So the game that had to be the second comming of Jesus, is now a niche game with 10.000 preorders, and it is a success. Please, could any fanboy send me a byte of what they smoke to help in this crisys time.
Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
So the game that had to be the second comming of Jesus, is now a niche game with 10.000 preorders, and it is a success. Please, could any fanboy send me a byte of what they smoke to help in this crisys time.
Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
Never compare EVE and Darkfall...there are a worlds of difference on how each is handling their community and game.
So the game that had to be the second comming of Jesus, is now a niche game with 10.000 preorders, and it is a success. Please, could any fanboy send me a byte of what they smoke to help in this crisys time.
Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
Humm so Darthraiden, Originalegg and many many other Fans of Darkfall are trolls? You know you might actually have some credability if you didn't lie as much. Its not that far of a search to find fans stating Darkfall would have numbers equal to or surpasing WAR, AoC, etc.
Funny how the more you post the less and less fact / truth your posts contain.
Edit: BTW Eve has what 350K subs? DF has a ways to go yet i'd say. In a preivous post you stated somehow Aventurine would do fine if they got Eve like numbers on 2-3 servers. 350K subs on 2-3 10k max servers seems pretty silly. At the time I just assumed you had no idea how many subs Eve had
So the game that had to be the second comming of Jesus, is now a niche game with 10.000 preorders, and it is a success. Please, could any fanboy send me a byte of what they smoke to help in this crisys time.
Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
Never compare EVE and Darkfall...there are a worlds of difference on how each is handling their community and game.
It is a myth created by eve fanboys , eve and CCP have their fair share problems .Tip search for '' pos exploit '' '' lag '' ''crash '' ''sound '' ''black screen ''
Heh it almost seems that Darkfall's rallying cry is that "It isnt WoW!!".........While all the beta videos look like a bunch of schoolgirls running around or a guy humping his horse while he rides, all the majority of these guys can say is "It isnt a WoW clone!!"
So after being in beta for almost 2 months, and having to bite my tounge so many times on this forum when the trolls spewed garbage and said I knew nothing more than them, I can honestly say that I can see why so many people around the world are sitting at their computers for hours on end trying to preorder Darkfall. With already at least TEN THOUSAND people preordered, as they have closed preorders, the idea that the mmo community was sick of DF couldn't be further from the truth as the common sense crowd have been saying all along. Ten thousand for this niche market game is the equivalent of about 500,000 for WoW...and there are so many more people wanting to preorder. The game is beyond fun, but of course needs a LOT of polish and imo needed another delay (but then again what mmo doesnt need more polish on release). But the game is more fun than any game on the market right now for those looking for this kind of pvp experience that just isnt satisfied by the clones out there. They have put in multiple patches over the last 48 hours and hopefully are making sure they have a smooth launch. I think the staggered release is a good idea to ensure a smooth launch. After waiting so long, its worth it to wait a little longer to ensure a smooth release (i got my preorder in along with most of my guild). I am happy to be one of the tens of thousands of gamers wanting to play this "vaporware lol scam" tomorrow and the niche market it is targeting couldnt be happier.
So after being in beta for almost 2 months, and having to bite my tounge so many times on this forum when the trolls spewed garbage and said I knew nothing more than them, I can honestly say that I can see why so many people around the world are sitting at their computers for hours on end trying to preorder Darkfall. With already at least TEN THOUSAND people preordered, as they have closed preorders, the idea that the mmo community was sick of DF couldn't be further from the truth as the common sense crowd have been saying all along. Ten thousand for this niche market game is the equivalent of about 500,000 for WoW...and there are so many more people wanting to preorder. The game is beyond fun, but of course needs a LOT of polish and imo needed another delay (but then again what mmo doesnt need more polish on release). But the game is more fun than any game on the market right now for those looking for this kind of pvp experience that just isnt satisfied by the clones out there. They have put in multiple patches over the last 48 hours and hopefully are making sure they have a smooth launch. I think the staggered release is a good idea to ensure a smooth launch. After waiting so long, its worth it to wait a little longer to ensure a smooth release (i got my preorder in along with most of my guild). I am happy to be one of the tens of thousands of gamers wanting to play this "vaporware lol scam" tomorrow and the niche market it is targeting couldnt be happier.
Blatant propaganda. Its like a little child screaming and kicking "omg i love this so much, look how much i love this, omg can you see how much i love this? Look at me, look how much i love this lovingly loving game!!"
No offense buddy, but you are trying to hard. You give reason to those trolls who do the opposite of you "OMG look how much i hate this game, omg are you watching how much i hate this game? Look at meeeeeee, look how much i hate this gameeeee".
kids, grow up already and move out of your parent's basement (literaly speaking of course)
It is a myth created by eve fanboys , eve and CCP have their fair share problems .Tip search for '' pos exploit '' '' lag '' ''crash '' ''sound '' ''black screen ''
Exploit, yes. The rest is an except rather then a rule. Eve is one of the most polished games ive ever seen... second to WoW perhaps. I played Eve in beta, it was not as well polished as it is now, but it was still fine. Unless im the exception here, because Eve never crashed on me.
Hmm.... you know what? The only thing we really know is that Aventurine said they sold out of their pre-orders, and people assume that number is 10K, because Aventurine said so.
Sure, we're going to start taking their word for things now.
As badly as the pre-order website ran, they're probably lucky if 3000 people managed to actually place an order.
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Sorry I forgot that on these forums you have to REALLY spell it out for some.
10k+ people have already preordered, correct.
You don't have to spell it out for anyone. You were corrected.
"Ten thousand" is a DIFFERENT NUMBER than "Tens of thousands".
"must trolll....regardless of the fact that im wrong......."
The statement was "tens of thousands of people can't wait to play DF". Ten thousand have preordered already, many many more were trying to.
I guess I was right, some need it explained to them more than once
There are not "Tens of thousands" of people wanting to play this game.
For the love of god, you people are like jackels. Im not even going to play this game and you work me up.
So you can say that 50,000 people will not play Darkfall worldwide, or even 30,000 people?? Because that isnt alot and that is "Tens of thousands".
Plus, anyone who used even the smallest amount of their brain would have understood what his 10,000 equals 500,000 statement meant. Duh, the target audience for Darkfall is much smaller. But no, you just jump on it because it was a tiny bit of fuel for your hate fire. Never mind that the comment makes perfect sense, just jump on it anyway because he was of course saying that 10,000 Darkfall fans are just as UBER as 500,000 WoW fans.
And keep busting on them for only opening pre-orders for 10K fans. If Darkfall would have opened with 10+ servers and a month or two later they had to do merges you would all yell "FAILZ!!!".
So they open with probably one server which will be full, then open up new servers as needed, and you yell "FAILZ!!!"
It doesnt matter what answer is given, you are going to bust on it because you bust on it. The fans should not even try. Those that want to try it will, those that dont wont.
Anyone who doesnt understand that it is better for the entire genre of MMOs for Darkfall to succeed then it is for them to fail isnt really a fan.
News flash everyone, every 10k subs in Darkfall should be counted as 500k subs in a "normal" MMO. This just might be the game to beat WoW in sub numbers!
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You speak of the trolls being bad, imbant, but you fail to realize that the fanbois are making this game appear just as bad from those looking in from the outside.
For the love of god, you people are like jackels. Im not even going to play this game and you work me up. So you can say that 50,000 people will not play Darkfall worldwide, or even 30,000 people?? Because that isnt alot and that is "Tens of thousands". Plus, anyone who used even the smallest amount of their brain would have understood what his 10,000 equals 500,000 statement meant. Duh, the target audience for Darkfall is much smaller. But no, you just jump on it because it was a tiny bit of fuel for your hate fire. Never mind that the comment makes perfect sense, just jump on it anyway because he was of course saying that 10,000 Darkfall fans are just as UBER as 500,000 WoW fans. And keep busting on them for only opening pre-orders for 10K fans. If Darkfall would have opened with 10+ servers and a month or two later they had to do merges you would all yell "FAILZ!!!".
So they open with probably one server which will be full, then open up new servers as needed, and you yell "FAILZ!!!" It doesnt matter what answer is given, you are going to bust on it because you bust on it. The fans should not even try. Those that want to try it will, those that dont wont. Anyone who doesnt understand that it is better for the entire genre of MMOs for Darkfall to succeed then it is for them to fail isnt really a fan.
Well, if there is demand, why not increase supply? Unless they can't do it for technical reasons. In that case it is very confusing that a MMO not able to handle that much traffic. Its supposed to, thats why its called an MMO. If it cant, its not designed properly or their sysadmin has been on vacation for the last 2 years.
Who on earth would design a game to be so small? I mean, yeah sure the target audience is small, but hey, maybe, just MAYBE people will love this so much and actually 100,000 sign up! But no, they don't care that 100,000 people want to pay for the game. What kind of businessman tells himself "Im gonna earn 10000$ a month and not a penny more, even if someone is giving it to me for free". Kinda dumb from business perspective, don't you think?
Again for the simpletons. DF Audience- FFA PVP with full Loot Crowd WoW Audience- No fear linear PVE that is easy to get into and has little to no consequences crowd, and intelligent Chimps. His numbers are based off the audience. Do you get it now.
It makes you sound smart to call other people "simpletons" on online forums. I just want to reassure you of that fact.
Either way, I think we all (or most of us) realize what the OP meant. The problem is, Darkfall cannot survive on a small, niche market. They have a lot of people who have supported them financially over the past 7+ years, and you can bet they are looking to cash in quickly and get a return on all that they have put into this game. If Darkfall can't release the game to a wider base, which seems to be pointing to a failure in the testing phase (or lack thereof), then that indicates some serious problems.
I know I most likely come off as a troll in these Darkfall forums, but I really do want the game to succeed... I would love to play a PvP game that doesn't hold your hand the entire way. However, recent MMO releases that promised amazing things (see: Age of Conan, Warhammer Online) have all fallen short, so I especially don't have any high hopes for a game like this with such a sketchy launch after a very, very long development period.
It really irks me when someone thinks one play style is so superior to anothers.. FFA pvp sandbox is not in any way more "intelligent" then WoW's linear, level/quest based system.. their just different. Managing your stamina, circle straffing while clicking the left mouse button is in no way "more intellegent" then managing skill cooldowns/ability counters, profession spec, gearing, etc.. Believe it or not, I enjoyed AC, UO, and also WoW. The fact that I still enjoy raiding with my guild, bgs every once in a while, along with arena fights does not make me inferior to DF player. From what I've seen in the Beta, DF will have more then it's fair share of retards. Again, I know it's hard for someone to comprehend, but pefering one play style over another does not make you a smarter/better/"more hardcore" player, it's just your prefrence.. which isn't better then others, just different.
For the love of god, you people are like jackels. Im not even going to play this game and you work me up. So you can say that 50,000 people will not play Darkfall worldwide, or even 30,000 people?? Because that isnt alot and that is "Tens of thousands". Plus, anyone who used even the smallest amount of their brain would have understood what his 10,000 equals 500,000 statement meant. Duh, the target audience for Darkfall is much smaller. But no, you just jump on it because it was a tiny bit of fuel for your hate fire. Never mind that the comment makes perfect sense, just jump on it anyway because he was of course saying that 10,000 Darkfall fans are just as UBER as 500,000 WoW fans. And keep busting on them for only opening pre-orders for 10K fans. If Darkfall would have opened with 10+ servers and a month or two later they had to do merges you would all yell "FAILZ!!!".
So they open with probably one server which will be full, then open up new servers as needed, and you yell "FAILZ!!!" It doesnt matter what answer is given, you are going to bust on it because you bust on it. The fans should not even try. Those that want to try it will, those that dont wont. Anyone who doesnt understand that it is better for the entire genre of MMOs for Darkfall to succeed then it is for them to fail isnt really a fan.
Well, if there is demand, why not increase supply? Unless they can't do it for technical reasons. In that case it is very confusing that a MMO not able to handle that much traffic. Its supposed to, thats why its called an MMO. If it cant, its not designed properly or their sysadmin has been on vacation for the last 2 years.
Who on earth would design a game to be so small? I mean, yeah sure the target audience is small, but hey, maybe, just MAYBE people will love this so much and actually 100,000 sign up! But no, they don't care that 100,000 people want to pay for the game. What kind of businessman tells himself "Im gonna earn 10000$ a month and not a penny more, even if someone is giving it to me for free". Kinda dumb from business perspective, don't you think?
Actually i think you are kind of wrong here. I think if Darkfall tried to sell itself to a larger audience then the FFA PVP crowd it would have a better chance of failing. Tasos was trying that for awhile but that talk has settled down a bit. I think for Darkfall to succeed it has to target that small fan base and keep them happy, because they are a pretty loyal base. Shadowbane stuck around for awhile and it looked god awful.
The player base may be 100K or a bit more but i dont think it will be much higher then that. Yes, perhaps if i was in charge i may have opened up 2 or 3 servers and tried to get in 30K ish but i wasnt in charge.
Again for the simpletons. DF Audience- FFA PVP with full Loot Crowd WoW Audience- No fear linear PVE that is easy to get into and has little to no consequences crowd, and intelligent Chimps. His numbers are based off the audience. Do you get it now.
It makes you sound smart to call other people "simpletons" on online forums. I just want to reassure you of that fact.
Either way, I think we all (or most of us) realize what the OP meant. The problem is, Darkfall cannot survive on a small, niche market. They have a lot of people who have supported them financially over the past 7+ years, and you can bet they are looking to cash in quickly and get a return on all that they have put into this game. If Darkfall can't release the game to a wider base, which seems to be pointing to a failure in the testing phase (or lack thereof), then that indicates some serious problems.
I know I most likely come off as a troll in these Darkfall forums, but I really do want the game to succeed... I would love to play a PvP game that doesn't hold your hand the entire way. However, recent MMO releases that promised amazing things (see: Age of Conan, Warhammer Online) have all fallen short, so I especially don't have any high hopes for a game like this with such a sketchy launch after a very, very long development period.
Edit: Spelling and grammar are srs bsnss.
It doesnt make me feel smart or superior calling people simpletons. And the sad thing is yes, most did realize what the OP meant yet still felt the need to jump on him in accurately because it is the thing to do.
And i do believe that Darkfall can survive on just that small niche market, if that is actually what they are trying to do. If this game was truely built for a few 100 thousand people max then Darkfall should be fine with just the FFA PVP community, as long as it releases in a decent state.
Actually i think you are kind of wrong here. I think if Darkfall tried to sell itself to a larger audience then the FFA PVP crowd it would have a better chance of failing. Tasos was trying that for awhile but that talk has settled down a bit. I think for Darkfall to succeed it has to target that small fan base and keep them happy, because they are a pretty loyal base. Shadowbane stuck around for awhile and it looked god awful. The player base may be 100K or a bit more but i dont think it will be much higher then that. Yes, perhaps if i was in charge i may have opened up 2 or 3 servers and tried to get in 30K ish but i wasnt in charge.
When i said larger audience i did not mean people that like other game styles (PvE etc)> I meant people that like FFA PvP and want to play DF for what it is. But they cant becauase preorders are sold out.
Actually i think you are kind of wrong here. I think if Darkfall tried to sell itself to a larger audience then the FFA PVP crowd it would have a better chance of failing. Tasos was trying that for awhile but that talk has settled down a bit. I think for Darkfall to succeed it has to target that small fan base and keep them happy, because they are a pretty loyal base. Shadowbane stuck around for awhile and it looked god awful. The player base may be 100K or a bit more but i dont think it will be much higher then that. Yes, perhaps if i was in charge i may have opened up 2 or 3 servers and tried to get in 30K ish but i wasnt in charge.
When i said larger audience i did not mean people that like other game styles (PvE etc)> I meant people that like FFA PvP and want to play DF for what it is. But they cant becauase preorders are sold out.
You are right, and as i said, i would have made for a larger launch.
But this could work out of them. If they really do basically do launch as a 1 server at a time process thing at least they wont have to worry about the player base being spread to thin across a number of servers.
I have no idea if this is their thinking or not, but i am willing to keep an eye on the game and see how it turns out.
Again for the simpletons. DF Audience- FFA PVP with full Loot Crowd WoW Audience- No fear linear PVE that is easy to get into and has little to no consequences crowd, and intelligent Chimps. His numbers are based off the audience. Do you get it now.
His numbers where something even he admits he made up out of thin air, and stated as fact. Do you get it now?
I have little problem with the statement in itself, I just get tired of the fans making up BS to power their arguements. (and yes some of the trolls are just as bad) If someones gonna make up shit like, only the trolls said DF was not a niche game (would make WAR or even WoW like sub numbers) etc then I WILL point it out as BS. I have no doubt if I go around making up shit about DF thats negative the Fans will call me on it.
So correct me if I'm wrong your saying we should just accept what the fans say without question even when we know they have no facts to back up their points? Personally i'd say doing such would be the act of a simpleton.
You've already stated WoW is for intelligent chimps, so I assume you believe that anyone that plays DF is somerhow smarter and better. Guess the whole "different people have different playstyles and everyone should be able to play whats fun to them without being labled a "intelligent chimp" point would be wasted here.
Sorry I forgot that on these forums you have to REALLY spell it out for some. 10k+ people have already preordered, correct.
There was 10k+ pre orders for Dark and Light.
What the fuck is your point? Beyond being a fanboy
do you HONESTLY think that even half of the people who pre order this horrific featureless amateur mess even SAW yet what they pre ordered? NO.. just like DnL
These people will NOT be around for long after they finally see what they ordered.
Just like Dark and Light.
You better sit back tight.. because a train wreck is about to unfold.
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Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
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"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
Never compare EVE and Darkfall...there are a worlds of difference on how each is handling their community and game.
Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
Humm so Darthraiden, Originalegg and many many other Fans of Darkfall are trolls? You know you might actually have some credability if you didn't lie as much. Its not that far of a search to find fans stating Darkfall would have numbers equal to or surpasing WAR, AoC, etc.
Funny how the more you post the less and less fact / truth your posts contain.
Edit: BTW Eve has what 350K subs? DF has a ways to go yet i'd say. In a preivous post you stated somehow Aventurine would do fine if they got Eve like numbers on 2-3 servers. 350K subs on 2-3 10k max servers seems pretty silly. At the time I just assumed you had no idea how many subs Eve had
Only the trolls made that statement....funny how that works out.
And yes all along the fans said that it only needed to have the subs of EVE in order for it to be a success...only the ignorant think that sub numbers means a game is good and successful... You fall into this category obviously.
Tomorrow you eat pie my friend
Never compare EVE and Darkfall...there are a worlds of difference on how each is handling their community and game.
It is a myth created by eve fanboys , eve and CCP have their fair share problems .Tip search for '' pos exploit '' '' lag '' ''crash '' ''sound '' ''black screen ''
Av is such a crappy company.
Tomorrow is going to be hilarious. Enjoy pay-for-beta fanboys, it's all it is.
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Heh it almost seems that Darkfall's rallying cry is that "It isnt WoW!!".........While all the beta videos look like a bunch of schoolgirls running around or a guy humping his horse while he rides, all the majority of these guys can say is "It isnt a WoW clone!!"
By far the best game i ever played.
Never seen such a dedicated staff.
Makes you wonder if they ever sleep?
Blatant propaganda. Its like a little child screaming and kicking "omg i love this so much, look how much i love this, omg can you see how much i love this? Look at me, look how much i love this lovingly loving game!!"
No offense buddy, but you are trying to hard. You give reason to those trolls who do the opposite of you "OMG look how much i hate this game, omg are you watching how much i hate this game? Look at meeeeeee, look how much i hate this gameeeee".
kids, grow up already and move out of your parent's basement (literaly speaking of course)
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Exploit, yes. The rest is an except rather then a rule. Eve is one of the most polished games ive ever seen... second to WoW perhaps. I played Eve in beta, it was not as well polished as it is now, but it was still fine. Unless im the exception here, because Eve never crashed on me.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Hmm.... you know what? The only thing we really know is that Aventurine said they sold out of their pre-orders, and people assume that number is 10K, because Aventurine said so.
Sure, we're going to start taking their word for things now.
As badly as the pre-order website ran, they're probably lucky if 3000 people managed to actually place an order.
Wait, wait, don't say it.....
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Sorry I forgot that on these forums you have to REALLY spell it out for some.
10k+ people have already preordered, correct.
You don't have to spell it out for anyone. You were corrected.
"Ten thousand" is a DIFFERENT NUMBER than "Tens of thousands".
"must trolll....regardless of the fact that im wrong......."
The statement was "tens of thousands of people can't wait to play DF". Ten thousand have preordered already, many many more were trying to.
I guess I was right, some need it explained to them more than once
There are not "Tens of thousands" of people wanting to play this game.
For the love of god, you people are like jackels. Im not even going to play this game and you work me up.
So you can say that 50,000 people will not play Darkfall worldwide, or even 30,000 people?? Because that isnt alot and that is "Tens of thousands".
Plus, anyone who used even the smallest amount of their brain would have understood what his 10,000 equals 500,000 statement meant. Duh, the target audience for Darkfall is much smaller. But no, you just jump on it because it was a tiny bit of fuel for your hate fire. Never mind that the comment makes perfect sense, just jump on it anyway because he was of course saying that 10,000 Darkfall fans are just as UBER as 500,000 WoW fans.
And keep busting on them for only opening pre-orders for 10K fans. If Darkfall would have opened with 10+ servers and a month or two later they had to do merges you would all yell "FAILZ!!!".
So they open with probably one server which will be full, then open up new servers as needed, and you yell "FAILZ!!!"
It doesnt matter what answer is given, you are going to bust on it because you bust on it. The fans should not even try. Those that want to try it will, those that dont wont.
Anyone who doesnt understand that it is better for the entire genre of MMOs for Darkfall to succeed then it is for them to fail isnt really a fan.
How hilarious...
News flash everyone, every 10k subs in Darkfall should be counted as 500k subs in a "normal" MMO. This just might be the game to beat WoW in sub numbers!
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You speak of the trolls being bad, imbant, but you fail to realize that the fanbois are making this game appear just as bad from those looking in from the outside.
Again for the simpletons.
DF Audience- FFA PVP with full Loot Crowd
WoW Audience- No fear linear PVE that is easy to get into and has little to no consequences crowd, and intelligent Chimps.
His numbers are based off the audience. Do you get it now.
Well, if there is demand, why not increase supply? Unless they can't do it for technical reasons. In that case it is very confusing that a MMO not able to handle that much traffic. Its supposed to, thats why its called an MMO. If it cant, its not designed properly or their sysadmin has been on vacation for the last 2 years.
Who on earth would design a game to be so small? I mean, yeah sure the target audience is small, but hey, maybe, just MAYBE people will love this so much and actually 100,000 sign up! But no, they don't care that 100,000 people want to pay for the game. What kind of businessman tells himself "Im gonna earn 10000$ a month and not a penny more, even if someone is giving it to me for free". Kinda dumb from business perspective, don't you think?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
It makes you sound smart to call other people "simpletons" on online forums. I just want to reassure you of that fact.
Either way, I think we all (or most of us) realize what the OP meant. The problem is, Darkfall cannot survive on a small, niche market. They have a lot of people who have supported them financially over the past 7+ years, and you can bet they are looking to cash in quickly and get a return on all that they have put into this game. If Darkfall can't release the game to a wider base, which seems to be pointing to a failure in the testing phase (or lack thereof), then that indicates some serious problems.
I know I most likely come off as a troll in these Darkfall forums, but I really do want the game to succeed... I would love to play a PvP game that doesn't hold your hand the entire way. However, recent MMO releases that promised amazing things (see: Age of Conan, Warhammer Online) have all fallen short, so I especially don't have any high hopes for a game like this with such a sketchy launch after a very, very long development period.
Edit: Spelling and grammar are srs bsnss.
It really irks me when someone thinks one play style is so superior to anothers.. FFA pvp sandbox is not in any way more "intelligent" then WoW's linear, level/quest based system.. their just different. Managing your stamina, circle straffing while clicking the left mouse button is in no way "more intellegent" then managing skill cooldowns/ability counters, profession spec, gearing, etc.. Believe it or not, I enjoyed AC, UO, and also WoW. The fact that I still enjoy raiding with my guild, bgs every once in a while, along with arena fights does not make me inferior to DF player. From what I've seen in the Beta, DF will have more then it's fair share of retards. Again, I know it's hard for someone to comprehend, but pefering one play style over another does not make you a smarter/better/"more hardcore" player, it's just your prefrence.. which isn't better then others, just different.
you know what if darkfall is loved by many then thats cool and dandy .
personally i waited a bit as pre orders have proven to bite me once too often hehe
Here we go...wheeee...
Haters...DF sucks...
Fanboys...you suck...
Haters...DF suck more...
Fanboys...you suck more...
I'm calling calling "Nanny 911" to help get these children under control.
Well, if there is demand, why not increase supply? Unless they can't do it for technical reasons. In that case it is very confusing that a MMO not able to handle that much traffic. Its supposed to, thats why its called an MMO. If it cant, its not designed properly or their sysadmin has been on vacation for the last 2 years.
Who on earth would design a game to be so small? I mean, yeah sure the target audience is small, but hey, maybe, just MAYBE people will love this so much and actually 100,000 sign up! But no, they don't care that 100,000 people want to pay for the game. What kind of businessman tells himself "Im gonna earn 10000$ a month and not a penny more, even if someone is giving it to me for free". Kinda dumb from business perspective, don't you think?
Actually i think you are kind of wrong here. I think if Darkfall tried to sell itself to a larger audience then the FFA PVP crowd it would have a better chance of failing. Tasos was trying that for awhile but that talk has settled down a bit. I think for Darkfall to succeed it has to target that small fan base and keep them happy, because they are a pretty loyal base. Shadowbane stuck around for awhile and it looked god awful.
The player base may be 100K or a bit more but i dont think it will be much higher then that. Yes, perhaps if i was in charge i may have opened up 2 or 3 servers and tried to get in 30K ish but i wasnt in charge.
It makes you sound smart to call other people "simpletons" on online forums. I just want to reassure you of that fact.
Either way, I think we all (or most of us) realize what the OP meant. The problem is, Darkfall cannot survive on a small, niche market. They have a lot of people who have supported them financially over the past 7+ years, and you can bet they are looking to cash in quickly and get a return on all that they have put into this game. If Darkfall can't release the game to a wider base, which seems to be pointing to a failure in the testing phase (or lack thereof), then that indicates some serious problems.
I know I most likely come off as a troll in these Darkfall forums, but I really do want the game to succeed... I would love to play a PvP game that doesn't hold your hand the entire way. However, recent MMO releases that promised amazing things (see: Age of Conan, Warhammer Online) have all fallen short, so I especially don't have any high hopes for a game like this with such a sketchy launch after a very, very long development period.
Edit: Spelling and grammar are srs bsnss.
It doesnt make me feel smart or superior calling people simpletons. And the sad thing is yes, most did realize what the OP meant yet still felt the need to jump on him in accurately because it is the thing to do.
And i do believe that Darkfall can survive on just that small niche market, if that is actually what they are trying to do. If this game was truely built for a few 100 thousand people max then Darkfall should be fine with just the FFA PVP community, as long as it releases in a decent state.
When i said larger audience i did not mean people that like other game styles (PvE etc)> I meant people that like FFA PvP and want to play DF for what it is. But they cant becauase preorders are sold out.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
When i said larger audience i did not mean people that like other game styles (PvE etc)> I meant people that like FFA PvP and want to play DF for what it is. But they cant becauase preorders are sold out.
You are right, and as i said, i would have made for a larger launch.
But this could work out of them. If they really do basically do launch as a 1 server at a time process thing at least they wont have to worry about the player base being spread to thin across a number of servers.
I have no idea if this is their thinking or not, but i am willing to keep an eye on the game and see how it turns out.
His numbers where something even he admits he made up out of thin air, and stated as fact. Do you get it now?
I have little problem with the statement in itself, I just get tired of the fans making up BS to power their arguements. (and yes some of the trolls are just as bad) If someones gonna make up shit like, only the trolls said DF was not a niche game (would make WAR or even WoW like sub numbers) etc then I WILL point it out as BS. I have no doubt if I go around making up shit about DF thats negative the Fans will call me on it.
So correct me if I'm wrong your saying we should just accept what the fans say without question even when we know they have no facts to back up their points? Personally i'd say doing such would be the act of a simpleton.
You've already stated WoW is for intelligent chimps, so I assume you believe that anyone that plays DF is somerhow smarter and better. Guess the whole "different people have different playstyles and everyone should be able to play whats fun to them without being labled a "intelligent chimp" point would be wasted here.
There was 10k+ pre orders for Dark and Light.
What the fuck is your point? Beyond being a fanboy
do you HONESTLY think that even half of the people who pre order this horrific featureless amateur mess even SAW yet what they pre ordered? NO.. just like DnL
These people will NOT be around for long after they finally see what they ordered.
Just like Dark and Light.
You better sit back tight.. because a train wreck is about to unfold.