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Stargate Worlds enters the racing world!
Agricola1
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Now I'm thinking this Gary Whiting is completely off the chain now! He's gonna have two race car drivers in SGW, and he's using money he hasn't got to sponsor a racing team when he's having to fire employees at CME because he can't meet the payroll anymore!
So he's got an MMORPG, publishing company, pyramid scheme and racing car team all tied in together. This is either the greatest business move in MMORPG's since someone said "What do you think about making a Warcraft MMORPG?". Or it's one of the final acts of a desperate man, I say he's desperate and will release a half finished turd since he has to rope the racing car drivers into SGW in the hope it'll bring in more saps for his pyramid scheme which is funding it all right now!
Or this isn't happening and I'm on some really powerfull acid!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
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wow that reads really pathetic. They both personally thank GW and they sound like brainwashed investors.
Is MGM even aware he is advertising in the game for a racing team? ( in game likenesses) I wonder if they allowed that.
I really wanted this game to work out and it was at the top of my most wanted list, but now it's more fun to watch it crash and burn and I hope those at the top are busted hardcore. It's too bad the lowbie developers are the ones who will suffer. Hopefully they can/will sue his ass and put him in the poor house for the rest of his life so he can't ruin anything else.
I'm also truly baffled at why no one else( race car drivers, editorial articles) sees the shady crap they are pulling and publicly questions or investigates it. I wonder what those drivers would have to say if they knew their sponsor didn't pay his employees and was involved in tons of court cases.
This story just gets crazier and crazier.
I'll be the first to sign up and play, IF / WHEN they purge the game of all the shady people at the top or sell it to Sony or whatever they need to do to sanitize it. I'm not touching it until then though.
Sorry agricola1 now you need to get your facts right before you say they are paying to sponsor racing cars, go read a statement made on official forums before you spout out false information.
The actual stargate worlds advertising is free sponsorship according to an official statement on their site so until we know the facts I will say what you are saying is incorrect.
Sorry agricola1 now you need to get your facts right before you say they are paying to sponsor racing cars, go read a statement made on official forums before you spout out false information.
The actual stargate worlds advertising is free sponsorship according to an official statement on their site so until we know the facts I will say what you are saying is incorrect.
I'm sorry but what facts do you believe I have wrong? I read the official forum which stated they're not paying to sponsor a racing team, but do you believe that? Since when can companies "sponsor" a racing car team for no financial investment? Since when can you call a racing team "team stargate" for nothing?
I'm sorry Sancher but facts are facts, it isn't possible to get your company logo painted on the side of a racing car for nothing. Unless this racing car team is a charity that helps out floundering businesses, Gary Whiting had to pay money to get his companies names on those racing cars.
If you believe what the CME mouth pieces on the official forums have told you, then why not ask how he got the "sponsorship deal" without paying a dime. I know you aren't a crazy rabid follower that has only blind faith, so tell me how Gary Whiting got free sponsorship of a race car team? By the definition of sponsorship he must've paid something and I doubt they accept MMOGULs platinum memberships over cash!
If you believe they paid nothing for sponorship sancher then please post a link, since by now we both know better than to accuse eachother of being wrong until facts are laid out.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Sorry agricola1 now you need to get your facts right before you say they are paying to sponsor racing cars, go read a statement made on official forums before you spout out false information.
The actual stargate worlds advertising is free sponsorship according to an official statement on their site so until we know the facts I will say what you are saying is incorrect.
I'm sorry but what facts do you believe I have wrong? I read the official forum which stated they're not paying to sponsor a racing team, but do you believe that? Since when can companies "sponsor" a racing car team for no financial investment? Since when can you call a racing team "team stargate" for nothing?
I'm sorry Sancher but facts are facts, it isn't possible to get your company logo painted on the side of a racing car for nothing. Unless this racing car team is a charity that helps out floundering businesses, Gary Whiting had to pay money to get his companies names on those racing cars.
If you believe what the CME mouth pieces on the official forums have told you, then why not ask how he got the "sponsorship deal" without paying a dime. I know you aren't a crazy rabid follower that has only blind faith, so tell me how Gary Whiting got free sponsorship of a race car team? By the definition of sponsorship he must've paid something and I doubt they accept MMOGULs platinum memberships over cash!
If you believe they paid nothing for sponorship sancher then please post a link, since by now we both know better than to accuse eachother of being wrong until facts are laid out.
All I'm saying until you know the full facts then your just the same as me and know nothing of this apart from what was said on sgw forums not hard facts that money was paid. Don't you agree??
Hey anyways I heard that something might be going down soon that may interest you.
Sorry agricola1 now you need to get your facts right before you say they are paying to sponsor racing cars, go read a statement made on official forums before you spout out false information.
The actual stargate worlds advertising is free sponsorship according to an official statement on their site so until we know the facts I will say what you are saying is incorrect.
I'm sorry but what facts do you believe I have wrong? I read the official forum which stated they're not paying to sponsor a racing team, but do you believe that? Since when can companies "sponsor" a racing car team for no financial investment? Since when can you call a racing team "team stargate" for nothing?
I'm sorry Sancher but facts are facts, it isn't possible to get your company logo painted on the side of a racing car for nothing. Unless this racing car team is a charity that helps out floundering businesses, Gary Whiting had to pay money to get his companies names on those racing cars.
If you believe what the CME mouth pieces on the official forums have told you, then why not ask how he got the "sponsorship deal" without paying a dime. I know you aren't a crazy rabid follower that has only blind faith, so tell me how Gary Whiting got free sponsorship of a race car team? By the definition of sponsorship he must've paid something and I doubt they accept MMOGULs platinum memberships over cash!
If you believe they paid nothing for sponorship sancher then please post a link, since by now we both know better than to accuse eachother of being wrong until facts are laid out.
All I'm saying until you know the full facts then your just the same as me and know nothing of this apart from what was said on sgw forums not hard facts that money was paid. Don't you agree??
Hey anyways I heard that something might be going down soon that may interest you.
I understand, but my link isn't from the official SGW forums and it's common sense that you can't sponsor a racing car team and call it "Team Stargate Worlds" for nothing right? I agree there are no hard facts about wether money was paid, but the racing team either did it for free or for financial gain. The facts are that you can't sponsor a racing car team for nothing right? Also by definition the word "sponsorship" means some form of financial deal was made correct? Also racing car teams don't run for nothing right? There are expenses for "Team Stargate Worlds", how are those paid?
Also what do you think about this,
"I am very excited about the scenario of mixing my two passions of racing and acting, as I will be starring as a galactic racer in the upcoming Stargate Worlds game."
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Sorry agricola1 now you need to get your facts right before you say they are paying to sponsor racing cars, go read a statement made on official forums before you spout out false information.
The actual stargate worlds advertising is free sponsorship according to an official statement on their site so until we know the facts I will say what you are saying is incorrect.
I'm sorry but what facts do you believe I have wrong? I read the official forum which stated they're not paying to sponsor a racing team, but do you believe that? Since when can companies "sponsor" a racing car team for no financial investment? Since when can you call a racing team "team stargate" for nothing?
I'm sorry Sancher but facts are facts, it isn't possible to get your company logo painted on the side of a racing car for nothing. Unless this racing car team is a charity that helps out floundering businesses, Gary Whiting had to pay money to get his companies names on those racing cars.
If you believe what the CME mouth pieces on the official forums have told you, then why not ask how he got the "sponsorship deal" without paying a dime. I know you aren't a crazy rabid follower that has only blind faith, so tell me how Gary Whiting got free sponsorship of a race car team? By the definition of sponsorship he must've paid something and I doubt they accept MMOGULs platinum memberships over cash!
If you believe they paid nothing for sponorship sancher then please post a link, since by now we both know better than to accuse eachother of being wrong until facts are laid out.
All I'm saying until you know the full facts then your just the same as me and know nothing of this apart from what was said on sgw forums not hard facts that money was paid. Don't you agree??
Hey anyways I heard that something might be going down soon that may interest you.
I understand, but my link isn't from the official SGW forums and it's common sense that you can't sponsor a racing car team and call it "Team Stargate Worlds" for nothing right? I agree there are no hard facts about wether money was paid, but the racing team either did it for free or for financial gain. The facts are that you can't sponsor a racing car team for nothing right? Also by definition the word "sponsorship" means some form of financial deal was made correct? Also racing car teams don't run for nothing right? There are expenses for "Team Stargate Worlds", how are those paid?
Also what do you think about this,
"I am very excited about the scenario of mixing my two passions of racing and acting, as I will be starring as a galactic racer in the upcoming Stargate Worlds game."
I will do more research on this but can see no monetary sponsorship but see this on another site
The team will be operated by US RaceTronics but will run under the banner of Team Stargate Worlds. The sponsorship is unique in that Muniz and De Silvestro will be featured in the upcoming Stargate Worlds massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG).
Anyways until you or me find hard evidence on it I will give it the benefit of the doubt.
So you're telling me you believe Gary got his company logos painted on the side of two race cars for nothing?
If not you must believe that it is possible Gary got his company logos painted on the side of two race cars for nothing.
What I'm saying is it's common sense that he paid something, as everyone else in the history of racing car driving has. So unless you have evidence to prove otherwise, why would anyone believe in his or her right mind that he got sponsorship for nothing? In fact I can prove my case with this statement alone,
" I am very excited about the scenario of mixing my two passions of racing and acting, as I will be starring as a galactic racer in the upcoming Stargate Worlds game."
There, Gary Whiting has already got both drivers in the SGW game starring as galactic racers. So unless he's doing this also for free out of the goodness of his heart it's part of the sponsorship deal right? Also I don't think many SGW fans will be doing handstands over these two racing about in the game advertising themselves or even the team!
Until you have actual evidence to the contrary I don't see why I'd believe that this "sponsorship" deal was actually a donation to Gary Whiting, do you? A deal was made where finances must've changed hands, and racing car teams don't sell sponsorship for free cans of pepsi or a lifetimes worth of Bigmacs do they? They want money to supoport the team.
To say that sponsorship cost Gary Whiting nothing without a link is something I'd expect from one of the FanOri on the official forums. Sponsoring race cars costs money, FACT. You believe otherwise, prove it but don't tell me it isn't a fact. If sponsoring race cars was free maybe I'll sponsor one and paint "SGW loves MMOGULs" on the side?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I do suggest you stop at least passing off this info as actual fact until you know the actual fact, its commonsence don't you think ??? really nobody knows the situation. Until you show me hard evidence then I'll believe nothing you try and pass off as fact.
I'll suggest do research first before you say any more, thats all I'm saying on this matter. Who knows you could be correct but until you can prove either way then its just words to me that mean nothing at all.
Sponsorship (in this situation) = "One that finances a project or an event carried out by another person or group, especially a business enterprise that pays for radio or television programming in return for advertising time."
Fact
But I guess We'll have to agree to disagree, you believe it's possible to sponsor a racing car team for nothing, and I don't.
/shrug
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
You also believe you have all the absolute facts too but until you do then whats left to believe right??
We both have a dislike for whats going on so I'll say first up I'm in no way supporting them by not believing you, I have my doubts which any normal person would.
Until concrete evidence is shown to me then so be it. As it is I think what else is about to possibly go down is more importance than car sponsorship.
I'll be watching the next few weeks too, and I know you support the game SGW but not the schemes surrounding it. I also want SGW but I don't want the "Social Networks At Play" and MLM/pyramid scheme BS.
As for having all the facts, I feel I have enough to fill in the parts I don't have, to make a decent picture. I won't say I know everything but will present facts I have and present my argument. I have other information but unless it is factual I'll say so. Though we're all entitled to our opinion I just believe you're being a bit to cautious before making a call on it.
As for what may happen soon I hope it'll be to the benefit of those gamers that just want to play SGW without having to deal with any of the other crap that's going on.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Sorry to disapoint but the fact is CME payed nothing to get the sponsorship deal and I have prove and no its not the SGW forums. The prove comes from Kevin Balentine who is senior marking manager of Firesky/stargate worlds who confirmed to me and I quote from the email "We didn’t pay anything out of pocket for this and we’re going to get a ton of exposure". Odds are some won't believe me but thats their problem not mine.
And Tasos said Darkfall was more complete than any other MMORPG had been at launch.
My point is just because some employee at the company is repeating what Gary Whiting tells him to doesn't equal proof.
As to a ton of exposure I don't live in the U.S.A so I wouldn't know about how much exposure this particular contest recieves. Although none of my American friends have ever mentioned it nor am I aware of how many viewers watch these races on television. However if they are giving sonsorship away, or as your source implies are actually paying for people to sponsor them. I don't see how it can be that popular.
Besides what does "out of pocket" mean exactly? This is the same line all employees of CME and Firesky have been told to give and I'm rather curious. Any guesses?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
And Tasos said Darkfall was more complete than any other MMORPG had been at launch.
My point is just because some employee at the company is repeating what Gary Whiting tells him to doesn't equal proof.
As to a ton of exposure I don't live in the U.S.A so I wouldn't know about how much exposure this particular contest recieves. Although none of my American friends have ever mentioned it nor am I aware of how many viewers watch these races on television. However if they are giving sonsorship away, or as your source implies are actually paying for people to sponsor them. I don't see how it can be that popular.
Besides what does "out of pocket" mean exactly? This is the same line all employees of CME and Firesky have been told to give and I'm rather curious. Any guesses?
agricola1 I suggest you look at this on stargate worlds website and read the article
http://community.stargateworlds.com/news/1/1277/
I read it, but don't believe that they only benefit at no cost. Could be true, but I find the likelyhood to be somewhere between slim and none.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
It's expensive to run a racing team, and the sponsorships is how they do it. And to have it called "Team Stargate Worlds" is more than just a single decal on the car...
I would have to guess that Whiting is putting up the money through one of his other corps, like Itzyourmall or maybe even MMOGULS (though maybe not, in order to keep up the deniability that there is no contractual obligation between CME and MMOGULS). Then, it would be true that CME had paid nothing for the sponsorship.
On the racing team's site, there are statements like "I would like to take the opportunity to thank everyone at Cheyenne Mountain and Mr. Gary Whiting for this incredible opportunity" and "In addition to the sponsorship from Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment and FireSky, Team Stargate Worlds is also pleased to continue to have the support of Meguiar’s Car Care Products and Mechanix Wear, both of whom have a long relationship with USRT." That's awfully strong words for a charitable sponsorship. It sounds like Whiting is the primary sponsor of their team.
Anyone notice that the logo on the front spoiler of the car says "Cheyenne Mountain Games" and not "Entertainment"?
well it seems that it's "itzyourmall" that is hosting the website for the team so maybe they shelled out the money too?
http://www.verio.com/whois/whois_results.cfm?fuseaction=whois_results&domain=teamstargateworlds.com
This car simply can not operate without sponsorship money. They have to be getting some kind of money from their sponsors or they can not race. And that is a fact.
Now the question is if it's not coming from GW then who? It cost mega money just to get your name on a small part of a car let alone buying the entire team. And yes if you sponsor the entire car you essentially own the team. You get full say in car paint design and color as well as uniforms semi truck paint etc. Also you get marketing control on the drivers aswell, Comercials and other marketing stragidies.
As far as cost, sponsoring say a entire Nascar, meaning the entire car is yours to advertise, will cost you 15 to 20 million on average. So who is fronting massive amounts of money just so Stargate gets to put there name on a car for free?
Just to use Nascar as a example, here is some info from the Nascar site.
"While owners in the NASCAR garage typically won't divulge the specific dollar figures involved, it's been reported that Nextel Cup teams get between $10 million to $20 million from sponsors for the primary spots on their cars.
Richard Childress, who fields cars in all three of NASCAR's national series, has stated that even beyond primary sponsorship, some associates may put up $500,000 to $1 million for secondary spots on the car."
Roush Racing president Geoff Smith calls his sponsorship packages a "platform of rights.""This isn't just about paying $10 million to put your logo on the hood of a car," said Smith. "You have to realize that this goes beyond just the car -- it includes uniforms, transporters and the rights to use the drivers for company marketing purposes."
And what about the total package? A $15 million-ish deal? "You have bought the car," stated Smith.
Beyond that, the sponsor also would receive the rights to use the driver's image (and time for appearances), and they get to choose the colors for the paint scheme and team uniforms.
Now it may not cost 15 million for the race car in question but you get the idea. I heard some race teams spend a upwards of $2 million a month just to operate. Without a sponsor footing the bill it's impossible to race at a professional level. I could see a small spot on the car having a SGW logo, but to have the entire team decked out in the colors means someone payed big money to do so. There is simply no other way.
What about the race crew? the pit crew? do they work for free too? the wage for these people usually come from the sponsor money as well.
Also who painted the Car and Truck? lol Did they do paint jobs worth10's of thousands for free as well? It just does not add up.
Money exchanged hands no matter what anyone says, the question is who?
Just remember the other two sponsors they have too
Ah, I was unaware of there being more sponsors. I apologize for my ignorance. Who were the other 2?
In addition to the sponsorship from Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment and FireSky, Team Stargate Worlds is also pleased to continue to have the support of Meguiar’s Car Care Products and Mechanix Wear, both of whom have a long relationship with USRT.
taken from another website
I just had a brainwave! Since CME are sponsoring a racing car team for free and it's called "Team Stargate Worlds", things are slowly fitting into place. What these MMOGULs guys have been telling me now makes sense! Free sponsorship, I play for free and have people working for me and makling money like those racing car drivers are for CME!
This just rocks, don't you agree? I can go into a store and get the box for free, log on and start playing at no cost of my own! Then people in the game will start working to make me money after I sponsor them! Advertising MMOGULs for me and signing up players and I recieve the benefits, now I understand the players that have been trying to make me see the light for so long!
So where do I pre-order this game?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
In addition to the sponsorship from Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment and FireSky, Team Stargate Worlds is also pleased to continue to have the support of Meguiar’s Car Care Products and Mechanix Wear, both of whom have a long relationship with USRT.
taken from another website
There's a better page here.
However, looking at the image of the car, I don't see anyone else's decals on it. If they are there, they must be small. Somehow, GW is providing MAJOR sponsorship here.
I think they should focus more on game development and less on racing if you ask me.
Team Dark and Light Racing eh?