Thank goodness you avoided WAR. It was, IMO, the most boring MMORPG I've ever played (and I've played a lot... since UO first began). Usually, for MMORPG's that I don't sub past the first month, it takes me 2 or so weeks before I get bored. This took me just one play period before the boringness set in. Everytime after that I quickly got to the point where I didn't even want to log in to the game. So sad considering I had quite a lot of fun with DAoC during it's days.
It's all about individual preference. Some people like AoC some people like WAR. According to subscription estimates a lot more people like WAR which doesn't surprise me.
WAR is a much better PvP game than AoC. In WAR you can start PvP from level one and the whole game is based around massive PvP.
In AoC you need to go through that painful process of single-player Tortage before you have any change of decent PvP. And even after that PvP is mainly random ganking because of low population and small instanced zones.
For PvP players I would definitely recommend to WAR over AoC.
Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact.
Now, I accept that people have different tastes than me (if we did not, then we would be all robots). However, posting "estimates" and "lower populations" and trying to pass them off as facts rather than your opinion is quite pathetic.
So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof"
Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts?
I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
Thank goodness you avoided WAR. It was, IMO, the most boring MMORPG I've ever played (and I've played a lot... since UO first began). Usually, for MMORPG's that I don't sub past the first month, it takes me 2 or so weeks before I get bored. This took me just one play period before the boringness set in. Everytime after that I quickly got to the point where I didn't even want to log in to the game. So sad considering I had quite a lot of fun with DAoC during it's days.
It's all about individual preference. Some people like AoC some people like WAR. According to subscription estimates a lot more people like WAR which doesn't surprise me.
WAR is a much better PvP game than AoC. In WAR you can start PvP from level one and the whole game is based around massive PvP.
In AoC you need to go through that painful process of single-player Tortage before you have any change of decent PvP. And even after that PvP is mainly random ganking because of low population and small instanced zones.
For PvP players I would definitely recommend to WAR over AoC.
Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact.
Now, I accept that people have different tastes than me (if we did not, then we would be all robots). However, posting "estimates" and "lower populations" and trying to pass them off as facts rather than your opinion is quite pathetic.
So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof"
Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts?
I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
This may or may not be undeniable truth but this article does estimate the AoC population to be below 100K. This was released during the 4th quarter analysis released a few weeks ago. The 100K estimate is in the 4th paragraph. This is where alot of people are getting their population estimates btw. Now of course, the population could have doubled since then , but we'll never know because Funcom doesnt want to tell us.
The most misused word on the internet:
loose
adjective, looser, loosest, adverb, verb loosed, loosing. adjective 1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end. 2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered
The word you are looking for is L-O-S-E. YOu can NOT loose a game.
Thank goodness you avoided WAR. It was, IMO, the most boring MMORPG I've ever played (and I've played a lot... since UO first began). Usually, for MMORPG's that I don't sub past the first month, it takes me 2 or so weeks before I get bored. This took me just one play period before the boringness set in. Everytime after that I quickly got to the point where I didn't even want to log in to the game. So sad considering I had quite a lot of fun with DAoC during it's days.
It's all about individual preference. Some people like AoC some people like WAR. According to subscription estimates a lot more people like WAR which doesn't surprise me.
WAR is a much better PvP game than AoC. In WAR you can start PvP from level one and the whole game is based around massive PvP.
In AoC you need to go through that painful process of single-player Tortage before you have any change of decent PvP. And even after that PvP is mainly random ganking because of low population and small instanced zones.
For PvP players I would definitely recommend to WAR over AoC.
Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact.
Now, I accept that people have different tastes than me (if we did not, then we would be all robots). However, posting "estimates" and "lower populations" and trying to pass them off as facts rather than your opinion is quite pathetic.
So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof"
Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts?
I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
Just my opinion here but maybe after the 1.05 patch the game will probably be at where it should have been at release........maybe being the key word. I will give the game one more try perhaps this fall, depending on some official reviews. I still don't think the game offers much for a PvE player except a grind to 80 then another grind to 80 with a alt along the same path.
That being said, yeah it is due fro a re review. The holes in the quest line are pretty much filled in and the game runs a lot better than it did at release.
Just my opinion here but maybe after the 1.05 patch the game will probably be at where it should have been at release........maybe being the key word. I will give the game one more try perhaps this fall, depending on some official reviews. I still don't think the game offers much for a PvE player except a grind to 80 then another grind to 80 with a alt along the same path. That being said, yeah it is due fro a re review. The holes in the quest line are pretty much filled in and the game runs a lot better than it did at release.
I think this is one of the reason I am sort of taking a break from the MMOs I have active and why I crave a sandbox. WAR was a nice break as I could PvP an alt up throught he ranks but the thought of going through starter areas again, in any game, is mind numbing at best.
I think after the next big patch it would be afair time for a rereview and sadly it will have and should have have a little * beside any review saying that now the game is where it was suppossed to be at launch according to the companies pre-launch press releases. No one demanded perfection but FC didnt give itself time to even hit average MMO quality release status.
But yes I think after the next big patch a rereview is warranted.
Originally posted by courtsdad So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof" Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts? I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I was reading the official forums and a poster is arguing that the sub cost should be lowered due to no motive to play and a present day lack of content: forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
Now if this is the current day game, and that is what I noticed when playing a couple weeks ago, 6 seems about right.
"It's the same thing everyday in this game. Lack of mini's, zerg fests in khesh, balance issues going unchanged for months on end and no real rewards for doing instances or other things but for the same old blue drops no one wants or already has gotten 100 times over.
Sure the added content was cool after the first run but then it sits empty like everything else in the game. Leveling alts has given me and I'm sure many others something to do for almost a year here now but the slots are filled and they to sit with no real motive to play.
Fun factor has went from 100 to practically zero and I find myself just browsing the trader laughing at the outrageous prices players want for certain items. Purple drops are non existent and I spend more money on pots than anything else in the game."
I was reading the official forums and a poster is arguing that the sub cost should be lowered due to no motive to play and a present day lack of content: forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php Now if this is the current day game, and that is what I noticed when playing a couple weeks ago, 6 seems about right. "It's the same thing everyday in this game. Lack of mini's, zerg fests in khesh, balance issues going unchanged for months on end and no real rewards for doing instances or other things but for the same old blue drops no one wants or already has gotten 100 times over. Sure the added content was cool after the first run but then it sits empty like everything else in the game. Leveling alts has given me and I'm sure many others something to do for almost a year here now but the slots are filled and they to sit with no real motive to play. Fun factor has went from 100 to practically zero and I find myself just browsing the trader laughing at the outrageous prices players want for certain items. Purple drops are non existent and I spend more money on pots than anything else in the game."
Every MMO has a play length before boredom sets in. Every gamer reaches a point in their life that they have done the content and move on. I can average between 6-8 months before I am done with an MMO, and want something new.
I am unsure of how long this person has played, but what he is asking is really not feasible. People have NOT done all the content, and they should continue to pay normal price.
Your valuation of a game is based on how you the player approach the game. I can go see two movies for 16 bucks (so 4 hours of entertainment) or pay 15 bucks a month to play between 40-60 hours of a game. The choice is mine. But, if I am done, I will move on. This is what this player needs to do. There is no brand loyalty anymore in this Genre (unless you are WoW...and people still leave anyways, to come back later)
If he is tired of the content, he should leave and wait for new content. Guess what? This happens in all MMO's, and AoC is no different. Believe me, when I have played out the content, I will leave until I see new content worth my time. We cannot help it this person cannot figure out how to do this.
But, this players personal issue does not devalue the game, and this game is much better than a 6 since launch.
I started this game a couple days ago and am having lots of fun! Love the graphics, and the battle system is actually refreshing compared to every other MMO out there right now.
Originally posted by comablak18 www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/funcom-reports-q4-USD23-3m-loss This may or may not be undeniable truth but this article does estimate the AoC population to be below 100K. This was released during the 4th quarter analysis released a few weeks ago. The 100K estimate is in the 4th paragraph. This is where alot of people are getting their population estimates btw. Now of course, the population could have doubled since then , but we'll never know because Funcom doesnt want to tell us.
The guy that gives out these estimates (Fredrik Thoresen) openly admits to using Xfire as his main source. I'm just saying.
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This may or may not be undeniable truth but this article does estimate the AoC population to be below 100K. This was released during the 4th quarter analysis released a few weeks ago. The 100K estimate is in the 4th paragraph. This is where alot of people are getting their population estimates btw. Now of course, the population could have doubled since then , but we'll never know because Funcom doesnt want to tell us.
The guy that gives out these estimates (Fredrik Thoresen) openly admits to using Xfire as his main source. I'm just saying.
That wraps up that matter then.
As for the re-review. It will happen when it happens. I felt the last one didn't do the game justice on many mechanics in AoC because it felt the author barely if at all touched upon all of them. Anyway, he experienced what he experienced and put pen to paper, urmm, fingers to keyboard. But I can respect that.
The game is not all peaches and ice cream, there is plenty of work to be done. But things are pretty much ok now, there is no more bugs than other mmo's. They have been working behind the scenes, beavering away which is why there are far, far more people posting here trying out the game for the first time or even re-visiting that are saying good things more so than bad. The evidence is right here on these boards. What does that tell us? Well everyone is different, just that at this point in time the game is finding these people in an agreeable state for an mmorpg at this point in time.
You know I could always do an unoffficial review. In fact I have previously penned one at home here, but it is bigger than the biggest wall of text (not complete) but shows the ugly side too.
If someone was to officially re-review this game, I'd expect them them to achieve some things in crafting, participate in a siege or two, participate in a raid or two. Cover the new zones etc etc. That would be an agreeable premise for a review for this game in conjunction with everything else that is regular.
The game has beed rated 6.0 by the official forum review. Even if all this haters insist in speaking bad of this game, those of us who play the game know it got alot better since launch, new content, new zones, new raids and dungeons. So now I ask, isnt it time to ask for a re-review?
Nope. Game still stinks. 6.0 is a very good score for this (caugh) game.
This is truly very eloquent. But, could you possibly explain why the game "stinks" and why you still think it deserves a 6?
Originally posted by courtsdad So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof" Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts? I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I must have missed the self serving biased rip you did on someone who artifically inflated current subs. Perhaps you could cut and past it here?
LOL my head is very level. Until I see you going through posts when someone comes here talking about how the population has increased and ripping them for three or four paragraphs....well if it walks like a duck...you know the whole hypocrite thing.
As far as civil I will leave that up to someone else who feels like going through your posts and deciding how civil you've been to those that dont share your opinion.
Originally posted by courtsdad So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof" Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts? I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I must have missed the self serving biased rip you did on someone who artifically inflated current subs. Perhaps you could cut and past it here?
LOL my head is very level. Until I see you going through posts when someone comes here talking about how the population has increased and ripping them for three or four paragraphs....well if it walks like a duck...you know the whole hypocrite thing.
As far as civil I will leave that up to someone else who feels like going through your posts and deciding how civil you've been to those that dont share your opinion.
I see... so I give you a link that has a phrase in it that I actually said what you are asking for, yet you do not actually look at it? Nice. Just shows your true agenda bright and clear. Along with the name-calling and immaturity...
Yup... I'm done with you. I thought you actually wanted to understand. But apparently all you are trying to do is berate me and Funcom/AoC. Pathetic really... you need to let go of the hate.
Anyways, since I'm wasting my time even talking or reading any of your future posts... /block
Edit: Just to show you the phrase I was referring to in the link I gave you (since I'm that type of guy): "In my opinion, until there's solid proof of these or any other future figures, for both sides, those figures are just self-serving biased crap." (bolded, italicized, and underlined just for you courtsdad... now /permablock)
I hope they add more gear, but make it no more relevant than it already is... gear driven grinds = EQ/WoW
I think that is what the post I quoted was getting at, there is zero point to play on in AoC...there is not much content so you have to grind the bosses or reroll, yet the rewards are pointless. There are loads of instances that no one does in AoC because there is no reason to do them..........you may gripe about gear rewards but it adds a reason to do things and it is not like the game is remotly balanced towards PvP, even without gear being factored in.
The big issue is after the expansion, since AoC is not making money the content will be coming much much slower as development cost decrease....it seems Funcom has been betting the game and all of your mains and alts on the expansion.
Sadly, AoC cost a lot of money to run and operate so it seems to be a diffrent scenario from AO, probably do to the high graphics requiring much more memory on the global servers, but who knows......the mergers cost Funcom 3 million dollars.
Only AoC is still making money, and could very well make more money, you simply are asuming it won't.
AO doesn't make much if any money, the company wasn't being sustained by it, yet regular updates with new elements, new (free) content and items continuously keep showing up, the rate was about every 6 weeks a year ago.
Much less costly to do than AoC, but also much smaller population and revenue from it, and with much, much less possibilities of growth too, as it won't have new launches into new markets nor is expected to have a console version.
If FC would be putting all their money in the expansion they wouldn't be investing so much time and money in free patches with new content, they would be pushing it all in the expansion instead. Untill we see what's the reality once the expansion comes out all your post is simply baseless, unless you actually can see the future for their finances and can read FC directors and developers minds.
Edit. and also, of course, all of this and most things brought up into this thread are completely irrelevant to the topic, it basically should be if the changes in the game are enough as to get it re reviewed, to which most, if not all of the ones actually playing the game tend to agree it does, if you think the game was the worst sin in history of mankind or the key to all happiness at launch or if you think it will become the one to save us all, or simply that it will cause the ultimate demise of civilization in the future means nothing in light of the topic, it refers of it's state right now.
Originally posted by courtsdad So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof" Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts? I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I must have missed the self serving biased rip you did on someone who artifically inflated current subs. Perhaps you could cut and past it here?
LOL my head is very level. Until I see you going through posts when someone comes here talking about how the population has increased and ripping them for three or four paragraphs....well if it walks like a duck...you know the whole hypocrite thing.
As far as civil I will leave that up to someone else who feels like going through your posts and deciding how civil you've been to those that dont share your opinion.
I see... so I give you a link that has a phrase in it that I actually said what you are asking for, yet you do not actually look at it? Nice. Just shows your true agenda bright and clear. Along with the name-calling and immaturity...
Yup... I'm done with you. I thought you actually wanted to understand. But apparently all you are trying to do is berate me and Funcom/AoC. Pathetic really... you need to let go of the hate.
Anyways, since I'm wasting my time even talking or reading any of your future posts... /block
Edit: Just to show you the phrase I was referring to in the link I gave you (since I'm that type of guy): "In my opinion, until there's solid proof of these or any other future figures, for both sides, those figures are just self-serving biased crap." (bolded, italicized, and underlined just for you courtsdad... now /permablock)
No I went to the link but I would like to show me exactly where you spent three paragraphs lecturing someone about numbers as you do if they dont like the game. I wasnt sure if I missed it or you posted it under a different account. Also the link took me to the last page so I had to go through 4 pages of posts and really couldn't locate your rant againat people that like the game but using numbers that they had no "proof" of.
Oh and its not hate. I give the game and FC credit where and when it deserves it. Franky I was just tired of you being completely anal about your standards for someone saying that there was a massive loss of players and yet theres one little sentence where you mention both sides.
But once again I missed all of your rants when someone mentions rising numbers with no "proof". By your standards everything has to be scientifically mapped out using 15 different equations with verifications signed in blood. But guess what, thats not going to happen in this business.Christ, Tesla used less information than you require to do amazing things.
What it boils down to is as much as you might think that you are being equal, you arent. I gave numbers slanted toward AOC and still come up with a percentage close to what you would chew someone out for using ( as long as they dislike AOC of course) and yet you spout off about "proof"
Just once tell me what percentage of 1 million ( deflated number) 200k ( inflated) is.
Or just let the people that normally do them do them, you know, the same that gave the game a 6.0 back then, and consider it's fair to re-evaluate it now, be it for better or worse.
Or just let the people that normally do them do them, you know, the same that gave the game a 6.0 back then, and consider it's fair to re-evaluate it now, be it for better or worse.
And that guy got flamed so badly by the die hard fans here, you'd think he was Salman Rushdie and they were Islamic Fundamentalist. Jon Wood had to step in and tell them STFU. It was super ugly, dunno why the fans are so desperate for outside vindication, if they are enjoying the game so much why are they here constantly posting how great everything is in hopes of convincing others? Any decent game would leave me little time to be hanging out in any forums let alone 3rd party ones, fun games have a tendency to take up your free time.
Any decent game would leave me little time to be hanging out in any forums let alone 3rd party ones, fun games have a tendency to take up your free time.
This leaves me to assume you have no game at this time then. So, why come here?
I hang out here during work or downtime (say, like right now waiting for supper to finish so I can eat, then get back to playing) to discuss the game. Others hang out here to find any positive thread to trash the game. The players have nothing to do but defend the game because we cannot have one decent post to actually...you know...talk about the game.
Example: One post discusses the upcoming movie and how it would generate interest. Someone actually stopped in to say the movie would suck, and if Funcom worked on the movie it would suck more. How does this constitute a decent discussion of the movie or the game?
Again, I have said...I have no issue if the game is being discussed in a rational manner. But, personal attacks have become the norm here...for everyone. Defending or attacking does not matter.
So, as I said. If your comment is fun games have a tendency to take up your free time, can YOU not possibly find one to go play or talk about on your free time? This way, we can, on our free time, discuss this game?
He got flamed, so no more reviews should ever been done.....
I don't understand why you don't want them to re-evaluate the game, after a lot of changes and additions to it, and give their opinion on it's stare and a rating.
What's the problem, them getting flamed? i very much doubt it, so i don't understand your point, or the whole point of being against a re-evaluation, do people fear it would get a better rate? people fear it would get a worse one?
only people so far that has expressed a dislike of the idea of a new review are those that campaing agaisnt the game or simply dislike it enough as to be very vocal against it, but to them, again, it's not the fans who are going to review it, it's the same people that reviewed it before all the changes that make the game into it's current state and rated it 6.0, that should thell us that they would rate it the way they think it should be rated, again. If it's better this time it means they think it deserves a better review, if it's worse, they think it is worse, simple, but just campaigning against a new review is silly, specially when it's not unheard of, it has been done before and the community has shown interest in this.
Supporters of the game could receive a non so pleasant surprise, yet they still aprove of a new review, what's so bad about the idea for you and other detractors?
I like the post that says a review should be done out-of-the box and apparently never again. Permanently rating an mmo out -of- the- box is like judging a frozen pizza out-of -the-box....they both still need some time to cook..so-to-speak . The difference being that frozen pizzas always suck..no matter how long you cook them and mmo's usually just get better. IMO.
He got flamed, so no more reviews should ever been done.....
I don't understand why you don't want them to re-evaluate the game, after a lot of changes and additions to it, and give their opinion on it's stare and a rating.
What's the problem, them getting flamed? i very much doubt it, so i don't understand your point, or the whole point of being against a re-evaluation, do people fear it would get a better rate? people fear it would get a worse one?
only people so far that has expressed a dislike of the idea of a new review are those that campaing agaisnt the game or simply dislike it enough as to be very vocal against it, but to them, again, it's not the fans who are going to review it, it's the same people that reviewed it before all the changes that make the game into it's current state and rated it 6.0, that should thell us that they would rate it the way they think it should be rated, again. If it's better this time it means they think it deserves a better review, if it's worse, they think it is worse, simple, but just campaigning against a new review is silly, specially when it's not unheard of, it has been done before and the community has shown interest in this.
Supporters of the game could receive a non so pleasant surprise, yet they still aprove of a new review, what's so bad about the idea for you and other detractors?
Personally I could care less if the game got re-reviewed, it's not as if I were going to buy it.
I mentioned the fact about the last review getting sh!t by super fans, to bring up the point that they become disproportionately hostile to people critical of the game. And if they got the second look from the last reviewer, and he still wasn't gushing over 'the major improvements' they would sh!t on him and do their best to try to discredit him as they did the last time.
They really don't want to hear any point of view that doesn't mirror their own. in fact they won't even tollerate it being expressed.
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The community name calling / labelling in the review didn't help matters. Some things were painfully obvious that either weren't touched on or just manual read for description.
No Sieging, No Crafting, No raiding done. (if they were they weren't made very clear imo)
We need someone to actually review the whole game and not part of it. EG tortage or 2 weeks worth. To stick it out for a bit and actually see what it is like.
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Thank goodness you avoided WAR. It was, IMO, the most boring MMORPG I've ever played (and I've played a lot... since UO first began). Usually, for MMORPG's that I don't sub past the first month, it takes me 2 or so weeks before I get bored. This took me just one play period before the boringness set in. Everytime after that I quickly got to the point where I didn't even want to log in to the game. So sad considering I had quite a lot of fun with DAoC during it's days.
It's all about individual preference. Some people like AoC some people like WAR. According to subscription estimates a lot more people like WAR which doesn't surprise me.
WAR is a much better PvP game than AoC. In WAR you can start PvP from level one and the whole game is based around massive PvP.
In AoC you need to go through that painful process of single-player Tortage before you have any change of decent PvP. And even after that PvP is mainly random ganking because of low population and small instanced zones.
For PvP players I would definitely recommend to WAR over AoC.
Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact.
Now, I accept that people have different tastes than me (if we did not, then we would be all robots). However, posting "estimates" and "lower populations" and trying to pass them off as facts rather than your opinion is quite pathetic.
So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof"
Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts?
I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
Thank goodness you avoided WAR. It was, IMO, the most boring MMORPG I've ever played (and I've played a lot... since UO first began). Usually, for MMORPG's that I don't sub past the first month, it takes me 2 or so weeks before I get bored. This took me just one play period before the boringness set in. Everytime after that I quickly got to the point where I didn't even want to log in to the game. So sad considering I had quite a lot of fun with DAoC during it's days.
It's all about individual preference. Some people like AoC some people like WAR. According to subscription estimates a lot more people like WAR which doesn't surprise me.
WAR is a much better PvP game than AoC. In WAR you can start PvP from level one and the whole game is based around massive PvP.
In AoC you need to go through that painful process of single-player Tortage before you have any change of decent PvP. And even after that PvP is mainly random ganking because of low population and small instanced zones.
For PvP players I would definitely recommend to WAR over AoC.
Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact.
Now, I accept that people have different tastes than me (if we did not, then we would be all robots). However, posting "estimates" and "lower populations" and trying to pass them off as facts rather than your opinion is quite pathetic.
So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof"
Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts?
I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/funcom-reports-q4-USD23-3m-loss
This may or may not be undeniable truth but this article does estimate the AoC population to be below 100K. This was released during the 4th quarter analysis released a few weeks ago. The 100K estimate is in the 4th paragraph. This is where alot of people are getting their population estimates btw. Now of course, the population could have doubled since then , but we'll never know because Funcom doesnt want to tell us.
The most misused word on the internet:
loose
adjective, looser, loosest, adverb, verb loosed, loosing.
adjective
1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end.
2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered
The word you are looking for is L-O-S-E. YOu can NOT loose a game.
Thank goodness you avoided WAR. It was, IMO, the most boring MMORPG I've ever played (and I've played a lot... since UO first began). Usually, for MMORPG's that I don't sub past the first month, it takes me 2 or so weeks before I get bored. This took me just one play period before the boringness set in. Everytime after that I quickly got to the point where I didn't even want to log in to the game. So sad considering I had quite a lot of fun with DAoC during it's days.
It's all about individual preference. Some people like AoC some people like WAR. According to subscription estimates a lot more people like WAR which doesn't surprise me.
WAR is a much better PvP game than AoC. In WAR you can start PvP from level one and the whole game is based around massive PvP.
In AoC you need to go through that painful process of single-player Tortage before you have any change of decent PvP. And even after that PvP is mainly random ganking because of low population and small instanced zones.
For PvP players I would definitely recommend to WAR over AoC.
Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact.
Now, I accept that people have different tastes than me (if we did not, then we would be all robots). However, posting "estimates" and "lower populations" and trying to pass them off as facts rather than your opinion is quite pathetic.
So since you refuse to accept any numbers or even a range of numbers I expect you to be here to correct everyone who plays the game and announces how much the population has increased since there is no "proof"
Or do your standards just apply to those "lower population" posts?
I hav ebeen more than generous with the commonly accepted numbers and even padded tghem in AOC's favor and yet you still cling to your hypocritical standards. One more time...boxes sold-active players. FC said 800k months ago so it should be over 1 million and Ill spot you 200k players which is higher than even fanboy estimates. We will all be waiting to see if you break out the calculator or if you just sit on your hypocritical high horse
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
Just my opinion here but maybe after the 1.05 patch the game will probably be at where it should have been at release........maybe being the key word. I will give the game one more try perhaps this fall, depending on some official reviews. I still don't think the game offers much for a PvE player except a grind to 80 then another grind to 80 with a alt along the same path.
That being said, yeah it is due fro a re review. The holes in the quest line are pretty much filled in and the game runs a lot better than it did at release.
I miss DAoC
I think this is one of the reason I am sort of taking a break from the MMOs I have active and why I crave a sandbox. WAR was a nice break as I could PvP an alt up throught he ranks but the thought of going through starter areas again, in any game, is mind numbing at best.
I think after the next big patch it would be afair time for a rereview and sadly it will have and should have have a little * beside any review saying that now the game is where it was suppossed to be at launch according to the companies pre-launch press releases. No one demanded perfection but FC didnt give itself time to even hit average MMO quality release status.
But yes I think after the next big patch a rereview is warranted.
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Just to help you along as you apparently did not see it (or ignored it... which is apparent since you replied to it) the first time around: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2701649#2701649
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I was reading the official forums and a poster is arguing that the sub cost should be lowered due to no motive to play and a present day lack of content: forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
Now if this is the current day game, and that is what I noticed when playing a couple weeks ago, 6 seems about right.
"It's the same thing everyday in this game. Lack of mini's, zerg fests in khesh, balance issues going unchanged for months on end and no real rewards for doing instances or other things but for the same old blue drops no one wants or already has gotten 100 times over.
Sure the added content was cool after the first run but then it sits empty like everything else in the game. Leveling alts has given me and I'm sure many others something to do for almost a year here now but the slots are filled and they to sit with no real motive to play.
Fun factor has went from 100 to practically zero and I find myself just browsing the trader laughing at the outrageous prices players want for certain items. Purple drops are non existent and I spend more money on pots than anything else in the game."
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
Every MMO has a play length before boredom sets in. Every gamer reaches a point in their life that they have done the content and move on. I can average between 6-8 months before I am done with an MMO, and want something new.
I am unsure of how long this person has played, but what he is asking is really not feasible. People have NOT done all the content, and they should continue to pay normal price.
Your valuation of a game is based on how you the player approach the game. I can go see two movies for 16 bucks (so 4 hours of entertainment) or pay 15 bucks a month to play between 40-60 hours of a game. The choice is mine. But, if I am done, I will move on. This is what this player needs to do. There is no brand loyalty anymore in this Genre (unless you are WoW...and people still leave anyways, to come back later)
If he is tired of the content, he should leave and wait for new content. Guess what? This happens in all MMO's, and AoC is no different. Believe me, when I have played out the content, I will leave until I see new content worth my time. We cannot help it this person cannot figure out how to do this.
But, this players personal issue does not devalue the game, and this game is much better than a 6 since launch.
Re-Review would note that.
I started this game a couple days ago and am having lots of fun! Love the graphics, and the battle system is actually refreshing compared to every other MMO out there right now.
Whatever, mmorpg.com reviews have gone down the drain some time ago. I dunno what happenned but it seems they dropped the ball.
Reviews on this website should be renamed to:
-Player review
-Fan review
-Technical review
-Editor review
TBH I see way more Player and Fan reviews in here than anything else. Who in their right mind purchse a game based on mmorpg reviews? LOL
The guy that gives out these estimates (Fredrik Thoresen) openly admits to using Xfire as his main source. I'm just saying.
It is preferable not to travel with a dead man.
The guy that gives out these estimates (Fredrik Thoresen) openly admits to using Xfire as his main source. I'm just saying.
That wraps up that matter then.
As for the re-review. It will happen when it happens. I felt the last one didn't do the game justice on many mechanics in AoC because it felt the author barely if at all touched upon all of them. Anyway, he experienced what he experienced and put pen to paper, urmm, fingers to keyboard. But I can respect that.
The game is not all peaches and ice cream, there is plenty of work to be done. But things are pretty much ok now, there is no more bugs than other mmo's. They have been working behind the scenes, beavering away which is why there are far, far more people posting here trying out the game for the first time or even re-visiting that are saying good things more so than bad. The evidence is right here on these boards. What does that tell us? Well everyone is different, just that at this point in time the game is finding these people in an agreeable state for an mmorpg at this point in time.
You know I could always do an unoffficial review. In fact I have previously penned one at home here, but it is bigger than the biggest wall of text (not complete) but shows the ugly side too.
If someone was to officially re-review this game, I'd expect them them to achieve some things in crafting, participate in a siege or two, participate in a raid or two. Cover the new zones etc etc. That would be an agreeable premise for a review for this game in conjunction with everything else that is regular.
Nope. Game still stinks. 6.0 is a very good score for this (caugh) game.
This is truly very eloquent. But, could you possibly explain why the game "stinks" and why you still think it deserves a 6?
Thanks
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Just to help you along as you apparently did not see it (or ignored it... which is apparent since you replied to it) the first time around: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2701649#2701649
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I must have missed the self serving biased rip you did on someone who artifically inflated current subs. Perhaps you could cut and past it here?
LOL my head is very level. Until I see you going through posts when someone comes here talking about how the population has increased and ripping them for three or four paragraphs....well if it walks like a duck...you know the whole hypocrite thing.
As far as civil I will leave that up to someone else who feels like going through your posts and deciding how civil you've been to those that dont share your opinion.
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Just to help you along as you apparently did not see it (or ignored it... which is apparent since you replied to it) the first time around: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2701649#2701649
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I must have missed the self serving biased rip you did on someone who artifically inflated current subs. Perhaps you could cut and past it here?
LOL my head is very level. Until I see you going through posts when someone comes here talking about how the population has increased and ripping them for three or four paragraphs....well if it walks like a duck...you know the whole hypocrite thing.
As far as civil I will leave that up to someone else who feels like going through your posts and deciding how civil you've been to those that dont share your opinion.
I see... so I give you a link that has a phrase in it that I actually said what you are asking for, yet you do not actually look at it? Nice. Just shows your true agenda bright and clear. Along with the name-calling and immaturity...
Yup... I'm done with you. I thought you actually wanted to understand. But apparently all you are trying to do is berate me and Funcom/AoC. Pathetic really... you need to let go of the hate.
Anyways, since I'm wasting my time even talking or reading any of your future posts... /block
Edit: Just to show you the phrase I was referring to in the link I gave you (since I'm that type of guy): "In my opinion, until there's solid proof of these or any other future figures, for both sides, those figures are just self-serving biased crap." (bolded, italicized, and underlined just for you courtsdad... now /permablock)
I think that is what the post I quoted was getting at, there is zero point to play on in AoC...there is not much content so you have to grind the bosses or reroll, yet the rewards are pointless. There are loads of instances that no one does in AoC because there is no reason to do them..........you may gripe about gear rewards but it adds a reason to do things and it is not like the game is remotly balanced towards PvP, even without gear being factored in.
The big issue is after the expansion, since AoC is not making money the content will be coming much much slower as development cost decrease....it seems Funcom has been betting the game and all of your mains and alts on the expansion.
Sadly, AoC cost a lot of money to run and operate so it seems to be a diffrent scenario from AO, probably do to the high graphics requiring much more memory on the global servers, but who knows......the mergers cost Funcom 3 million dollars.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
Only AoC is still making money, and could very well make more money, you simply are asuming it won't.
AO doesn't make much if any money, the company wasn't being sustained by it, yet regular updates with new elements, new (free) content and items continuously keep showing up, the rate was about every 6 weeks a year ago.
Much less costly to do than AoC, but also much smaller population and revenue from it, and with much, much less possibilities of growth too, as it won't have new launches into new markets nor is expected to have a console version.
If FC would be putting all their money in the expansion they wouldn't be investing so much time and money in free patches with new content, they would be pushing it all in the expansion instead. Untill we see what's the reality once the expansion comes out all your post is simply baseless, unless you actually can see the future for their finances and can read FC directors and developers minds.
Edit. and also, of course, all of this and most things brought up into this thread are completely irrelevant to the topic, it basically should be if the changes in the game are enough as to get it re reviewed, to which most, if not all of the ones actually playing the game tend to agree it does, if you think the game was the worst sin in history of mankind or the key to all happiness at launch or if you think it will become the one to save us all, or simply that it will cause the ultimate demise of civilization in the future means nothing in light of the topic, it refers of it's state right now.
Hmm... I think I'll maintain the high road with this discussion, unlike you who are calling people names. I am done explaining my position to you on the supposed validity of these figures, as I have explained it more than enough. Until you provide me solid unquestionable proof, I will consider those figures as nothing more than self-serving biased crap.
So in other words "proof" just applies to lower population posts. Just wanted you to go ahead and say it. Thank you.
Oh and where did I call anyone a name? Becasue if you are referring to the word"hypocrite" then it applies. Nothing personal but if you spout off about "proof" and the lack of validity in estimates but you don't go after people who say the numbers are growing with no proof as well as thos ethat say the opposite then that does by definition make you one by your own standards that you have listed over and over.
Your own words "Estimates are not solid proof. You keep speaking of "low population" yet you provide absolutely no proof on it. Until you provide sold, irrefutable proof on these "estimates" and "low population" then its not fact."
But somehow the opposite is not true as far as standards. Interesting.
I'm sorry, but I do not go through and reply to every post on these forums. I have more important stuff to do with my time besides that... like a job, life, and playing games when I can. Therefore, I don't get around to all threads. However, the people who are posting "increases" have to show me irrefutable proof as well or I'll also label those estimates as self-serving biased crap as well. If you had carefully read one of my previous posts on another thread, you would've seen that I said just that.
Just to help you along as you apparently did not see it (or ignored it... which is apparent since you replied to it) the first time around: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2701649#2701649
Now, I have kept a level head in all this. You apparently have not. Calling someone a "hypocrite" despite it being "valid" (In your opinion) or not, is still flaming. I have remained civil, you have not... it is as simple as that.
Again, I have stated my stance on these "figures", and you have chosen to either ignore it or failed to understand it.
I must have missed the self serving biased rip you did on someone who artifically inflated current subs. Perhaps you could cut and past it here?
LOL my head is very level. Until I see you going through posts when someone comes here talking about how the population has increased and ripping them for three or four paragraphs....well if it walks like a duck...you know the whole hypocrite thing.
As far as civil I will leave that up to someone else who feels like going through your posts and deciding how civil you've been to those that dont share your opinion.
I see... so I give you a link that has a phrase in it that I actually said what you are asking for, yet you do not actually look at it? Nice. Just shows your true agenda bright and clear. Along with the name-calling and immaturity...
Yup... I'm done with you. I thought you actually wanted to understand. But apparently all you are trying to do is berate me and Funcom/AoC. Pathetic really... you need to let go of the hate.
Anyways, since I'm wasting my time even talking or reading any of your future posts... /block
Edit: Just to show you the phrase I was referring to in the link I gave you (since I'm that type of guy): "In my opinion, until there's solid proof of these or any other future figures, for both sides, those figures are just self-serving biased crap." (bolded, italicized, and underlined just for you courtsdad... now /permablock)
No I went to the link but I would like to show me exactly where you spent three paragraphs lecturing someone about numbers as you do if they dont like the game. I wasnt sure if I missed it or you posted it under a different account. Also the link took me to the last page so I had to go through 4 pages of posts and really couldn't locate your rant againat people that like the game but using numbers that they had no "proof" of.
Oh and its not hate. I give the game and FC credit where and when it deserves it. Franky I was just tired of you being completely anal about your standards for someone saying that there was a massive loss of players and yet theres one little sentence where you mention both sides.
But once again I missed all of your rants when someone mentions rising numbers with no "proof". By your standards everything has to be scientifically mapped out using 15 different equations with verifications signed in blood. But guess what, thats not going to happen in this business.Christ, Tesla used less information than you require to do amazing things.
What it boils down to is as much as you might think that you are being equal, you arent. I gave numbers slanted toward AOC and still come up with a percentage close to what you would chew someone out for using ( as long as they dislike AOC of course) and yet you spout off about "proof"
Just once tell me what percentage of 1 million ( deflated number) 200k ( inflated) is.
Or just let the people that normally do them do them, you know, the same that gave the game a 6.0 back then, and consider it's fair to re-evaluate it now, be it for better or worse.
And that guy got flamed so badly by the die hard fans here, you'd think he was Salman Rushdie and they were Islamic Fundamentalist. Jon Wood had to step in and tell them STFU. It was super ugly, dunno why the fans are so desperate for outside vindication, if they are enjoying the game so much why are they here constantly posting how great everything is in hopes of convincing others? Any decent game would leave me little time to be hanging out in any forums let alone 3rd party ones, fun games have a tendency to take up your free time.
This leaves me to assume you have no game at this time then. So, why come here?
I hang out here during work or downtime (say, like right now waiting for supper to finish so I can eat, then get back to playing) to discuss the game. Others hang out here to find any positive thread to trash the game. The players have nothing to do but defend the game because we cannot have one decent post to actually...you know...talk about the game.
Example: One post discusses the upcoming movie and how it would generate interest. Someone actually stopped in to say the movie would suck, and if Funcom worked on the movie it would suck more. How does this constitute a decent discussion of the movie or the game?
Again, I have said...I have no issue if the game is being discussed in a rational manner. But, personal attacks have become the norm here...for everyone. Defending or attacking does not matter.
So, as I said. If your comment is fun games have a tendency to take up your free time, can YOU not possibly find one to go play or talk about on your free time? This way, we can, on our free time, discuss this game?
Thanks much!
He got flamed, so no more reviews should ever been done.....
I don't understand why you don't want them to re-evaluate the game, after a lot of changes and additions to it, and give their opinion on it's stare and a rating.
What's the problem, them getting flamed? i very much doubt it, so i don't understand your point, or the whole point of being against a re-evaluation, do people fear it would get a better rate? people fear it would get a worse one?
only people so far that has expressed a dislike of the idea of a new review are those that campaing agaisnt the game or simply dislike it enough as to be very vocal against it, but to them, again, it's not the fans who are going to review it, it's the same people that reviewed it before all the changes that make the game into it's current state and rated it 6.0, that should thell us that they would rate it the way they think it should be rated, again. If it's better this time it means they think it deserves a better review, if it's worse, they think it is worse, simple, but just campaigning against a new review is silly, specially when it's not unheard of, it has been done before and the community has shown interest in this.
Supporters of the game could receive a non so pleasant surprise, yet they still aprove of a new review, what's so bad about the idea for you and other detractors?
I like the post that says a review should be done out-of-the box and apparently never again. Permanently rating an mmo out -of- the- box is like judging a frozen pizza out-of -the-box....they both still need some time to cook..so-to-speak . The difference being that frozen pizzas always suck..no matter how long you cook them and mmo's usually just get better. IMO.
Personally I could care less if the game got re-reviewed, it's not as if I were going to buy it.
I mentioned the fact about the last review getting sh!t by super fans, to bring up the point that they become disproportionately hostile to people critical of the game. And if they got the second look from the last reviewer, and he still wasn't gushing over 'the major improvements' they would sh!t on him and do their best to try to discredit him as they did the last time.
They really don't want to hear any point of view that doesn't mirror their own. in fact they won't even tollerate it being expressed.
The community name calling / labelling in the review didn't help matters. Some things were painfully obvious that either weren't touched on or just manual read for description.
No Sieging, No Crafting, No raiding done. (if they were they weren't made very clear imo)
We need someone to actually review the whole game and not part of it. EG tortage or 2 weeks worth. To stick it out for a bit and actually see what it is like.