Software companies only have a limited amount of money, even EA is in financial trouble.
In most cases your choice is to get what you get, and get nothing at all. Trying to budget something that is going to take 3 - 5 years to make is almost imposable, so when it's time to release it's time to release.
Now, it's true there are many could that could have done so much better if they just would have added another 6 months of work. And their overall sales would probably be better.
But don't you think they know that?
And yes Blizzard, Rockstar games and perhaps BioWare will continue to make top notch stellar games, but they are the exception to the rule. They can do what they do because they can bank on so much more return for their investment than most other gaming companies.
It's all about net-profit. They have to estimate income and then make sure they spend less than that, by estimating the cost. Both estimations and keeping a project under budget are very difficult if not close to imposable to do. So give them some slack or make one yourself.
If you don't play games at launch, then why do you care what they're like at launch?
If you do play games at launch, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.
If you know a product is going to be shoddy and buy it anyway, you've got no one to blame but yourself for that. It doesn't take that much due diligence before buying a game to find out whether it's really buggy.
We all want hot chicks and corvettes but we are stuck with fat chicks and escorts.
This is horrible but I guess I will show you how your wrong.
See you think your stuck with fat chicks but your not. The catch is, you SETTLE for fat chicks. Just like people SETTLE for piss poor MMO launches.
I don't want to settle its just the only options I have I understand what your saying just read the part where I just can't muster the strength to start a revolution to the industry so I will bang fat chicks and drive escorts untill a hottie with a corvette comes along.
We all want hot chicks and corvettes but we are stuck with fat chicks and escorts.
This is horrible but I guess I will show you how your wrong.
See you think your stuck with fat chicks but your not. The catch is, you SETTLE for fat chicks. Just like people SETTLE for piss poor MMO launches.
I don't want to settle its just the only options I have I understand what your saying just read the part where I just can't muster the strength to start a revolution to the industry so I will bang fat chicks and drive escorts untill a hottie with a corvette comes along.
Good luck on the wait.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Back in the day, before downloadable content, if a company released a piss-poor game it was an instant failure and players moved on to something better.
Now, however, players have been conditioned to accept half-assed game releases as standard.
It's ok because they'll "fix them up" later.
Well, no, It's not ok. In what other industry is this acceptable? What idiot would buy a car that was just wheels and an engine, and maybe a radio, on the hope that they'd get the rest later? And before anyone tries it, yes buying a condo before it's built might be close, but it's not like you move in first and then they say they'll put in the plumbing later.
The ability to patch on the go has resulted in unfinished games being sold, and the lack of discrimination on behalf of the consumers has allowed it to continue.
Software companies only have a limited amount of money, even EA is in financial trouble.
In most cases your choice is to get what you get, and get nothing at all. Trying to budget something that is going to take 3 - 5 years to make is almost imposable, so when it's time to release it's time to release. Now, it's true there are many could that could have done so much better if they just would have added another 6 months of work. And their overall sales would probably be better. But don't you think they know that? And yes Blizzard, Rockstar games and perhaps BioWare will continue to make top notch stellar games, but they are the exception to the rule. They can do what they do because they can bank on so much more return for their investment than most other gaming companies. It's all about net-profit. They have to estimate income and then make sure they spend less than that, by estimating the cost. Both estimations and keeping a project under budget are very difficult if not close to imposable to do. So give them some slack or make one yourself.
It's far from impossible to manage budgets on this kind of project but, yeah, it is very tricky. However, a developer's financial problems are not in any way the responsibility of customers to sort out.
Naturally, developing an MMO is risky but the potential financial rewards are huge. Customers will never see these financial rewards so why should they be funding the development? The only risk a customer should be taking is whether they enjoy the game, not whether the game is even ready to play.
The implications of what you said above are that it's okay for a company that runs out of money to trick customers into funding the final development stages of a game without offering them the financial returns that a normal investor would expect. It is not. And it's not okay to waste customers' time either
It's not okay to hide that the shoes you are selling have holes in them. It's not not okay to pretend that the book you are selling doesn't have pages missing. Why should it be okay to sell a game that isn't working properly?
Welcome to world of computer gaming and technology.Video games are technology and the first adapters of most new tech are screwed ask anybody who got a i-phone,vista or PS3 the first day.You want the cool stuff quickly just know that you will have deal with bugs.Movies are bad choice to compare computer games you can't fix a movie a day later,you can fix computer game a day later and keep fixing it.You can't get actors back and reshoot the ending,you can't rewrite the script a day later for a movie
It is our fault as players for rushing to buy stuff we know is not completed.If we didn't buy Aoc or War at the beginning then game makers would wait and release it when completed.Also i blame the beta tester who play beta testing for fun instead of trying find the mistakes or reporting the mistakes and game makers for holding bad or secretive betas.
Aoc is the posterboy for this topic.People have written off Aoc but a lot of early bugs and mistakes are gone from aoc,most of content that was suppose release with the game is in the game.Aoc is not the same game that release about a year ago.Aoc is starting to live up to its potential.It can go the other way to aka SWG where great game can just be mess up by change. If you are pissed off about mmo potential don't buy games as soon as they come out wait 3 months and read up on the game make an inform choice.
Welcome to world of computer gaming and technology.Video games are technology and the first adapters of most new tech are screwed ask anybody who got a i-phone,vista or PS3 the first day.You want the cool stuff quickly just know that you will have deal with bugs.Movies are bad choice to compare computer games you can't fix a movie a day later,you can fix computer game a day later and keep fixing it.You can't get actors back and reshoot the ending,you can't rewrite the script a day later for a movie
It is our fault as players for rushing to buy stuff we know is not completed.If we didn't buy Aoc or War at the beginning then game makers would wait and release it when completed.Also i blame the beta tester who play beta testing for fun instead of trying find the mistakes or reporting the mistakes and game makers for holding bad or secretive betas.
Aoc is the posterboy for this topic.People have written off Aoc but a lot of early bugs and mistakes are gone from aoc,most of content that was suppose release with the game is in the game.Aoc is not the same game that release about a year ago.Aoc is starting to live up to its potential.It can go the other way to aka SWG where great game can just be mess up by change. If you are pissed off about mmo potential don't buy games as soon as they come out wait 3 months and read up on the game make an inform choice.
I disagree with your first paragraph, I cant comment on the I-phone but for vista and PS3 I can. Yes there were some software bugs. It was nothing major like MMO's have. I still think Movies with extreme special effects applys pretty darn well as alot of computer generated content is there. Its not just filmed.
You fail to see my main point. We as gamers should not have to wait 3 months to buy a game thats on the shelves just so they have time to fix their major issues.
EDIT: I honestly dont feel that the beta testers are the ones to blame. Ill tell you why. Its really pretty simple. The Devs are not stupid, they know they have bigger issues and thus the majority of bugs the testers report get put aside. ANY low level quest bug at release has been documented 1000x but it yet to get fixed. Why? because the devs are hurrying to rush the game out the door. (This is just my opinion).
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
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This is horrible but I guess I will show you how your wrong.
See you think your stuck with fat chicks but your not. The catch is, you SETTLE for fat chicks. Just like people SETTLE for piss poor MMO launches.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Software companies only have a limited amount of money, even EA is in financial trouble.
In most cases your choice is to get what you get, and get nothing at all. Trying to budget something that is going to take 3 - 5 years to make is almost imposable, so when it's time to release it's time to release.
Now, it's true there are many could that could have done so much better if they just would have added another 6 months of work. And their overall sales would probably be better.
But don't you think they know that?
And yes Blizzard, Rockstar games and perhaps BioWare will continue to make top notch stellar games, but they are the exception to the rule. They can do what they do because they can bank on so much more return for their investment than most other gaming companies.
It's all about net-profit. They have to estimate income and then make sure they spend less than that, by estimating the cost. Both estimations and keeping a project under budget are very difficult if not close to imposable to do. So give them some slack or make one yourself.
If you don't play games at launch, then why do you care what they're like at launch?
If you do play games at launch, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.
If you know a product is going to be shoddy and buy it anyway, you've got no one to blame but yourself for that. It doesn't take that much due diligence before buying a game to find out whether it's really buggy.
Caveat emptor.
This is horrible but I guess I will show you how your wrong.
See you think your stuck with fat chicks but your not. The catch is, you SETTLE for fat chicks. Just like people SETTLE for piss poor MMO launches.
I don't want to settle its just the only options I have
I understand what your saying just read the part where I just can't muster the strength to start a revolution to the industry so I will bang fat chicks and drive escorts untill a hottie with a corvette comes along.
This is horrible but I guess I will show you how your wrong.
See you think your stuck with fat chicks but your not. The catch is, you SETTLE for fat chicks. Just like people SETTLE for piss poor MMO launches.
I don't want to settle its just the only options I have
I understand what your saying just read the part where I just can't muster the strength to start a revolution to the industry so I will bang fat chicks and drive escorts untill a hottie with a corvette comes along.
Good luck on the wait.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Yeah, gotta go with the OP on this one.
*Puts on Old Fogy voice*
Back in the day, before downloadable content, if a company released a piss-poor game it was an instant failure and players moved on to something better.
Now, however, players have been conditioned to accept half-assed game releases as standard.
It's ok because they'll "fix them up" later.
Well, no, It's not ok. In what other industry is this acceptable? What idiot would buy a car that was just wheels and an engine, and maybe a radio, on the hope that they'd get the rest later? And before anyone tries it, yes buying a condo before it's built might be close, but it's not like you move in first and then they say they'll put in the plumbing later.
The ability to patch on the go has resulted in unfinished games being sold, and the lack of discrimination on behalf of the consumers has allowed it to continue.
It's far from impossible to manage budgets on this kind of project but, yeah, it is very tricky. However, a developer's financial problems are not in any way the responsibility of customers to sort out.
Naturally, developing an MMO is risky but the potential financial rewards are huge. Customers will never see these financial rewards so why should they be funding the development? The only risk a customer should be taking is whether they enjoy the game, not whether the game is even ready to play.
The implications of what you said above are that it's okay for a company that runs out of money to trick customers into funding the final development stages of a game without offering them the financial returns that a normal investor would expect. It is not. And it's not okay to waste customers' time either
It's not okay to hide that the shoes you are selling have holes in them. It's not not okay to pretend that the book you are selling doesn't have pages missing. Why should it be okay to sell a game that isn't working properly?
Welcome to world of computer gaming and technology.Video games are technology and the first adapters of most new tech are screwed ask anybody who got a i-phone,vista or PS3 the first day.You want the cool stuff quickly just know that you will have deal with bugs.Movies are bad choice to compare computer games you can't fix a movie a day later,you can fix computer game a day later and keep fixing it.You can't get actors back and reshoot the ending,you can't rewrite the script a day later for a movie
It is our fault as players for rushing to buy stuff we know is not completed.If we didn't buy Aoc or War at the beginning then game makers would wait and release it when completed.Also i blame the beta tester who play beta testing for fun instead of trying find the mistakes or reporting the mistakes and game makers for holding bad or secretive betas.
Aoc is the posterboy for this topic.People have written off Aoc but a lot of early bugs and mistakes are gone from aoc,most of content that was suppose release with the game is in the game.Aoc is not the same game that release about a year ago.Aoc is starting to live up to its potential.It can go the other way to aka SWG where great game can just be mess up by change. If you are pissed off about mmo potential don't buy games as soon as they come out wait 3 months and read up on the game make an inform choice.
I disagree with your first paragraph, I cant comment on the I-phone but for vista and PS3 I can. Yes there were some software bugs. It was nothing major like MMO's have. I still think Movies with extreme special effects applys pretty darn well as alot of computer generated content is there. Its not just filmed.
You fail to see my main point. We as gamers should not have to wait 3 months to buy a game thats on the shelves just so they have time to fix their major issues.
EDIT: I honestly dont feel that the beta testers are the ones to blame. Ill tell you why. Its really pretty simple. The Devs are not stupid, they know they have bigger issues and thus the majority of bugs the testers report get put aside. ANY low level quest bug at release has been documented 1000x but it yet to get fixed. Why? because the devs are hurrying to rush the game out the door. (This is just my opinion).
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI