a highly revered game and is not AAA
DFO I hold in higher regard than AAA titles, due to the fact it is simply better even than the 2 most recent titles, to me atleast.
War, AoC are AAA titles and well, it's common knowledge of how they are regarded by the majority of the gaming community lol.
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Games do not need to be AAA (Darkfall is not AAA, its Indi) , they also do not have to be shut down for a community to relegate it to niche stats, that will never come above operating, to financial success..
Darkfall may not be AAA quality atm, but its definitely a AAA title for those of us who have been waiting since UO for it. Arguments that AoC and WAR arent AAA could be made along the same lines, so thats subjective.
As for shutting down, you said dead, I assumed dead meant shut down. Niche games can be extremely profitable, just look at EvE. Is it huge? nope. Is it a financial success? Yes... so are MOST mmo's.
Are they the cash cow that WoW is? Nope. That doesnt mean they arent making a good profit though.
AAA Stats is not subjective.
Eve has a sorted history, look it up. It also is a fluke in regards to MMO's getting a second chance, but it also had nothing to do with its community being shitty, in fact its community is why It did not get shut own the first time they went bankrupt. This is not the kind of community the Darkfall developers have created, they will not be there when things go south.
Just out of curiousity, I see a lot of trash talking about the DFO community. Yet, I really can't say you have explained why you have decided to bash the DFO community. You say were horrible, yet give no examples as to how. I am part of the DFO community and I would like to know what I did to offend you in such a way that you would continue to trash talk me (as a member of the DFO community) as you do. By the way what community do you represent so that they may be held accountable for your actions. From my and many others perspective, your simply attacking a community. I guess I am making an attempt to find out why as I am part of that community.
Take a look at in game chat, or the official forums. The community is elitist, chastising, and narrow-minded. It’s simply, to put it in gamming terms, full of grievers.
I’m not talking trash, I’m pointing out the obvious. I really do not care, however, its the developers and community relations that set the tone. It's not a healthy community in any way, especially not one that will grow the player base or crate any form of social stickiness.The response to any criticism is always something along the lines of, "THIS ISN'T WOW-STYLE EASYMODE!" or "L2P" or that kind of thing. Even if the comments, or even QUESTIONS are compleatly valid. Look how the forum users attack newer users, for no reasion other than e-peen.
They have been surrounded with who knows how many blind fanboys for who knows how long, telling them that everything is fantastic and if you don't agree you're not hardcore enough.
As if "Hardcore enough" has anything to do with the tea in china when talking about busted, or poorly thought out systems.
Example A. Nice first reply a? Thats about the depth of conversation you can expect.
Your persional opinions about a game has no bearing on its AAA stats, sorry.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Who said anything about the forums? Yes, dozens of games HAVE BEEN killed by a shitty community.
I think thats a bit of an overstatement since there are less than 20 main stream AAA MMo's ever...
And out of the main stream, I think we have had less than 5 shut down.
Lets see... Earth and Beyond, AC2, HGL, Motor city online, Sims online, Tabula rasa.
Out of those... I believe EnB, AC2, HGL, and TR are the only ones that count as main stream.
Games do not need to be AAA (Darkfall is not AAA, its Indi) , they also do not have to be shut down for a community to relegate it to niche stats, that will never come above operating, to financial success..
Darkfall may not be AAA quality atm, but its definitely a AAA title for those of us who have been waiting since UO for it. Arguments that AoC and WAR arent AAA could be made along the same lines, so thats subjective.
As for shutting down, you said dead, I assumed dead meant shut down. Niche games can be extremely profitable, just look at EvE. Is it huge? nope. Is it a financial success? Yes... so are MOST mmo's.
Are they the cash cow that WoW is? Nope. That doesnt mean they arent making a good profit though.
AAA Stats is not subjective.
Eve has a sorted history, look it up. It also is a fluke in regards to MMO's getting a second chance, but it also had nothing to do with its community being shitty, in fact its community is why It did not get shut own the first time they went bankrupt. This is not the kind of community the Darkfall developers have created, they will not be there when things go south.
Just out of curiousity, I see a lot of trash talking about the DFO community. Yet, I really can't say you have explained why you have decided to bash the DFO community. You say were horrible, yet give no examples as to how. I am part of the DFO community and I would like to know what I did to offend you in such a way that you would continue to trash talk me (as a member of the DFO community) as you do. By the way what community do you represent so that they may be held accountable for your actions. From my and many others perspective, your simply attacking a community. I guess I am making an attempt to find out why as I am part of that community.
Take a look at in game chat, or the official forums. The community is elitist, chastising, and narrow-minded. It’s simply, to put it in gamming terms, full of grievers.
I’m not talking trash, I’m pointing out the obvious. I really do not care, however, its the developers and community relations that set the tone. It's not a healthy community in any way, especially not one that will grow the player base or crate any form of social stickiness.The response to any criticism is always something along the lines of, "THIS ISN'T WOW-STYLE EASYMODE!" or "L2P" or that kind of thing. Even if the comments, or even QUESTIONS are compleatly valid. Look how the forum users attack newer users, for no reasion other than e-peen.
They have been surrounded with who knows how many blind fanboys for who knows how long, telling them that everything is fantastic and if you don't agree you're not hardcore enough.
As if "Hardcore enough" has anything to do with the tea in china when talking about busted, or poorly thought out systems.
Example A. Nice first reply a? Thats about the depth of conversation you can expect.
Your persional opinions about a game has no bearing on its AAA stats, sorry.
Hmmm. still haven't shown how I have insulted you in any way shape or form to validate you insulting me. Care to try again? I am part of the DFO community. I mean if your going to insult me, it would be appreciated to atleast know why you feel the need to insult me.
And no I understand that my opinion about a game doesn't effect it's AAA stats, I am just finding it funny that so many AAA games seem crap compaired to 2 Indi games lol. Seems AAA doesn't mean quality in any way shape or form lately lol.
I didn't insult you. You are just choosing to take it personally.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Hmmm, you say the DFO community is horrible. I am part of the DFO community. So does that not mean you are saying I am Horrible?
You are the entirety of the Darkfall community?
Also, here i was talking about a group, and you are hell bent on making it personal.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
WoW have the worst community of any MMO by far, never seen so much griefers and retarded kids in any game, just immature, and i think Blizzard done pretty good.
OP is right and they already started with a fix for alignment and the rogue problems.
That is good work i think.