My personal opinion is that over 70% of these Darkfall crazed maniacs are playing it because it's a full-loot PvP sandbox. When another full-loot PvP sandbox rolls around they're going to at least consider jumping ship. Stop trying to make this game out as the next coming of Christ.
I've never played a FFA full loot MMO. I was raised up on Dark Age of Camelot (best PvP game to date).
I recognize quality when I see it. There hasn't been any quality or soul in MMOs for years. I'm playing Darkfall because the devs are passionate, and aren't listening to WoW kids and compromising the quality of their game in the process.
i'm curious, on what do you judge a dev's passion? what exactly is the litmus test, and on what games are its devs not passionate.
just asking because well, that statement is rather wildly subjective and in no way a logically drawn conclusion; ESPECIALLY based upon the game i'm looking at.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Oh its so cute when you guys pick little things apart and just plain old make things up to make yourself feel better about how well Darkfall is doing.
For years and years and years I've listened to this website bash on Darkfall. "The game doesn't exist" "I looked it up on google earth, the office address is fake!" "That video was made with Gmod!" "You people are all getting duped! I'm just trying to save you!"
Then August rolls around, we get a nice 17 minute video "It was all scripted and fake, none of that stuff is really in the game" "This is so bogus, Age of Conan had nice movies too".
Then beta rolls around "I don't know anyone in beta, it must be fake" "Game doesn't exist, they just made this announcement to string people along, those monsters." "How come there are no leaks? If the game was real, people would be leaking."
Then the leaks started popping up "Ok well... ok the game is real but... its going to suck! Yeah yeah that's the argument I'm going with now! This game is going to tank harder than any game in the history of forever!" "Yeah, you guys are losers for following this game, look at those Doom graphics lolz" "Psh, this game is going to suck so bad, no one is going to touch it." "There's no way this game is launching with all the stuff they've promised."
Now here we are, present day. What do we have? We have so many people trying to buy the game that its CRASHING THE WEB SERVER. Aventurine has announced they're getting 20x the number of connections per second than they estimated and they're trying to deal with it now but upping their systems AGAIN.
Overwhelming majority of reviews say the game is great, could use a tiny bit of tweaking and balancing, but all the systems are there. Aiming arrows and spells, advanced AI, sieging, ship combat, twitch melee system, all the features they promised (with the exception of roaming mobs) are there, and people are scrambling to buy the game.
And here you sit, many of you former vapor trolls, trying to find anything and everything you can to bring the game down, just so you don't feel like a total moron. What happened to rooting for the underdog? 30 people in Greece delivered game with more depth, soul, and uniqeuness than any release in the past 4 years (except for EVE).
Let's look at Vanguard, a game which I loved. At launch, 8/10 quests were bugged, servers were plagued with horrible lag, client crashed and blue screened almost every hour, almost every major system from quest encounters to ships were broken, grouping bugs, bugs EVERYWHERE.
Age of Conan, launched with maybe 1/20 of its major features intact and lacked any content past level 20. The performance was fairly bad, and each zone got instanced if more than 50 people entered it. You couldn't even go back to noob zones if you were a high enogh levels. Dev response "Why would you want to?"
Now we have Darkfall, virtually every complaint that got brought up in beta was addressed within 2 days. What they're working on now, is a better rogue flagging system and a bit of the skill progression so that things are more worth it earlier on. They've already overhauled magic twice and done a fantastic job. World was too empty? Virtually every camp has been turned on now, people were whining cause they had them turned off to test the AI nodes, now I haven't seen an empty one in 2 weeks.
The game could use a little touch ups, but its rock stable, and all the features are there. But some people just loooove to make mountains out of mole hills.
The game is real, so you lost that battle, no matter how many times you tried to ressurrect it. I think my favorite moment was when you guys said "The DDOS was faked to give them more time!" The reason I was laughing my ass off during that is because the day of the DDOS I got my beta invite.
Thank you Signus for starting an appropriate thread for a post which rightly deserves it.
The trolls and naysayers......my god...years and years they have been festering on this game's forums
Look at them now...reduced to what...whining about player housing when there is already clan housing...big freaking deal, a room is a room. Whining about preorder server crashing when there is 20 x the amount of people trying to get in compared to what was anticipated...Whining that the combat system is bad when all they see is some youtube videos and consider themselves great masters in combat gaming
The game has flaws like any other, but it is good and only getting better thanks to competent devs
Whatever, I got my game that I was waiting for
Hope you guys (the trolls) will get their own game that they enjoy so they can stop obsessing over a lost cause
personally, i would have been quite happy to continue ignoring everything darkfall-related for many years to come.
thank all the people posting about how wonderful darkfall is -- on every forum they could find, to other folks coming here and trash talking this below-average game.
with any luck, this horrible game will finally be released and i will no longer see mindless drivel posted on other forums about how wonderful this vaporware is.
yes vaporware, look up the term, learn the definition -- vaporware isn't what you pretend it means, it has an actual definition.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I have a pretty negative opinion of Darkfall and I was never a "vaportroll." I am a UO vet that quit a little ways after Trammel in boredom and disgust and I had very high hopes for this game and followed it for years. I just can't understand after everything we've seen from Darkfall in these past telling months, how anyone can still be behind this game.
This game is going to be mediocre at best. After all these years I'm insulted.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Yes I have to admit I feel ashamed now, not for trolling in the forums but for trolling in my mind all the time before. Yes you are right with everything and I APOLOGIZE.
In order to punish myself I will go into my cellar for the next 5 days. The only two things I will take with me are a cadridge of Altered Beast and a bread. I will play the bread and eat Altered Beast because playing this game instead would be too much of punishment.
Normally I just read this forum, I only signed up for you in order to write this. I hope you feel better now.
Yes I have to admit I feel ashamed now, not for trolling in the forums but for trolling in my mind all the time before. Yes you are right with everything and I APOLOGIZE. In order to punish myself I will go into my cellar for the next 5 days. The only two things I will take with me are a cadridge of Altered Beast and a bread. I will play the bread and eat Altered Beast because playing this game instead would be too much of punishment. Normally I just read this forum, I only signed up for you in order to write this. I hope you feel better now.
In any case, any chance you guys actually have something worthwhile to gripe about yet or are you still grasping at straws? I mean the latest thing about mounts didn't pan out so I am assuming your still grasping.
How's your darkfall coming along? And the Aventurine still have your faith??
All I know is next week this time, this thread is going to be full of "I told you so" from somebody and should be pretty amusing
Yep.
-Darkstar
Epic.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary Vaporware One entry found.
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www.lasershows.net Main Entry:
va·por·ware Listen to the pronunciation of vaporware
Pronunciation:
?v?-p?r-?wer
Function:
noun
Date:
1984 : a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
This is the problem with the fanboys and haters... They refuse to acknowledge the definition of what vaporware is. One uses it as a weapon of lies and falsehoods and the other refuses to admit that their game falls under the true definition.
By ur own definition Darkfall is not Vaporware.
a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
AND may never become available.
not OR may never become available.
AND.
That means, Vaporware must fullfill following criteria:
Widely advertized, has not become available AND may never become available.
Since its becoming available next wednesday it BY NO MEANS falls into this category.
-Darkstar
Yup wednesday. O wait didnt that pass already? I may be mistaken.
I bet they are about to announce a further delay. Anyone else wants to bet?
Not likely, but they should. The game isn t ready no matter how much the fanbois want it to be.
The game is ready for release. It is stable and offers everything i have been waited for. This is an MMO and will further receive patches and updates and is not some singleplayer game box copy that will be sold and stop receiving developer support ..the developer will constantly work on it ..
If you don't like it, don't play it , don't buy it..But i will buy it and i want it to release Feb 25 so i can start the real DF experience.. i don't mind if you part of the launch or not..
I bet they are about to announce a further delay. Anyone else wants to bet?
Not likely, but they should. The game isn t ready no matter how much the fanbois want it to be.
The game is ready for release. It is stable and offers everything i have been waited for. This is an MMO and will further receive patches and updates and is not some singleplayer game box copy that will be sold and stop receiving developer support ..the developer will constantly work on it ..
If you don't like it, don't play it , don't buy it..But i will buy it and i want it to release Feb 25 so i can start the real DF experience.. i don't mind if you part of the launch or not..
Sure is ready. Wait wasnt it supposed to today?
Yep sort of funny actually. I see some of the more ardent fangirls of DF have gone poof like the wicked witch of the west dipped in water. Never ever walk out on a plank over shark infested water unless 1, you know how to swim and 2, you have a plate armor posterior.
Oh its so cute when you guys pick little things apart and just plain old make things up to make yourself feel better about how well Darkfall is doing.
For years and years and years I've listened to this website bash on Darkfall. "The game doesn't exist" "I looked it up on google earth, the office address is fake!" "That video was made with Gmod!" "You people are all getting duped! I'm just trying to save you!"
Then August rolls around, we get a nice 17 minute video "It was all scripted and fake, none of that stuff is really in the game" "This is so bogus, Age of Conan had nice movies too".
Then beta rolls around "I don't know anyone in beta, it must be fake" "Game doesn't exist, they just made this announcement to string people along, those monsters." "How come there are no leaks? If the game was real, people would be leaking."
Then the leaks started popping up "Ok well... ok the game is real but... its going to suck! Yeah yeah that's the argument I'm going with now! This game is going to tank harder than any game in the history of forever!" "Yeah, you guys are losers for following this game, look at those Doom graphics lolz" "Psh, this game is going to suck so bad, no one is going to touch it." "There's no way this game is launching with all the stuff they've promised."
Now here we are, present day. What do we have? We have so many people trying to buy the game that its CRASHING THE WEB SERVER. Aventurine has announced they're getting 20x the number of connections per second than they estimated and they're trying to deal with it now but upping their systems AGAIN.
Overwhelming majority of reviews say the game is great, could use a tiny bit of tweaking and balancing, but all the systems are there. Aiming arrows and spells, advanced AI, sieging, ship combat, twitch melee system, all the features they promised (with the exception of roaming mobs) are there, and people are scrambling to buy the game.
And here you sit, many of you former vapor trolls, trying to find anything and everything you can to bring the game down, just so you don't feel like a total moron. What happened to rooting for the underdog? 30 people in Greece delivered game with more depth, soul, and uniqeuness than any release in the past 4 years (except for EVE).
Let's look at Vanguard, a game which I loved. At launch, 8/10 quests were bugged, servers were plagued with horrible lag, client crashed and blue screened almost every hour, almost every major system from quest encounters to ships were broken, grouping bugs, bugs EVERYWHERE.
Age of Conan, launched with maybe 1/20 of its major features intact and lacked any content past level 20. The performance was fairly bad, and each zone got instanced if more than 50 people entered it. You couldn't even go back to noob zones if you were a high enogh levels. Dev response "Why would you want to?"
Now we have Darkfall, virtually every complaint that got brought up in beta was addressed within 2 days. What they're working on now, is a better rogue flagging system and a bit of the skill progression so that things are more worth it earlier on. They've already overhauled magic twice and done a fantastic job. World was too empty? Virtually every camp has been turned on now, people were whining cause they had them turned off to test the AI nodes, now I haven't seen an empty one in 2 weeks.
The game could use a little touch ups, but its rock stable, and all the features are there. But some people just loooove to make mountains out of mole hills.
The game is real, so you lost that battle, no matter how many times you tried to ressurrect it. I think my favorite moment was when you guys said "The DDOS was faked to give them more time!" The reason I was laughing my ass off during that is because the day of the DDOS I got my beta invite.
I think DF fans brought the trolling on themselves with their incessant need to spam DARKFALL DARKFALL DARKFALL all over MMORPG.com, talk about how they thought it was the best game ever based on little information, and how everyone who plays MMOS should go check out DARKFALL cause it's gonna rock.
You guys pretty much made yourselves targets by being so aggressive over your need to sell people on this game. If you all had just been silent about it more people would have silently checked it out and not felt the need to troll. The game has been pushed back time and time again, and that in itself became the joke. Now we see pages of complaints from beta testers, tons of screenshots that look no better than any game built in 2003, talk of huge empty worlds, and to us it sounds like the Dark & Light all over again. Remember the hype built up over that game and its mechanics? Remember the failed launch? History repeats itself and it seems to be somewhat happening now. I honestly believe that if you guys had never over hyped this game, few would have given trolling a second thought.
Oh its so cute when you guys pick little things apart and just plain old make things up to make yourself feel better about how well Darkfall is doing.
For years and years and years I've listened to this website bash on Darkfall. "The game doesn't exist" "I looked it up on google earth, the office address is fake!" "That video was made with Gmod!" "You people are all getting duped! I'm just trying to save you!"
Then August rolls around, we get a nice 17 minute video "It was all scripted and fake, none of that stuff is really in the game" "This is so bogus, Age of Conan had nice movies too".
Then beta rolls around "I don't know anyone in beta, it must be fake" "Game doesn't exist, they just made this announcement to string people along, those monsters." "How come there are no leaks? If the game was real, people would be leaking."
Then the leaks started popping up "Ok well... ok the game is real but... its going to suck! Yeah yeah that's the argument I'm going with now! This game is going to tank harder than any game in the history of forever!" "Yeah, you guys are losers for following this game, look at those Doom graphics lolz" "Psh, this game is going to suck so bad, no one is going to touch it." "There's no way this game is launching with all the stuff they've promised."
Now here we are, present day. What do we have? We have so many people trying to buy the game that its CRASHING THE WEB SERVER. Aventurine has announced they're getting 20x the number of connections per second than they estimated and they're trying to deal with it now but upping their systems AGAIN.
Overwhelming majority of reviews say the game is great, could use a tiny bit of tweaking and balancing, but all the systems are there. Aiming arrows and spells, advanced AI, sieging, ship combat, twitch melee system, all the features they promised (with the exception of roaming mobs) are there, and people are scrambling to buy the game.
And here you sit, many of you former vapor trolls, trying to find anything and everything you can to bring the game down, just so you don't feel like a total moron. What happened to rooting for the underdog? 30 people in Greece delivered game with more depth, soul, and uniqeuness than any release in the past 4 years (except for EVE).
Let's look at Vanguard, a game which I loved. At launch, 8/10 quests were bugged, servers were plagued with horrible lag, client crashed and blue screened almost every hour, almost every major system from quest encounters to ships were broken, grouping bugs, bugs EVERYWHERE.
Age of Conan, launched with maybe 1/20 of its major features intact and lacked any content past level 20. The performance was fairly bad, and each zone got instanced if more than 50 people entered it. You couldn't even go back to noob zones if you were a high enogh levels. Dev response "Why would you want to?"
Now we have Darkfall, virtually every complaint that got brought up in beta was addressed within 2 days. What they're working on now, is a better rogue flagging system and a bit of the skill progression so that things are more worth it earlier on. They've already overhauled magic twice and done a fantastic job. World was too empty? Virtually every camp has been turned on now, people were whining cause they had them turned off to test the AI nodes, now I haven't seen an empty one in 2 weeks.
The game could use a little touch ups, but its rock stable, and all the features are there. But some people just loooove to make mountains out of mole hills.
The game is real, so you lost that battle, no matter how many times you tried to ressurrect it. I think my favorite moment was when you guys said "The DDOS was faked to give them more time!" The reason I was laughing my ass off during that is because the day of the DDOS I got my beta invite.
I think DF fans brought the trolling on themselves with their incessant need to spam DARKFALL DARKFALL DARKFALL all over MMORPG.com, talk about how they thought it was the best game ever based on little information, and how everyone who plays MMOS should go check out DARKFALL cause it's gonna rock.
You guys pretty much made yourselves targets by being so aggressive over your need to sell people on this game. If you all had just been silent about it more people would have silently checked it out and not felt the need to troll. The game has been pushed back time and time again, and that in itself became the joke. Now we see pages of complaints from beta testers, tons of screenshots that look no better than any game built in 2003, talk of huge empty worlds, and to us it sounds like the Dark & Light all over again. Remember the hype built up over that game and its mechanics? Remember the failed launch? History repeats itself and it seems to be somewhat happening now. I honestly believe that if you guys had never over hyped this game, few would have given trolling a second thought.
Where is SignusM btw? lolololllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
These children just cant stand the fact that people with an ounce of common sense have a differing opinion than they do. And to talk down to people that they have to look up to to talk to is silly. So yes, they bring it on themselves, and in most cases start troll threads just to start shit.
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I've never played a FFA full loot MMO. I was raised up on Dark Age of Camelot (best PvP game to date).
I recognize quality when I see it. There hasn't been any quality or soul in MMOs for years. I'm playing Darkfall because the devs are passionate, and aren't listening to WoW kids and compromising the quality of their game in the process.
i'm curious, on what do you judge a dev's passion? what exactly is the litmus test, and on what games are its devs not passionate.
just asking because well, that statement is rather wildly subjective and in no way a logically drawn conclusion; ESPECIALLY based upon the game i'm looking at.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Thank you Signus for starting an appropriate thread for a post which rightly deserves it.
The trolls and naysayers......my god...years and years they have been festering on this game's forums
Look at them now...reduced to what...whining about player housing when there is already clan housing...big freaking deal, a room is a room. Whining about preorder server crashing when there is 20 x the amount of people trying to get in compared to what was anticipated...Whining that the combat system is bad when all they see is some youtube videos and consider themselves great masters in combat gaming
The game has flaws like any other, but it is good and only getting better thanks to competent devs
Whatever, I got my game that I was waiting for
Hope you guys (the trolls) will get their own game that they enjoy so they can stop obsessing over a lost cause
personally, i would have been quite happy to continue ignoring everything darkfall-related for many years to come.
thank all the people posting about how wonderful darkfall is -- on every forum they could find, to other folks coming here and trash talking this below-average game.
with any luck, this horrible game will finally be released and i will no longer see mindless drivel posted on other forums about how wonderful this vaporware is.
yes vaporware, look up the term, learn the definition -- vaporware isn't what you pretend it means, it has an actual definition.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I have a pretty negative opinion of Darkfall and I was never a "vaportroll." I am a UO vet that quit a little ways after Trammel in boredom and disgust and I had very high hopes for this game and followed it for years. I just can't understand after everything we've seen from Darkfall in these past telling months, how anyone can still be behind this game.
This game is going to be mediocre at best. After all these years I'm insulted.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Yes I have to admit I feel ashamed now, not for trolling in the forums but for trolling in my mind all the time before. Yes you are right with everything and I APOLOGIZE.
In order to punish myself I will go into my cellar for the next 5 days. The only two things I will take with me are a cadridge of Altered Beast and a bread. I will play the bread and eat Altered Beast because playing this game instead would be too much of punishment.
Normally I just read this forum, I only signed up for you in order to write this. I hope you feel better now.
[X] drill here for new monitor
Wait, Altered Beast was a great game!
Oh, nevermind , I get it...
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
How's your darkfall coming along? And the Aventurine still have your faith??
Jezin, and Grey, and Darkstar..
Thanks for jumping on the fanboi bandwagon..
I bet your irking to jump off now.. eh?
Currently playing Real Life..
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For all your stalking needs..
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hahahahahaha
what about now? should they still be apologizing?
yes...
err
wait....
All I know is next week this time, this thread is going to be full of "I told you so" from somebody and should be pretty amusing
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
Yep.
-Darkstar
Yep.
-Darkstar
Epic.
----------
"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Yep.
-Darkstar
Epic.
Yep.
-Darkstar
Epic.
told you so
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
By ur own definition Darkfall is not Vaporware.
a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
AND may never become available.
not OR may never become available.
AND.
That means, Vaporware must fullfill following criteria:
Widely advertized, has not become available AND may never become available.
Since its becoming available next wednesday it BY NO MEANS falls into this category.
-Darkstar
Yup wednesday. O wait didnt that pass already? I may be mistaken.
Darkfalls so revolutionary it uninstalls itself.
Not likely, but they should. The game isn t ready no matter how much the fanbois want it to be.
The game is ready for release. It is stable and offers everything i have been waited for. This is an MMO and will further receive patches and updates and is not some singleplayer game box copy that will be sold and stop receiving developer support ..the developer will constantly work on it ..
If you don't like it, don't play it , don't buy it..But i will buy it and i want it to release Feb 25 so i can start the real DF experience.. i don't mind if you part of the launch or not..
Sure is ready. Wait wasnt it supposed to today?
Darkfalls so revolutionary it uninstalls itself.
Not likely, but they should. The game isn t ready no matter how much the fanbois want it to be.
The game is ready for release. It is stable and offers everything i have been waited for. This is an MMO and will further receive patches and updates and is not some singleplayer game box copy that will be sold and stop receiving developer support ..the developer will constantly work on it ..
If you don't like it, don't play it , don't buy it..But i will buy it and i want it to release Feb 25 so i can start the real DF experience.. i don't mind if you part of the launch or not..
Sure is ready. Wait wasnt it supposed to today?
Yep sort of funny actually. I see some of the more ardent fangirls of DF have gone poof like the wicked witch of the west dipped in water. Never ever walk out on a plank over shark infested water unless 1, you know how to swim and 2, you have a plate armor posterior.
I think DF fans brought the trolling on themselves with their incessant need to spam DARKFALL DARKFALL DARKFALL all over MMORPG.com, talk about how they thought it was the best game ever based on little information, and how everyone who plays MMOS should go check out DARKFALL cause it's gonna rock.
You guys pretty much made yourselves targets by being so aggressive over your need to sell people on this game. If you all had just been silent about it more people would have silently checked it out and not felt the need to troll. The game has been pushed back time and time again, and that in itself became the joke. Now we see pages of complaints from beta testers, tons of screenshots that look no better than any game built in 2003, talk of huge empty worlds, and to us it sounds like the Dark & Light all over again. Remember the hype built up over that game and its mechanics? Remember the failed launch? History repeats itself and it seems to be somewhat happening now. I honestly believe that if you guys had never over hyped this game, few would have given trolling a second thought.
I think DF fans brought the trolling on themselves with their incessant need to spam DARKFALL DARKFALL DARKFALL all over MMORPG.com, talk about how they thought it was the best game ever based on little information, and how everyone who plays MMOS should go check out DARKFALL cause it's gonna rock.
You guys pretty much made yourselves targets by being so aggressive over your need to sell people on this game. If you all had just been silent about it more people would have silently checked it out and not felt the need to troll. The game has been pushed back time and time again, and that in itself became the joke. Now we see pages of complaints from beta testers, tons of screenshots that look no better than any game built in 2003, talk of huge empty worlds, and to us it sounds like the Dark & Light all over again. Remember the hype built up over that game and its mechanics? Remember the failed launch? History repeats itself and it seems to be somewhat happening now. I honestly believe that if you guys had never over hyped this game, few would have given trolling a second thought.
The game is real!!!
The game sucks!!!
Where is SignusM btw? lolololllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
no one well apologize because no one really cares
You could not be anymore correct, Tillamook.
Talking to one of these darkfall fans is like talking to a Scilon, if you have a differing opinion.
They sound like www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Boc&feature=related just change criminal and crimes to trolls.
These children just cant stand the fact that people with an ounce of common sense have a differing opinion than they do. And to talk down to people that they have to look up to to talk to is silly. So yes, they bring it on themselves, and in most cases start troll threads just to start shit.