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Buggy as ever
Zenren
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I resubscribed to this game and patched again. It took 6 hours. played for 3 hours logged off. Got up this morning, received an error, now it's patching again, only this time it's a different patch that's taking 9 hours. I'm not playing a game that's still buggy over six months after release. Maybe I'll come back in two years when they fix their patcher.
My recomendation, play Warhammer or even WoW... they aren't as frustrating or horribly produced. Funcom, they make SOE look compitent.
If you're reading this, you probably need to get some sun.
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Ah, you are having a problem with the patcher so you are saying the game is "buggy as ever"? What planet are you living on man?
And you are shelving a game because of a patching system? Man...
Furthermore, I had no patch during the past days and still no patch today. So if you are patching again today it probably means that you got some file corruption (they have said with the latest patch notes that this would happen if the patcher detects some corruption).
As for it taking so long to patch, it has always been fast for me. What you are saying sounds like an overwealmed patching server, which looks like many players installing (or reinstalling) the game. Sounds like some good news to me
edit: I guess you have never played EQ2. Every time I have reinstalled that game over the past years I always had between 12-20 hours patching times.
I think situations like this are a product of past experience with this game in particular. Someone quits for a certain reason such as bugs or performance and thye go back to something like the OP described. Now it could just be bad timing but it really doesnt matter becasue you are going in very cautiously.
Its one of the reasons that companies releasing early face. Players come back with a much more critical eye IF you can get them back in the door.
Again I am not saying its a particular problem to AOC but I can see if I patched for hours and had a problem with AOCs performance/bgs and had to go through another period of down time where it might put a very bad taste in my mouth
Though a bit understandable, the OP's way of responding to this is totally ridicilous. He's saying the game is "just as buggy as ever", and then trying to recommend people to go play WoW or Warhammer, when instead he should be asking for what might have caused this and if there is some way to bypass that huge patch re-download. Which I btw. believe there is, only I haven't had that problem before, so someone else might have to answer that. Think there should be a debug tool for the patcher or something like that.
Using this to bypass the patcher works great btw.
It is preferable not to travel with a dead man.
Simple. The user has a system problem, and cannot get his computer to work, then blames Funcom...brilliant.
The reason the patcher does this is due to either quitting the game improperly or you have an issue with your hard drive. Here is the big surprise...it has nothing to do with the game. I have never had this problem, and the game is on 2 other system, with never having experienced this either.
Learn to fix your computer, and this would not happen.
BTW, I have played the other games you mention OP, and that is a big "NO thank you!". Maybe that is why these games work for you, as they are not as hard on weaker computer systems. So, have fun!
The patcher is pretty horrible. Never in my lifetime have I seen a patcher that requires the insane amount of processing power that this one does; often to die halfway through. And if you don't know to restart your pc, it will completely start over from the beginning again.
Is that enough to judge a game by? No, I agree. But it's a poor way to introduce new people to your game.
As far as corruption goes, I got bit by this last night. Now, I've hardly played EQ2 for maybe an hour tops, but I've never known ANY other game in which the files can be corrupted and you have to recheck them PERIOD. That you have to do this "occasionally" in AoC tells me there's something fundamentally wrong with their code.
As I said in previous discussions, I like the game and I have nothing against FC. But that a company can't get its act together regarding its game files and patch server, that's saying something. They'd be mighty wise to address it.
Actually that's a common problem on the AoC boards, some people's launchers restart over and over. It has always been a very finicky updater.
I'm still trying to fix my own game. Reinstalled got most of the lag gone but now I'm having graphical glitches.. lol. Apparently Conan hates 8 series nvidia cards.
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Actually that's a common problem on the AoC boards, some people's launchers restart over and over. It has always been a very finicky updater.
Seems a corrupt intall has also been the issue here. I have had the same install on 3 systems, and have never run into this. But, I do know some have an issue. I am questioning the OP giving up on the game due to his install being corrupt. Just seems silly.
I'm still trying to fix my own game. Reinstalled got most of the lag gone but now I'm having graphical glitches.. lol. Apparently Conan hates 8 series nvidia cards.
Did you by chance update to the new drivers? If so, maybe go back to the previous drivers from Nvidias site. If you did not, then have you updated DX9? This also is an issue with weird artifacts due to not having the latest.
Good luck on fixing your concerns.
Actually that's a common problem on the AoC boards, some people's launchers restart over and over. It has always been a very finicky updater.
I'm still trying to fix my own game. Reinstalled got most of the lag gone but now I'm having graphical glitches.. lol. Apparently Conan hates 8 series nvidia cards.
It apparently isn't a fan of ATI cards either. My 3870 flat out forgets to draw stuff on occasion. Like the lake at the end of the lvl 30 destiny quest. You just float around in the fog til' you happen upon the exit...
Could've been corruption but again I'll state... NO OTHER game I've played, and I've played lots of games many of which are MMO's... corrupts its own game files so that I have to reverify.
Actually that's a common problem on the AoC boards, some people's launchers restart over and over. It has always been a very finicky updater.
I'm still trying to fix my own game. Reinstalled got most of the lag gone but now I'm having graphical glitches.. lol. Apparently Conan hates 8 series nvidia cards.
It apparently isn't a fan of ATI cards either. My 3870 flat out forgets to draw stuff on occasion. Like the lake at the end of the lvl 30 destiny quest. You just float around in the fog til' you happen upon the exit...
Could've been corruption but again I'll state... NO OTHER game I've played, and I've played lots of games many of which are MMO's... corrupts its own game files so that I have to reverify.
game crashing= bad driver/corupted install/patching
aoc ends fixing it.. yours common game will keep crashing.( so which is better in the end ) . i had few.. funny enough reinstall always fix issue..
and never had this problem in aoc.. when i was playing.. ye there been plenty of ppl who had it..
but only 5% ppl living on earth.. at most.. knows how to use a pc..
probably not even that much.. ( considering 80% probably doesnt own one .. )
Actually that's a common problem on the AoC boards, some people's launchers restart over and over. It has always been a very finicky updater.
Seems a corrupt intall has also been the issue here. I have had the same install on 3 systems, and have never run into this. But, I do know some have an issue. I am questioning the OP giving up on the game due to his install being corrupt. Just seems silly.
I'm still trying to fix my own game. Reinstalled got most of the lag gone but now I'm having graphical glitches.. lol. Apparently Conan hates 8 series nvidia cards.
Did you by chance update to the new drivers? If so, maybe go back to the previous drivers from Nvidias site. If you did not, then have you updated DX9? This also is an issue with weird artifacts due to not having the latest.
Good luck on fixing your concerns.
Just played for 5 minutes, I got my graphical issues fixed, my face had disappeared but playing with the anti aliasing settings and a few other things got that settled. But now the latency is back. I'm standing there trying to hit my keys to kill a mob and nothing responds while the mob just beats on me.
Going to visit the official forums again, it's funny because I've never had performance issues before and I was playing back in december. And yes I did upgrade to the latest nvidia drivers, I could try reverting.
I have DX10 on Vista 32 bit...
(,,,)=^__^=(,,,)
game crashing= bad driver/corupted install/patching
aoc ends fixing it.. yours common game will keep crashing.( so which is better in the end ) . i had few.. funny enough reinstall always fix issue..
and never had this problem in aoc.. when i was playing.. ye there been plenty of ppl who had it..
but only 5% ppl living on earth.. at most.. knows how to use a pc..
probably not even that much.. ( considering 80% probably doesnt own one .. )
I don't think the game itself has ever crashed. Got a server disconnect once, and was able to get right back in. But no crashes.
Just periodic, "your files may be corrupted, recommend scanning" messages, which if I ignore them long enough, lead to severe vid corruption and poor texturing. I've never had any other game do that. And I used to play SWG.
I am playing on a 8800GT myself. I have always been using the latest drivers, and never had any issues.
But that doesn't mean they don't exist on the other 8 series or even on some other 8800GT as several manufacturers make them.
During the past years I have used more than a dozen different cards form Nvidia and ATI, and I several times had problems with both. Graphical glitches or distortion in Lineage 2, EQ2, etc.... Every time I was frustrated, and emailed the companies about why they couldn't fix their games properly. Today I know better.
99% of the time graphical anomalies are caused for 3 reasons:
1. this is the most common reason (the 99% within the 99%): your DRIVERS. The game is rarely the cause, the problem is the drivers (if the game developers do something about this they are not fixing the game, they are finding a way to go around the driver problem for your specific card).
ATI are the worst regarding drivers (but Nvidia have their share of problems too). Once with an ATI card none of the ATI drivers would works with a certain game (after trying all of the drivers released within 2 years). I then found some community user corrected drivers that fixed the problem (the Omega drivers).... ATI had some problems with the shader allocation code.... who would have guessed? And this happened only on some cards...
2. your card is overheating (check the ventilator on the card - I had gfx card ventilators die 3 times without me realizing it), and check the PC case cooling to make sure it's properly ventilated).
3. your card is slowly dying. Some parts don't work properly anymore and it first happens with gfx distortion until it gets worse. ( yes this has also happened to me).
I suggest you take these steps:
1. make sure your directx version is up to date by downloading this updater:
www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx
2. and then install the latest nvidia 182.06 drivers, if it still doesn't work properly go back to the 178 drivers (there were some huge changes with major improvements between the 17x and 18x drivers, especially regarding physix support, but also other things). If the 18x drivers don't work the 17x should do it.
To recommend something as horrific as War / WoW is just utterly insulting......just because you have problems with a patcher you decide to post some stupid rant about it? Christ, give over.
I have to say I got the game LOVED it! Then I decided to un-sub because the PvP just wasn't for me, it's just dissapointing. Doesn't make the game bad, it's actually a brilliant game, just not for me at the moment.
I like cookies.
To all of you saying you have NEVER had a game that "corrupted itself" (required full scans):
I NEVER had a bad stick of ram...until I got Vista.
Same *good* ram, new OS, same *good* ram is now *bad* ram. The reason being that Vista addresses different parts of the ram that were never used before by the previous software. I am actually glad it did, now I have new, fully-functional ram.
That being said, it's possible that a new piece of software will do things differently on your machine, and it does not necessarily mean it is an error with the software.
A dyslexic man walked into a bra.
Yes goldenr1, I have also seen this happen with ram.
Another thing that very often results in file corruption is the hard drive.
This happened 2 times to me, with 2 different hard drives: only 1 bad sector is enough to corrupt software (there are tens of thousands of them). If you have 1 (or more) bad sectors and your AoC installation happens to be installed on an area on the HD where this bad sectors reside your files will get corrupted.
And you could have been using your HD for years without noticing any problems, until something gets installed on that bad sectors.
But of course, the ignorant will complain about the game...
The OP has a valid point,
Listen,have you ever seen WoW's patcher? Smooth and fast. I challenge anyone to Download EvE's free trail--It happens fast and accurately-No problems with the masses in neither of those games.
It's no coincidence that so many people happen to have this problem with AoC's client. It reminds me back when the Out Of Memory error would happen....what did the AoC community start screaming, "Your PC is lame, and can't handle AoC's brilliant code." Then people ran out and bought new rigs all over the place. I watched this happen in total disarray.Then still had problems.
Of course FC eventually owned up to it. But only because they had to when people a lot smarter than them started posting on the tech support forums.
That is exactly what this reminds me of. Tonnes of people are having the same issues, then the fans start pointing fingers at peoples hardware and claiming that they personally never had a problem with the client-it's like an instant replay of launch.
the OP is correct, it's completely unacceptable for this amount of time to go by, and the client is still a joke. That's the one thing that should be perfect because it's the first thing a new customer sees. So if FC was capable of fixing it--they would have by now.
What would be interesting to know is.
Did the OP install from DVD's? or
Did the OP install from a Download and from where?
Having a corrupt install to begin with won't help matters. That corrupt install to begin with would either consitute issues with ISP or bad DVD's. Patching will always happen. That is also to do with how fast your internet speed is and what form of traffic shaping your ISP does.
That time line for Patching I am guessing is slow internet speeds and can't really be attributed as a fault of FC.
Nevertheless was interesting to see no issues about the game itself. If was patched up properly and could spend some time there, maybe could see what all the patching was for.
Might be wise to get fully patched before starting to play. It does say this in the manual and what to do and also on the forums and on the main website under support: support.ageofconan.com/category.php
I agree about the Wow and the Eve patchers. The AoC one has always worked just as well for me.
As for the "Out Of Memory" errors, etc... to me it shows what a crap PCs they are selling in the stores. I build my PCs myself, only choosing high quality parts and I never had these problems.
Seriously, the same happened at the Vanguard launch. People were complaining all over, while for a few people like myself Vanguard was running smooth as silk.
The same happened with AoC - smooth as silk.
So yes I agree, "your PCs are lame". It's like purchasing an Indian made Tata and complaining about the problems when a BMW works fine.
I am not saying AoC had no bugs (I am sure many had problems and I can see how Funcom failed to code/test properly for all of the hardware), only that I have never seen them.
Actually that's a common problem on the AoC boards, some people's launchers restart over and over. It has always been a very finicky updater.
I'm still trying to fix my own game. Reinstalled got most of the lag gone but now I'm having graphical glitches.. lol. Apparently Conan hates 8 series nvidia cards.
It apparently isn't a fan of ATI cards either. My 3870 flat out forgets to draw stuff on occasion. Like the lake at the end of the lvl 30 destiny quest. You just float around in the fog til' you happen upon the exit...
Could've been corruption but again I'll state... NO OTHER game I've played, and I've played lots of games many of which are MMO's... corrupts its own game files so that I have to reverify.
but only 5% ppl living on earth.. at most.. knows how to use a pc..
probably not even that much.. ( considering 80% probably doesnt own one .. )
Where did you get these numbers?
Or could it that...maybe... you making it up?
About the op dumping the game because of a bad patcher, i think it's understandable.
He probably didn't like the game very much but was bored and decided to give it a try.
And gave up after wasting many hours on something that shouldn't take 10% of that time.
He shouldn't care , it's not like he's missing much
Also I forgot to add to help the OP.
The client has a verifcation tool to help out to find if you have patched fully:
You can find it in the location on your own hard drive here:
Under simpleconfig.
By clicking this will bring up this screen:
Where you can verify if there are any more patches. And also after clicking the OK button you also have the option to re-visit to compact resources nicely.
GL
I remember that the game's files got corrupted during playing and that after that the patcher had to download the files and replace them. For some the download was in gigabytes. Does this still occur?
I agree about the Wow and the Eve patchers. The AoC one has always worked just as well for me.
As for the "Out Of Memory" errors, etc... to me it shows what a crap PCs they are selling in the stores. I build my PCs myself, only choosing high quality parts and I never had these problems.
Seriously, the same happened at the Vanguard launch. People were complaining all over, while for a few people like myself Vanguard was running smooth as silk.
The same happened with AoC - smooth as silk.
So yes I agree, "your PCs are lame". It's like purchasing an Indian made Tata and complaining about the problems when a BMW works fine.
I am not saying AoC had no bugs (I am sure many had problems and I can see how Funcom failed to code/test properly for all of the hardware), only that I have never seen them.
Funcom admitted it (OOM error) was their problem, the improvements are in their patch notes from last year--it had nothing to do with anyone's pc, it was an internal memory leak.
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
I've never seen any files actually get corrupted, just the warning that they might be. However, that warning leads to the file verification system, and if that gets interupted during verification, the patcher will attempt to download everything that didn't get verified. That can mean gigs. That's when you need to manually run simpleconfig.exe (as mentioned above) and make sure to let it finish. Can take around five minutes or so.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Though a bit understandable, the OP's way of responding to this is totally ridicilous. He's saying the game is "just as buggy as ever", and then trying to recommend people to go play WoW or Warhammer, when instead he should be asking for what might have caused this and if there is some way to bypass that huge patch re-download. Which I btw. believe there is, only I haven't had that problem before, so someone else might have to answer that. Think there should be a debug tool for the patcher or something like that.
Using this to bypass the patcher works great btw.
Just wondering, do WoW and warhammer have a voice work storyline that feels like Oblivion?
I agree about the Wow and the Eve patchers. The AoC one has always worked just as well for me.
As for the "Out Of Memory" errors, etc... to me it shows what a crap PCs they are selling in the stores. I build my PCs myself, only choosing high quality parts and I never had these problems.
Seriously, the same happened at the Vanguard launch. People were complaining all over, while for a few people like myself Vanguard was running smooth as silk.
The same happened with AoC - smooth as silk.
So yes I agree, "your PCs are lame". It's like purchasing an Indian made Tata and complaining about the problems when a BMW works fine.
I am not saying AoC had no bugs (I am sure many had problems and I can see how Funcom failed to code/test properly for all of the hardware), only that I have never seen them.
Funcom admitted it (OOM error) was their problem, the improvements are in their patch notes from last year--it had nothing to do with anyone's pc, it was an internal memory leak.
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
LOL Funcom apologists owned again. I remember other patch notes addressing the memory leaks too, so obviously there was a problem on Funcom's end. Please stop making excuses for crappy coding. At first I didn't have any gray map and OOM errors and had only 1 game crash the first couple weeks. I didn't start getting them until after they started patching the game.