Dude...sure I could have written this post more politely, but it wouldn't have stood out. The idea that you have to be a complete softie 100% of the time to be mature is just stupid.
If you can't deal with not being able to play on day one, don't purchase.
if you can't deal with waiting on a new developer to get their billing system in order, don't purchase.
If you can't deal with waiting on a new developer to work out the typical kinks on a first MONTH (yes I said month, these issues are probably going to be their sporadically for a month--more so with them being a new, indie developer that folks have been saying) then don't purchase.
it doesn't require a review to understand those three points. The game probably has the best game play (with stuff missing that they could not make into launch but will be patching in later) I've read about in a while. When you actually get in game to ACTUALLY PLAY, I hear its fun. All of this has nothing to do with the technical issues.
If you aren't patient enough to deal with the technical issues right now, wait a month (or six as I'm doing) then come back. Because if you pre-ordered or purchase now you are basically paying for an incomplete game (just like most mmo launches--and especially NOT surprising int his case), so don't complain if you get through all the billing issues and still CAN'T PLAY RIGHT NOW.
Politer way of saying STFU and wait, if I do say so myself.
No just STFU will do it for you, because you obviously didn't understand that those three points you listed have abseloutely nothing to do with my original post. In fact, the people whining about that stuff was one of my targets.
I agree there is alot of crap on these forums atm. I just hope it does not scare away players from posting reviews on the game.
I Was a beta tester for a month.
there is no way I will post any review on this forum. no point really.
The problems with the latest bumper-crop of reviews is that no one seems to be able to give an unbiased opinion on the game. I have yet to see a review where one person gave both pros and cons of the game, it is usually loaded with shortsightedness or stupidity.
What people need is a limited trial, since not everyone's is the same there is only one way to form a true opinion and that is to try the game out. Developers will not release trials at launch because they themselves are not secure in their game. They know that if they offer a trial at release they will lose a pile of box purchases.
this forum is too polarised, so much so that it almost forces you to pick a side.
trolls only think that negative reviews are any good, while fanboys only think good review are of any worth.
if you post both, one side focuses on the positive, the other focuses on the negative, it turns into a big stupid flame war, rinse and repeat.
Thus the reason a trial is needed. Hell, it only needs to be a day or even over a weekend. Ahh well, we can only wish. . .
I missed your edit.
I think the problem is that there is no middle of the road for Darkfall. There are those that speak of Darkfall like it is gospel and those that would like to crucify it.
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As you may have read in earlier posts of mine, I'm no fan of AV. Not at all. But seriously, the only thing you have to go on here is from one update to another. You aren't any closer to purchasing the game or having your account enabled by posting 500 seperate threads for one topic that could consolidated in one thread.
Another thing, STOP FLAMING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE POSTS ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES INGAME TODAY. If you want information about the game, it helps to get both sides before you pull an AoC and pay $50 for a shit game. Right now you guys need to stop and realize what a prey you are to this company. You are anxious, excited, and curious, and all three of those things might make you $50 poorer. You need information. The way people are acting on this forum right now reminds me 100% of the culture that got AoC 1 million pre-orders and now only 70,000 subscribers. But hey, if you want to waste your time whining here and your money buying something you don't know all you can about, go ahead.
People are just mad, its not a big deal, who cares if they post here or not, they cant post on DF forums, they cant contact df support, of course they want to fume and many of them have reason to. many were charged money for nothing.
You dont have to read these post, you dont even have to come to these message boards. It's normal for people to vent when they are upset and those people that lost money, or paid for nothing have reason to be upset, there is no reason they should have expected there money (in some cases 50$ ) to be taken and receive absolutly nothing in return.
I agree with you JPZ. All you hear is poeple crying and bitching. Noone wants to hear the negetive shit anymore. If you all think its gonna fail. Keep it to yourself. We have heard it a million times already. The darkfall forums were the worse and I am glad they are down atm.
Originally posted by crysent People are just mad, its not a big deal, who cares if they post here or not, they cant post on DF forums, they cant contact df support, of course they want to fume and many of them have reason to. many were charged money for nothing.
You dont have to read these post, you dont even have to come to these message boards. It's normal for people to vent when they are upset and those people that lost money, or paid for nothing have reason to be upset, there is no reason they should have expected there money (in some cases 50$ ) to be taken and receive absolutly nothing in return.
its bullshit
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
If you did not read my posts in the thread I can not help you. I only pointed out that he is apologizing about something he never did on these forums.
Actually you did. You dug into his posting history and blew out of proportion some things he said in the past (even though they were still posted after the date he got banned) and tried to discredit his arguments with that. There was nobody more hostile to him in that thread than you, and it was hardly because he was going on an ego trip. The discussion on that thread was mostly about the game.
I guess I should have said I cant help you unless you understand what I wrote. The whole point of the thread was him apologizing for pushing Darkfall on other players. I went to his post record and found out he did not do what he said he did on MMORPG at all, he never posted a positive thing about the game. So why post it here? He said he wanted to post it on the DF forums, because he was "forcing DF on the ppl at the DF forums"? Lol. The whole purpose of his post did not make sense in the context in which it was presented. Oh and his comments about "CS kinfe fighting" were from early beta experiences before they even added in diffrent weapon speeds ect....
Oh an he was banned from beta fairly early on for mega-trolling.
Look, just admit that you were trolling in that post and all is forgiven.
Haha atleast I know you agree with me now. His whole post is nonsensical.
I agree with you that you were trolling in that post.
Originally posted by jonyak this forum is too polarised, so much so that it almost forces you to pick a side. trolls only think that negative reviews are any good, while fanboys only think good review are of any worth. if you post both, one side focuses on the positive, the other focuses on the negative, it turns into a big stupid flame war, rinse and repeat.
what I would liek to know is why the haters find it so hard to accept the fact that maybe some people out there genuinley enjoy and liek every aspect of the game... and thats not a bias, its just how it is sometimes.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea what to think. Some say the game is great, some say the game is good, some say the game is horrible. I want to hear a professional review, but I think we all know how those went with AOC.
The only way to know for sure is to give the game a try, but I am in no way giving these guys my money, at least not yet. I'll wait for a trial, I guess...
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Originally posted by crysent People are just mad, its not a big deal, who cares if they post here or not, they cant post on DF forums, they cant contact df support, of course they want to fume and many of them have reason to. many were charged money for nothing.
You dont have to read these post, you dont even have to come to these message boards. It's normal for people to vent when they are upset and those people that lost money, or paid for nothing have reason to be upset, there is no reason they should have expected there money (in some cases 50$ ) to be taken and receive absolutly nothing in return.
its bullshit
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
Are you kidding me? these people have a right to post how they were treated. Some of us gave money and received...nothing! we have as much a right as anyone to post this problem, more people posting it = more info to people considering buying it. Not to mention there are numerous problems people are having, many are different. Now I agree not to flame those posting reviews, but I dont agree that people should not be able to complain about how they have been treated, its absolutly ridiculous that the DF forums are down, that DF support is down, and that we can't even access our account info to verify there claim that its incorrect information on our part. People are having similar problems, its there business to know that, it's also there right to complain, just as its your right. I pre-ordered the game the first day pre orders opened, had i been aware that i might be paying for nothing then I would not have tried.
Originally posted by crysent People are just mad, its not a big deal, who cares if they post here or not, they cant post on DF forums, they cant contact df support, of course they want to fume and many of them have reason to. many were charged money for nothing.
You dont have to read these post, you dont even have to come to these message boards. It's normal for people to vent when they are upset and those people that lost money, or paid for nothing have reason to be upset, there is no reason they should have expected there money (in some cases 50$ ) to be taken and receive absolutly nothing in return.
its bullshit
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
Are you kidding me? these people have a right to post how they were treated. Some of us gave money and received...nothing! we have as much a right as anyone to post this problem, more people posting it = more info to people considering buying it. Not to mention there are numerous problems people are having, many are different. Now I agree not to flame those posting reviews, but I dont agree that people should not be able to complain about how they have been treated, its absolutly ridiculous that the DF forums are down, that DF support is down, and that we can't even access our account info to verify there claim that its incorrect information on our part. People are having similar problems, its there business to know that, it's also there right to complain, just as its your right. I pre-ordered the game the first day pre orders opened, had i been aware that i might be paying for nothing then I would not have tried.
I defer to what I originally said:
"But seriously, the only thing you have to go on here is from one update to another."
Originally posted by crysent People are just mad, its not a big deal, who cares if they post here or not, they cant post on DF forums, they cant contact df support, of course they want to fume and many of them have reason to. many were charged money for nothing.
You dont have to read these post, you dont even have to come to these message boards. It's normal for people to vent when they are upset and those people that lost money, or paid for nothing have reason to be upset, there is no reason they should have expected there money (in some cases 50$ ) to be taken and receive absolutly nothing in return.
its bullshit
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
Are you kidding me? these people have a right to post how they were treated. Some of us gave money and received...nothing! we have as much a right as anyone to post this problem, more people posting it = more info to people considering buying it. Not to mention there are numerous problems people are having, many are different. Now I agree not to flame those posting reviews, but I dont agree that people should not be able to complain about how they have been treated, its absolutly ridiculous that the DF forums are down, that DF support is down, and that we can't even access our account info to verify there claim that its incorrect information on our part. People are having similar problems, its there business to know that, it's also there right to complain, just as its your right. I pre-ordered the game the first day pre orders opened, had i been aware that i might be paying for nothing then I would not have tried.
I defer to what I originally said:
"But seriously, the only thing you have to go on here is from one update to another."
Yes, I'm sure that's what this forum will be used for, just updateing one another.
Originally posted by jonyak this forum is too polarised, so much so that it almost forces you to pick a side. trolls only think that negative reviews are any good, while fanboys only think good review are of any worth. if you post both, one side focuses on the positive, the other focuses on the negative, it turns into a big stupid flame war, rinse and repeat.
what I would liek to know is why the haters find it so hard to accept the fact that maybe some people out there genuinley enjoy and liek every aspect of the game... and thats not a bias, its just how it is sometimes.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea what to think. Some say the game is great, some say the game is good, some say the game is horrible. I want to hear a professional review, but I think we all know how those went with AOC.
The only way to know for sure is to give the game a try, but I am in no way giving these guys my money, at least not yet. I'll wait for a trial, I guess...
My opinion.
I love the game. There is alot that is wrong with it, but after playing it for a month I can honestly say, every time I logged in I had a blast.
I was part of a large and highly organised guild though.
Some people are going to really not liek the game.
Some things still need a ton of work.
In the time I was in beta, I saw an average of 2 patches a day. most of them implementing things suggested by players. even though they did not communicate with us very well I got the impression they were listening very closely.
I did not think they should have released right now, but shit happens.
It is a beta review, but you are not going to get a good review about the release client until atleast a week or more.
There are big differences between posting ones thoughts of the game, and doing a review wouldn't you agree? I would say one would tend to favor facts more in a review, then in posting fairly random thoughts that may well be emotionally charged responses to a post (ie defend, attack etc.) rather then a games real qualities.
Sir yes ma'am! Let's all listen to the OP because he's better than us and can tell us what to do ZOMG GAIZ shut up let's ignore Darkfall even though this is supposed to be its biggest day in its development history. Yeah. OP must really be new here.
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Dude...sure I could have written this post more politely, but it wouldn't have stood out. The idea that you have to be a complete softie 100% of the time to be mature is just stupid.
Played:
EQ1, AO, WoW, AoC
Best thread ever:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2680105/thread/225957#2680105
If you can't deal with not being able to play on day one, don't purchase.
if you can't deal with waiting on a new developer to get their billing system in order, don't purchase.
If you can't deal with waiting on a new developer to work out the typical kinks on a first MONTH (yes I said month, these issues are probably going to be their sporadically for a month--more so with them being a new, indie developer that folks have been saying) then don't purchase.
it doesn't require a review to understand those three points. The game probably has the best game play (with stuff missing that they could not make into launch but will be patching in later) I've read about in a while. When you actually get in game to ACTUALLY PLAY, I hear its fun. All of this has nothing to do with the technical issues.
If you aren't patient enough to deal with the technical issues right now, wait a month (or six as I'm doing) then come back. Because if you pre-ordered or purchase now you are basically paying for an incomplete game (just like most mmo launches--and especially NOT surprising int his case), so don't complain if you get through all the billing issues and still CAN'T PLAY RIGHT NOW.
Politer way of saying STFU and wait, if I do say so myself.
No just STFU will do it for you, because you obviously didn't understand that those three points you listed have abseloutely nothing to do with my original post. In fact, the people whining about that stuff was one of my targets.
Played:
EQ1, AO, WoW, AoC
Best thread ever:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2680105/thread/225957#2680105
I Was a beta tester for a month.
there is no way I will post any review on this forum. no point really.
The problems with the latest bumper-crop of reviews is that no one seems to be able to give an unbiased opinion on the game. I have yet to see a review where one person gave both pros and cons of the game, it is usually loaded with shortsightedness or stupidity.
What people need is a limited trial, since not everyone's is the same there is only one way to form a true opinion and that is to try the game out. Developers will not release trials at launch because they themselves are not secure in their game. They know that if they offer a trial at release they will lose a pile of box purchases.
this forum is too polarised, so much so that it almost forces you to pick a side.
trolls only think that negative reviews are any good, while fanboys only think good review are of any worth.
if you post both, one side focuses on the positive, the other focuses on the negative, it turns into a big stupid flame war, rinse and repeat.
Thus the reason a trial is needed. Hell, it only needs to be a day or even over a weekend. Ahh well, we can only wish. . .
I missed your edit.
I think the problem is that there is no middle of the road for Darkfall. There are those that speak of Darkfall like it is gospel and those that would like to crucify it.
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People are just mad, its not a big deal, who cares if they post here or not, they cant post on DF forums, they cant contact df support, of course they want to fume and many of them have reason to. many were charged money for nothing.
You dont have to read these post, you dont even have to come to these message boards. It's normal for people to vent when they are upset and those people that lost money, or paid for nothing have reason to be upset, there is no reason they should have expected there money (in some cases 50$ ) to be taken and receive absolutly nothing in return.
its bullshit
I agree with you JPZ. All you hear is poeple crying and bitching. Noone wants to hear the negetive shit anymore. If you all think its gonna fail. Keep it to yourself. We have heard it a million times already. The darkfall forums were the worse and I am glad they are down atm.
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
Played:
EQ1, AO, WoW, AoC
Best thread ever:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2680105/thread/225957#2680105
Actually you did. You dug into his posting history and blew out of proportion some things he said in the past (even though they were still posted after the date he got banned) and tried to discredit his arguments with that. There was nobody more hostile to him in that thread than you, and it was hardly because he was going on an ego trip. The discussion on that thread was mostly about the game.
I guess I should have said I cant help you unless you understand what I wrote. The whole point of the thread was him apologizing for pushing Darkfall on other players. I went to his post record and found out he did not do what he said he did on MMORPG at all, he never posted a positive thing about the game. So why post it here? He said he wanted to post it on the DF forums, because he was "forcing DF on the ppl at the DF forums"? Lol. The whole purpose of his post did not make sense in the context in which it was presented. Oh and his comments about "CS kinfe fighting" were from early beta experiences before they even added in diffrent weapon speeds ect....
Oh an he was banned from beta fairly early on for mega-trolling.
Look, just admit that you were trolling in that post and all is forgiven.
Haha atleast I know you agree with me now. His whole post is nonsensical.
I agree with you that you were trolling in that post.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea what to think. Some say the game is great, some say the game is good, some say the game is horrible. I want to hear a professional review, but I think we all know how those went with AOC.
The only way to know for sure is to give the game a try, but I am in no way giving these guys my money, at least not yet. I'll wait for a trial, I guess...
It's a proven historical fact that beer saved humankind.
So since your are a DF beta tester why aren't YOU posting any reviews?
I Was a beta tester for a month.
there is no way I will post any review on this forum. no point really.
Care to explain?
Edit: NM found your answer to my question farther in the thread.
So since your are a DF beta tester why aren't YOU posting any reviews?
Haha! Good question.
Played:
EQ1, AO, WoW, AoC
Best thread ever:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2680105/thread/225957#2680105
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
Are you kidding me? these people have a right to post how they were treated. Some of us gave money and received...nothing! we have as much a right as anyone to post this problem, more people posting it = more info to people considering buying it. Not to mention there are numerous problems people are having, many are different. Now I agree not to flame those posting reviews, but I dont agree that people should not be able to complain about how they have been treated, its absolutly ridiculous that the DF forums are down, that DF support is down, and that we can't even access our account info to verify there claim that its incorrect information on our part. People are having similar problems, its there business to know that, it's also there right to complain, just as its your right. I pre-ordered the game the first day pre orders opened, had i been aware that i might be paying for nothing then I would not have tried.
So since your are a DF beta tester why aren't YOU posting any reviews?
Its almost pointless to post any reviews cause its just gonna be burried in 12 year old bitching in the next 5 min.
Dude are you serious? I don't believe this. They changed the thread name...wow.
Played:
EQ1, AO, WoW, AoC
Best thread ever:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2680105/thread/225957#2680105
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
Are you kidding me? these people have a right to post how they were treated. Some of us gave money and received...nothing! we have as much a right as anyone to post this problem, more people posting it = more info to people considering buying it. Not to mention there are numerous problems people are having, many are different. Now I agree not to flame those posting reviews, but I dont agree that people should not be able to complain about how they have been treated, its absolutly ridiculous that the DF forums are down, that DF support is down, and that we can't even access our account info to verify there claim that its incorrect information on our part. People are having similar problems, its there business to know that, it's also there right to complain, just as its your right. I pre-ordered the game the first day pre orders opened, had i been aware that i might be paying for nothing then I would not have tried.
I defer to what I originally said:
"But seriously, the only thing you have to go on here is from one update to another."
Played:
EQ1, AO, WoW, AoC
Best thread ever:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2680105/thread/225957#2680105
You've been 'moderated', girly man.
I Was a beta tester for a month.
there is no way I will post any review on this forum. no point really.
Care to explain?
I already did.
So since your are a DF beta tester why aren't YOU posting any reviews?
Its almost pointless to post any reviews cause its just gonna be burried in 12 year old bitching in the next 5 min.
This. I have posted my thoughts on the game multiple times on these forums anyways.
And to everyone crying about the lack of "objective reviews" Here ya go:
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Paragus1
It is a beta review, but you are not going to get a good review about the release client until atleast a week or more.
I've already purchased the game and was offered fake access...im sitting in-front of a menu that is in a constant state of queue.
If you have a pre-order, cancel it. I received an email stating this was "the" launch client, not beta client, but I was dooped I guess.
When I'm an undecided buyer, and all of these guys are scaring off my source of reviews, yes, it becomes my business. That no one is forcing me to read what they post is meaningless.
Are you kidding me? these people have a right to post how they were treated. Some of us gave money and received...nothing! we have as much a right as anyone to post this problem, more people posting it = more info to people considering buying it. Not to mention there are numerous problems people are having, many are different. Now I agree not to flame those posting reviews, but I dont agree that people should not be able to complain about how they have been treated, its absolutly ridiculous that the DF forums are down, that DF support is down, and that we can't even access our account info to verify there claim that its incorrect information on our part. People are having similar problems, its there business to know that, it's also there right to complain, just as its your right. I pre-ordered the game the first day pre orders opened, had i been aware that i might be paying for nothing then I would not have tried.
I defer to what I originally said:
"But seriously, the only thing you have to go on here is from one update to another."
Yes, I'm sure that's what this forum will be used for, just updateing one another.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea what to think. Some say the game is great, some say the game is good, some say the game is horrible. I want to hear a professional review, but I think we all know how those went with AOC.
The only way to know for sure is to give the game a try, but I am in no way giving these guys my money, at least not yet. I'll wait for a trial, I guess...
My opinion.
I love the game. There is alot that is wrong with it, but after playing it for a month I can honestly say, every time I logged in I had a blast.
I was part of a large and highly organised guild though.
Some people are going to really not liek the game.
Some things still need a ton of work.
In the time I was in beta, I saw an average of 2 patches a day. most of them implementing things suggested by players. even though they did not communicate with us very well I got the impression they were listening very closely.
I did not think they should have released right now, but shit happens.
So since your are a DF beta tester why aren't YOU posting any reviews?
Its almost pointless to post any reviews cause its just gonna be burried in 12 year old bitching in the next 5 min.
Point being He's suggesting others should do it when he's not willing to do it hemself.
So since your are a DF beta tester why aren't YOU posting any reviews?
Its almost pointless to post any reviews cause its just gonna be burried in 12 year old bitching in the next 5 min.
This. I have posted my thoughts on the game multiple times on these forums anyways.
And to everyone crying about the lack of "objective reviews" Here ya go:
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Paragus1
It is a beta review, but you are not going to get a good review about the release client until atleast a week or more.
Like I said in the other thread, I wish you could punch people through the screen.
EVERYONE has seen that review already. You don't just look at one review before buying a game do you?
Played:
EQ1, AO, WoW, AoC
Best thread ever:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2680105/thread/225957#2680105
So since your are a DF beta tester why aren't YOU posting any reviews?
Its almost pointless to post any reviews cause its just gonna be burried in 12 year old bitching in the next 5 min.
This. I have posted my thoughts on the game multiple times on these forums anyways.
And to everyone crying about the lack of "objective reviews" Here ya go:
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Paragus1
It is a beta review, but you are not going to get a good review about the release client until atleast a week or more.
There are big differences between posting ones thoughts of the game, and doing a review wouldn't you agree? I would say one would tend to favor facts more in a review, then in posting fairly random thoughts that may well be emotionally charged responses to a post (ie defend, attack etc.) rather then a games real qualities.
Sir yes ma'am! Let's all listen to the OP because he's better than us and can tell us what to do ZOMG GAIZ shut up let's ignore Darkfall even though this is supposed to be its biggest day in its development history. Yeah. OP must really be new here.