If AV has any intention of bringing this game in the right direction, they will realize they need to wipe the server.
Sorry to anyone who worked legit and hard, but it is not fair to have such a large group of people unable to do anything what so ever, while others are able to, and use this ability to aid in exploitation.
1 guy would get hurt. now that means he gets the aggro. he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates
the teammates block the path of the mob. mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob
i'm not 100% clear on the details, but this exploit does exist
I guess it depends on what the definition of an exploit is. I wouldn't called that an exploitation, I'd call that bad AI.
Yes the bad programming of the AI makes it open to exploiting the AI.......
wow really need to Define what Exploiting is the game mecanic is set up that you cant Run Thogh ppl there is hit colistion what you explained above is not Exploting its like ever one your group locking you inbetween a Rock and all the players trying to kill you you expt to Run right throgh them and away from the onslut nope i Dont think so bad Ai i can see it should move to another player with in the ranks to attack but all they would have to Do at that point is move back the guy being attacked over and over i see no Exploite here
so please Define exploiting to me Dueping gold is an exploite Runing at Supsonic speed is an Exploite being invisable is an exploite hiding with in a rock or tree is an exploite but not blocking the path of a mob from hiting one person well others are beating on the mob
Please define dictionary or at least use a spell checker. jesus
yes yes i probably should but it would have taken to much time and becuse my spelling is so bad half the Time Spell checkers Dont even work
sorry for having Adhd + Dyslecsia not saying its an excuse but its what i got i live with it just Fine so can you
What you do is post detailed descriptions of the exploits on main forums. That way everyone will know about it and play on equal terms. AND as an added bonus the exploit will most likely jump up a couple of steps in priority for the devs
That would be a fantastic idea, if the actual forums were up, and the devs actually listened to the playerbase.
Another similar tactic is corpse tanking, when a mob kills a player the ai gets stuck standing at the corpse, so one player takes agro from a group dies and his friends kill the group with impunity then rez the dead player.
Wow, I hadn't even heard of that one...
I was referring to synch issues bugging out mob ai when trained through rivers/lava specific "dungeons" (??) etc.
Corpse tanking. I love that. That is friggin' awesome.
If AV has any intention of bringing this game in the right direction, they will realize they need to wipe the server.
Sorry to anyone who worked legit and hard, but it is not fair to have such a large group of people unable to do anything what so ever, while others are able to, and use this ability to aid in exploitation.
Wipe the servers, nuff said.
The solution is that you give your account to me so I can play and enjoy the game while you go sit in a corner and wait for mortal online.
LOL, people are already crying about exploiting? You have to be fucking kidding me. Grow a pair and learn how to play the game.
'Sploiting ruins games.
AoC didn't wipe after the gem fiasco did they? I don't think they did.
Telling people to "man up" is a poor argument for condoning exploiting.
I do not condone exploiting and i agree that it can totally ruin a game. What pisses me off is some retard calling people cheaters for knowing what they are doing and having a game plan AHEAD of release.
I think those caught cheating/hacking/exploiting should be suspended and or banned.
To Kalmahi: You can hear all you want, but did you see us do anything? I seriously doubt it. Its not like these mobs are hard to kill buddy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that they go for the person with low HP. That person can sit there with a shield and block while the rest of the group takes the mob down. Rocket science i tell ya!
Also it is common knowledge that if you are being chased by mobs to head to water. None will run in after you, but they will sit on the shore and fill you full of arrows/spells.
We all know the server is having sync issues and it effects EVERYONE. If you are playing the game then you are just as guilty of "exploiting sync issues".
Wow, did you really just do what I think you just did?
You basically just said that:
1) "we totally took advantage of the synch issue making it easier than intended to acquire wealth"
2) "since other people had to deal with the same issues (synch) you are guilty of the same crime (despite not exploiting it to the same advantage)"
First of all, it's not the same. Second of all, why then does this not call for a rollback?
LoD will still claim their city super quick... but the playing field will be equal. Your advantage will be legitimate. You don't need the taint over your head any more than the rest of the server needs a non-legit reason to be sore over your awesomeness.
Has my scincere flattery allowed you to see past your massive epeen to the reality of this problem?
If it were whiped we would do just fine. However, at this point i am totally against a whipe even though 90% of our guild still cant get in game. The siege system will sort out this town issue fairly quickly.. dont worry about that.
to poly: I was simply stateing that everyone had to deal with this same issue. Not that we were all using it to our advantage. The server will work itself out and the guilds that do not deserve to have a town will lose them prety quick. Its been a rocky start to say the least lol.
LOL, people are already crying about exploiting? You have to be fucking kidding me. Grow a pair and learn how to play the game.
'Sploiting ruins games.
AoC didn't wipe after the gem fiasco did they? I don't think they did.
Telling people to "man up" is a poor argument for condoning exploiting.
I do not condone exploiting and i agree that it can totally ruin a game. What pisses me off is some retard calling people cheaters for knowing what they are doing and having a game plan AHEAD of release.
I think those caught cheating/hacking/exploiting should be suspended and or banned.
In this case we are on the same side then.
I imagine many guilds have had this thing planned down to the last timber before release. Soon as all were in, everyone most likely took off to their assigned tasks. Therefore, an incredibly efficient and cohesive guild could do things in record time.
Bottom line though, is that if there are exploits in game and some are taking advantage, a wipe sooner than later is better.
Originally posted by Karlmahi If you guys have that good of a gameplan tho, you should have no problem with a wipe, and fair competition from other guilds no?
You obviously haven't played this game much. Fair competition is what aventurine calls a siege.
A wipe is what anyone who played mmorpgs for more than two months call an extremely bad solution.
EQ2 is one of the best MMORPGS around VGs world is second to none. AOC had great promise and amazing graphics and sound (never played AO so cant comment)
all of these games share the same commonality, all had a horrific launch, all are great games, but either continued to lose subs, or are tried very hard to make a comeback and are still suffering from their launch.
No, sorry miagisan I don't agree with you on this.
EQ2: had some problems at launch. The game itself had problems compared to what it is today, but the launch somewhat worked out, still with some trouble.
VG: the launch was great. No problems. The game was only 50% finished and buggy as hell, but the launch itself was fine.
AoC: the launch was great. Even better than VG. The game also was only 50% finished, less buggy than VG but still buggy for some people, but the launch was great.
Darkfall: the launch was horrific. As for the game, we don't know yet, but we are hoping for the best.
If you guys have that good of a gameplan tho, you should have no problem with a wipe, and fair competition from other guilds no?
there will never be Fair Competition in this game the guilds that where in beta all ready Know where to where to kill what to do
there for they all ready have an uper hand a wipe would mean nothing
if you want fare then booting and baning ever one that knows how to play the game would be the best option for you
i mean really man its just a game if you dont like how the game play is then Dont play its symple but for the love of what ever helps you sleep at night Stop with this crap about wipeing servers
i bet not a single person on this Fourm knows that there is all ready a map of this game that will show you ever thing you will need to know
Originally posted by Karlmahi If you guys have that good of a gameplan tho, you should have no problem with a wipe, and fair competition from other guilds no?
You obviously haven't played this game much. Fair competition is what aventurine calls a siege.
A wipe is what anyone who played mmorpgs for more than two months call an extremely bad solution.
I've played this game as much as anyone else who wasn't in beta has.
I've played enough MMOs for know the significance one can have on the game, but considering half the players were unable to play the game come launch, and AV did not bring down the servers to resolve the problem, I think not wiping the servers would be far worse thing to occur.
Now, considering you HAVE NOT played this game AT ALL, I suggest you STFU and wait for AV to allow orders to be filled again.
You have no idea what your talking about, so shut your mouth and let the big boys talk.
I dislike this situation but I am not for a wipe. Even if they knew everything beforehand and got the gold in a "cheap" way, they still had/will have to grind for the materials to build the buildings. That can be a lot of time even for organized clans, not really fair to trash it.
Said this, I will use first server to learn the ropes (as they did with beta) and just move to a fresh server when (if ever) another one is avaliable. This is personal a preference but I have never liked to be in a server full of "wall mart" type clans. Crossing fingers here that, when other servers open, will be filled with more spontaneous (made in game) mid-small clans, I like that enviroment better.
The siege system will sort out this town issue fairly quickly.. dont worry about that.
What concerns me goes beyond the speedy land-grab. What concerns me is that guilds who acquired gold at a quicker pace than otherwise, through means unavailable were the game operating as intended, can:
better fund their crafters
better equip their members
more quickly advance their city construction.
I might be overly pessimistic, but I worry that these advantages could be sufficient to prevent the siege system from rectifying the situation; A guild who did not reap so deep an advantage from the unintended gameplay of yesterday might be incapable of defeating a guild who did when they otherwise should be capable of such a feat.
a huge issue with the launch was that alot of the human based guilds were grinding gold when they started dropping randomly and were not able to log back on. As for exploiting, I heard some groups were taking advantage of mobs that wouldnt hit back...but in all honesty, those mobs were fair game for the fastest/strongest either way... and that issue pales in comparison to guilds basically getting shut out of the game due to character bugs. If theres any reason to wipe...character bugs/loss of items etc should be it... I lost 400 gold instantly with one CTD but I still dont think there should be a wipe.
Originally posted by Karlmahi If you guys have that good of a gameplan tho, you should have no problem with a wipe, and fair competition from other guilds no?
You obviously haven't played this game much. Fair competition is what aventurine calls a siege.
A wipe is what anyone who played mmorpgs for more than two months call an extremely bad solution.
I've played this game as much as anyone else who wasn't in beta has.
I've played enough MMOs for know the significance one can have on the game, but considering half the players were unable to play the game come launch, and AV did not bring down the servers to resolve the problem, I think not wiping the servers would be far worse thing to occur.
Now, considering you HAVE NOT played this game AT ALL, I suggest you STFU and wait for AV to allow orders to be filled again.
You have no idea what your talking about, so shut your mouth and let the big boys talk.
lol I was in beta for weeks so who's the one who has no idea what he's talking about here?
Wipe or not... they're going to let people join the server gradually since they can't handle all the players at once.... so with some bad luck you're looking at a couple of days before some people even get a chance to join. By then people will be running around with greater magic skills and full plate...
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If AV has any intention of bringing this game in the right direction, they will realize they need to wipe the server.
Sorry to anyone who worked legit and hard, but it is not fair to have such a large group of people unable to do anything what so ever, while others are able to, and use this ability to aid in exploitation.
Wipe the servers, nuff said.
I guess it depends on what the definition of an exploit is. I wouldn't called that an exploitation, I'd call that bad AI.
Yes the bad programming of the AI makes it open to exploiting the AI.......
wow really need to Define what Exploiting is the game mecanic is set up that you cant Run Thogh ppl there is hit colistion what you explained above is not Exploting its like ever one your group locking you inbetween a Rock and all the players trying to kill you you expt to Run right throgh them and away from the onslut nope i Dont think so bad Ai i can see it should move to another player with in the ranks to attack but all they would have to Do at that point is move back the guy being attacked over and over i see no Exploite here
so please Define exploiting to me Dueping gold is an exploite Runing at Supsonic speed is an Exploite being invisable is an exploite hiding with in a rock or tree is an exploite but not blocking the path of a mob from hiting one person well others are beating on the mob
Please define dictionary or at least use a spell checker. jesus
yes yes i probably should but it would have taken to much time and becuse my spelling is so bad half the Time Spell checkers Dont even work
sorry for having Adhd + Dyslecsia not saying its an excuse but its what i got i live with it just Fine so can you
That would be a fantastic idea, if the actual forums were up, and the devs actually listened to the playerbase.
bottom line there will be no wipe and cheating or no cheating there will always be people ahead of you
"First guild formed and first town claimed. "
If I recall right didn't the sharks claim the first town?
P.S firsts don't mean a gd thing in DF.
Wow, I hadn't even heard of that one...
I was referring to synch issues bugging out mob ai when trained through rivers/lava specific "dungeons" (??) etc.
Corpse tanking. I love that. That is friggin' awesome.
The solution is that you give your account to me so I can play and enjoy the game while you go sit in a corner and wait for mortal online.
There's a difference between exploiting and exploiting.
I'm exploiting the other persons weakness every time I kill them. That doesn't mean I'm exploiting.
'Sploiting ruins games.
AoC didn't wipe after the gem fiasco did they? I don't think they did.
Telling people to "man up" is a poor argument for condoning exploiting.
Well being the first to claim is just a jesture towards the hard work and all nighter pulled by our members online at the time.
LoD planted first followed by the Vindicators 10 minutes later.
LoD4life
www.lordsofdeath.com
http://alerttheclutch.blogspot.com/
Forgot to put my fanboy repelent and tinfoil hat on.
Well being the first to claim is just a jesture towards the hard work and all nighter pulled by our members online at the time.
LoD planted first followed by the Vindicators 10 minutes later.
Last I heard you guys were exploiting with the water bug.
Must have been a tough all nighter /sarcasm off
'Sploiting ruins games.
AoC didn't wipe after the gem fiasco did they? I don't think they did.
Telling people to "man up" is a poor argument for condoning exploiting.
I do not condone exploiting and i agree that it can totally ruin a game. What pisses me off is some retard calling people cheaters for knowing what they are doing and having a game plan AHEAD of release.
I think those caught cheating/hacking/exploiting should be suspended and or banned.
To Kalmahi: You can hear all you want, but did you see us do anything? I seriously doubt it. Its not like these mobs are hard to kill buddy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that they go for the person with low HP. That person can sit there with a shield and block while the rest of the group takes the mob down. Rocket science i tell ya!
Also it is common knowledge that if you are being chased by mobs to head to water. None will run in after you, but they will sit on the shore and fill you full of arrows/spells.
LoD4life
www.lordsofdeath.com
http://alerttheclutch.blogspot.com/
Of course forgive me if you were not using it.
If you guys have that good of a gameplan tho, you should have no problem with a wipe, and fair competition from other guilds no?
Wow, did you really just do what I think you just did?
You basically just said that:
1) "we totally took advantage of the synch issue making it easier than intended to acquire wealth"
2) "since other people had to deal with the same issues (synch) you are guilty of the same crime (despite not exploiting it to the same advantage)"
First of all, it's not the same. Second of all, why then does this not call for a rollback?
LoD will still claim their city super quick... but the playing field will be equal. Your advantage will be legitimate. You don't need the taint over your head any more than the rest of the server needs a non-legit reason to be sore over your awesomeness.
Has my scincere flattery allowed you to see past your massive epeen to the reality of this problem?
If it were whiped we would do just fine. However, at this point i am totally against a whipe even though 90% of our guild still cant get in game. The siege system will sort out this town issue fairly quickly.. dont worry about that.
to poly: I was simply stateing that everyone had to deal with this same issue. Not that we were all using it to our advantage. The server will work itself out and the guilds that do not deserve to have a town will lose them prety quick. Its been a rocky start to say the least lol.
LoD4life
www.lordsofdeath.com
http://alerttheclutch.blogspot.com/
'Sploiting ruins games.
AoC didn't wipe after the gem fiasco did they? I don't think they did.
Telling people to "man up" is a poor argument for condoning exploiting.
I do not condone exploiting and i agree that it can totally ruin a game. What pisses me off is some retard calling people cheaters for knowing what they are doing and having a game plan AHEAD of release.
I think those caught cheating/hacking/exploiting should be suspended and or banned.
In this case we are on the same side then.
I imagine many guilds have had this thing planned down to the last timber before release. Soon as all were in, everyone most likely took off to their assigned tasks. Therefore, an incredibly efficient and cohesive guild could do things in record time.
Bottom line though, is that if there are exploits in game and some are taking advantage, a wipe sooner than later is better.
You obviously haven't played this game much. Fair competition is what aventurine calls a siege.
A wipe is what anyone who played mmorpgs for more than two months call an extremely bad solution.
No, sorry miagisan I don't agree with you on this.
EQ2: had some problems at launch. The game itself had problems compared to what it is today, but the launch somewhat worked out, still with some trouble.
VG: the launch was great. No problems. The game was only 50% finished and buggy as hell, but the launch itself was fine.
AoC: the launch was great. Even better than VG. The game also was only 50% finished, less buggy than VG but still buggy for some people, but the launch was great.
Darkfall: the launch was horrific. As for the game, we don't know yet, but we are hoping for the best.
there will never be Fair Competition in this game the guilds that where in beta all ready Know where to where to kill what to do
there for they all ready have an uper hand a wipe would mean nothing
if you want fare then booting and baning ever one that knows how to play the game would be the best option for you
i mean really man its just a game if you dont like how the game play is then Dont play its symple but for the love of what ever helps you sleep at night Stop with this crap about wipeing servers
i bet not a single person on this Fourm knows that there is all ready a map of this game that will show you ever thing you will need to know
You obviously haven't played this game much. Fair competition is what aventurine calls a siege.
A wipe is what anyone who played mmorpgs for more than two months call an extremely bad solution.
I've played this game as much as anyone else who wasn't in beta has.
I've played enough MMOs for know the significance one can have on the game, but considering half the players were unable to play the game come launch, and AV did not bring down the servers to resolve the problem, I think not wiping the servers would be far worse thing to occur.
Now, considering you HAVE NOT played this game AT ALL, I suggest you STFU and wait for AV to allow orders to be filled again.
You have no idea what your talking about, so shut your mouth and let the big boys talk.
I dislike this situation but I am not for a wipe. Even if they knew everything beforehand and got the gold in a "cheap" way, they still had/will have to grind for the materials to build the buildings. That can be a lot of time even for organized clans, not really fair to trash it.
Said this, I will use first server to learn the ropes (as they did with beta) and just move to a fresh server when (if ever) another one is avaliable. This is personal a preference but I have never liked to be in a server full of "wall mart" type clans. Crossing fingers here that, when other servers open, will be filled with more spontaneous (made in game) mid-small clans, I like that enviroment better.
What concerns me goes beyond the speedy land-grab. What concerns me is that guilds who acquired gold at a quicker pace than otherwise, through means unavailable were the game operating as intended, can:
better fund their crafters
better equip their members
more quickly advance their city construction.
I might be overly pessimistic, but I worry that these advantages could be sufficient to prevent the siege system from rectifying the situation; A guild who did not reap so deep an advantage from the unintended gameplay of yesterday might be incapable of defeating a guild who did when they otherwise should be capable of such a feat.
a huge issue with the launch was that alot of the human based guilds were grinding gold when they started dropping randomly and were not able to log back on. As for exploiting, I heard some groups were taking advantage of mobs that wouldnt hit back...but in all honesty, those mobs were fair game for the fastest/strongest either way... and that issue pales in comparison to guilds basically getting shut out of the game due to character bugs. If theres any reason to wipe...character bugs/loss of items etc should be it... I lost 400 gold instantly with one CTD but I still dont think there should be a wipe.
You obviously haven't played this game much. Fair competition is what aventurine calls a siege.
A wipe is what anyone who played mmorpgs for more than two months call an extremely bad solution.
I've played this game as much as anyone else who wasn't in beta has.
I've played enough MMOs for know the significance one can have on the game, but considering half the players were unable to play the game come launch, and AV did not bring down the servers to resolve the problem, I think not wiping the servers would be far worse thing to occur.
Now, considering you HAVE NOT played this game AT ALL, I suggest you STFU and wait for AV to allow orders to be filled again.
You have no idea what your talking about, so shut your mouth and let the big boys talk.
lol I was in beta for weeks so who's the one who has no idea what he's talking about here?
Wipe or not... they're going to let people join the server gradually since they can't handle all the players at once.... so with some bad luck you're looking at a couple of days before some people even get a chance to join. By then people will be running around with greater magic skills and full plate...