This is one thing that annoys me the most.. The support of an incompetent company that obviously does not know what they are doing.
you have a completely valid point, but then, blizzard royally screwed up with WOW at launch as well.
People are blowing WoW's launch way out of proportion. WoW had a relatively stable launch on most servers. Some of the more populated servers had problems though. Besides the server problems, the client was fully playable and stable. However, what separates Blizzard from this company is that Blizzard was on the bounce and fixed most of the issues in short order, something that you can't say for this game.
stable my ass. servers crashed, there were bugs in numerous spells & abilities, and there were server queues for 6 weeks.
there are interviews on the web where blizzard OPENLY admit they fucked up on the launch of WOW and how much they learned from the experience.
even mythic, the genre's most experienced MMO developer, struggled with WAR with server crashes (they still are), and heavy client instability from both segfaults (crashes to desktop) and memory leaks.
You're, again, blowing it was out of proportion. I've played WAR since closed beta. The client and the servers during beta were much more stable than what Darkfall is now. The difference is that Mythic had hundreds of thousands of testers in both EU and US versions, while Aventurine has less than 10,000 on "release".
WAR has a budget 10x that of DF, and mythic had plenty of prior experience. there were widespread client segfaults (CTDs) prior to release and they were still being fixed in patches 2 months after launch. mythic only recently just fixed the bugs that were crashing entire servers during keep sieges.
Did some players have problems? Sure. Did some experience server disconnects? Absolutely. Was it as bad as Darkfall's launch? No.
of course WAR's launch was better than DF's -- as i CLEARLY said, they were far more experienced and with a much bigger budget. The real point is: if a super experienced MMO developer can have so many problems, then how can you expect a first-timer with unprecendented demand to handle it?
The only thing that compare to Darkfall launch-wise are Anarchy Online and Age of Conan.
DF's release is just the same as WOW -- unprecented & unexpected demand. you're either a baldface liar, you weren't there at release, or you've just forgotten.
accept it, or don't play MMOs at release.
That, unfortunately is a problem. People are so desperate for a new MMO experience that they will continue to pre-order and get burned because they will continue to hype themselves and others about the product.
noone forces anyone to buy MMOs. EVERY MMO will continue to be fraught with problems, just accept it and stop fucking crying about it or just don't fucking buy MMOs at release.
the issue with AoC's release was that it was flat-out fraudulent. at least DF didn't ship without features that were listed on the box.
The rating system on this site is a complete joke, and has been this way since long before Darkfall was around. People vote emotionally over game delays and such without ever even playing the game, kind of like these forums. Despite the rating system, the popularity in traffic is undeniable and unfakable. Darkfall has had considerably more interest lately than any other MMo listed on this site. For a game that supposedly nobody wants to play according to some, it is hard to deny there is a lot of interest in the game.
just like a car wreck, as horrible as it is...sometimes you can't turn your eyes away,
stable my ass. servers crashed, there were bugs in numerous spells & abilities, and there were server queues for 6 weeks.noone forces anyone to buy MMOs. EVERY MMO will continue to be fraught with problems, just accept it and stop fucking crying about it or just don't fucking buy MMOs at release.
Some of the more populated servers crashed. The server I played on was relatively stable. I also don't remember these bugs in numerous spells and abilities. There might have been some bugs around but it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. The only really annoying thing about WoW's launch was the loot lag.
Stop blowing WoW's launch way out of proportion to excuse Aventurine's ineptitude.
there are interviews on the web where blizzard OPENLY admit they fucked up on the launch of WOW and how much they learned from the experience. Blizzard learned from their experience and adapted. Aventurine can't even get their billing straight.
WAR has a budget 10x that of DF, and mythic had plenty of prior experience. there were widespread client segfaults (CTDs) prior to release and they were still being fixed in patches 2 months after launch. mythic only recently just fixed the bugs that were crashing entire servers during keep sieges. of course WAR's launch was better than DF's -- as i CLEARLY said, they were far more experienced and with a much bigger budget. The real point is: if a super experienced MMO developer can have so many problems, then how can you expect a first-timer with unprecendented demand to handle it?
I've played WAR since launch and besides the fact that the game was mediocre at best, it didn't have "so many problems." It had some problems, I'll give you that but none of them were a game breaker. Again, you're attempting to make WAR's launch worse than it actually is by blowing the problems way out of proportion. Reading your comment, someone who has never played WAR will think that the game was completely unplayable due to server and client crashes. However, we both know that it's not true. Same as your WoW comment. DF's release is just the same as WOW -- unprecented & unexpected demand. you're either a baldface liar, you weren't there at release, or you've just forgotten. That's BS. WoW's problems were caused by unexpected demand, which they fixed. DF's problems are caused by horrible customer service, poor web server and Aventurine's inexperience and inability to deal with problems.
the issue with AoC's release was that it was flat-out fraudulent. at least DF didn't ship without features that were listed on the box.
This I can agree with. However, although DF doesn't have a box to list features on, if one were to venture to www.darkfallonline.com and read the features list, your comment would apply just as well here.
It all matters very little. Those with any interest will play it to at least say they tried it, love or hate. Also considering how small the budget was, Darkfall will not fail, or even fall flat on it's face, because there's no way in hell at this point they can't make back investment and likely additional profit.
The real question is, what will they do from here? If they keep working arduously to get the game working as intended, churning out patches and all around taking good care of their game from this point forward, then a rocky release and Tasos' bullshit is ultimately forgivable. On the other hand, if they don't do all of this, then you can form the mob ranks and light your torches justifiably.
...... Also considering how small the budget was, Darkfall will not fail, or even fall flat on it's face, because there's no way in hell at this point they can't make back investment and likely additional profit. .....
Another person with absolutely NO business acumen speaks.
Go take Business 100 level courses and then come back and say something as stupid as this. I assume that you are young or have never taken out a loan and had to live on a budget. No one that has a half a lick of sense could make that remark I highlighted unless they were being sarcastic.
Just a quick fact, they will need to pay back their business loan (some 10mil+) at the rate of over 100K / month if they have a 10 year payback (most business loans are way less then that, like 5 years or less). I hope you can figure it out from there if not oh well not my problem.
It's simple because MMORPG.com allows anyone to rate any game, and of course with the inordinate amount of unreasonable hate towards Darkfall the game is gonna have subpar ratings.
If there were some factor to ensure that the only people who voted were people who played the game for at least 3 days, the ratings for all games on these forums would be much more accurate.
Ofc, that will never happen as there really isn't any way to implement a system like that, but if it DID happen, Darkfall would have a lot higher ratings, I am sure.
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It's simple because MMORPG.com allows anyone to rate any game, and of course with the inordinate amount of unreasonable hate towards Darkfall the game is gonna have subpar ratings. If there were some factor to ensure that the only people who voted were people who played the game for at least 3 days, the ratings for all games on these forums would be much more accurate. Ofc, that will never happen as there really isn't any way to implement a system like that, but if it DID happen, Darkfall would have a lot higher ratings, I am sure.
Lol gotta love how the fanbois use " hate " as an excuse. People don't blindly rate games without some kind of justification. There is no such thing as blind hatred, but only denial that their reason is justified. If the rating for a game is low it means one thing:
Most people agree that the game is not very well done.
Most people agree that the game is not very well done.
Wrong.. way to present facts wrong..
Most people agree it is not perfect but give it some time(it varies ..from 1-2 months till 6 months here) and it will reach near perfection (for that genre)..well most of those who have played..
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Usually when a game releases it is shot to at least number 5 or higher on the MMORPG.com top 10 list. Hell usually it is in the number one spot for at least a few days.
So what happened with Darkfall? It has a user rating of 6.8? Seems a little low for all the hollabolu, as usual the fans say it is the best game to ever have been made but somehow I can't believe every thing is as hunky dorey as they think it is.
Just plain old doesn't look like there is much interest in this game. We know all the fans are giving it 10s and the trolls are giving it 1s but usually the fans win out for a few days anyway.
Owell just saying I can't believe it isn't in the list is all.
Despite that this forum have 120k post and was for years almost most talked mmo without any adds or PR, it is and always will be nich game.
It only have 7k players at the moment maybe in 2 weeks a full server thats 10k then prolly soon comes a second server in 1 month maybe 2 servers 20k thats very very nich.
350k register on offcial forums is not the real number of followers.
This games will maybe reach one day 50k players and maybe in a year 75k but thats about it, its just to hardcore for most plus it only give mostly pvp as gameplay and simple craft system with boring harvesting and simple skill up system.
Its also a empty world with few mobs so pve is very limted, this means it will only attrack hardcore pvp oriented players and thats a very small number Darkfall is a super nich game.
Eve=nich mmo 250k
Darkfall=super nich mmo. max prolly 75k maybe less.
It also saty that low becouse of bad beta and pre-orders plus bad launch and all the promise content/featers they not implemented.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Originally posted by miagisan just like a car wreck, as horrible as it is...sometimes you can't turn your eyes away,
In other words:
a) whatever game you're playing can't be too entertaining
b) you've got nothing better to do with your time than follow a game you supposedly hate
Hmm wonder why this Fanbot is here?
A] Darkfall cant be that entertaining.
B] You have nothing better to do than Defend Darkfall.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
It's simple because MMORPG.com allows anyone to rate any game, and of course with the inordinate amount of unreasonable hate towards Darkfall the game is gonna have subpar ratings. If there were some factor to ensure that the only people who voted were people who played the game for at least 3 days, the ratings for all games on these forums would be much more accurate. Ofc, that will never happen as there really isn't any way to implement a system like that, but if it DID happen, Darkfall would have a lot higher ratings, I am sure.
There is no such thing as blind hatred,
Oh, really?
_______________________________________________ Games looking forward to: Fallen Earth, Mortal Online
The noob formally not known as not being the formally not unkown known APEist; The Stone Cold Killer of Tarq.
I rated Darkfall lower than the average score, and it deserves to be lower. Other than the Gameplay (I like the combat and sandbox of it), everything is horrible about the game. Graphics are 10 years old, and for a brand new game, especially in today's market, that is unexcusable. The sound isn't that great either. Couple those with the lag/performance, and the fact that noone can buy the game anyways, you got a game that should be around a 3.0, maybe 4.0. In a month or 2 I may change my rating if things improve. I'm always updating all the ratings I give games. When new patch that comes out that fixes something I hated about the game, it's score goes up.
Plain and simple, the rating system is an average of the overall community. One person giving a 0 score isn't going to drop it out of contention for the top 10. I know several people that give a big 0 to EVE, LotRO, WAR, and AoC, but they're all in the top ten...
Well most people (myself included) couldn't even get into the game at launch. And now over a week later most people still can't play. I for one won't try to get in until they start launching some new servers and get their account management system up to par. I want to play this game, but the way the launch was handled was half-ass at best. Perhaps once they get the kinks worked out their rating will go up. Time will tell.
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maybe it just goes to show that no one on this site actually cares one way or the other about the game? it only has a few hundred votes. or, is that normal for a site that has over 1 million members?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
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you have a completely valid point, but then, blizzard royally screwed up with WOW at launch as well.
People are blowing WoW's launch way out of proportion. WoW had a relatively stable launch on most servers. Some of the more populated servers had problems though. Besides the server problems, the client was fully playable and stable. However, what separates Blizzard from this company is that Blizzard was on the bounce and fixed most of the issues in short order, something that you can't say for this game.
stable my ass. servers crashed, there were bugs in numerous spells & abilities, and there were server queues for 6 weeks.
there are interviews on the web where blizzard OPENLY admit they fucked up on the launch of WOW and how much they learned from the experience.
even mythic, the genre's most experienced MMO developer, struggled with WAR with server crashes (they still are), and heavy client instability from both segfaults (crashes to desktop) and memory leaks.
You're, again, blowing it was out of proportion. I've played WAR since closed beta. The client and the servers during beta were much more stable than what Darkfall is now. The difference is that Mythic had hundreds of thousands of testers in both EU and US versions, while Aventurine has less than 10,000 on "release".
WAR has a budget 10x that of DF, and mythic had plenty of prior experience. there were widespread client segfaults (CTDs) prior to release and they were still being fixed in patches 2 months after launch. mythic only recently just fixed the bugs that were crashing entire servers during keep sieges.
Did some players have problems? Sure. Did some experience server disconnects? Absolutely. Was it as bad as Darkfall's launch? No.
of course WAR's launch was better than DF's -- as i CLEARLY said, they were far more experienced and with a much bigger budget. The real point is: if a super experienced MMO developer can have so many problems, then how can you expect a first-timer with unprecendented demand to handle it?
The only thing that compare to Darkfall launch-wise are Anarchy Online and Age of Conan.
DF's release is just the same as WOW -- unprecented & unexpected demand. you're either a baldface liar, you weren't there at release, or you've just forgotten.
accept it, or don't play MMOs at release.
That, unfortunately is a problem. People are so desperate for a new MMO experience that they will continue to pre-order and get burned because they will continue to hype themselves and others about the product.
noone forces anyone to buy MMOs. EVERY MMO will continue to be fraught with problems, just accept it and stop fucking crying about it or just don't fucking buy MMOs at release.
the issue with AoC's release was that it was flat-out fraudulent. at least DF didn't ship without features that were listed on the box.
This is one of the stupidest threads I've seen yet.
just like a car wreck, as horrible as it is...sometimes you can't turn your eyes away,
In other words:
a) whatever game you're playing can't be too entertaining
b) you've got nothing better to do with your time than follow a game you supposedly hate
In other words:
a) whatever game you're playing can't be too entertaining
b) you've got nothing better to do with your time than follow a game you supposedly hate
or c) i am at work eating lunch
Because it hasn't really been released?
the issue with AoC's release was that it was flat-out fraudulent. at least DF didn't ship without features that were listed on the box.
This I can agree with. However, although DF doesn't have a box to list features on, if one were to venture to www.darkfallonline.com and read the features list, your comment would apply just as well here.
It all matters very little. Those with any interest will play it to at least say they tried it, love or hate. Also considering how small the budget was, Darkfall will not fail, or even fall flat on it's face, because there's no way in hell at this point they can't make back investment and likely additional profit.
The real question is, what will they do from here? If they keep working arduously to get the game working as intended, churning out patches and all around taking good care of their game from this point forward, then a rocky release and Tasos' bullshit is ultimately forgivable. On the other hand, if they don't do all of this, then you can form the mob ranks and light your torches justifiably.
Another person with absolutely NO business acumen speaks.
Go take Business 100 level courses and then come back and say something as stupid as this. I assume that you are young or have never taken out a loan and had to live on a budget. No one that has a half a lick of sense could make that remark I highlighted unless they were being sarcastic.
Just a quick fact, they will need to pay back their business loan (some 10mil+) at the rate of over 100K / month if they have a 10 year payback (most business loans are way less then that, like 5 years or less). I hope you can figure it out from there if not oh well not my problem.
It's simple because MMORPG.com allows anyone to rate any game, and of course with the inordinate amount of unreasonable hate towards Darkfall the game is gonna have subpar ratings.
If there were some factor to ensure that the only people who voted were people who played the game for at least 3 days, the ratings for all games on these forums would be much more accurate.
Ofc, that will never happen as there really isn't any way to implement a system like that, but if it DID happen, Darkfall would have a lot higher ratings, I am sure.
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Games looking forward to: Fallen Earth, Mortal Online
The noob formally not known as not being the formally not unkown known APEist; The Stone Cold Killer of Tarq.
Lol gotta love how the fanbois use " hate " as an excuse. People don't blindly rate games without some kind of justification. There is no such thing as blind hatred, but only denial that their reason is justified. If the rating for a game is low it means one thing:
Most people agree that the game is not very well done.
Wrong.. way to present facts wrong..
Most people agree it is not perfect but give it some time(it varies ..from 1-2 months till 6 months here) and it will reach near perfection (for that genre)..well most of those who have played..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Despite that this forum have 120k post and was for years almost most talked mmo without any adds or PR, it is and always will be nich game.
It only have 7k players at the moment maybe in 2 weeks a full server thats 10k then prolly soon comes a second server in 1 month maybe 2 servers 20k thats very very nich.
350k register on offcial forums is not the real number of followers.
This games will maybe reach one day 50k players and maybe in a year 75k but thats about it, its just to hardcore for most plus it only give mostly pvp as gameplay and simple craft system with boring harvesting and simple skill up system.
Its also a empty world with few mobs so pve is very limted, this means it will only attrack hardcore pvp oriented players and thats a very small number Darkfall is a super nich game.
Eve=nich mmo 250k
Darkfall=super nich mmo. max prolly 75k maybe less.
It also saty that low becouse of bad beta and pre-orders plus bad launch and all the promise content/featers they not implemented.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
In other words:
a) whatever game you're playing can't be too entertaining
b) you've got nothing better to do with your time than follow a game you supposedly hate
Hmm wonder why this Fanbot is here?
A] Darkfall cant be that entertaining.
B] You have nothing better to do than Defend Darkfall.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
There is no such thing as blind hatred,
Oh, really?
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Games looking forward to: Fallen Earth, Mortal Online
The noob formally not known as not being the formally not unkown known APEist; The Stone Cold Killer of Tarq.
Darkfall isnt really released yet, there is no way for me to buy it right now so this is more or less some sort of closed beta.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
I rated Darkfall lower than the average score, and it deserves to be lower. Other than the Gameplay (I like the combat and sandbox of it), everything is horrible about the game. Graphics are 10 years old, and for a brand new game, especially in today's market, that is unexcusable. The sound isn't that great either. Couple those with the lag/performance, and the fact that noone can buy the game anyways, you got a game that should be around a 3.0, maybe 4.0. In a month or 2 I may change my rating if things improve. I'm always updating all the ratings I give games. When new patch that comes out that fixes something I hated about the game, it's score goes up.
Plain and simple, the rating system is an average of the overall community. One person giving a 0 score isn't going to drop it out of contention for the top 10. I know several people that give a big 0 to EVE, LotRO, WAR, and AoC, but they're all in the top ten...
Darkfall was rated 1 on my hype list for ages.
You fail.
Well most people (myself included) couldn't even get into the game at launch. And now over a week later most people still can't play. I for one won't try to get in until they start launching some new servers and get their account management system up to par. I want to play this game, but the way the launch was handled was half-ass at best. Perhaps once they get the kinks worked out their rating will go up. Time will tell.
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Mean People Suck
maybe it just goes to show that no one on this site actually cares one way or the other about the game? it only has a few hundred votes. or, is that normal for a site that has over 1 million members?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?